Sam Ash to close 18 of its 44 US stores (https://guitar.com/news/industry-news/sam-ash-set-to-close-18-stores-across-us/)
They've been advertising a15% off code on Facebook the past couple of weeks, applicable to anything in stock, even to brands with MAP. They're obviously in inventory reduction mode. Not a good sign.
Covid-related lockdown was probably the last time there will ever be a surge in guitar sales for these big, generic retailers with physical stores. Guitar 'culture' seems increasingly irrelevant and at odds with the direction popular music is taking. Coverage of NAMM from thus year looked especially desolate, with several major manufactures notable in their absence. Increasingly, guitar culture is becoming akin to baseball card collecting, with a smaller pool of hobbyists with deep pockets determining the discourse. $600 boutique overdrive pedals that never leave the 'man cave', etc.
Quote from: Alanko on March 08, 2024, 12:13:11 AM
Covid-related lockdown was probably the last time there will ever be a surge in guitar sales for these big, generic retailers with physical stores. Guitar 'culture' seems increasingly irrelevant and at odds with the direction popular music is taking. Coverage of NAMM from thus year looked especially desolate, with several major manufactures notable in their absence. Increasingly, guitar culture is becoming akin to baseball card collecting, with a smaller pool of hobbyists with deep pockets determining the discourse. $600 boutique overdrive pedals that never leave the 'man cave', etc.
Totally agree with the baseball card collecting reference. I see so much of it in the TalkBass Thunderbird group. WHY?
Not sure about guitar culture becoming irrelevant, though. I see a lot of really good younger players, and with the writeups about Taylor Swift influencing tons of young women to pick up a guitar.
They just closed the one near me (Buffalo Grove, IL). Kind of shocking while not shocking at all. I barely ever set foot in a music store anymore. I almost never buy a NEW bass, and I buy strings online.
And Alan's comments bring up something I've been thinking about a lot lately. The bubble is going to burst on things like guitars and muscle cars, and I'm sure a lot of other things. The people who worship these things are getting to the age where they're selling things off or dying. Guitars and cars are outrageously priced right now, but I don't see them as a good investment anymore. Their popularity won't go away completely, but demand will eventually plummet, and so will values. Just my opinion.
Everything seems better when looking back. We live in an era which will one day to a lot of people appear as "good old times".
I believe that rock will remain a sizable niche market (it already is) with some longevity. And to a young band still playing rock in say 2040, something like a 90ies TBird will be a thing of awe and wonder. My son who is in fashion buys old denim from 1890 or so or narrowly post-WWII beaver felt stocks for the California company he works for, he laughingly ascribes "vintage & mojo voodoo" to them. There is definitely a market for that and it's not nostalgic baby boomers, it's (well-to-do) people in their 20ies to 40ies.
I see your point, but look at the percentage of "well-to-do" people versus the general public. I still think supply will outpace demand.
Sad news.
https://youtu.be/TKxtNBwC9TM
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The small dinosaurs died first (mom and pop stores), but the larger ones followed in due course.
Quote from: uwe on March 08, 2024, 09:29:53 AM
Everything seems better when looking back.
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Quote from: Alanko on May 02, 2024, 03:40:25 PM
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🤣 Oh, so you did find a pic of a couple of Heinkel 111s in flying in formation rather than shot-down state? That was rare during the Battle of Britain.
The He 111 was a good-looking plane and also the reliable and robust backbone bomber of the Luftwaffe (all other available German bomber types were more fickle and fidgety), but nothing you could build a strategic bomber force with. As Mark once said, "flying artillery", that sums it up.
Sam Ash holds a special place in my heart. I'm sorry that the Huntington, NY store is already gone. It was the best-stocked store in driving distance from the north shore of Long Island where I grew up. As a young geeky aspiring rocker in the 80s, I constantly begged my mom to drive me the hour it took to get there, so I could meekly try to get the staff to let me play various basses. It was the time period when you might still hear "Stairway" from the guitar area mingling with endless repetitions of "Jump" from the ever-growing keyboard section.
I bought my first instrument there, a terrible Montoya thing that my mom paid $50 for at a used sale, as well as its replacement, the Ibanez Blazer that I still have. Got my first amp and pedals there too.
I hope they don't shut down all the locations. I'll have to go check out the remaining Manhattan store and see what's there.
Quote from: slinkp on May 03, 2024, 09:01:56 AM
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I hope they don't shut down all the locations. I'll have to go check out the remaining Manhattan store and see what's there.
It's official, all stores are closing.
https://www.samash.com/closing-stores
I bought my Kubicki Factor in their Manhattan store in 1988, sniff ...
Quote from: uwe on May 03, 2024, 06:04:44 AM
🤣 Oh, so you did find a pic of a couple of Heinkel 111s in flying in formation rather than shot-down state? That was rare during the Battle of Britain.
The He 111 was a good-looking plane and also the reliable and robust backbone bomber of the Luftwaffe (all other available German bomber types were more fickle and fidgety), but nothing you could build a strategic bomber force with. As Mark once said, "flying artillery", that sums it up.
I've seen the preserved He 111 in the RAF museum in Hendon (I'm 99% sure it is a Heinkel rather than a CASA, dressed up as a Luftwaffe aircraft). It is an elegant machine! Tucking the engines next to the fuselage, combined with the wing profile, make it look a bit more advanced than a lot of British designs. The Armstrong Whitworth Whitley, for example, definitely looks like it came from a prior era of aviation design despite being of similar age.
Yeah, the Hendon Museum is great, been there twice. Motörhead of course immortalized the Heinkel 111 look (with some artistic freedom like B-17 style lower gun turrets or exterior bombs which the He 111 did generally not have).
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Crews liked it as it was generally perceived as a warhorse that brought you home no matter what and didn't act up like the (performance-wise mostly superior) Ju 88 or the (visually more elegant) Do 17.
Editorial from Music Trades magazine.
The Collapse Of Sam Ash Music
How the internet revolution brought down a one-time industry leader?
In late February came the news that Sam Ash Music would be closing 18 of its 45 locations in order to "consolidate" and "focus resources on better performing stores." A month later, the Ash family delivered a bombshell, announcing that they were closing all stores and looking for a buyer to salvage their 100-year-old retail chain. The news elicited a torrent of emotion throughout the industry—sympathy for the travails of the Ash family, sadness at the closing an enterprise that launched the careers of innumerable musicians and industry professionals, and shock that a longstanding industry institution could crumble so quickly.
The collapse of a one-time industry leader underscores just how dramatically the internet has reshaped the retail landscape. Suppliers familiar with Sam Ash Music estimate that staffing and lease payments put the break-even point for its 20,000-square-foot locations well north of $6.0 million. With approximately 50% of music products sales now transacted online, generating that level of business at a brick and mortar store has become difficult, bordering on impossible. While Sam Ash operated a popular website, its online sales were obviously not sufficient to prop up the struggling stores.
Online retail enjoys inherent productivity advantages that are nearly impossible for a conventional brick and mortar store to match. Sales-per-employee for the typical online music retailer is over $700,000, versus $220,000 for brick and mortar. On a sales-per-square-foot basis, the disparity is even greater—industry leader Sweetwater generates revenue out of two distribution centers that rivals what Guitar Center produces from over 300 stores. These efficiencies allow for a broader selection—over 50,000 SKUs at Sweetwater versus 7,000 or 8,000 at a well-stocked conventional store.
The brick and mortar retailers able to prevail against the selection, convenience, and price of online rivals are those that deliver specialized service or a unique "in-person" buying experience. Think boutique guitar specialists like Gruhn Guitars of Nashville, or school music operations like Chicago-based Quinlan & Fabish. Providing this high level of person touch becomes harder as the number of locations increase, which explain the decline in the number of multi-outlet operations. In 1991 there were 17 retailers with 10 or more locations. Last year, excluding Guitar Center with its 558 locations (including Music & Arts) and Sam Ash, there were just five.
Sam Ash Music is the latest and most prominent victim of market shifts and changing consumer buying preferences. But, the story of its downfall is hardly unique. To say music retail has always been a risky undertaking is no overstatement. At Music Trades we began ranking the largest music products retailers by revenue in 1991. Of the 100 retailers that appeared on our first sales ranking, 68 are no longer doing business: 53 of the vanquished closed their doors outright, nine were acquired or merged with another retailer, and Guitar Center and its Music & Arts subsidiary acquired another five.
Some of the closures could be chalked up to a changing marketplace. Twenty piano and organ dealers that appeared on the first list, including once formidable operators like Sherman Clay, Organ Exchange, and Colton Piano were victims of a shrinking home keyboard market. Others could be traced to succession problems: second or third generation family management that lacked the skills or interest to keep the business afloat. Others like Reliable Music in North Carolina, Nadines of Los Angeles, or the Daddy's Junky Music chain succumbed to Guitar Center's aggressive store roll-out. The most recent casualties were victims of online powerhouses like Sweetwater and Amazon. Together, the two giants generated over $2.5 billion in revenue, roughly the equivalent of roughly 900 "average" storefronts. In total, 153 retailers that appeared on our retail ranking at some point over the past 33 years are no longer in business.
Home grown music stores are hardly the only ones that have stumbled due to managerial missteps or a changing market. A number of high-profile outsiders have also had "bad luck." Mark Begelman, who had built Office Depot into a multi-billion dollar chain, hoped to have similar success in the music business with his Music and Recording Superstore chain, better known as MARS. In 1996, he opened the first of 46 cavernous 40,000-square-foot locations, betting that sheer scale would provide an irresistible customer draw. Five years and $100 million in venture capital later, MARS entered liquidation.
Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen was among the first to recognize the potential of the internet, and in 1996 provided financing for zZounds.com, one of the industry's first online retailers. Unfortunately, his vision wasn't supported by a skilled management team and zZounds faltered within a few years. After closing, its domain name was taken over by American Musician Supply and continues today.
In 2008, Best Buy took a stab at music retail based on market research showing a strong overlap between guitar buyers and the typical Best Buy customer. Over a three year period, 100 well designed specialty "music stores within a store" were opened inside Best Buy locations across the country. At the end of 2011, the project was scrapped. Apparently, the customer overlap wasn't as strong as initial research suggested and Best Buy's consumer electronics sales staff was less adept at presenting m.i. gear.
The Ash family is a uniquely American success story. In 1924 Samuel Ashkenazy pawned his wife Rose's wedding ring and used the $400 proceeds to buy a tiny music store in Brooklyn. In the 1960s, on the strength of the Beatle boom, his sons Jerry and Paul, added locations throughout the New York metro area and established a reputation for marketing and merchandising savvy. In the 1990s, Jerry's sons Richard, David, and the late Sammy, expanded beyond New York opening locations in fourteen states. Regrettably, the business model that served them so well—big, well-sited stores, stocked with the best brands at low prices—no longer works as well as it once did.
In the early 1920s, Baldwin Piano & Organ Company executive Philip Wyman created one of the first truly national dealer networks, complete with formal sales agreements, inventory and consumer financing programs, and ample promotional support. Sharing his decades of experience in a 1955 Music Trades interview, Wyman declared, "music dealers usually have a 20 year life expectancy." After two decades, he noted, a majority close because of the owner's retirement, new competition, a "mistake," or some combination of all of the above. Phil Wyman wouldn't recognize much in today's music industry, however, his actuarial analysis is as true today as it ever was. This isn't a business for the weak of heart.
For a better understanding of the shifting music products retail channel, get your copy of Music Trades Top 200 report, which ranks the industry's leading retailers by revenue and productivity.
Brian T. Majeski
Editor?
sobering read , thank you.
No one is to blame, the times they are a-changing and have been for a while. Like cars taking the place of horses.
There will be a place for boutiques selling hi-end & vintage stuff to investment bankers, rock stars ("Can I help you with something, Mr Bonamassa?") traveling through with GAS and people looking for THAT ONE INSTRUMENT, essentially like art galleries - but not for budget, entry level and commodity stuff.
Still sad, SAM ASH was an institution.
I went to Sam Ash (Manhattan) last week, hoping to score some discounted cables.
Looks like I should have gone earlier! It was a sad sight. Barely anything left. Not a single instrument cable in the whole store!
No pedals either. Not even one six-string acoustic guitar in the place.
This was once a wall of guitars and amps:
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Not much in the bass section, though if one were inclined to buy this headless greenish monster, a $400 dollar discount might tempt.
Not me! But I couldn't resist picking it up to play it a little; something like that would be locked up high on the wall at a Guitar Center so nobody can breathe on it without permission. Here, nobody cared. I don't even own a fiver, and have never played a multiscale before, so I was curious to give it a try. No cables to hear it plugged in though. It felt... Interesting? Different? Not immediately obvious what the appeal of multiscale is, but it was surprisingly not as difficult to play as I would assume.
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It's too bad I'm not in the market for an Ampeg fridge cabinet. Half price! There were good deals on some Hartke gear too, but none of it was anything I needed.
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I did find a soft case (for guitar) to replace an old battered one, and a few random things from the mostly empty parts bin on one unattended counter (two gold Hipshot Ultralight tuners for $10 apiece; if they fit on anything I have I will have to pay a lot more than that for two more!)
Overall it had the feeling of a flea market after hours just before the cops sweep through to clear out the riffraff. Sad.
That's sad to see.
And now, apparently fake Sam Ash sales sites are popping up.
https://www.samash.com/fraudulent-websites
Quote from: Dave W on May 22, 2024, 10:10:28 AM
That's sad to see.
And now, apparently fake Sam Ash sales sites are popping up.
https://www.samash.com/fraudulent-websites
I'm sure one of them is selling the Brooklyn Bridge.
The Sam Ash brand will live on.
Sam Ash assets acquired for $15.2M (https://www.retaildive.com/news/sam-ash-assets-acquired-for-152m/720594/)
Rising from the Ash's ...
First time I've heard of a Mexican firm buying out a US retailer. Interesting.
Quote from: Pilgrim on July 05, 2024, 10:01:41 AM
First time I've heard of a Mexican firm buying out a US retailer. Interesting.
Ever heard of Bimbo Bakeries? Owned by Grupo Bimbo of Mexico, world's largest baker. They've bought up a lot of US companies, including Sara Lee, Ball Park and Entenmann's Bakery. They're now the largest baker in the US.
https://www.bimbobakeriesusa.com/our-brands
That's actually a good thing in my book - and I'm not trying to be nasty about the US or Sam Ash. The only solution to the migration pressure the Western World faces is the elevation of living standards via economic growth in countries like, say, Mexico. That is the thickest and highest wall imaginable, yet one that will still always let talent through (both ways).
The reason why very few people in the West draw conclusions from this is that (i) leveling other countries up is costly, (ii) it takes a long time. And neither politicians nor the media think in terms of decades anymore. And the electorate seems to have given up voting for long term goals - even if they make sense.
And yet: I am not historically aware that anything else has ever halted or diminsihed migratory pressure substantially and thoroughly in the long term. Any anthropologist will tell you.
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I certainly have nothing against it, whether it's a Mexican company or from any other country. It would be nice if they're successful at this venture.
Quote from: Dave W on July 05, 2024, 11:58:49 PM
I certainly have nothing against it, whether it's a Mexican company or from any other country. It would be nice if they're successful at this venture.
Agreed. I was aware of Bimbo but didn't realize the extent of their US holdings.
And I think Uwe is on target - it has been obvious for years that if the economic and political conditions were better in South American countries people wouldn't be leaving en masse to move North.
It drives me nuts that nowhere in the Western World a politician of repute has the guts to say this. Most people like to stay put unless they have to do otherwise, migratory cultures just for the heck of it or because it is historically imbued with them are few and far between, the world doesn't consist of mostly Gypsies or Irish Travellers (and those tend to be passing through as opposed to settling down). In essence, people move for a better chance in life for them and their (prospective) children. That is an age-old motivation that covers war, starvation, unemployment, political and religious refugees, even gold diggers looking for Eldorado.
The money is there, it just needs to be channelled.Which is an issue in itself because only parts of it will be used effectively, there will be corruption in receiving countries, misuse and you might even have to deal with someone as unsavory as the Taliban simply because they are in power. But in the end, some of it will trickle down and effect changes. Total alignment of living standards worldwide is a not realistic, but then a narrowing of the gap would be sufficient for most migrants to say "what we have here already and what we might have here tomorrow might not be quite as good as what we might have there, but it is still too valuable to leave it all behind, the risks of relocalization and a likewise uncertain future there". You will then still have some people that want to enter a Western country to become millionaires there and/or push drugs, but that is then a small-scale migratory problem than can be handled.
And I'm not even sure whether such a worldwide program would be that much more expensive than all the money and resources the West is currently pouring in fending off unwanted migration via purely knee-jerk-defensive measures which prove mostly futile. Figuratively speaking, the walls we should be building/financing are dam walls there.
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Is that so hard to understand?
(Dave, you can nuke this if it 's taking us down the wrong road...)
I wish it were simple. IMO the problem in most of those South American countries is the political leaders oppressing the citizens, or crime cartels that are out of control. There is indeed money in all of these countries, but their own governments aren't using it to solve their country's problems. That's an old story.
Pouring money into a country to build its economy and opportunity can't solve many problems if it goes into the pockets of a dictator or corrupt government. The alternative would seem to be using US muscle to replace the bad guy with a good buy, but the US has a really lousy record of regime-building; most of its efforts at replacing bad guys with good guys have eventually gone bad when the "good guy" turns into the next dictator.
Maybe we should try pressure from the US along with dangling some financial support? For all I know we're already doing it? I'm neither a diplomat nor a South America expert, so my ideas are nothing more than a SWAG.
It's not just a US/South America issue, it applies to Europe and Africa/Middle East as well.
I guess the conventional wisdom with nation building via foreign military intervention is by now that it very rarely works (and not only if Americans do it). Evolution and the natural decay of no good governments have more lasting results.
Yes, corruption and inefficiencies are huge issues, but they are facts of life. I don't think we have the time for the whole world to become text book democratic and squeaky-clean non-corrupt until we begin equalizing living standards. Plus: Higher standards of living lead to democratization in the long run. Even a place like Saudi Arabia is no longer inert.
Summary: People ruin everything
Yeah, but we're kinda stuck with them!
And I don't know whether the world would really be a better place if dinosaurs had become an intelligent species and ruled it today. OTOH, Jerry the Drac always seemed like a decent guy to get along with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDJn4RBuVs
They're actually working on a remake, it certainly deserves (a good) one.
https://screenrant.com/enemy-mine-remake-confirmation-updates/
It would actually make a good series, there are parts in the original novella left unexplored in the 1985 movie (for budget reasons most likely). Like Jerry's child Zammis returning to the Drac planet, yet failing to assimilate there and getting put away in a Drac mental home until Davidge becomes the first human ambassador to the Drac planet (having before become a wealthy man by having the Dracs' Holy Scriptures translated into various human languages with the aid of priests, Rabbis, Imans and Buddhist monks whereby they become a bestseller), freeing Zammis from the asylum and helping him undergo the necessary rites you need for acceptance in Drac society which is a theocracy. In this day and age, people should see its message more often/again.