I'm pretty sure that this is not for everyone here but when Joey Demaio was mentioned in other topics people kept asking why he has this insane close string spacing on his basses, well, here's why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSYrTKXLYH0
I just hate unacompanied solos. I just dont like out right wankery solos no matter what instrument.'
This coming from a Kahler user.
Does the same on a Ric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNqEq6y7-Wo&feature=related
And speaking of Manowar...
http://metalinquisition.blogspot.com/2009/02/metal-inquisition-investigative-report_20.html
This article left me feeling a little depressed, and I'm not even a fan!
Quote from: OldManC on April 07, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
And speaking of Manowar...
http://metalinquisition.blogspot.com/2009/02/metal-inquisition-investigative-report_20.html
This article left me feeling a little depressed, and I'm not even a fan!
T'ch these are the same people who are calling He-man a "figure head of gay culture" based on what little he wears.
(http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/he-man-movie.jpg)
But when you watch the episodes you'll see that he's quite the ladies man and is constantly flirting with the Captain of the guard Teela and even had an adventure with a sorceress called "Castaspella"
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/robster001/He-man/Teela.jpg)
Teela
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8011/castaspella2hh8.jpg)
Castaspella
Same with Manowar, they depict themselves as barbaric Warriors but that doesn't mean that they're gay. Not at all when you see how many women it has granted them bedtime with in the duration of their existence.
My guess is that people who write articles like that are just jealous, Manowar's members have finely toned bodies and they get all the ladies and make a fortune, what's not to envy about that?
Quote from: Blazer on April 07, 2009, 09:07:22 PM
T'ch these are the same people who are calling He-man a "figure head of gay culture" based on what little he wears.
...
But when you watch the episodes you'll see that he's quite the ladies man and is constantly flirting with the Captain of the guard Teela and even had an adventure with a sorceress called "Castaspella"...
Same with Manowar, they depict themselves as barbaric Warriors but that doesn't mean that they're gay. Not at all when you see how many women it has granted them bedtime with in the duration of their existence.
My guess is that people who write articles like that are just jealous, Manowar's members have finely toned bodies and they get all the ladies and make a fortune, what's not to envy about that?
As for He-man, you're right, but for the wrong reason. He's
not not gay because he has a hot cartoon girlfriend. He's
not not gay because
he's a cartoon... Maybe the acerbic nature of the humor in that article got past you, Blazer, but the whole point of that series of articles they're doing is that a lot of the metal heroes from the 80's made quite a lot less than a 'fortune'.
Joey lives in his parents' basement, I'm thinking that probably means he doesn't have a fortune, and I'm even more sure he's
not bedding a series of fine ladies down there either. :mrgreen:
Is he using piccolo string? doesn't sound like a bass at all...
It is played fast but very sloppy, doesn't make any sense to me.
I used like manowar when I was 13 or so.
Quote from: barend on April 08, 2009, 02:18:42 AM
Is he using piccolo string? doesn't sound like a bass at all...
It is played fast but very sloppy, doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes. Sounds like another failed geetar player that picked up bass and trying to be in the spotlight by wanking.
Quote from: barend on April 08, 2009, 02:18:42 AM
I used like manowar when I was 13 or so.
Well, that was in the past, right? :D
Somehow, I did not expect Manowar to live in mansions. And that is not because I think they don't deserve it, but I always imagined them to work hard to make a living. They have a batch of sell-out concerts in Europe every few years, but after all the expenses how much of that is gonna end up in their pockets? And for a band of their dwindling CD sales, they certainly don't hesitate to spend money in their shows. They are probably also indebted as hell to record companies.
Actually, I found the report kind of touching (in a John Steinbeck "Of Maios and Men" way) and credibility-enhancing for Manowar. Joey DePlumbio lives a suburban life and he gets (just) by like millions of others (as long as nothing financially demanding hits him that is) in America or elsewhere, most Manowar fans included. His stage persona is therefore pure undiluted escapism, mabe that is why Manowar have such fervent devoted fans, they can relate with each other.
"My guess is that people who write articles like that are just jealous, Manowar's members have finely toned bodies and they get all the ladies and make a fortune, what's not to envy about that?"
Don't be so verdammt naive, Blazer! :mrgreen: And you sound like someone whose appreciation of Manowar would suffer if (i) Joey was gay, (ii) lived with his mom and pop, (iii) went to Catholic masses rather than practicing heathen rites with nordic idols and (iv) interspersed his strict work-out regime with visits to the local supermarket looking for the bargains. In fact, none of that taints anything Manowar have done. And I'm not a fan either.
Uwe
I couldn't get past about 2 mins of either clip but I gotta admit it was massively more interesting than a Michael Anthony solo.
Death to false bass playing!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
It's sloppy. Rhythmically inaccurate. Joey, you should listen to Flight of the Bumblebee again and keep the click track running this time. Any shredding 14 year old guitarist can do better. And pointless. It's not bass he's playing. As a bass player he is unimaginative, I've never heard him play a single melodic run with Manowar, even Ian Hill of Judas Priest does that (once or twice in a concert! :mrgreen: ), let's not even mention Steve Harris. For someone who was once the bass tech of the great Geezer Butler (he'd have a much nicer house if he had stayed that and he wouldn't have kidnapped poor old Ross the Boss from The Dictators to stick him in loincloths either), DeMaio's bass playing is just sad.
So you're saying the clips do more to damage Joey's rep than the 'exposé' does? :mrgreen:
Quote from: uwe on April 08, 2009, 05:09:30 AMIn fact, none of that taints anything Manowar have done.
I agree, Uwe, and I would love to be able to be an honest to goodness rock star for a few weeks every year out of my otherwise very normal existence, even if it didn't mean any money was coming out of the deal.
Sloppy inacurate what ever, there are few wankery unacompanied solos I can sit through, reguardless of how brilliant hey are. Even Victor Wooten leaves me cold as amazing as he is, that coming from a Prog rock fusion fan. Probably the ADHD in me.
Drum or bass soo time, Time to go get a beer or take a Piss, text your mom.
Quote from: Blazer on April 07, 2009, 02:25:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that this is not for everyone here but when Joey Demaio was mentioned in other topics people kept asking why he has this insane close string spacing on his basses, well, here's why.
Wow, you're right it's not for me...................Being a "Bass Player", well that performance just runs counter to my thinking about what to do with the instrument, which is generally to work the *money frets* and support the song.
Quote from: TBird1958 on April 08, 2009, 10:04:50 AM
Wow, you're right it's not for me...................Being a "Bass Player", well that performance just runs counter to my thinking about what to do with the instrument, which is generally to work the *money frets* and support the song.
that's the way us amateur hacks roll! ;D
I must agree with Uwe and the rest of you folks!. What a boring solo! But this brings me to a favourite of mine, concerning bass solos, The Zombies and She's not there. Effective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdrDu9nq7Q
If you don't have the time, just go fast to 0:38. It's less then 2 seconds, but it's what's needed! Isn't that a Eb0, too? And we haven't even mentioned My ge-ge-generation. Yet!
I am with Stjofon. I think it is an EB3, but frankly, that is as good as it gets.
My GenGenne,etc. was a Fender Jazz. But one of those early big bass things was an EB for the Who.
Quote from: Stjofön Big on April 08, 2009, 12:07:39 PM
I must agree with Uwe and the rest of you folks!. What a boring solo! But this brings me to a favourite of mine, concerning bass solos, The Zombies and She's not there. Effective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdrDu9nq7Q
If you don't have the time, just go fast to 0:38. It's less then 2 seconds, but it's what's needed! Isn't that a Eb0, too? And we haven't even mentioned My ge-ge-generation. Yet!
Nice!
Quote from: Stjofön Big on April 08, 2009, 12:07:39 PM
I must agree with Uwe and the rest of you folks!. What a boring solo! But this brings me to a favourite of mine, concerning bass solos, The Zombies and She's not there. Effective.
Perfect! I'll take that over Victor Wooten any day. No offense, he seems like a nice guy and all, but.... :bored:
Quote from: Blazer on April 07, 2009, 02:25:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that this is not for everyone here but when Joey Demaio was mentioned in other topics people kept asking why he has this insane close string spacing on his basses, well, here's why.
Yeesh! I made it through 2 1/2 minutes. That instrument does NOT qualify as a bass. Joey, get yourself a good old guitar and wank away to your hearts content!
Every time I hear the words "Bass" and "Solo" used in the same sentence it just sends me cold...
Is there anyone here that is not aware of Mark King's musical joke...? it is well known in the UK... the one about the English explorer who is driven nuts by the incessant drums playing in the jungle, night after night, who asks the natives when the drumming will stop...?
"Drums must never stop sir, they must never stop..."
... and after a week, they suddenly stop and all the natives run screaming from the jungle...! The explore manages to catch one of the terrified natives and begs him to tell him why he is so scared...?
"After drums comes bass solo...!"
Ho-Ho!!! Now, that's a good one! No wonder the natives were terrified...
Enough is enough, I have to come up in defense of bass solos. They can be music. You just need some notes and a little delay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA
That is bass playing to me.
Context is everything. There's nothing wrong with bass solos as long as they are in context and not just an unconnected wankfest. Poorly/badly played ones.....well, thats a different story.
Quote from: uwe on April 09, 2009, 02:04:50 AM
Enough is enough, I have to come up in defense of bass solos. They can be music. You just need some notes and a little delay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA
That is bass playing to me.
That is not bass playing. First of all, it has PJ pickups on it! ;D
True, admittedly. But before he went to the Dark Side he did play Rics. And to his further credit: With something that looked like a mudbucker though he sure didn't sound like it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DmD9dV9G4Q&feature=related
doing some research i found that manowar has sold 10 million albums to date. not bad at all for a band most people have never heard of and really good for a metal band. however, stetched over 20 plus years there is not much money to go around.
the story was depressing to say the least and probably many more recognized bands share the manowar 'lifestyle' to some degree.
About that Kraan video; you gotta admire them for getting such awful sounds out of very good equipment. That guitar sounds like a squeezed cat.
Watching it is nerve wrecking experience if you ask me...
I think having a whammy bar on your bass makes up for the Fender pups, which most of you know I have no problem with if they are not hacked into a Gibson bass. And he plays with a pick. Good going there, considering his past life as a good reason to destroy every King Crimson and Yes record ever made for the hideous influence.
Heh, funny how a discussion about bass solos is a double edged sword. On this board, doing a solo is considered wanking but the solo of John Entwistle in "My Generation" is considered to be something sacred.
Anyway here's a couple more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeEiEg1zWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx1RccwlF5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gyVSNWXoJs
"That guitar sounds like a squeezed cat."
Now ain't that what anyone would call a great metaphor! More of the same ammunition!
By the way, tonight I'm gonna go to a local pub to listen to one of my favourite bands from the 70's. Ducks Deluxe is on the plate. Swollow with a lot of beer (Doctors order). Anyone remembers The Ducks? Anybody guess there's gonna be bass solos? Probably not (concerning the bass)
Anyone remember the SNL "bass-off" skit with Jack Black and Will Ferrell?
Not everyone has the same vision as I do of what the bass' role should be. If someone wants to be a soloist, more power to him. However, that doesn't mean I have to like it, or to consider someone else a "star" because he does bass solos. Most of the solo bass I hear is simply music I don't like. YMMV.
I remember "The Duck's", Stjofon, great live act... It really surprises me how many of these "missed the big-time" bands are still rolling round the circuit - enjoy the gig, AND the brews... ;D
Quote from: Blazer on April 09, 2009, 08:47:00 AM
Heh, funny how a discussion about bass solos is a double edged sword. On this board, doing a solo is considered wanking but the solo of John Entwistle in "My Generation" is considered to be something sacred.
Anyway here's a couple more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeEiEg1zWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx1RccwlF5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gyVSNWXoJs
Sorry but, :puke:
Somebody should have stopped Stu Hamm from wearing that FUGLY shirt in public :o - most often my wife and daughter refuse to leave the house if they don't approve of my garb. :P Oh, and I didn't like his solo either. :bored:
Didn't care for Manring as well. :bored:
Bass is a RHYTHM instrument - or so my mama pointed out to me when I told her I wanted to play bass ;)
A tasteful solo or break is fine by me if it helps the song - if not - well I say "wankfest" YOMV ;D Quite honestly I don't care for any extended solos - period. The drum solo always told me it was time to hit the loo, buy a T-shirt or head for the bar :)
That's one reason I play Thunderbirds....................I don't solo, upper register access is overrated ;)
QuoteOn this board, doing a solo is considered wanking but the solo of John Entwistle in "My Generation" is considered to be something sacred.
Great point, as I love fusion, prog & solos, but even in jazz, unaccompanied long solos suck, that goes for any genre.
The thing with JE & My Generation is the solos are very short and ADD TO A SONG. Not just him getting up there and masturbating or playing as fast as he can. That is pure self indulgence, that 99% of the population are bored by, drums solos bass solos any solos, suck 99% of the time. The only drummers I have enjoyed solos by was Buddy Rich & Bill Bruford. I love fusion and very few unaccompanied solos I enjoy.
Their lies the difference to me an accompanied solo means their should be an interaction with something other than your penis.
Masturbation is masturbation weather it be fast & furious or loosy goosey sloppy.
Michael Manring is amazing, as is Steve Lawson. To me they are not masturbating, but creating huge soundscapes that are enjoyable to listen to. Also they typically use loops behind what they are doing so it never crosses that "look at me" thing.
Billy Sheehan has discovered this as well. When I saw him with Steve Vai, he stole the show. Why?
Because is solos were really short and ALWAYS accompanied by the drummer. They were also more song structured solos, rather than masterbatatory, like Steve Via did the whole night with a fan blowing his hair gently away from his face.
Just my opinion, everyone has one her you know?
Now this is how to do a long bass solo in my opinion (actually he's just playing one of his songs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bG8hwZ9Bo
Well said John.
That Billy Sheehan piece was indeed the way to do a solo :)
I'm not a real self indulgent solo type myself, but I do like to show off. What works best for me is loading up a bunch of good licks and just taking an accompanied lead or a short unaccompanied solo break type of thing that is congruent to the song. Along the lines of the "My Generation " bit.
There is an art to constructing a good solo and most musicians , no matter how good they are, aren't that good at constructing a good solo.
Some required listening on this subject would be Oscar Peterson with The Trio. Oscar will do something like a good left hand chop to get your attention and then add to it just enough to get your attention a little more, and make you wonder if he's still using just his left hand or has he added the right hand in to help work the left side of the piano. He draws you in and you start listening a little harder to all that he is accomplishing on the left side. He keeps the left hand going, and the the right hand starts up on the right side of the piano and he builds it the same way. Constantly drawing you in more and more as you wonder just exactly how many hands this freaking guy has got. :o Joe Pass did the same thing on guitar.
BTW: It helps an awful lot if you're really good.......and if you're not, you should probably think a little harder about taking a solo ;)
Rick
I was never big on Sheehan but that solo is awesome.
All right, all of you who've been waiting eagerly for a report on the Ducks. Only Sean Tyla, and Martin Belmont, twe two guitarists, remain in the band. Their music concists of the regular pub rock style, the crossroad where Dylan meets rock, blues and melodic pop, and is absolutely right for a pint. Though I started off with coffe and cognac, and then turned to beer. Lot's of laughs, lots of friends I haven't seen in a long time. All gathered round for the sake of Ducks Deluxe, and their songs about a dreamed-up rock'n'roll lifestyle in the USA 35 years ago, before punk rock.
Nice band, nice songs, nice solos, though no bass solos. ;D
Martin Belmont played his sonic blue Strat, with a sound belonging in a bathroom. Concerning the fact that he wore a Hawaii shirt, the idea didn't seem all wrong. Sean Tyla, dressed in baggy black, looked like an angry car mechanics, with his red Gretsch turning out a simple form of power chords. The rhythm section did their job, bass player Kevin Foster played through an Ampeg cabinet, the size of a smaller barndoor. He, Belmont, and drummer Jim Russell usually plays in Los Pistoleros in London. You'll find them here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5S9CL-Z59ESo I took the opportunity to bring the guys a burnt copy of the instrumental tune Pistoleros, by Swedish band The Shanes, from 1963. The Shanes were from our countrys most northern town, Kiruna, in the mining districts. All their early tunes had titles like Pistoleros, Gunfight Saloon, Tin Star, and such. They still exist, in the form of a dance band. Here you have them with the two original guitar players on each side of the band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQuZA--DeKQ The drummer has turned to congas nowadays, but the bass player is still standing.