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Title: Bass Backbone
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 07, 2008, 01:18:06 AM
What songs have bass as the backbone, the core of the music?
One I'm really LOVIN' these days is Humble Pie~ Stone Cold Fever!
Ironically, there's not much to it lyrically besides:
"I've got trouble in my backbone"
There's nothin' wrong with the backbone of the song tho'!
The bass is EXCELLENT! Great work by Greg Ridley.
He seems to dictate the structure of the music.
Frampton plays a great jazzy solo too!
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Barklessdog on February 07, 2008, 04:43:49 AM
That whole heavy classic rock thing seems to be long forgotten now.

I loved Free & James Gang as well.

Wolfmother I think tapped into the sound
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: gweimer on February 07, 2008, 06:09:12 AM
Check out Wolfgang's Vault for some really good live Humble Pie concerts.  They're available for purchase, too.  I tell you what - I've got some later Steve Marriott stuff that he did with Steve Marriott and the Original Receivers.   Even messed up, that man had a voice that killed.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: shadowcastaz on February 07, 2008, 09:10:25 AM
thjanx for reminding about the vault. Im listening to Rory Gallager at the moment. Great site.M
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: chromium on February 07, 2008, 12:56:54 PM
One of the guitarists in my band saw Humble Pie around the early 70s.  He told me that Marriott walked onstage while the rest of the band was playing, and started singing - without PA support - and his voice projected over the volume of the band.  Now that's a set of pipes!

I liked Ridley's playing too.  I was just listening to Spooky Tooth's "Spooky Two" a couple weeks back.  Some great "backbone" playing on there.

...and I can actually stand (and in fact rather like) Frampton in Humble Pie!  ;D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5881558112274839167
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 07, 2008, 02:14:33 PM
Spooky Two's a CLASSIC! I guess I oughta get Spooky Tooth 1 too!!
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: SKATE RAT on February 07, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: Barklessdog on February 07, 2008, 04:43:49 AM
That whole heavy classic rock thing seems to be long forgotten now.

I loved Free & James Gang as well.

Wolfmother I think tapped into the sound
i shocked how few people know of the james gang.so good.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 08, 2008, 03:12:06 AM
Yeah~ Look!  James Gang on youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=24SOBX4PIx8&feature=related

I always liked 'em but I didn't know they were just a trio!!! Cooool

Jimmy Vox on Drums & Dale Peters on bass!! GREAT Rhythm Section!!

....& of course as everyone should know....the amazing Joe Walsh.
I'll have to study Walk Away & Funk #49 to see if Dale's the backbone or Joe. haha

Looks like I've got s'more Classic Rock to buy on cd....
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: SKATE RAT on February 08, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
they were also a 4 piece and for while a 5 piece also 6.can't forget Tommy Bolin?
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 19, 2008, 05:11:35 PM
So...what other songs revolve around the bass line?
Sunshine of Your Love, Politician~ CREAM

Tired Angels~ MOUNTAIN

C'mon~ Help me out!

I'm studying the Armored Saint catalog....a friend sent me their best.
Joey Vera is a great bassplayer & leader of the band.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: gweimer on February 19, 2008, 06:27:40 PM
"Rock On" - David Essex
"Bang on the Drum" - Todd Rundgren
"Hyperactive" - Thomas Dolby
"Blood of the Sun" - Leslie West (pre-Mountain...geez, R&B, you missed this one?)
"Roundabout"  and "Parallels" - Yes
"Green-Eyed Lady" - Sugarloaf
"Feel Good, Inc." - Gorillaz
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Dave W on February 19, 2008, 08:07:20 PM
PLEASE NOTE: the following may be strange or bewildering to those of you who only know classic rock.  :)

Some 60s garage/psych:

Love with Arthur Lee, My Little Red Book: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tXEAWlIe2sQ

The Mickey Finn, Garden of My Mind: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-2lTUDHF0


Some pre- and post-New Wave:

Devo, Satisfaction: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IYrJxodsm0

Violent Femmes, Prove My Love: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Abzjte3Je0


Some modern (alt) rock:

The Pixies, Gigantic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LK0CJqMK6f0
(Have I mentioned that I love Kim Deal?)

The Breeders, Cannonball: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7AsId-qVIb4
(I love Kim Deal even on acoustic guitar)


And then there's this guy, I think this qualifies as backbone: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQu91gvb0CY
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Dave W on February 19, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
I just remembered this one from my favorites: First Edition (live), Ruby: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ZYcqlEZxGQ

Excellent bassline by Kenny.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 19, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
Quote from: Dave W on February 19, 2008, 08:07:20 PM
PLEASE NOTE: the following may be strange or bewildering to those of you who only know classic rock.  :)


Love with Arthur Lee, My Little Red Book: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tXEAWlIe2sQ


And then there's this guy, I think this qualifies as backbone: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQu91gvb0CY




LOVE~Forever Changes was one of my first records. I painted the album cover with poster paints & it turned out real good. I was about 13.
I was just playin' My Little Red Book recently & wondering who the bassplayer
was...only other band member besides Arthur Lee I whose name I remembered was Bryan Maclean.
Wikipedia says the bassman was Ken Forrsi RIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lee_(musician)

Shocking to read that My Little Red Book was written by Burt Bacharach! hahaa
Burt was just honored with a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammys.
I didn't know he was Marlene Dietrich's conductor either!! Verrry Cooool!!
My Dutch/German ex spoke Dutch & German & used to sing along with Marlene.
Verrrry sexy!!!

Sad that Bryan & Ken both died while Lee was in prison!!
Cool that Arthur got out & got his sh*t together & regained some of his former glory!!!
LOVE is CLASSIC ROCK in my opinion.
MOTORHEAD is CLASSIC METAL!

Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Dave W on February 20, 2008, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on February 19, 2008, 09:01:21 PM

LOVE~Forever Changes was one of my first records. I painted the album cover with poster paints & it turned out real good. I was about 13.
I was just playin' My Little Red Book recently & wondering who the bassplayer
was...only other band member besides Arthur Lee I whose name I remembered was Bryan Maclean.
Wikipedia says the bassman was Ken Forrsi RIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lee_(musician)

Shocking to read that My Little Red Book was written by Burt Bacharach! hahaa
Burt was just honored with a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammys.

He and Hal David wrote it for the "What's New Pussycat" soundtrack, of all things, and it was sung by Manfred Mann. The Arthur Lee version is quite a bit different from the original, as I'm sure you can guess. Burt probably still has nightmares.  :D
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: the mojo hobo on February 21, 2008, 06:47:49 AM
Dang! I haven't heard Love's version of My Little Red Book in years. However there was a little known group from the Midwest called The Litter that did a more energetic version of this song that kicked ass.  It was on one of their two albums, I think it was "Emerge".
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: the mojo hobo on February 21, 2008, 07:01:19 AM
But back to the original topic. Think about it. The bass is the Backbone. Without the bass guitar so much popular music would be empty. People dance to the bass and drums.

That being said there are a lot of songs that feature the bass. Some of my favorites:

White Wedding by Billy Idol
Twilight Zone by Golben Earring
Money by Pink Floyd
Travelling Light by Hermans Hermits
The ballad of you and me and Poneil by Jefferson Airplane
Title: What are you talking about?
Post by: uwe on February 21, 2008, 08:41:26 AM
Can you get more "core of the music" than this stuff:

Queen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQoYCWQWSD4

Herr Jackson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9pLwZVmGk

Temptations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grf_fYexw-A

Rare Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEaQAsMW8Ik

Indeep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZxrkgG9Ws (that's Jules playing his BC Rich in funky mode)

Thin Lizzy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unnh0T2Ftro

Most black or black-derived music is bass based. Hey, even krauts können es tun!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TssuSYrxVI





Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: TBird1958 on February 21, 2008, 10:46:36 AM
 I love playing White Wedding!  Early on when its just the bass and drums together with no guitar over the top.......Hell yeah!
Me and the girls.........this from a year ago, we shoot new stuff in May.

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Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: PWV on February 26, 2008, 02:34:52 PM
It wasn't for this bass line, we might never have had the entire genre:

(I like this short clip better than the original fwiw - one for Uwe....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC1ycy4fhz0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC1ycy4fhz0)


Here's the original -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0)
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: PWV on February 26, 2008, 02:41:14 PM
Oh yeah - and how to detune on the fly:  Nilson's "Jump Into The Fire" starts my favorite scene from one of my favorite movies:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0)

Better version of the song (short)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-chGPwhLKU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-chGPwhLKU&feature=related)
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Chris P. on February 27, 2008, 12:16:14 AM
About Marriott again:

I like Humble Pie, but I'm a real big fan of The Small Faces. I think songs like Tin Soldier and I'm Only Dreaming are some of the best pop songs ever. Better than a lot of Beatles stuff. And Ogden's Nut Gone Flake should be rated with The White Album, Tommy, et cetera.

Nice YouTube video. Search for Marriott and Akexis Korner (I believe they call him 'Corner' there). The do a great version of Get Off My Cloud together!
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: felig on February 28, 2008, 10:09:09 AM
When speaking of bass backbones & Love in the same thread, I'm surprised that "7 and 7 Is" wasn't mentioned.  That was one of the songs that really impressed upon me what a bass can do to a song.  "Rain" by the Beatles, along with the other side of the 45: "Paperback Writer" were also totally bass driven (BTW wasn't that like the 1st 45 that was released with two "A" sides?), oh, and "Lady Madonna", etc. etc.  Don't forget Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" & "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell & the Drells.  I always feel compelled to point out how much the bass serves as the backbone in Jimi Hendrix's stuff--e.g. "Manic Depression" & "Fire".  Sometimes I think that the basslines that Jimi composed (& often played on the recordings) were nearly as much a legacy as his guitar work.

Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Chris P. on February 28, 2008, 11:17:26 AM
Uwe mentioned Queen. I was a huge fan in my younger days. I play it sometimes now and everytime it strikes me how melodic and good John Deacon is.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Max Soren on February 28, 2008, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: the mojo hobo on February 21, 2008, 07:01:19 AM
But back to the original topic. Think about it. The bass is the Backbone. Without the bass guitar so much popular music would be empty. People dance to the bass and drums.

That being said there are a lot of songs that feature the bass. Some of my favorites:

White Wedding by Billy Idol
Twilight Zone by Golben Earring
Money by Pink Floyd
Travelling Light by Hermans Hermits
The ballad of you and me and Poneil by Jefferson Airplane

"Twilight Zone"...a song which I absolutely cannot ever get tired of. 
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Barklessdog on March 03, 2008, 11:29:17 AM
the Beatles was a bass driven band.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: TBird1958 on March 03, 2008, 11:29:46 PM

I really enjoy John Taylor on Duran Duran and Rio, he and Roger Taylor are incredibly tight, especially on "New Religion" yeah they're pop, but they sure can play!
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: HornetAMX on March 06, 2008, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: TBird1958 on March 03, 2008, 11:29:46 PM
I really enjoy John Taylor on Duran Duran and Rio, he and Roger Taylor are incredibly tight, especially on "New Religion" yeah they're pop, but they sure can play!

I remember buying that record at Sound Warehouse in May 1982.  This was before they were big and I actually went to buy their first LP because I heard it at a party at UT.  They did not have their first LP so I got the new one "Rio" and just loved it on first listen.(they had 2 of them in the "D" section)  I saw them here in Austin in 1984 for their "Seven And The Ragged Tiger" tour and it was a fantastic show.  Taylor was playing the black Aria SB bass.  The girls were screaming so loud at times it was louder than the band!  The first LP on the Harvest label is worth searching for.  It is mixed differently than the later Capitol version that added "Something I Should Know" on it.  The first Rio LP was also on Harvest, but after they hit big was remixed and released on Capitol as well.  The Power Station performance on SNL was great too.  JT was playing the Kubicki by then. 
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: TBird1958 on March 06, 2008, 04:09:36 PM

I remember seeing them on SNL.....JT playin' the Kubicki and wearing a dress......
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: HornetAMX on March 06, 2008, 05:16:27 PM
Yes, the dress!  Didn't they get that idea from Bowie's band wearing dresses?  I thought I'd read that somewhere. 
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: godofthunder on March 07, 2008, 07:21:32 AM
 
Quote from: Barklessdog on February 07, 2008, 04:43:49 AM
That whole heavy classic rock thing seems to be long forgotten now.

I loved Free & James Gang as well.

Wolfmother I think tapped into the sound
Man I loved live James gang, always loved the live arrangement of Walk Away, much better than the studio version. They did a similar version on James Gang Live. The bass sound is just Killer on that you tube video ! Heavy rock forgotten ? Hell thats all we do.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: DrFeelBad on June 24, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
It was dresses over leather pants. LOL.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Chaser001 on June 25, 2011, 05:07:04 AM
Quote from: DrFeelBad on June 24, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
It was dresses over leather pants. LOL.

The James Gang in dresses?  No one was wearing a dress when my band opened up for them. 
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Chaser001 on June 25, 2011, 05:27:13 AM
Quote from: felig on February 28, 2008, 10:09:09 AM
When speaking of bass backbones & Love in the same thread, I'm surprised that "7 and 7 Is" wasn't mentioned.  That was one of the songs that really impressed upon me what a bass can do to a song.  "Rain" by the Beatles, along with the other side of the 45: "Paperback Writer" were also totally bass driven (BTW wasn't that like the 1st 45 that was released with two "A" sides?), oh, and "Lady Madonna", etc. etc.  Don't forget Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" & "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell & the Drells.  I always feel compelled to point out how much the bass serves as the backbone in Jimi Hendrix's stuff--e.g. "Manic Depression" & "Fire".  Sometimes I think that the basslines that Jimi composed (& often played on the recordings) were nearly as much a legacy as his guitar work.



I realize I'm commenting on an old post.  However, I just saw this.  Although I agree with everything that is being said here, I'd like to point out that the bass in "Fire" is Noel Redding's bass line that he composed himself.  I think on "Manic Depression" he is mostly doubling Hendrix's guitar riff with a few minor variations. 
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: TBird1958 on June 25, 2011, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: Chaser001 on June 25, 2011, 05:07:04 AM
The James Gang in dresses?  No one was wearing a dress when my band opened up for them. 


That's in reference to my mentioning Duran Duran's appearance on SNL.
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Chaser001 on June 25, 2011, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: TBird1958 on June 25, 2011, 09:29:02 AM

That's in reference to my mentioning Duran Duran's appearance on SNL.

Thanks
Title: Re: Bass Backbone
Post by: Dave W on June 25, 2011, 01:40:35 PM
Zombie thread.