Since Deep Purple rarely receives any attention here, I decided to do my part to change that a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dlFqX_q2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4fDCwDiWJQ
Too tame! :mrgreen:
Glenn is ahead of the beat and sloppier - he never rehearses his bass playing und generally records everything first or second take - in his own ingenious way:
https://youtu.be/a2OakB8fg-w
This guy seems to be best at the Allman Brothers and Cream. It's strictly a guess, but I would guess someone requested this particular song. He just got that SG recently. Any time he plays it it instantly catches my eye, since it's an ebony SG just like mine. Everything I've ever heard from Glenn Hughes, though, I've liked. It's different from what I'm used to. I tend to be more impressed by people like that who can do what I can't. My tendency is to play behind the beat, which is very typical of Southern rock.
It's near possible to even approximate Glenn's "snarling piano'"-sound on this track with a short scale Gibson - even though Glenn was initially a Fender guy, he played a Ric on Burn (the album) and during his first couple of months with Purple - no doubt wishing to follow Roger Glover's footprints (though Roger's Ric never sounded as snarly, he didn't pick as hard as Glenn either). Glenn didn't feel comfortable with a Ric and reverted to Fenders pretty soon though.
Speaking of Glenn Hughes, if he isn't beating Sting at his own game on this, he is certainly coming very close. Believe me, I appreciate Sting. But damn, the vocals here are great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppdqN9zOow8
I defintely think so too, but Glenn's vocals rub a lot of people (my wife for one: "He sings well, but I hate his tone and those falsetto shrieks give me headaches ...") I know the wrong way - always have. A mystery to me, I find him to be the George Michael of hard rock. That good.
Yet ... for some reason, many music lovers I know find this little ditty here divisive ... :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/zNq3rNgrSYA
But he can tone down as well. I guess that Stevie Wonder-derived throatiness is a matter of taste. (Glenn once even auditioned with Earth, Wind & Fire, they deemed him "too rock" . 8) )
https://youtu.be/EmDgOagf9Ps
This is subjective to a degree, but I think many people try to make it too subjective. A person either does or does not have vocal talent. I can see why some people might object a little to all the high notes in "Georgia on My Mind." but it's still a stellar performance. Great singers are just so rare. Vocals aren't valued as highly as they used to be. We have auto-tune now. Christina Aguilera expressed it best with her T-shirt which said "Auto-tune is for pussies."
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It should be noted for the record, I'm not actually a Christina Aguilera fan. I wouldn't even be able to name one of her songs. However, Jack Bruce once said in an interview that he would be interested in playing bass for her.
I was just listening to Burn (the album) on the way to work today. I've been listening to You Fool No One repeatedly this week. ;D I can understand how Glenn's shrieks can grate on some people, but I've come to love and appreciate what he's done.
People make the same kind of complaint about Matt Bellamy's vocals. I think they're fine, although Glenn Hughes is better than Matt Bellamy as a vocalist. My complaint with Muse is that they went too much from rock to pop through the years. I remember being in Ireland in 2006. There was a magazine on the newsstand asking the question would Muse be able to top the "Absolution" album. The answer I think is they were not. But that's neither here nor there.
Quote from: westen44 on August 14, 2020, 05:35:20 AM
This is subjective to a degree, but I think many people try to make it too subjective. A person either does or does not have vocal talent. I can see why some people might object a little to all the high notes in "Georgia on My Mind." but it's still a stellar performance. Great singers are just so rare. Vocals aren't valued as highly as they used to be. We have auto-tune now. Christina Aguilera expressed it best with her T-shirt which said "Auto-tune is for pussies."
Agreed. I hold Glenn Hughes as one of the greatest vocalists around, but that does'nt mean I worship everything he does with his voice. He often seems to get excited overdoing his performance. Still i kind of buy it because it shows his passion, even if it sometimes borders to cringeworthy. My favorite Glenn Hughes vocals are when he skips the falsetto and goes into pure soul or rock mode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uVYOWdvz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IToCC2knTY
^^^
I totally agree with you and think you're right on target.
Muse are a phenomenon I don't really get. I find their music bloated, pretentious, mannered und curiously devoid of life or grit. That is possibly horrendously unfair, but I have a couple of their CDs, old und new, sometimes dig them out to perhaps find something I overheard, but their music leaves me cold everytime. And the vocals sound "wailing" to me.
I'm not knocking them as musicians, they obviously have a concept and perform their stuff well. Horses for courses.
Quote from: westen44 on August 07, 2020, 04:09:14 AM
Since Deep Purple rarely receives any attention here, I decided to do my part to change that a bit ...
;D ;D ;D That only registered with me now!!! I hate stealthy irony! ;)
Quote from: uwe on August 15, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Muse are a phenomenon I don't really get. I find their music bloated, pretentious, mannered und curiously devoid of life or grit. That is possibly horrendously unfair, but I have a couple of their CDs, old und new, sometimes dig them out to perhaps find something I overheard, but their music leaves me cold everytime. And the vocals sound "wailing" to me.
I'm not knocking them as musicians, they obviously have a concept and perform their stuff well. Horses for courses.
My friend who is a Gibson guitar aficionado feels pretty much the same. She lives far away, but by coincidence was visiting here in December 2004 when I essentially discovered Muse by buying the "Absolution" CD. I was immediately drawn to the post-apocalyptic vibe. When she does make a comment about a Muse song, I usually have to respond by saying something like "but that's one of their worst songs." So, the point is she doesn't relate to Muse, but understands why I do. However, the main criticism I keep hearing is about Matt Bellamy's vocals. I can adjust to that, kind of like I can adjust to Hendrix who also wasn't really a great vocalist. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't get on my nerves the way it seems to do with other people.
However, like I've already indicated "Absolution" was their best album, IMO. On some of the albums which followed, I have to skip over some of the songs and I can't even listen to an album as a whole. Overall, I guess their music just became too commercialized and too much like pop music. Being associated with teenage vampire movies didn't help at all. That's something Chris Wolstenholme has said he wasn't too happy about, either. Muse has a loyal fan base in the U.S., but I think there are still many people who never knew who they were. I once was asking about a Muse CD in a store and the much younger clerk asked me if they were a band from the 80s.
Quote from: uwe on August 15, 2020, 06:28:17 AM
;D ;D ;D That only registered with me now!!! I hate stealthy irony! ;)
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Based on this thread, I gave the newish Muse album (the one with the mock cinema poster cover) a spin in my car yesterday. I can just about live with Bellamy's vocals, but the artificial drum sound and synth-drenched arrangements drive(s) me mad. Plus the strange mix of shoegazer introspective lightweight prog vocal melodies and 80ies dance synth pop doesn't really ignite with me. It's neither dumb enough, to feel good about, nor deep enough to be intriguing. In places it sounds like Laura Brannigan meets Porcupine Tree. Now I like both, but not a the same time!
I never had a problem with Matt's vocals, but I kind of get why some people do, and it's similar to why people have a problem with Glenn - they're both oftentimes over the top with their delivery. That can be said about a LOT of singers, but I guess these guys manage to hit the wrong nerve with a lot of the listening public. I immediately fell in love with Muse with the Absolution album. I love Black Holes and the Resistance, but they started to lose me with the 2nd Law. I bought Drones, but only listened a few times. Seen them live 4-5 times, and they always deliver.
Quote from: uwe on August 17, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
Based on this thread, I gave the newish Muse album (the one with the mock cinema poster cover) a spin in my car yesterday. I can just about live with Bellamy's vocals, but the artificial drum sound and synth-drenched arrangements drive(s) me mad. Plus the strange mix of shoegazer introspective lightweight prog vocal melodies and 80ies dance synth pop doesn't really ignite with me. It's neither dumb enough, to feel good about, nor deep enough to be intriguing. In places it sounds like Laura Brannigan meets Porcupine Tree. Now I like both, but not a the same time!
Even I can barely listen to that album, and I'm supposedly a Muse fan. To me I think they had three pretty solid albums. That would be Absolution, Black Holes and Revelations, and The Resistance. That's 2003, 2009 and 2009. By 2009 there was a lot of disillusionment going on with the fan base. Many hated The Resistance. I had problems with it, too, but I thought it did have some good songs. By 2012 with The 2nd Law there were some terrible songs emerging such as "Madness" and "Panic Station." Also, Matt Bellamy even started turning over a few songs on that album to Chris Wolstenholme.
However, i really wouldn't judge Muse by the newest album. If even someone like me has serious problems with it, I wouldn't know what to expect from others.
Despite everything I've said here, there is the original fan base to consider. That was before I knew about Muse. From what I gather, there are still a number of people out there who were big fans of the Origin of Symmetry album (2001) and have barely been able to listen to anything Muse has done since then. Some of these people don't even like the Absolution album.
Correction:
Black Holes and Revelations came out in 2006.
Quote from: gearHed289 on August 17, 2020, 10:06:04 AM
I never had a problem with Matt's vocals, but I kind of get why some people do, and it's similar to why people have a problem with Glenn - they're both oftentimes over the top with their delivery. That can be said about a LOT of singers, but I guess these guys manage to hit the wrong nerve with a lot of the listening public. I immediately fell in love with Muse with the Absolution album. I love Black Holes and the Resistance, but they started to lose me with the 2nd Law. I bought Drones, but only listened a few times. Seen them live 4-5 times, and they always deliver.
I can identify with much of what you say. Except after a while I did begin liking the 2nd Law album the more I listened to it. I felt the good songs began to balance out the bad ones and the album was easier to tolerate.
As an aside, I just noticed in the notes that Tove Lo provided some backup vocals to one of the songs on the newest album. She is the Swedish singer who sometimes takes off her top during her performances. Maybe if she had done that for one of the Muse videos it could have created some excitement for this album. Actually, I'm at the point that I take her as seriously as an artist as I do Muse. But I still do value some of those great Muse albums from the past. There is no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I'll have to re-listen to some of the earlier stuff.
I remember an interview where the drummer of Muse said that he hated playing with clicks live initially (because of all the sequencing they do), but now feels weird without them. I thought he sounds like one of those Ritalin kids that still take that stuff when they are in college because they can't concentrate without it.
Speaking of: That is one of my few parenting deeds I'm still proud of. When my son was around 2nd to 5th grade, teachers tried to nudge us again and again into doping him down with Ritalin ("It will make things easier for him." ) We would have none of it. Sure enough, he did not turn into a lawyer or an investment banker, but he's now 26 und designing fashion for some hip Californian hatmaker. Every other family member is better than him at reading a clock face, but no one could draw and create like he can.
I haven't read much about the drummer Dominic Howard. I did read that he was a huge Hendrix fan. So is Matt Bellamy, though. Howard said in an interview Hendrix was the celebrity he would most like to meet if he could meet anyone who had ever lived. Bellamy said he was attracted to the sci-fi aspects of Jimi Hendrix's music. I can relate to that.
They have all moved to different cities now. But I have three relatives who have displayed some ADD or ADHP characteristics through the years. I never had anything like that myself. But now that I think about it those tend to be the relatives I always got along with the best. All of them are gifted and one operates at near genius level.
I'm not familiar with this. I found this in Google news yesterday. This offers an unusual perspective.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200812164926.htm
That seems logical to me. If you have a hard time fitting in, you start something of our own.
theres a lot of research going on tying ADHD type traits to changes in the parts of the brain that process time, including its comorbidity with insomnia
My son had ADHD, but his sleep is like his dad's: Anytime, anywhere, incredibly deep and blissfully ignorant of light and sound. With us Hornungs, it is like you use a kill switch: on/off. I'm the type of guy who thinks something is wrong today if I'm not fast asleep within a minute or two after hitting the bunk.