I agree with this nurse. Something I often do and I'm around nurses at least several times a month.
I would like to ask that no one make any political comments about this. Dave wouldn't have wanted it and neither do I. It is possible to discuss reality without sinking into the mire of politics. Personally, I'm just saddened that a young woman has been gunned down like this.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HHX6VjVd-Nk
I don't see how this can not go political...
Quote from: Basvarken on January 08, 2026, 10:01:15 AMI don't see how this can not go political...
Then maybe you should just delete it. I don't have the time to post right now because I'm getting ready to go to the dentist. But this is the only news story I've ever seen that made me so sick to my stomach I thought I could vomit. It's rare I have felt so disgusted. If this wasn't happening in my country I wouldn't even be talking about it at all.
This sadly makes me speechless.
I've been speechless since 2016.
A few years as a reserve deputy gives me a firm opinion on this event. It is not in any way favorable to the shooter. That is a factual statement based on visual evidence, not political.
I'm not hopeful for any justice for the victim or her family.
Quote from: Ken on January 09, 2026, 11:44:13 AMI'm not hopeful for any justice for the victim or her family.
Neither am I, at least at the federal level; the cards are stacked.
Quote from: Pilgrim on January 09, 2026, 10:57:55 AMA few years as a reserve deputy gives me a firm opinion on this event. It is not in any way favorable to the shooter. That is a factual statement based on visual evidence, not political.
You're obviously in Colorado. I don't know if you know this or not, but the murdered woman was from Colorado Springs. Evidently, that was her hometown. She had only been in Minnesota for a short time. I think she has two older children still in Colorado. Renee Good had also spent some time in Kansas City with her youngest child there. I'm basing this on fragmentary info, but I think it's probably correct.
Being America, I assume that now a photogenic white woman has been caught up in this something might change.
It seems like they intentionally bolstered the number of ICE "agents" by recruiting unstable incel types who spent too much time at school with their heads held down a toilet bowl. Let's arm these folk and give them Temu-grade faux military apparel immediately! QED.
Quote from: Alanko on January 09, 2026, 12:29:43 PMBeing America, I assume that now a photogenic white woman has been caught up in this something might change.
It seems like they intentionally bolstered the number of ICE "agents" by recruiting unstable incel types who spent too much time at school with their heads held down a toilet bowl. Let's arm these folk and give them Temu-grade faux military apparel immediately! QED.
I think the main thing is people are so absolutely horrified by how bloody this was. In the early videos you could see her covered with blood and also see the bloody air bag. They have censored part of this now.
BTW, I just saw a video in which her last words to the agent were "I'm not mad at you, dude." Seconds later she was dead. You could hear somebody say "f***ing bitch" which I assume was from the shooter.
I've avoided seeing the footage, despite social media trying to make me watch it repeatedly. The first time I've tried to remain wilfully ignorant of something. I think I saw the Charlie Kirk shooting footage before breakfast the next day, courtesy of some auto-playing video on Twitter.
I read one theory that America sort of lost it after 9/11, just on a slow trajectory. Hamstrung media, paranoia, and now militias roaming the streets picking off undesirables and perceived enemies. Easy to blame Trump, but he appears to have a loose grasp on reality (and a range of maladies that will send him to the grave in the next 12 months). He's the noisy distraction while those who benefit the most from a strictly controlled, poor, paranoid and divided population make the real decisions in the background.
Quote from: Alanko on January 09, 2026, 03:27:16 PMI've avoided seeing the footage, despite social media trying to make me watch it repeatedly. The first time I've tried to remain wilfully ignorant of something. I think I saw the Charlie Kirk shooting footage before breakfast the next day, courtesy of some auto-playing video on Twitter.
I read one theory that America sort of lost it after 9/11, just on a slow trajectory. Hamstrung media, paranoia, and now militias roaming the streets picking off undesirables and perceived enemies. Easy to blame Trump, but he appears to have a loose grasp on reality (and a range of maladies that will send him to the grave in the next 12 months). He's the noisy distraction while those who benefit the most from a strictly controlled, poor, paranoid and divided population make the real decisions in the background.
I would recommend not watching any of the videos if possible. That can definitely make you actually nauseated. I was talking to a friend in Holland. She said that she was going to avoid watching. That just hearing people talk about the shooting was already making her feel sick to her stomach.
Even if there's no legal justice, the shooter's identity has been released. I suspect he won't get a day of peace for the rest of his life.
I have a friend from an extreme Northern state who has lived in Scandinavia for over 20 years. He said when he meets anyone now on his road he feels like someone who has just been arrested for being a sexual predator he is so ashamed. He has started going to a new grocery store, hardware store and gas station in a nearby town. If the issue of language comes up, he says he is British, but was raised in Canada. With my Southern accent, trying to pull off his ruse wouldn't work for me. I did once have a farmer from Friesland who asked me if I was Canadian. I'm sure those people rarely meet American tourists. But my friend in Scandinavia said that if you're American, traveling in Europe now won't be the same. In my opinion, we Americans have now become the new barbarians of the world. I also feel shame that we have sunk so low. Also, not to be pessimistic, but I honestly don't see how this can ever be fixed.
It may not can be fixed because the U.S. may have reached its new John Brown moment in history. Brown had led a raid on Harper's Ferry in Virginia to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed by the state of Virginia. He was looked at as hero and martyr in the North, but had been executed as a traitor by Virginia. One side viewed him as Christlike, the other saw him as a raving lunatic. Each side was looking at the same man and same event in different ways. Nothing was going to change that, either. Both the North and South continued to maintain their own views throughout the Civil War. Maybe George Santayana had a point when he wrote that "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." But Santayana may have had an even bigger point when he said "only the dead have seen the end of war." As America goes through its turmoil, it might be a good idea to think about things like this. But I think many people aren't thinking about much of anything except how to prove their point and damning anyone who disagrees. That's why Dave never wanted things to end in political discussions here. And he was right.
The best comfort I find today is my shaky trust that the US is strong enough to ride out the current internal conflicts and find a new spot on the pendulum swing between right land left wing approaches. That pendulum swing is constant, and I see signs that's it's moving. I'm hoping for the mid-terms to restore some checks on the current occupant.
Here is a video I happened to just now run across while eating breakfast. I sometimes feel I don't post enough music videos here. Good ones can be hard to find. Here is an attempt to correct that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDkW5o1gKw
I just got home from a three day ordeal with AFib. I went to my local hospital ER last Wednesday & was told they wanted to keep me overnight. There ended up that no rooms were available in any hospital close by so I got sent by ambulance to Abbot Hospital in Minneapolis. I was just blocks from where this sad story took place. The nurses & workers would comment on the news saying how close it was to us. They wondered if they could make it home from work. Minneapolis is sadly in another national news headline. Sad loss of a young woman.
Quote from: Grog on January 10, 2026, 02:02:58 PMI just got home from a three day ordeal with AFib. I went to my local hospital ER last Wednesday & was told they wanted to keep me overnight. There ended up that no rooms were available in any hospital close by so I got sent by ambulance to Abbot Hospital in Minneapolis. I was just blocks from where this sad story took place. The nurses & workers would comment on the news saying how close it was to us. They wondered if they could make it home from work. Minneapolis is sadly in another national news headline. Sad loss of a young woman.
Good luck with the AFib. I don't know if you're actually from Minnesota or not. But so many of those people they show on TV from there seem so bold and defiant. I would be proud to be from such a state.
Quote from: westen44 on January 10, 2026, 04:18:18 PMGood luck with the AFib. I don't know if you're actually from Minnesota or not. But so many of those people they show on TV from there seem so bold and defiant. I would be proud to be from such a state.
Thanks! They gave me a jolt & straightened my heart rhythm out, I just have to work on a couple likely causes so it doesn't happen again. I am a lifelong Minnesotan!
Quote from: Grog on January 10, 2026, 05:47:48 PMI am a lifelong Minnesotan!
We won't hold that against you :mrgreen:
(BTW I graduated from Col Heights and went to the U, so I include myself in here)
Quote from: Grog on January 10, 2026, 05:47:48 PMThanks! They gave me a jolt & straightened my heart rhythm out, I just have to work on a couple likely causes so it doesn't happen again. I am a lifelong Minnesotan!
My youngest brother (@65) is a nurse and had Afib without being able to identify it for some time. He's OK, but it required a procedure to stop it. I hope you have a handle on it now.
I would like to amend a previous statement I made about Americans becoming the new barbarians. I wouldn't put Minnesota in that category. Minnesota appears to be cut from a different cloth. I don't know why.
In addition, there are a few notable figures from there. Bob Dylan, for instance, and F. Scott Fitzgerald. Also, I have a good friend from there. But that's mostly because we both like Gibson basses. He is the only person I personally know who is more obsessed with playing bass than I am.
There is a reason for the saying "Minnesota Nice."
There is also a reason for the normally nice folks to get REALLY pissed when something bad happens and they are lied to by everyone involved. They know darn well they have been betrayed and lied to.
Quote from: Pilgrim on January 11, 2026, 12:54:45 PMMy youngest brother (@65) is a nurse and had Afib without being able to identify it for some time. He's OK, but it required a procedure to stop it. I hope you have a handle on it now.
I feel great now but for a long time felt off. Last Wednesday it kind of came to a head. My magnesium was quite low from something & I was told by several of the medical staff to check for Sleep Apnea. When my lifelong dentist retired, my new dentist told me I had a high likelyhood of Sleep Apnea due to the way that I was grinding my teeth. I didn't want to sleep with one of those contraptions so I didn't take it too seriously. I'm taking it seriously now!
I mean in Germany we're Nazis and all, always follow orders and are ruthless in our jack boots, but even when we do deportations forcefully we don't shoot women in the face. Weird, I know.
But liebe Amerikaner:
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Tribalism never works out in the long run.
I don't think it would be fair to Dave to actually let this get political. Something which, of course, hasn't happened. Nevertheless, personally this is one instance in which I would actually like to say something political. Very political. This is kind of like one of those movies in which the werewolf asks someone to lock him up in a room for a while. Because he knows the full moon is coming out. And he knows once that happens, he may go berserk.
Another thing I keep in mind is that such a potentially volatile topic as this one could literally wreck the entire forum permanently. I've been on forums in which just one incident could just about destroy everything. I usually don't get emotional about politics. But this case is an exception. One close friendship with a non-musician is already being strained. When you've got two sides deeply locked into their fixed ideological positions, communication and comprehension can get very messed up. And when you've got somebody like me who is genuinely interested in being apolitical, that can get very confusing to people. I don't even care for politics much at all. But I do believe there is a difference between right and wrong. And I'm not going to let somebody's political ideology try to decide things like that for me.
"The time is always right to do what is right."
---Martin Luther King, Jr.