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Title: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: westen44 on March 09, 2021, 03:00:09 PM
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/how-gibson-rescued-epiphone-in-the-late-1950s
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: morrow on March 09, 2021, 04:28:33 PM
That was an interesting read .
Thank you .
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: BTL on March 09, 2021, 06:55:47 PM
It's a shame he recanted the story...:mrgreen:
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: westen44 on March 09, 2021, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: morrow on March 09, 2021, 04:28:33 PM
That was an interesting read .
Thank you .

You're welcome.  But we can wait for comments which may include corrections to the article.  I was a little surprised they talked about basses as much as they did, though. 
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Dave W on March 09, 2021, 09:39:35 PM
Good read.

It's definitely true that Gibson put Epi in stores that didn't have Gibson. But regardless of what Mat Koehler sees at his end looking back at historical memos, Epis weren't regarded by the public as any kind of custom shop. They were Gibson-quality equivalents.

The tongue-in-cheek comment about the inventory not changing during the time the purchase was in progress was probably accurate. I've read else where that Epi production had been at a dead standstill for some time.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Stjofön Big on March 10, 2021, 02:36:53 AM
Many thanks for a most interesting read!
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: westen44 on March 10, 2021, 02:53:31 AM
Quote from: Stjofön Big on March 10, 2021, 02:36:53 AM
Many thanks for a most interesting read!

You're welcome.  I get Google news recommendations based on my interests and that's the kind of thing they come up with sometimes. 
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: ilan on March 10, 2021, 06:49:06 AM
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. 
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: westen44 on March 10, 2021, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: ilan on March 10, 2021, 06:49:06 AM
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting.

You're welcome.  Some interesting historical tidbits there. 
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Pilgrim on March 11, 2021, 12:07:21 PM
Very interesting, especially that Gibson wanted the bass violin line and ended up with the whole factory!

I recall reading that at the Matsushita factory, Gibson sent their guitar techs to show the Japanese workers how to build Epis and the other brands like Univox that were coming out of that factory.  I have an early 70's Univox "Coily" which is basically a clone of a Gibson 335 or an equivalent Epi.

Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on March 11, 2021, 05:05:40 PM
Stone me, but none of the Epi solidbody designs - guitar or bass - ever excited me. I think they were visually vastly outclassed by Fender, Rickenbacker and Gibson. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was one reason for their demise. Come the early 70ies, who still played Epi electrics?

That says nothing about their quality though.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: ilan on March 12, 2021, 12:48:37 AM
Not even the early slab Coronet?

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Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on March 12, 2021, 07:23:18 AM
No, but then I'm no fan of the LP Junior shape either. My favorite guitar and bass shapes tend to be Fire-/Thunderbird, Explorer, Flying V, Stratocaster, Ric 4001/4003, Jazz Bass. All those shapes have one thing in common: Ergonomic as some of them might be, they go beyond the utilitarian (plus - with the noteworthy exception of the Flying V - they're all non-symetric). I like some flourish in my shapes. Anything "slab" already raises my suspicion (though, in a strict sense, V, Explorer and Ric are slab too). I'm more the renaissance type!  :mrgreen:

The ultimate (albeit somewhat juvenile) Uwe Hornung axe design test of course is ... would the guitar shape have fitted in with these guys?  :)

(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/1-judas-priest-album-cover-shoot-fin-costello.jpg)
No Coronet there, right?  8)

Slab only works with this lot.

(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article4532457.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Status-Quo-perform-live-on-stage-at-Ahoy-Rotterdam.jpg)

And him of course, nuff said.

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Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: SlamDamm on March 30, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
I remember when the Epiphone headstock logo was just inserted into a cavity clearly already routed out for the Gibson logo. 8)
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Basvarken on March 31, 2021, 02:25:27 AM
Quote from: uwe on March 12, 2021, 07:23:18 AM
No, but then I'm no fan of the LP Junior shape either.

Quote from: uwe on March 12, 2021, 07:23:18 AM
Slab only works with this lot.

Works for me...

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(https://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/brooks-eb-rbl-q-ii_orig.jpg)
(https://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/brooks-eb-pl-noir1500_orig.jpg)

And also with this shape

(https://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/brooks-telebird-body-angle-1500_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on March 31, 2021, 07:17:07 AM
A lot of people like the Junior look, it escapes me why. Tranquil symmetry bores me, a Feng Shui bass.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Basvarken on March 31, 2021, 07:27:31 AM
Well... it isn't exactly symmetrical. The upper horn is a little bit longer than the lower one.  8)

I really like the simplicity of the design. That shape and the single ply pickguard -in my opinion- visually combines well with the 51 P single coil.
That's why I built a few of these :-)
Funny enough many people recognise a Hamer bass in my builds rather than a 1959 EB-0. And asked me to leave the pickguard.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: morrow on March 31, 2021, 09:14:39 AM
I always loved them and was really happy to see the reissue .
Great little bass .
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2021, 02:58:44 AM
I'm even playing my original banjo tuner one currently in our rehearsal room, so I'm not holding its look against it! But I generally prefer larger and more outlandish looking bodies, I'm a great fan of the Iceman und Parker Fly shapes for instance.

The kind of shapes you would marvel at before a guitar shop window as an adolescent.  :mrgreen: My first bass was a South Korean 'Johnny Guitar' Jazz Bass knock-off whose look did nothing for me, I was in love with the unaffordable - Burns Flyte bass the shop also had for years.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Basvarken on April 01, 2021, 03:46:28 AM
Quote from: uwe on April 01, 2021, 02:58:44 AM
I was in love with the unaffordable - Burns Flyte bass the shop also had for years.
Which is perfectly symmetrical... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on April 06, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
Yeah, like a Flying V, but its edgy and pointy, not rounded. That said, I'm currently playing my LP Junior a lot, looks don't matter to me anymore!  :mrgreen: It plays real nice and someone has to devote some attention to the poor ugly thing.
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: Dave W on April 06, 2021, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: uwe on April 06, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
Yeah, like a Flying V, but its edgy and pointy, not rounded. That said, I'm currently playing my LP Junior a lot, looks don't matter to me anymore!  :mrgreen: It plays real nice and someone has to devote some attention to the poor ugly beautiful thing.

Fixed it for you.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: morrow on April 29, 2021, 05:38:48 PM
I'm not sure why , but I picked up a Riverhead Unicorn bass last year .
I read the factory burned down and they never opened again .
But it's a fun thing .
Glad you like the DC , Uwe .

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fqqXcmb/458-CC9-C9-D1-C4-4151-AF0-D-19-D2-F138-A80-D.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Title: Re: How Gibson Rescued Epiphone in the Late 1950s
Post by: uwe on May 03, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
That does look like the legendary Flyte alright!!!