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Title: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 07, 2010, 01:36:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElqU3ZGXoXo&feature=related

I used to drool over these girls when I was a kid in the late 70's.  Always loved that white T-Bird on the cover of their Live In Japan record.  Looks like Jackie is playing a Thunderbird II on this video.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/r08tg3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 07, 2010, 04:51:32 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ezilnt.jpg)
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 08, 2010, 09:43:20 AM
Cherie obviously was greatly influenced by the choreography of the ABBA girls, Agnetha and Annafrid.  :mrgreen:

Has anybody seen the movie yet with Dakota Fanning as Cherie? Or hasn't that been screened yet?

FWIW: Jackie accidentally broke her TBird while in Japan, had a fit and flew home, never to return.  Enduring psychological harm was done though as her choice study subject would later evidence: law. She became an entertainment law specialist.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: OldManC on March 08, 2010, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: uwe on March 08, 2010, 09:43:20 AM
FWIW: Jackie accidentally broke her TBird while in Japan, had a fit and flew home, never to return.  Enduring psychological harm was done though as her choice study subject would later evidence: law. She became an entertainment law specialist.

She has said that the last straw for her was finding out their instruments had not been insured by management for the tour. I know some of her family and have corresponded with her a little bit. She seems pretty cool and is still a rocker at heart.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: lowend1 on March 08, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: Hörnisse on March 07, 2010, 01:36:11 PM

I used to drool over these girls when I was a kid in the late 70's.  Always loved that white T-Bird on the cover of their Live In Japan record.  Looks like Jackie is playing a Thunderbird II on this video.

Bicentennial birdie, resplendent in natural finish.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: lowend1 on March 08, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Quote from: uwe on March 08, 2010, 09:43:20 AMEnduring psychological harm was done though as her choice study subject would later evidence: law. She became an entertainment law specialist.

Damn bassplaying lawyers!
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Denis on March 08, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
I've always had the hots for Micki Steele.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Highlander on March 10, 2010, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: lowend1 on March 08, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Damn bassplaying lawyers!

I've noticed that they appear a bit obsessive, too...  ;)
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 10, 2010, 06:15:30 PM
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts performed Cherry Bomb on Jay Leno last night.  Sounded great.  What kind of 'Bird was her bass player using though?  Joan still looks great!

http://www.spin.com/articles/joan-jett-plays-runaways-cherry-bomb
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Dave W on March 10, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
Didn't Cherie Currie do the lead vocal on the original?
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: gweimer on March 10, 2010, 06:36:09 PM
I've seen a trailer for the movie that basically features the make-up.  Dakota is no little girl anymore.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 10, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: Dave W on March 10, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
Didn't Cherie Currie do the lead vocal on the original?

You are correct sir! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMDn6V7ZLhE&feature=PlayList&p=6A2C9A87D36A8789&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=27
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: OldManC on March 10, 2010, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: Dave W on March 10, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
Didn't Cherie Currie do the lead vocal on the original?

She did but they also re-recorded it with Joan singing some time after Cherie left.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on March 10, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
I saw the last 2/3's of Joan Jett's performance last night. She was pretty good, though the mix was just a tad more sedate than I'd like. The bass player was using a Fenderbird through two SVT VR stacks. My band used to cover "Cherry Bomb," which was funny because we were all a bunch of ugly redneck guys with absolutely NO qualities of the song's object.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: gearHed289 on March 11, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
Cool seein a Fenderbird on TV!
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: angrymatt on March 13, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
I saw Joan Jett last fall.  I think bass was playing a white t-bird that night.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Chaser001 on March 19, 2010, 06:36:02 AM
Here is an article about the legal battle going on.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10144921
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: godofthunder on March 19, 2010, 07:05:17 AM
Bass players revenge ! It will be interesting to see how this shakes out  :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Chaser001 on March 19, 2010, 08:12:11 AM
Although I actually do like Joan Jett, based on what I'm seeing so far, I think I'd have to side with Jackie Fox on this one. 
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Dr. Aquafresh on March 19, 2010, 09:37:59 PM
I always thought Cherry Bomb sounded more like

J-J-J-J-J-J-J-JHERI CURL!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Dave W on March 19, 2010, 10:38:51 PM
That article was obviously written by someone who hasn't a clue about the band's history. I mean, if you don't understand the roles of Jackie Fox and Lita Ford, you have no business writing the article.

And to repeat Jett's absurd claim in her lawsuit ("Fuchs tried to have the ... film halted, and has demanded to see the script, even though there is no character based on her,") without comment is not something a real journalist does. The fact that the movie has no character based on her despite her being an important part of the band's history is the whole point of Jackie Fox's efforts.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 20, 2010, 09:05:49 AM
I find it amazing that they are still bitching with each other more than three decades after the fact.

Then again I'm not surprised at all - wimmin!  :mrgreen:

Uwe
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Nocturnal on March 20, 2010, 10:16:32 AM
I read a short article with Lita Ford the other day and she said that she had no input at all into the story. She was blaming Joan's manager for any problems between the two. She said Joan's manager offered to buy her life story for $1000 and that she wouldn't even respond to it. She claims that she has no issue's at all with Joan, but hates Joan's manager with a passion.

I finally saw a preview of the movie the other nite and It's obvious that it's going to focus mostly on Joan Jett. I don't care either way how the movie works out who was the "star" in the band, but it should be about the "band" not just one or two people in it.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: nofi on March 20, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
you mean kenny laguna. i have heard some not so nice things about that guy.

wiki says he used to be a Shondell. ;D
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 20, 2010, 01:11:39 PM
The movie was released yesterday!
Saw REPO MEN last night cuz I got to the theater a little too late for the last showing of RUNAWAYS.
I'll go see it tonight!!!!!

I feel for the Foxy Lady, but she quit the band! so F**k her.  >:(
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Dave W on March 20, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 20, 2010, 01:11:39 PM
I feel for the Foxy Lady, but she quit the band! so F**k her.  >:(

Even though she quit, even if you never liked her, she was the bassist for the band when they had their first hits and became famous. She and Lita Ford are essential to the band's history, and if you leave them out, what's left is a lie.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Chaser001 on March 20, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
I was actually looking forward to seeing the movie, especially since it has been a while since I've seen one.  But now that I see how they are so deliberately shunning Jackie Fox and even suing her before the movie was made, I'll not waste my time with this movie.  I'm not interested in watching a movie which deliberately re-writes the history of a band.  So, screw this.  I wasn't asking for a documentary, but having a fictional character for the bassist in the movie is absurd. 
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 21, 2010, 12:36:08 AM
Quote from: gweimer on March 10, 2010, 06:36:09 PM
 Dakota is no little girl anymore.

Ain't THAT the Truth!

Saw RUNAWAYS tonight & it captures the excitement of putting a band together pretty good & attaining 15 minutes of FAME.
It's based on the book by Cherie Curry,that I read a looooong time ago, so it's Dakota's vehicle but the chick from Twilight, Kirsten Stewart, does a bang up job portraying Joan too!!
Joan is Executive Producer too!!
Yeah~ I think it's wrong that they snubbed Jackie Fox so bad.
Otherwise, it's worth seeing!!! Hubba hubba
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Chaser001 on March 21, 2010, 05:48:54 AM
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 21, 2010, 12:36:08 AM
Ain't THAT the Truth!

Saw RUNAWAYS tonight & it captures the excitement of putting a band together pretty good & attaining 15 minutes of FAME.
It's based on the book by Cherie Curry,that I read a looooong time ago, so it's Dakota's vehicle but the chick from Twilight, Kirsten Stewart, does a bang up job portraying Joan too!!
Joan is Executive Producer too!!
Yeah~ I think it's wrong that they snubbed Jackie Fox so bad.
Otherwise, it's worth seeing!!! Hubba hubba


Since you put it that way, it does sound interesting. 
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 21, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
The Runaways LP's are starting to command a high price now that the movie is out.  Wonder how much this sealed copy will go for?  I knew I should have bought it when it was in the cutout bin..... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/CRANIUMS-The-Runaways-S-T-1ST-Lp-SEALED-Joan-Jett_W0QQitemZ110507610397QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item19bac4511d
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Chaser001 on March 21, 2010, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: Hörnisse on March 21, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
The Runaways LP's are starting to command a high price now that the movie is out.  Wonder how much this sealed copy will go for?  I knew I should have bought it when it was in the cutout bin..... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/CRANIUMS-The-Runaways-S-T-1ST-Lp-SEALED-Joan-Jett_W0QQitemZ110507610397QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item19bac4511d

Even a used copy just like that is being sold on Amazon for $75.  If I had a copy, I'd definitely be trying to sell it right now while the attention is on the Runaways. 
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: OldManC on March 21, 2010, 06:22:05 PM
Too bad I gave away my Runaways albums 25 years ago. Not like I wanted to listen to them...  ;D
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 22, 2010, 10:18:30 AM
What George says. Nostalgia shouldn't get us carried away, listening to the first two Runaways albums is like watching a bad B or C movie. Cherie couldn't sing and had a nasal and shrill tone to her voice, what little warmth there sometimes was in the vocals generally came from Joan Jett (to this day not a very good singer herself), Joan looked sulky amd played workmanlike rhythm guitar with none of Keith Richards' grace, Sandy was a competent drummer, but totally stiff and leaden, Jackie played bass like you play bass when the instrument has been thrusted on you for only a little while and Lita ripped off every hard rock lick she had ever heard before with no taste or measure, she should be blamed for inventing shredding really!  :mrgreen: That extended solo of her on the Queens of Noise album is like a hard rock guitar solo must sound to people who don't like hard rock guitar solos or hard rock, period. Seemingly, she didn't like it herself, she certainly moans a lot during it.  8)

Had the Runaways been guys, they would have never seen the inside of a recording studio with their chops and talent, even the first Kiss album was more musical. If you take, say, the first Ramones album or the early Dictators stuff, the first Starz album or the first and only album of those other Kim Fowley protegees The Hollywood Stars (why hasn't that been released on CD yet, it's a glam/AOR classic?),

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZNPLfbw0gtg/RmP61FJYqZI/AAAAAAAAAOk/e7NOztPAt1I/s320/Hollywood-Stars-LP.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auuvBHB5Qmk


all of which came out pretty much at the same time as the Runaways debut, then there is just no comparison of the at best charmingly pedestrian rock of the Runaways to those other bands.

That said, I'll watch the movie and do give my Runaways CDs a spin once in a while, they are period pieces and draw a smile on my face. But they wouldn't be among my lonely desert island discs. To those other bands, The Runaways were what The Shangrilas were to The Supremes.

Uwe
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Stjofön Big on March 22, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
I second that (e)motion. Well, I guess you can count Smokey Robinson in there, too.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 22, 2010, 05:21:13 PM
When I was 15 I didn't care if Cherie could sing or not!  ;D
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: OldManC on March 22, 2010, 06:55:48 PM
Gotta post this to get the bad taste out of my mouth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cE8bIwBb4s

I've heard that before but I forgot how bad it was. It could all be Bob Ezrin, but KISS' version still kills the original (delivery, timing and phrasing, the bass line, the guitar parts, even Pete's drumming)!
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 22, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
Neither did I. She was the first Victoria's Secret model I laid eyes upon. Still, even then my hormones did not fool me into believing the Runaways were actually musically valuable.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 24, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: OldManC on March 22, 2010, 06:55:48 PM
Gotta post this to get the bad taste out of my mouth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cE8bIwBb4s

I've heard that before but I forgot how bad it was. It could all be Bob Ezrin, but KISS' version still kills the original (delivery, timing and phrasing, the bass line, the guitar parts, even Pete's drumming)!

Oh come on George, the original is much more lively, looser (in a good way) and not as stilted/rigid as the Kiss version which I still like. As usual, Paul overdoes it, there is no different shades in his voice, it's all done in that one over-dramatic tone. Gene should have sung it.
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: uwe on March 24, 2010, 07:29:39 PM
Some eye candy for Fräulein Rommel:


(http://www.gibson.com/Files/aaFeaturesImages2010/joan-jett_interview1.jpg)

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/joan-jett-0323/
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on March 24, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
Joan Jett's best work was playing a bad guy on the Highlander TV show. Yeah, "I love Rock and Roll," and "I Hate Myself for Loving You" are total classics, but for all her indie poser street cred, what else is there? Lita, even without her many erection-inducing posters and album covers, played some kickass music. "Kiss Me Deadly" and her duet with Ozzy, "Close my Eyes Forever," is a haunting master of an 80's metal ballad done to perfection, and she could totally kick Joan's ass if it ever came down to it.

Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: lowend1 on March 24, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: uwe on March 24, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
Oh come on George, the original is much more lively, looser (in a good way) and not as stilted/rigid as the Kiss version which I still like. As usual, Paul overdoes it, there is no different shades in his voice, it's all done in that one over-dramatic tone. Gene should have sung it.

What? After Ezrin ripped "God Of Thunder" from Paul's bosom and handed it to ol' Chaim? That would have been too much for him to bear...
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: lowend1 on March 24, 2010, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: Psycho Bass Guy on March 24, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
Joan Jett's best work was playing a bad guy on the Highlander TV show. Yeah, "I love Rock and Roll," and "I Hate Myself for Loving You" are total classics, but for all her indie poser street cred, what else is there? Lita, even without her many erection-inducing posters and album covers, played some kickass music. "Kiss Me Deadly" and her duet with Ozzy, "Close my Eyes Forever," is a haunting master of an 80's metal ballad done to perfection, and she could totally kick Joan's ass if it ever came down to it.
Note the Gibson bass plunked in an acceptable fashion by David St. Hubbins, er, Lenny, er Michael McKean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0Aa4czyLs
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Hornisse on March 24, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AT_Pbtyid0

At least on the original track by The Arrows the bassist knew Gibson basses were the best. :)
Title: Re: The Runaways
Post by: Dave W on March 24, 2010, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Hörnisse on March 24, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
At least on the original track by The Arrows the bassist knew Gibson basses were the best. :)

True. Too bad most Americans never heard of them.