I dig this.
https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Guitar/DMO8GH244/Non-Reverse-Thunderbird-Bass/Sparkling-Burgundy
And diggable it is, amen!
Does he who doesn't collect for fins collect for pickup placement? 8)
It's sold. The pickguard shape on the upper horn is a bit peculiar.
Ja, the PG was probably what kept me from buying it..........My flesh is damn weak :-*
Quote from: BeeTL on January 06, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
It's sold. The pickguard shape on the upper horn is a bit peculiar.
Yeah. Wonder what happened there
Quote from: gearHed289 on January 06, 2022, 09:48:40 AM
Does he who doesn't collect for fins collect for pickup placement? 8)
He who withstood the garish lure of collecting for fins is currently without space for ze colleckshün (it's been in storage for a year now) and hasn't touched a bass string for the last half year due to the breakup of his last band. I'm in bass menopause and totally frustrated about it. :-\
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe, The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe and The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
Same in the US, or at least in NYC. Young people do originals but we're too old for them. People around our age mostly just want to do covers. Over the summer I lucked out and found a group around our ages who does all originals. It's really hard to find, though.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe, The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
It isn't much better here. I'll turn 60 in May. At least I still have my jazzier side, with a dixieland group and a swing-era style big band, and a weird mideastern-influenced surf band, so that's 3 weekly rehearsals to keep me in shape. But I'd like to be in an original material rock band and that's almost impossible now.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 09:02:47 AM
And diggable it is, amen!
And affordable, at $100 below standard NR. I could be tempted, had it not been sold already. The guard looks chipped but I assume I could warm up to it.
Originals are wasted on the young...or, perhaps not. YMMV.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe, The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
Not just in Germany. And also if you're ten years younger.
Tribute bands have become a plague among live bands.
Quote from: Basvarken on January 07, 2022, 01:05:53 AM
Not just in Germany. And also if you're ten years younger.
Tribute bands have become a plague among live bands.
Nobody cares about your art - they wanna hear the new Drake Collab. And as a musician ages they tend to want a steadier paycheque - some of those tribute bands make good cake.
Quote from: Granny Gremlin on January 07, 2022, 06:50:07 AM
Nobody cares about your art - they wanna hear the new Drake Collab. And as a musician ages they tend to want a steadier paycheque - some of those tribute bands make good cake.
I never made music to make money. I just wanted to make music with people I like. And try to be a good as possible within the limits of my talent.
Most of the tribute bands are just proof of poverty of creativity. And lots of them just plain suck. (wearing a tophat and a curly wig doesn't give you the talent/skills of Slash for example)
Quote from: Basvarken on January 07, 2022, 07:10:59 AM
I never made music to make money. I just wanted to make music with people I like. And try to be a good as possible within the limits of my talent.
Seldom has my thought been put more accurately. I like surf, classic rock, and most recently have played country. All covers, all fun. I'd love to get back to doing that.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
He who withstood the garish lure of collecting for fins is currently without space for ze colleckshün (it's been in storage for a year now) and hasn't touched a bass string for the last half year due to the breakup of his last band. I'm in bass menopause and totally frustrated about it. :-\
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe, The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
Oh, sorry to hear that. I'll be 58 a week from Monday. I have recently kind of unofficially retired from the standard cover band scene. It was fun and quite profitable for a while, but my heart's not in it. Chicago has a huge cover band scene, but over the past 3-4 years, there seems to be more sub-par bands playing for cheap, so it's hard to make good money anymore. I am currently very, very happy with my original band Nomadic Horizon, and the Peter Gabriel tribute I play with, Big Time. I am also looking to possibly do a tribute to John Wetton, covering Crimson, UK, and Asia. That will probably be a one-off if I do it at all. Thankfully this town is crawling with amazing musicians.
Please, do not bother about anything as uninteresting as age. I just turned 74, still playing bass in the Jukon Speakers in northern Sweden. Maybe one or two gigs/year. Does not really matter that it's seldom. I've done the business style too, lived on the four strings. Possible when you're young, harder with a family. Our music nowadays is only our own material. it's the old Take it or leave it style.
Following melody is from the days when I was almost just a kid. Hadn't even turned 68... Anyways, here are Jukon Speakers on the Guitar Museum in Umeå. Since then sorrow has affected us. Our drummer, Lasse Gillén, left for heaven ten month ago. So we got another one. Who's both a drummer, and a Lasse. Banksjö, that is. Retired academic, with a longing for playing music.
Let's go. Hope you can watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYztpzBAbsE&t=16s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYztpzBAbsE&t=16s
Sorry. I understand you can't watch the video, maybe even outside of Sweden. Well, that's life. Somtimes you get what you want, other times you don't get what you need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkCO_cuWD9c
I pretty much gave up any rock star dreams when I started playing in blues bands back in the mid 70's . And after doing the Maritime circuit for so many years I got sick of road food and bad hotels .
So by avoiding travel I was just going to be doing the odd session and the local bars . And having a normal life . The best case scenario was going to be working with some really good musicians and fairly steady work . I managed a second career doing commercial studio photography . (That translates as years shooting grocery flyers , and whatever came up . I worked first in the larger studios , and then opened my own and ran that for years .
Finally retired , closed the studio , and continue to play the bars . I'm about to hit 70 ! And I put in a lot of personal practice time . I manage to learn stuff all the time .
Aside from the pandemic closures I've managed to gig a lot . I play familiar rooms , generally know the regulars and love to get out , drive my amp around , and play . It's good .
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
He who withstood the garish lure of collecting for fins is currently without space for ze colleckshün (it's been in storage for a year now) and hasn't touched a bass string for the last half year due to the breakup of his last band. I'm in bass menopause and totally frustrated about it. :-\
If you're 61, don't want to play covers or be a tribute, but do your own stuff in a vein that is somewhere between Be-Bop Deluxe, The Cars and Tin Machine, you're royally f***ed in Germany.
At this point I haven't put a band back together and I'm a bit wishy washy about it mostly due to Covid, but we'll see. I will suggest repatriation for Ze Collection, Frank and I could build a nice climate controlled facility to house them all, and of course you can visit anytime. :mrgreen:
Quote from: TBird1958 on January 08, 2022, 11:47:53 AM
At this point I haven't put a band back together and I'm a bit wishy washy about it mostly due to Covid, but we'll see. I will suggest repatriation for Ze Collection, Frank and I could build a nice climate controlled facility to house them all, and of course you can visit anytime. :mrgreen:
Perhaps it's time for Kolleksion East and Kolleksion West? A nice branch near Seattle??
Quote from: Pilgrim on January 08, 2022, 01:47:40 PM
Perhaps it's time for Kolleksion East and Kolleksion West? A nice branch near Seattle??
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Basvarken on January 07, 2022, 07:10:59 AM
I never made music to make money. I just wanted to make music with people I like. And try to be a good as possible within the limits of my talent.
Most of the tribute bands are just proof of poverty of creativity. And lots of them just plain suck. (wearing a tophat and a curly wig doesn't give you the talent/skills of Slash for example)
Well that's true as well. But there is a trend to tribute bands being composed of older musicians. Maybe not so much trying to make money at it so much as not losing so much money at it.
Quote from: Stjofön Big on January 07, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Sorry. I understand you can't watch the video, maybe even outside of Sweden. Well, that's life. Somtimes you get what you want, other times you don't get what you need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkCO_cuWD9c
I can see all three. I know I've seen this one (from Umeå Live) on your FB timeline, and I think I've seen the others. All good stuff!
Interesting bass. I wonder how it sounds with the pickups in more extreme locations. If nothing else it looks like they cranked down the bridge pickup a little too keenly and distorted the pickup cover.
Quote from: Pilgrim on January 08, 2022, 01:47:40 PM
Perhaps it's time for Kolleksion East and Kolleksion West? A nice branch near Seattle??
If the Gibson bass reich is on the move, it's coming to Norway pretty quick I suppose🙂
Quote from: amptech on January 15, 2022, 01:53:24 AM
If the Gibson bass reich is on the move, it's coming to Norway pretty quick I suppose🙂
On skis. ;)
Oh yeah, we still have some old maps.
(https://i.redd.it/ovkzn3nswz261.jpg)
With some support from indigenous volunteers, I can't really see what should go wrong!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/6196/6055223374_7f16e9cfe2_b.jpg)
Just make sure to go the usual route through Sweden:
(https://bakomkulissernabiz.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/26234-file.jpg?w=697&zoom=2)
(https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/nu_och_da/tyska-soldater-Sverige-tag-andra-varldskriget.jpg)
Touché! :mrgreen:
Yes, those transit "rights" and the iron ore deliveries ... Nothing to be proud of.
But that same Sweden was responsible for saving the majority of Danish Jews (after they had been valiantly protected by their own population) and its Red Cross (after negotiations with Himmler) saved many concentration camp inmates from murder in the last months of the war, those "white busses" are legendary (and there was no commitment from the Allies - who feared some Nazi trick - that they would not be strafed by roaming USAAF or RAF fighters, the Luftwaffe had by then lost all air space control over Germany).
(https://img.abendblatt.de/img/norderstedt/crop232022565/5317659989-w1200-cv16_9-q85/c61a463e-9b71-11eb-bec8-fc48e213a7b3.jpg)
(https://wkgeschichte.weser-kurier.de/app/uploads/2021/06/dichtes-gedra%CC%88nge-Alternative.jpg)
Sometimes you have to get real close to evil to do good. Staying neutral isn't always black and white, lots of grey in between. There was a saying in (likewise neutral) Switzerland during the war which I'm sure caught Swedish sentiment as well:
A true Swiss citizen does flourishing business with the German Reich six days a week - and goes to church on Sunday praying fervently the Allies may win the war.
But sometimes a little good can still emanate from something awfully bad, without the Wehrmacht occupation of Norway from 1940-45, we would have never had her:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/a0/13/eba0131e070c9f83c24b46f1f4c09719.jpg)
Frida's mother was Norwegian, her dad a Wehrmacht soldier stationed there, people are people,
(https://dirkdeklein.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/1330-image.jpg)
but after the Third Reich's surrender, Norway, perhaps understandably so, wasn't a good place to stay for a single Norwegian mother with a Tyskerbarna daughter fathered by a German Landser. So the two moved to Sweden, stayed there and the rest is (another part of) history.
Talk about non reverse...
A most lucid observation, Ilan, everything leads to the ultimate core of things.
Quote from: uwe on January 16, 2022, 04:28:16 PM
But sometimes a little good can still emanate from something awfully bad, without the Wehrmacht occupation of Norway from 1940-45, we would have never had her:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/a0/13/eba0131e070c9f83c24b46f1f4c09719.jpg)
Frida's mother was Norwegian, her dad a Wehrmacht soldier stationed there, people are people,
but after the Third Reich's surrender, Norway, perhaps understandably so, wasn't a good place to stay for a single Norwegian mother with a Tyskerbarna daughter fathered by a German Landser. So the two moved to Sweden, stayed there and the rest is (another part of) history.
My wife's grandfather was a german officer stationed in Finnmark, way north. He was gone before the war was over, and was probably never mentioned again. The single mother stayed up there, but it's understandable why many left. Even today it's troublesome bringing it up. My wife is determined to find out if we have family alive in germany but all we have is a name and where he was stationed - not much to go on.
That can't have been easy - "
tyske teusse" comes to mind. There were about 14.000 German-Norwegian children from the occupation. 18 million German men served in the
Wehrmacht and the
Waffen-SS, they left a DNA trail all over Western and Eastern Europe in the years of occupation, via romance, rape and prostitution.
Has your wife tried this here:
https://www.bundesarchiv.de/EN/Navigation/Use/Using-specific-types/Military-Records/military-records-en.html
(https://www.bundesarchiv.de/DE/Content/Bilder/Gebaeude/berlin-reinickendorf-wast.jpg?__blob=normal&height=433&key=XL)
These guys are - since 2019 - the legal successors of the "
Deutsche Dienststelle für die Benachrichtigung der nächsten Angehörigen von Gefallenen der ehemaligen deutschen Wehrmacht" (an authority which initially only informed families of fallen Wehrmacht soldiers, but which also provided info to the foreign children of German military personnel).
Not all the files are in Berlin, some are stored in Freiburg:
- Bundesarchiv, Abteilung Militärarchiv, Wiesentalstraße 10, 79115 Freiburg, 0761/47817-0, Fax 0761/47817-900, E-Mail: militaerarchiv@bundesarchiv.de
- Bundesarchiv, Abteilung Reich, Postfach 450569, 12175 Berlin, 030/18777-0, Fax 030/187770-111: E-Mail: berlin@bundesarchiv.de (u.a. Unterlagen zur SS, Waffen-SS, SA)
- Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), Eichborndamm 179, 13403 Berlin, 030/41904-0; http://www.dd-wast.de
There is also someone in Oslo she might turn to:
Knut-Erich Papendorf
(https://www.jus.uio.no/ikrs/english/people/aca/knutp/bilder/knutp.jpg)
https://www.jus.uio.no/ikrs/english/people/aca/knutp/
He's a retired criminologist, shares the ancestry of your wife's mother (his father was a German soldier too) and has written on the subject.
https://www.apollon.uio.no/artikler/2021/4_tyskerjentene.html
I would imagine him to have retained some contacts and useful hints from his own search for his father. Since he publishes criminology- and law-related articles in German too, he's probably fluent.
If you have your wife's grandfather's name, a location where he was stationed (and roughly when) plus the fact that he was an officer, then I believe they have enough to work on. The
Bundesarchiv is not fast - an answer can take almost a year - but they are "
fastidious and precise" (Freddie Mercury!) plus motivated by the fact that each query has a personal fate behind it. They still have several thousands of queries each year and try to answer them all. Good luck!
Thanks a lot, Uwe! My wife greatly appreciate it :)
See, you can now tell her that this forum is not just about old men and their anal sex obsessions!
Very cool info.
So a Gibson employee makes an untidy bass and because of that somewone might find her family back.
Butterfly effect. :popcorn:
Chaos theory at work. I'm actually a great believer in that. I'm not a spiritual person at all (Hey, but didn't Uwe just write he's "a great believer" in something?!), but things happen randomly with surprising outcomes all the time with no master plan or supernatural guidance. That is apparently highly disconcerting to a lot of people, hence the enduring and ever rising popularity of conspiracy theories, there seems to lie quasi-religious comfort in them.
Chance is my favourite factor!
It would be great to find family in Germany, I have only pit-stopped in köln and kiel to buy beer and düsseldörfer mustard🙂
Pah, your Viking DNA is probably spread everywhere!
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67706c0000bebb61fc8d88230abd08517d4794)