The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: ilan on December 05, 2019, 06:13:00 AM
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http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=827354
Sad to see it close. 20+ years ago it was the first place I checked every day.
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Did you see the thread he started below the Closing thread? It looks like some of the regulars will try to start a free forum.
The rise of social media has affected most forums. It's sad to see the FDP go, but you have to admit, Chris has done it his way.
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Did you see the thread he started below the Closing thread? It looks like some of the regulars will try to start a free forum.
The rise of social media has affected most forums. It's sad to see the FDP go, but you have to admit, Chris has done it his way.
That's quite true. I was active there at one time. Chris ran the FDP his way, including enforcing the opinions expressed there, as was his right on that privately owned forum, and is Dave's here. However, I admit a hunch that the political posture of the admins was a contributing reason for the reduced activity on that website.
I believe it was at the FDP that I met Dr. Bill, who invited me here. I found this forum to be both more friendly and more enjoyable. My thanks go out to Dave and all of you for maintaining that delightful environment.
The FDP was an excellent site for Fender-related information, and many of the members were extremely knowledgeable and helpful. However, I think TalkBass is a very good source of Fender information, and of course, this is the place to go for Gibson, T-bird and Rick information...not to mention trains, planes, and mid-20th century Germanic memes.
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Funny, I never went there.
:rimshot:
But my Fender allergies aside, it's a loss of micro-culture whenever a place like that closes, RIP.
As a social media recluse - Facebook, My Space, Instagram, Twitter - you name it, I have never been there :mrgreen:, this here is the only place I go. And I don't avoid the other stuff for any fancy philosophical reasons - I'm not worried about being "tracked" nor do I deem any aspects of my personal life of major interest to alien reptiles, "The Deep State", Herr Zuckerberg (I only think he's weird and sometimes irresponsible) or whatever other perceived threats there are out there to some people - I just can't be bothered and have other things to do.
I don't even do computer games, they bore me shitless - I can't see what has substantially improved with them since that silly ping pong thing in the 70ies and Pac-Man that followed it shortly after. I don't even own a computer (desk- or laptop) at home (hence you hear little from me on weekends). My wife has one, but I don't know the password. ;D
But I still buy a (paper) newspaper everyday - of course a conservative one, so I know what the other side is thinking. (Just like Steve Bannon reads the lefty Guardian, smart man, albeit with horrible views.) Reverse-echo chambers so to say. :)
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I never went there. I don't like to see a forum shut down, though.
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I never went there, but it's definitely a sign of the times.
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That's quite true. I was active there at one time. Chris ran the FDP his way, including enforcing the opinions expressed there, as was his right on that privately owned forum, and is Dave's here. However, I admit a hunch that the political posture of the admins was a contributing reason for the reduced activity on that website.
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You hit the nail on the head. His no politics rule turned into politics allowed as long as your views agreed with his. That drove away a lot of good people. Others protested and got kicked out.
Still, it used to be a good place. Remember, Dude was the moderator of the bass forum there, whn Chris kicked him out in 2001, that's when he started the Pit.
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You hit the nail on the head. His no politics rule turned into politics allowed as long as your views agreed with his. That drove away a lot of good people. Others protested and got kicked out.
Thanks, Dave. That's an accurate summation - and it's why I'm here.
I sure have no argument with the merits of the people there (some of whom I had the pleasure to meet in my travels) and the information they provided. It was a good resource for Fender owners and enthusiasts. And it's clear to me that in the world of electric guitars and basses, Fender and Gibson have been the 300-pound gorillas since the 1950's, so it's great to have places where people can learn about them.
As others have commented, we are all a bit poorer when information sources dry up. I'm not sure how long the FDP pages will be accessible, but they contain a lot of good information.
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I joined the FDP in April 2001. I'm reading through my posts from the first years. It's a weird feeling meeting yourself from 17-18 years ago.
(He's 17 years old now and a killer bass player - mostly jazz - and pianist)
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This may seem odd, but I think I remember reading that post!
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Been on the FDP since early 2000’s. Started out great. In last few years I started to lose interest because many of the good ones either passed away, got ticked off and left, just disappeared for own reasons etc.
I haven’t been on it much in the last year and was surprised when I decided to check it out a few days ago there were notices everywhere of shutting down. Yes the forums administrator could be touchy, I just avoided the touchy subjects as I was only concerned about helping others or getting help and I can say it truly was amazing in the area of Help. Anyway, glad to be here (thanks to ilan) ;)
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Welcome. Glad to see you here.
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The rise of social media has affected most forums.
Gotta agree with that. I was already losing interest in the Ric Resource Forum (so many of the same topics ad nauseam, a little too PC/G-rated) and once all the groups started on Facebook, I stopped logging in at all.
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Been on the FDP since early 2000’s. Started out great. In last few years I started to lose interest because many of the good ones either passed away, got ticked off and left, just disappeared for own reasons etc.
I haven’t been on it much in the last year and was surprised when I decided to check it out a few days ago there were notices everywhere of shutting down. Yes the forums administrator could be touchy, I just avoided the touchy subjects as I was only concerned about helping others or getting help and I can say it truly was amazing in the area of Help. Anyway, glad to be here (thanks to ilan) ;)
Welcome! I remember you from the FDP, although it's probably been a dozen years since I posted anything there.
Hushnel has registered too, I remember him and his beautiful mahogany P Bass.
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Thanks, I remember you also. Wondered what happened :)
Maybe you can go to the Bass section of the FDP and address some concerns there about a person having Malware and Adware warnings on this forum after they registered and got on the forum
FYI, I am not experiencing these things
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Thanks, I remember you also. Wondered what happened :)
Maybe you can go to the Bass section of the FDP and address some concerns there about a person having Malware and Adware warnings on this forum after they registered and got on the forum
FYI, I am not experiencing these things
I just did, thanks.
I stopped using Malwarebytes almost a year ago because of too many false positives on sites I knew were clean and had been verified clean by Norton Safe Web and my antivirus software. It seems like they're flagging just about any sites with ads. In our case, we've never had any ads.
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Yes, I also stopped using Malware Bytes several years ago because of to many false positives. Until you just mentioned it I had forgotten all about it.
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Dave W, thank you for posting on FDP. Now that I absolutely know there is tight security etc I am looking forward to being a member here. :)
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Well thanks for letting me in “o)
I’ve been on the FDP since 2000. Made a lot of friends, played with a bunch of great musicians. It’s sad to see it shut down, I’m hoping those that have been part of that forum find a way to gather some place. There are motivated members that will try to keep the mob together.
It was FDPers that got me building my own instrument. Most of the guys that walked me through the building and set up were six stringers. I go to TB occasionally for information and reviews but it’s way to huge to have any semblance of hometown community.
I believe Bassoutpost will be great for bassist, and many FDPers will check in. This is the same picture you’ll remember https://flic.kr/p/WWiGQj (https://flic.kr/p/WWiGQj)
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You used all that cuban mahogany for a P bass? Who let this guy in here?
Just kidding though and nice bass, would have been cooler if you made an EB-1 out of that wood instead but still, nice bass.
Welcome aboard!
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Yep, that's the picture I remember. Beautiful bass.
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Thanks, I think. My guitar player at the time gave the Cuban Mahogany to me, his day job was cabinet making. This was wood from a penthouse library he was building in NYC.
The one I’m building now is going to be Tulipwood with 100 year old Black Walnut top and back, probably chambered. I’ve had this piece of Honduran Mahogany for about 20 years, it’s 4” by 10” by 10’. I’ll use this for the neck, my neighbor gave be two boards of Brazilian Rosewood I’ll use for the fingerboard. Probably use a 32” scale. Haven’t nailed down the body shape yet. I’m still leveling the abalone cut from two shells for the inlay https://flic.kr/p/2hfuFVm (https://flic.kr/p/2hfuFVm).
I’ve gotten real partial to my Guild Starfire and I’m thinking of using two Bisonic pickups, I may even use it’s body shape too, haven’t decided yet.
In my youth (1967), I had a buddy who wanted me to try out his EB0. I had only ever played my 1964 Framus Atlantic, seen here when I did a total cleaning and set up https://flic.kr/p/21bWuiM (https://flic.kr/p/21bWuiM), another story. I wasn’t impressed, I was a kid and really didn’t feel comfortable with any other bass, at the time.
The Framus was my only bass up until 1981 when I was ambushed by the Fender Precision Special. I was playing two to three times a week not including rehearsals and the old Framus really wasn’t cutting it. The P Special is heavy, a boat anchor, but it’s the one that goes into the studio with me and be the last one I get rid of. The Guild Starfire gets most of the work now a days, for the more acoustic type venues I used either the mid 80s factory fretless Guild B-50 or the little and cheap Ibanez PNB14E guitar scale ABG either of these I’ll run through the Phil Jones two by four.
This one I made to take up to Victor Wootens bass camp, I attended a little over a year ago. It’s a 30 inch scale with a scatter wound 51 P-bass pickup. I had Victor, Roy, Reggie, Chuck Rainey all the other instructors, staff and attendees sign it, https://flic.kr/p/WWj3fm (https://flic.kr/p/WWj3fm) Signed https://flic.kr/p/KtxQWh (https://flic.kr/p/KtxQWh)
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All homeless Fenderistas are welcome, bring'em on!
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That 30" Tele is great looking! Love the color, too.
I have a Tele body with nice grain and a 30" neck sitting around, and I intend to make something of them before long.
My guess is that the Fender forum here is about to become more lively.
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Thanks, and I bet your correct about the Fender forum low Enders. Shortly after I moved up to the farm after I retired I came across a 2X8 at HomeDepot, that had tight even grain and great tone. I let it sit in the shop for 5 years then made a bass out of it. The body is a little small, after edging the 8” board down for a tight center joint but the tone is really good. Same pickup as I used in the Surf Green linked above.
This one I stained with a propane torch. Funky looking but a player for sure.
https://flic.kr/p/WAfXZw
For that surf green I had the guys at the automotive paint store mix it up and put it into a spray can for me.
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...for that surf green I had the guys at the automotive paint store mix it up and put it into a spray can for me.
Which of course is the same route what Leo took.
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The P Special is heavy, a boat anchor, but it’s the one that goes into the studio with me and be the last one I get rid of.
I love them too but I don't think the weight is a crucial factor in their sound. I have a NOS '81 P Special PCB/harness that one day I'll install in a lightweight P and have a light P Special. The pickups on them were standard P under the white plastic covers.
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I agree weight may not be the main determining aspect of it’s tone, you could say that about the LesPaul too, but it is part of the sound, it’s certainly not just the weight but density, grain and hardness will add resonance and sustain.
The Homedepot bass is very light weight but has a great tone, you can test wood by tapping it. I know a guy who drops his bone nuts and bridges on a hard surface to determine density. Certainly it’s addition is slight but it does all add up.
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IMHO every element has some effect on tone, however small.
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I agree. Trying to wrangle them all into harmony can be an adventure. The worst is when you get a wolf tone from a single note. Usually a neck problem, and the dead spots. Doesn’t often happen but it can and it sucks.
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IMHO every element has some effect on tone, however small.
Dave is really faltering. EVERY element?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/d1/98/add198bfa9331d9fc9930f1d2a6c6339.jpg)
It pains me. It really does. What were once held to be eternal truths ...
Finish does not influences sound.
(https://i.imgflip.com/19cdxh.jpg)
PS: That theory negating the well-established origins of TV yellow is gonna cave in pretty soon too, you just watch this space ...
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^^^
Picky, picky, picky!
No, I haven't changed my opinion. We were talking about construction elements.
Re "TV Yellow" -- which was never the name of the finish: The Cisco Kid TV series (1950-56) was filmed entirely in color even though only 1% of households had a color TV by the time it ended its run. No other TV series was filmed in color at that time. Thanks to YouTube, you can see those episodes in color. You ought to watch an episode and tell me how many people you see wearing yellow in order to appear white on black-and-white TVs. :P
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Totally loved the Cisco Kid TV show as a child. My family went on a trip to El Paso on into Juarez, Mexico for a while when I was six. I actually remember some of that. But they said I was deeply disappointed I never got to see the Cisco Kid in person.
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Moe's Tavern 2.0 (http://moestavern.freeforums.net/), started by Mfitz804, is where the FDP faithful have gone. I see that he made Chris Greene one of the moderators, though. I wish them well, but I won't be joining.
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Moe's Tavern 2.0 (http://moestavern.freeforums.net/), started by Mfitz804, is where the FDP faithful have gone. I see that he made Chris Greene one of the moderators, though. I wish them well, but I won't be joining.
Nice to know. I won't be joining either. Being banned for a rational comment once was enough.
As fate would have it, I just watched a DVR capture of a Cisco Kid yesterday. It was an early program captured in 16MM (later they went to 35MM) and suffered considerably from the kinescope capture process, to the point where it made standard def VHS captures look crisp. There were reasonable colors in the medium shots, but the trim on Cisco's suit looked white to me. Very fuzzy and hard to make out much detail other than in close-ups.
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^^^what he said.
I stopped by. Some of it hasn't changed, but parts of it has. We're still debating Ginger vs. Mary Ann.