Besides playing bass for a rock band, I've gotten very much into surf guitar.
I'm playing an SX SJM-62 in sunburst, originally had 2 P90s. I replaced the bridge pickup with a P90 sized humbucker because the bridge pickup had lower output then the neck PU. Plus the constant buzz of feedback was becoming unbearable. I know humbuckers aren't the best for surf, but I'm fine with it. I've got a danelectro reverb pedal, which is the best I can do in light of my own fiscal responsibility. Going to have the guitar refinnished in seafoam green or daphne blue, and replace the rosewood neck with a maple. Basically, I'm working on technique. Anyone with any tips?
I've also been listening to Dick Dale, The Ventures, The Beach Boys, Butthole Surfers, and finding new and great surf bands all the time, and there is a local band called the Hodaddys that I've been checking out. Spending some time at the beach has been a little helpful too.
What kind of strings do surf players use? 10s? 11s? I've been looking everywhere and can't find much information. And I know that surf is mainly notes, but is there any standard of chords used? Is it just majors and minors and sevenths? And what about scales?
And if you have a guitar or bass in surf colors, lets see 'em!
I had been thinking about posting a topic somewhere about surf music. For some reason which I can't even quite explain, this is beginning to seem kind of intriguing to me. Actually, I'm not really very interested in guitars, but I'm definitely interested in the role of bass in surf music. As for surf music itself, I'm mostly just familiar with the Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, and the Ventures of course. I'd be interested into delving into it deeper, though.
Hendrix said "You will never hear Surf Music again".
Was he lamenting or saying that his wild Acid Rock made it obsolete? Not sure.
Keith Moon loved the Beach Boys & so do I:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo
Hawaii 5 -O always makes me happy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG0Jt-gWArw&feature=related
Don't know technicalities, I play by ear.
I do know that Fender Twins were designed in the 50s for Dick Dale.
Dick Dale is comin' to briXton's--a cool lil club on the Redondo pier!
His son's band is opening. How coool is that?
While bass is concerned, I never pay enough attention because I'm always tracking the guitar. Surf is the only style I actual do that...
But I'm trying to pay attention to all the instruments. Drums included.
Hey RnB, you mentioning Keith Moon reminds me of him and the rest of the Who singing Barbra Ann I saw in a documentary, I'll try to find it.
Ah here it is. Pete's face is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d6mj7PG9qA
And as much as I love Hendrix, he is so wrong. I hear it all the time 8)
I love the whole surf thing, I'm doing as much research into it. I find playing the modern alternative music I play with my "jamming" band (a 3 days grace sound...I don't like it...) and the fact that the singer never shows to practice the perfect reasons to go instrumental and do a west coast Florida surf band.
I was in a surf band called Formica, just guitar, bass and drums. I played a Fender Bass VI, busy lines to fill the gaps, without rhythm guitar or organ. It also looked the part.
We had a few originals but mainly we covered Dick Dale, Link Wray, Junior Brown, Laika and the Cosmonauts, Red Elvises, The Penetrators, the Ventures, Reverend Horton Heat, Sandblasters, Los Straightjackets, our favorites were the Phantom Surfers.
The Who: I believe they asked the The Kids Are Alright documentary maker Jeff Stein which song he wanted to hear and he requested this:)
I love Pete's duckwalk too!!! Brilliant!
Didn't they do this song on the Live At Killburn DVD too?
I can watch a whole Who concert or DVD by only looking at Pete's face. On The Isle Of Wight he does Acid Queen and within seconds he IS the acid queen. Almost frightening. There's a moment on Killburn were he looks like he could kill someone at any moment, just before starting to laugh. I love that guy.
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 13, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
Hendrix said "You will never hear Surf Music again".
Was he lamenting or saying that his wild Acid Rock made it obsolete? Not sure.
No he was referring to the fact that Dick Dale was hospitalized because of Rectal Cancer and it wasn't sure if he would make it. Hendrix saluted Dale by saying that.
Quote from: Blazer on March 14, 2009, 05:11:53 AM
No he was referring to the fact that Dick Dale was hospitalized because of Rectal Cancer and it wasn't sure if he would make it. Hendrix saluted Dale by saying that.
Wow~ You learn something new every day here at the Last Bass Outpost. :D
DD & SRV~Pipeline!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52FpuqD3W5M
Quote from: Blazer on March 14, 2009, 05:11:53 AM
No he was referring to the fact that Dick Dale was hospitalized because of Rectal Cancer and it wasn't sure if he would make it. Hendrix saluted Dale by saying that.
I seriously doubt that Hendrix ever said that. Sometimes you guys are really gullible. Dick Dale is an extreme self-promoter. Don't believe it unless you can produce a contemporary account of it.
Like Link Wray, you can't believe much beyond the vital statistics and discography. Most of it is exaggeration and outright fantasy.
Dick Dale was little known outside Southern California. He never had a chart hit. I doubt seriously that Hendrix ever considered himself a "disciple," as Dale claims, and I seriously doubt Dale's claims about the Fender Showman.
Whether Jimi said anything of the sort is not the purpose of this topic. Lets just get back to surf...
:P
I've read that most surf guitarists use heavy strings, 12s, 13s, I've even read that Dick Dale uses 16s. Can't say if this is absolutely true. I think my next set will be some 12s, and flatwound. I've never used lighter then 10s, and I've tried 11s.
I've thought about it very hard, and I love the Cali/west coast beach type surf, but I think I'd like to stray from that a little bit.
I grew up on the Jersey shore, and I think a little darker surf, with lots of reverb, and a little overdrive crunch is what I'm thinking. While tube amps, reverb tanks, and Fender guitars were the order of the day for surf music, its what? 50 years later? I'd like to do something a little different. Maybe tuning the guitar down to a baritone too.
btw the butthole surfers are not a surf band, although that may have been an interesting concept. i thought i would beat blazer to the punch. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Dave W on March 14, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
I seriously doubt that Hendrix ever said that. Sometimes you guys are really gullible. Dick Dale is an extreme self-promoter. Don't believe it unless you can produce a contemporary account of it.
Here you go.
Third stone from the sunhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCeD2CdIWg
Starfleet to scoutship, please give your position, Over.
I'm in orbit around the third planet from the star called
the sun. Over.
You mean its the earth? Over.
Positive. It is known to have some form of intelligent
species. Over.
I think we should take a look.
Strange beautiful grass of green,
With your majestic silver seas
Your mysterious mountains I wish to see closer
May I land my kinky machine
Strange beautiful grass of green,
With your majestic silver seas
Your mysterious mountains I wish to see closer
May I land my kinky machine
Although your world wonders me,
With your majestic and superior cackling hen
Your people I do not understand,
So to you I shall put an end
And you'll
Never hear
Surf music again
Secret
Oh, secret
Oh
Shhhh...
Puh-leeze. :rolleyes:
When did Hendrix ever say this? And if you can find out when and where, tell us, did he say this was in tribute to Dick Dale? And for that matter, can you find any contemporary account of Dick Dale being hospitalized with rectal cancer back then?
Wikipedia and Dick Dale's fansites don't count.
Quote from: pbrocker56 on March 14, 2009, 02:48:19 PM
Whether Jimi said anything of the sort is not the purpose of this topic. Lets just get back to surf...
:P
Trust me, the administrator allows drifts off topic. ;D
Quote from: nofi on March 14, 2009, 03:01:40 PM
btw the butthole surfers are not a surf band, although that may have been an interesting concept. i thought i would beat blazer to the punch. :mrgreen:
Now you tell us! :mrgreen:
Quote from: Dave W on March 14, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
Puh-leeze. :rolleyes:
When did Hendrix ever say this? And if you can find out when and where, tell us, did he say this was in tribute to Dick Dale? And for that matter, can you find any contemporary account of Dick Dale being hospitalized with rectal cancer back then?
Wikipedia and Dick Dale's fansites don't count.
Rolling Stone.
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/dickdale/biography
Biographybase
http://www.biographybase.com/biography/Dale_Dick.html
BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/artists/d/dickdale/
Enough proof for you?
To get back on topic here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8__EwAT8VM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBLHTq390k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skNm21yMMpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIU0RMV_II8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFxCI0RyTo
dale has also stated that he has no musical influences. none, zip nada. he is a total original. :o that's patent bullshit because everyone is influenced by someone or something whether they are aware of it or not.
Quote from: Blazer on March 14, 2009, 05:23:58 PM
Rolling Stone.
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/dickdale/biography
Biographybase
http://www.biographybase.com/biography/Dale_Dick.html
BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/artists/d/dickdale/
Enough proof for you?
(sigh)
That's not "proof," it's not even evidence. It's just the same stuff that's regurgitated in just about every online article about him. And it originates with him, not from any factual source.
Capitol promoted his records but they never charted even at the height of the surf craze. So they dropped him. Surf music was in a steep decline by then and he couldn't get a major label contract. That's why he "retired."
Who in hell would say "Look at me--I've got rectal cancer" to promote himself?
Anyway-- I accept it as truth cuz I know rectal cancer is considered to be the most curable of all cancer.
...& as a lefty I like the idea of Jimi-who played left handed- tippin' his hat to Dick Dale--another lefty.
Here's a real simple 60s riff toon that took me awhile to track down...a cousin to Surf Music--Biker Music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKpAJF4zCwY&feature=related
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 14, 2009, 09:43:30 PM
Who in hell would say "Look at me--I've got rectal cancer" to promote himself?
Anyway-- I accept it as truth cuz I know rectal cancer is considered to be the most curable of all cancer.
...& as a lefty I like the idea of Jimi-who played left handed- tippin' his hat to Dick Dale--another lefty.
My point is that AFAIK he never said that he had it back then, and AFAIK it was never reported back then that he had it. He just claims
now that he had it back then and that was why he retired. Possible? Yes. Confirmed by anybody back then? Not that I've ever seen.
I can understand why you like the idea of Jimi acknowledging Dick Dale. Just show me some evidence that it ever happened. Dick Dale claiming that Jimi did is not evidence. A bunch of sites repeating his claims isn't evidence.
Sometimes it's just jaw-dropping how gullible people can be about unconfirmed claims.
The alternate version of the story is that Jimi was referring to the fact that the Beach Boys pulled out of the Monterrey Pop Festival. Without primary sources, I'm not sure how either version can be proved.
Oh well~ at least we've got another great anal discussion going here. lol
Dick Dale & his son Jimmy are performing at the Redondo pier tonight!!
Surf Music & the King of the Surf Guitar---still alive & well.
...I wish Jimi was still with us tooo
You will never hear Acid Rock played like that again
Quote from: Dave W on March 14, 2009, 09:18:20 PM
(sigh)
That's not "proof," it's not even evidence. It's just the same stuff that's regurgitated in just about every online article about him. And it originates with him, not from any factual source.
Capitol promoted his records but they never charted even at the height of the surf craze. So they dropped him. Surf music was in a steep decline by then and he couldn't get a major label contract. That's why he "retired."
Okay...
How about this?
http://www.dickdale.com/personal.html
You hear it from the man himself.
blazer your post count is 666. coincidence... ???
I don't like to get involved in this type of thing but I do have a small observation to toss on the table. Third Stone from the Sun , where this reference was made by Hendrix , was recorded in about 1967 and Dick Dales rectal cancer surgery was in 2008. So, we're looking at over 40 years from time of diagnosis to time of treatment ???
This is yet another thing that I couldn't give a rats ass about, but you got my 2 cents on the subject anyway :)
Rick
If Dick Dale's version is the correct one, then he needs to do more to correct the perception that the other version of the story is the valid one. Also, if someone was really serious about this matter, it would be a good idea to see what some of the Beach Boys themselves have said about it. I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that somebody in the Beach Boys has commented on this. The version I've always heard is that when the Beach Boys pulled out of the Monterey Pop Festival, it was downhill from there. In the late 60s, it became more cool to listen to the Beatles, Hendrix, and Cream and less cool to listen to bands such as the Beach Boys. Whether it is right or wrong (and I really don't know) this is how some people interpret the Hendrix comment about surf music. The important thing, in my opinion, is that today we can look back at all of this and appreciate both acid rock and surf music. We don't have to choose between the two; we can have both. Of course, personally I do prefer acid rock; that's why Hendrix and Cream are still at the top of my list. But there is some surf music I still like very much. Also, I think now it's easier to see that surf music was underrated for a long time and maybe that can even change some. I think this is already an interesting thread and I'm here to learn some more stuff about surf music.
Quote from: Blazer on March 15, 2009, 04:32:23 AM
Okay...
How about this?
http://www.dickdale.com/personal.html
You hear it from the man himself.
You're joking, right? Or do you completely
not get it?
Quote from: rahock on March 15, 2009, 07:07:33 AM
I don't like to get involved in this type of thing but I do have a small observation to toss on the table. Third Stone from the Sun , where this reference was made by Hendrix , was recorded in about 1967 and Dick Dales rectal cancer surgery was in 2008. So, we're looking at over 40 years from time of diagnosis to time of treatment ???
This is yet another thing that I couldn't give a rats ass about, but you got my 2 cents on the subject anyway :)
Rick
Again read the links I posted before. The ones from Rollingstone and from BBC, Dale came down with Rectal Cancer in 1966 and in 2008 it came back. In the sixties Cancer wasn't as treatable as it is now, that was the reason why he retired from performing in the sixties. Hendrix heard of Dale being hospitalized and saluted him in "third stone from the sun" which was recorded in the same year when Dale was diagnosed with Cancer, so it all adds up again.
Quote from: Dave W on March 15, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
You're joking, right? Or do you completely not get it?
Let me put it this way, Capitol dropped him, as you said, but his illness was the other reason why he retired, if a performer is terminally ill and thus not being able to perform and thus not being able to sell records there's no reason for the record company to hold onto him. Dale was let off the hook and in a way that was what saved him; no pressure from the record company and he had a disease to battle, so moving away from music for twenty odd years gave him plenty of time to recuperate.
My mother has had cancer, I have been there, I know what it takes to recover from it.
Okay Dave I just send an Email to Dick Dale's official website in which I explained both our point of views. You wanted a trustworthy answer and who better to ask than the man himself.
Now it's just a matter of waiting for his reply.
You really don't get it.
Dick Dale's uncorroborated claims are not fact.
I know what he claims. I'm asking you to provide any independent confirmation of those claims. Not more self-promoting bilge from Dick Dale or his supporters.
I imagine we've all had at least one family member suffer from cancer. That has nothing to do with the question.
Quote from: Dave W on March 15, 2009, 10:10:38 AM
You really don't get it.
Dick Dale's uncorroborated claims are not fact.
I know what he claims. I'm asking you to provide any independent confirmation of those claims. Not more self-promoting bilge from Dick Dale or his supporters.
I imagine we've all had at least one family member suffer from cancer. That has nothing to do with the question.
Then what would you advise me to do to get that independent proof you're looking for? Cancer is NOT a thing one should be bragging about, if Dale really had to think up a a phony reason for laying low for twenty years, he probably would've come up with something like "To hone my skills up even further."
I figured Rollingstone was a dependable source of information.
In trying to provide the Dick Dale version of the story, I'm sure there are better sources to go to than "Rolling Stone" and the BBC. Both are so biased now I feel like I'm in the Soviet Union reading "Pravda" or "Izvestia." Dick Dale may or may not have a case, but the proof, if it exists, would not likely come from the BBC or "Rolling Stone."
Quote from: Blazer on March 15, 2009, 09:34:08 AM
Again read the links I posted before. The ones from Rollingstone and from BBC, Dale came down with Rectal Cancer in 1966 and in 2008 it came back. In the sixties Cancer wasn't as treatable as it is now, that was the reason why he retired from performing in the sixties. Hendrix heard of Dale being hospitalized and saluted him in "third stone from the sun" which was recorded in the same year when Dale was diagnosed with Cancer, so it all adds up again.
Oops :-[ Apparently I missed the 1966 piece. My 2 cents is officially off the table. My not giving a rats ass still applies.....and with that, l will leave this for others to ponder :-X
Rick
OK, this is the biggest load of bullshit yet.
Listen to the box set or bootlegs for the unedited version of the chatter recorded for "Third Stone". Jimi and Chas Chandler are laughing the entire time and after he says "and you'll never hear surf music again" he adds "that sounds like a lie to me" and then laughs some more. Doesn't sound like they're discussing anyone's medical problems.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Dick Dale's cancer (which Jimi struggling to get gigs in NY in 1966 was probably not even aware of and in '67 was in London recording) but everything to do with Jimi knowing full well that his style of playing was light years from anything related to the surf music scene and his comment alludes to it. This is fabrication, bullshit, repeated and reprinted. Tell the same lie so many times it becomes "fact". Where do you come up with this crap? Rolling Stone?
QuoteYou wanted a trustworthy answer and who better to ask than the man himself.
Good idea, let's ask the guy that started the story. :rolleyes:
Quote from: rockinrayduke on March 15, 2009, 03:25:16 PM
OK, this is the biggest load of bullshit yet.
Listen to the box set or bootlegs for the unedited version of the chatter recorded for "Third Stone". Jimi and Chas Chandler are laughing the entire time and after he says "and you'll never hear surf music again" he adds "that sounds like a lie to me" and then laughs some more. Doesn't sound like they're discussing anyone's medical problems.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Dick Dale's cancer (which Jimi struggling to get gigs in NY in 1966 was probably not even aware of and in '67 was in London recording) but everything to do with Jimi knowing full well that his style of playing was light years from anything related to the surf music scene. This is fabrication, bullshit, repeated and reprinted. Tell the same lie so many times it becomes "fact". Where do you come up with this crap?
Good idea, let's ask the guy that started the story. :rolleyes:
Good timing here's the reply I got from Mr. Dale.
I hope you have a little time to spare though...
Quotein the 60's i missed my only concert ever, that was because i dropped
from pain and i was bleeding from my ass...
we had a saying in those days if you missed a concert it was called a
no show....
i found jimi when he was playing Bass for Little Richard in a bar to
30 people in Pasadena Ca., he wasnt called jimi hendrix then....
jimi would come to see me and i would show him my slides and how i got
my power out of my Strat....
he was a very quiet and polite fella and no drugs at that time..
in fact, Buddy Miles his drummer would open for me at my concerts and
Buddy would always tell the audience
that there wasnt a day go by that jimi didnt say... ''dick dale taught
me my best shit'' i thought that was funny...ha
anyway when jimi was recording he told his guitar player, ''i heard dd
did a no show'' his guitar player replied ''no, he's dying man''
I have tapes i have of jimi at that session speaking and he said,
''Quote'' ''i,m out in space, ohhh you'll never hear surf music again,
BUT, I BET THAT'S A BIG LIE, LETS GO HOME BOYS'' (that part was
never released to the public)
Jimi then dedicated 3rd stone to dd as it was the only instrumental
that he ever did without singing....
That is why i dedicated it back to jimi with me saying....
''Jimi, I'm still here, Wish you were'' ........ that was my quote
back to jimi...
when i went into the hospital, i overheard the nurse say to the surgeon
as they were shoving the camera up into my ass, Oh My God doctor....
the doc said SHHH (shush) the doc then said to me i am operating on
you in the morning....
at that point i was told i had 3 months to live.....
they then cut out 14 inches of one side of my rectal trac, 6 tumors
and 7 cysts
and the surgeon said lets see if we got it all....
i went down to 98 pounds and a horrible painful stay in the hospital
in recovery...
they continued to open me up afterwards to look for more cancer....
I started to feel sorry for myself and i went to Hawaii to surf the rest
of my days left on this earth.....those were the thoughts in my mind...
I then met Ed Parker a master in kenpo Karate in Hawaii
and the Mitosi family also Masters in the martial arts and i became
one with them....
the rest is history.
I would fast for 30 days putting nothing but hot tea, ginsing and
honey in my body
and i would train a very heavy schedule. my cancer was gone...
As for my cancer battle now, i knew i had the cancer because i was
bleeding again
from my rectum for the last 17 years.
I was going through a very heavy divorce at the time and
i didnt want to go through the pain that i went through
as i did at my first cancer attack.... i just told myself,
screw it, when it takes me, it will take me...
i was doing 39 concerts in 42 days and i was getting ready to go
back to europe for my next 40 concerts...
My manager Matt Marshall said to me, Stop thinking about yourself
and go in and get checked, you have a 16 year old son to worry about.
so i went into the hospital and they told me what i already knew what
i had...
cancer in the same place as the first time...
it was going through the walls, a giant tumor...
3 surgeons and 8 hours later they cut the tumor out... that is another
story....ha
i now dont give a shit what cancer thinks....
i am playing my guitar and i am supporting my son with his dream....
the divorce still isn't over.....ha thats life....
ps.... i was never dropped from any record company.....
my father bought all the rights and the masters to my music
from capital records and we went and formed our own companies...
also... both of my cancers came from polyps becoming cancerous tumors
from straining in my body....
cancer means dead cell, when blood sits in a polyp from straining and
is not checked upon to be cut out
it will become a tumor and cancer occurs. it was all my fault not
going in early to be checked.... dick
Jimi was out in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas and Georgia touring with Little Richard in the early part of 1965 and by April of that year was back in NYC where he stayed until he took off to London in Sept 1966. Jimi was not Richard's bass player, maybe he was playing one the night Mr. Dale saw him for some reason. I hope Dick Dale is feeling well and continues to do so.
As far as that being the only instrumental Jimi ever did, nah. He did quite a few.
This is strictly hearsay and the guy who could truly confirm it died in 1970. As far as what you choose to believe that's on you. Maybe you should talk to Eric Burdon next, he's got some great Jimi stories.
Those that commented on the Butthole surfers...I know they're not a surf band. I should have mentioned that I want to "blend" sounds a bit, and they are what I'm thinking of. The fact that they have "surfers" in their name is just coincidental.
In order to combat all this negativity, how about some pictures of surf guitars and surf colors?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/5.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/2sg.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/2.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/1.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/daphne_blue_stratocaster_003.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/V040166-surf57.gif)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/2827719940033877288FRzUrt_th.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/100_3955.jpg)
I love the surf green Firebird.
And my own little surf machine (sorry, I don't have pictures of my own guitar by itself at the moment)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/Deserveashake/sjm62lh3ts5.jpg)
The only difference is mine has the cream covers and knobs, and there is a P90 shaped humbucker in the bridge. Gonna give it a maple neck and refinish it in surf green.
Well in the end no one was proven right or wrong here, Dale's reply to my question is a little *ahem* vague.
However, I DO believe what he said about his father buying the rights to his music and the master tapes when Dale was struck by cancer. The fact that all that music has survived really IS conclusive evidence of that. Because back then, it was common practice of a record company to destroy the master tapes if an artist or band was dropped by that particular label, since there was no reason to print albums from that artist anymore.
God knows what amazing artists we never got to hear about aside from some rare out of print LP compilation, thanks to that ruthless policy.
QuoteHowever, I DO believe what he said about his father buying the rights to his music and the master tapes when Dale was struck by cancer.
In other words now you have doubts about the story. ;) :rolleyes:
I would like to suggest that the OP check out the Shadows in addition to Los Straitjackets. The Raybeats put out a great album in 1980. My guitarist and I are trying to get our band to play the Straitjackets version of the Theme from the Magnificent Seven. Don't know if we can pull it off but it's such a cool tune.
Thanks, I'll have to take a listen. I'm still discovering new surf all the time.
In the meanwhile, I'm on spring break. I'll have plenty of time for the sun and surf, and plenty of time to check out some great surf music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FiDGRLEWps
I just spoke to Jimi about this. We regularly talk. He said he doesn't really remember whether it was for Dick Dale or not and that the Beach Boys were good friends. He also said: No reason to get excited ...
Quote from: Blazer on March 15, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
Well in the end no one was proven right or wrong here, Dale's reply to my question is a little *ahem* vague.
Wrong! You made some preposterous claims, it's up to you to prove them, not up to us to disprove them.
Quote from: Blazer on March 15, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
However, I DO believe what he said about his father buying the rights to his music and the master tapes when Dale was struck by cancer. The fact that all that music has survived really IS conclusive evidence of that. Because back then, it was common practice of a record company to destroy the master tapes if an artist or band was dropped by that particular label, since there was no reason to print albums from that artist anymore.
God knows what amazing artists we never got to hear about aside from some rare out of print LP compilation, thanks to that ruthless policy.
WTF? ??? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? That's utter rubbish! Master tapes are almost never destroyed, even when the label goes out of business. How do you think Bear Family has been able to resissue literally hundreds of albums from master tapes, not only after the artists were long gone from the labels, but often long after the labels were defunct? And very often containing unreleased tracks and alternate takes?
Where the hell do you come up with this nonsense? >:(
And while I certainly wish Dick Dale well healthwise, that doesn't change the fact that his claims in the letter are just a big steaming pile of poo.
Anyone who claims he got cancer from straining and then implies that he got rid of it in 30 days with hot tea, ginseng, honey and training is a dangerous nutcase.
Quote from: Dave W on March 15, 2009, 07:17:39 PMWhere the hell do you come up with this nonsense? >:(
The Jimi Hendrix thing came from many interview I read and seen on TV with other members of the Experience and people close to Hendrix in documentaries about Hendrix.
The thing about destroying master tapes was said on a BBC special on a guy who collected records, he stated that Master tapes were frequently erased and recorded over when it was decided that the original content was no longer needed for publishing. Maybe the use of the word "destroyed" might have been wrong here.
If those facts I picked up were wrong, feel free to correct me but no use of Wikipedia or fan sites please.
:P
Quote from: Dave W on March 15, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
And while I certainly wish Dick Dale well healthwise, that doesn't change the fact that his claims in the letter are just a big steaming pile of poo.
Anyone who claims he got cancer from straining and then implies that he got rid of it in 30 days with hot tea, ginseng, honey and training is a dangerous nutcase.
There, finally something we agree on, judging from how my mom recovered from cancer I'd say it must have taken him at least 17 months.
Because being operated on your rectum means you're bed bound for a couple of weeks (if not months, remember, it's the sixties we're talking about and cancer wasn't as treatable as it is now) lying on your stomach only. And after that you need therapy just learning how to walk again, not to mention that such a trivial thing as going for a shit on the toilet requires assistance.
His musical career had a twenty year break, in which I assume, he would've had plenty of time to indeed recover and indulge on Ginseng tea, martial arts and Honey.
Wow. Just wow.
A few apples spoil the bunch. My poor little thread that was supposed to be about surf music has turned into a damn flame war about what Hendrix may or may not have said, and about Dick Dale's rectal cancer. WTF guys, really.
You couldn't have PMed each other instead to keep your ridiculous rift raft out?
I'm sorry at least I tried getting back on course by posting those clips of the ventures including one where they played with Skunk Baxter but I guess that the ship was already sinking by then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqm9Rr_Ravc
The Fab Four surfing.
And again a couple of years later...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IabsMkst8k
Their smiles say everything here, they still knew how to have fun together.
Ah no worries, but that is more like it.
I never heard that Beatles song before, thats totally cool that they have that sound. Usually, whats drilled into my skull for beatles is "she loves you" and "HELP!"
I tried playing a little surf tonight but I just can't seem to get inspired. It's like all the great surf rifts were written. Player's block probably, maybe another trip to the beach is in order.
Quote from: pbrocker56 on March 15, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Wow. Just wow.
A few apples spoil the bunch. My poor little thread that was supposed to be about surf music has turned into a damn flame war about what Hendrix may or may not have said, and about Dick Dale's rectal cancer. WTF guys, really.
You couldn't have PMed each other instead to keep your ridiculous rift raft out?
Some people post to be helpful. Some other people post to impress people with what they think they know that they think other people don't know. When they're wrong, too often nobody says anything, and misinformation gets repeated.
That's not the way things work here. I'm just flat out not going to allow misinformation to be posted here and stand uncorrected. If somebody else doesn't step in and say something, I will. In public, not by PM.
I hope you understand.
Check out this Surf Music vid~ it's the title track to an album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaLd1m6uN5Y
Love that whammy bar action!
Maybe we could keep the Weekly World News Reseach Team on retainer to investigate any disputed claims. They have many resources that obviuosly No ONE else has access to and the stellar reputation of printing " The truth, the whole truth and anything but the truth".
Rick
Even if Hendrix was aware of Dale's illness, it would make no sense for him to make the statement to only apply to Dick Dale. It was the Beach Boys at that time that functioned as the main representative of surf music, not Dick Dale. As has already been stated here, Hendrix knew his type of music was taking over and that other forms of music such as surf music were on their way out. This is exactly what happened, too. You didn't have to be a musical genius such as Hendrix to understand that. But when he made such a statement as that, I'm sure he wasn't gloating; he was just stating a fact. Now the psychedelic era which Hendrix was talking about is long gone, too. But like I said in another post, now we can look at this more objectively and appreciate both surf music and acid rock.
Quote from: Rocker949 on March 16, 2009, 08:50:08 AMBut like I said in another post, now we can look at this more objectively and appreciate both surf music and acid rock.
Sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5qCa6n8vBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84rLXS6HQQA
Check out the Dano bass in this clip.
Quote from: nofi on March 14, 2009, 03:01:40 PM
btw the butthole surfers are not a surf band, although that may have been an interesting concept. i thought i would beat blazer to the punch. :mrgreen:
Pinkus from the Butthole Surfers is a friend of mine and produced the last HH album back in 2007...
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_9472baed385812cae61dc3daccab341c.jpg)
Cool! Ya might snicker at the name if you haven't heard them (actually the album names are better: Rembrandt Pussyhorse... Hairway to Steven... Electriclarryland... lol), but they're an innovatibve band.
Here's a track that even has a little bit o' the surf twang to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On1norG3EcY
This one got some airplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPH-vhpEnaI
They even had a song called 'Jimi', to bring this thread full circle ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn4lJqbv7So
I'll tell you what it is...
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on March 16, 2009, 01:40:27 AM
Check out this Surf Music vid~ it's the title track to an album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaLd1m6uN5Y
Love that whammy bar action!
I thought the ending was a little weak, but other than that I totally loved this song.
Quote from: nofi on March 15, 2009, 06:36:38 AM
blazer your post count is 666. coincidence... ???
I think I hit 666 on this thread too but I ain't sure. :vader:
Wow there is a lot going on here!
I used to play in a surf band called The Aquasonics, we didn't do much wave carving here in Colorado but we did have a good time.
Check out a website called surfguitar101 for way more information on strings, guitars, amps and all things surf than you ever wanted to know.
As for Hendrix and Dick Dale... your on your own :mrgreen:
Later
Surf in the city:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id0KDPV13hQ
Ha, I thought sure that Pat McCormack "Risk Thrill Factor" video was straight from California, but it was made in Nashville.
thanks, Joe. I love movies with a message. ;)
Dang, I can't believe how late I'm coming to this thread. I don't want to re-start the earlier argument over Dick Dale and Hendrix, but I have heard a number of times that when Hendrix made the comment it was a reference to Dick Dale. BUT - that could be rumor, apochryphal, or simply lies, and frankly I don't care! I also know there's no greater self-promoter and user of hyperbole than Dick Dale - and I don't care, because the man is a complete original and NO ONE plays like him. I've seen him for four years in a row here in Fort Collins, and I'm hoping he's well enough to come back this year. Heck, I have a shadow box with Dick Dale memorabilia (most of it signed) in my music room!
I play in a surf band - and you're welcome to surf our channel on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/colocoug. I've recently started to understand that surf is really a distinct style, and that some guitarists find it easy to learn, and others never master. It's probably very much like jazz and other genres in that respect.
I know that as a bass player, I find the surf style to be a great kick in the butt - loads of fun to play.
Here's our version of Pipeline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f01NWETUDc&feature=channel_page
And for a non-traditional surf tune, here's Ghost Riders / Rawhide / Ghost riders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTjkGVWgjE&feature=channel_page
Which perhaps makes the point that surf bands don't HAVE to play only surf!
QuoteBUT - that could be rumor, apochryphal, or simply lies, and frankly I don't care!
It's all of the above. The man is flat out delusional if he actually believes it himself.
Self-promotion isn't bad
per se. Spreading outright falsehoods to self-promote isn't something I shrug off. It definitely colors my view of the person.
Well, how 'BOUT them Los Straitjackets?
Rockula - one of my faves......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYV3DkOSxiw
I saw Los Straitjackets once, about 12-13 years ago. I was impressed.
Hey, when guys wear Mexican wrestling masks and play like that, they're COOOOLLLL!! 8) 8)
If it's "Cool" we're talking about, then these guys must be freezing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUP5rwVNJko
and here's a live version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoMAAEJ5sdM
I just moved to Huntington Beach aka Surf City. There was a car show here yesterday.
There were 3 AWESOME old woodies parked on the pier!!!
One had stickers of Rick Griffin's Murphy aka Murph the Surf in the windows & a bunch of other cooler stickers like Surf Fink--not sure if that was an Ed "Big Daddy" Roth creation or someone elses's take off on his Rat Fink but it was cooool
Best sticker was one that said:
Can't We All Just Get A Longboard?
Ha haa haaaa Best laugh I've had since I first saw a t-shirt saying:
Can't we all just get a BONG?
Gettin' inspired by this cool ol' thread & from livin' in Surf City!!
The Surfaris & Jan & Dean were from here...Huntington Beach.
Havin' fun drawin' some cartoony stuff & may even do some airbrush painting soon along these lines:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/Neptune.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/SUN.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/TigerSharkSurfer.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/LightSnake/mermaid-1.jpg)
Look at the twin bass VI action here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6fEXC2boU
Some great Aussie Surf Punk from the 70's
Radio Birdman
Aloha Steve and Danno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul8x9EAQLUI
The Atlantics are probably Australia's most prominant Surf band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_CttIV7VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkcj8YuH6eA
In the Denver/Boulder area, one well-known surf band is the Beloved Invaders. There are a number of their performances on YouTube. They're pretty darn good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnQYSQ8SIKg
Surf is awesome and I play it all the time at the radio station. We just got a new cd in from The Atomic Mosquitoes from Washington, DC. Great!
I posted some links as well, but my internet connection took a dump in the middle of posting. Dumb internet.