https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/mainstream-rock-sucked-2018-770721/
Didnt read the article yet, but mainstream rock has sucked a lot more in the previous 2 decades than it has in the last year or two. Theres actually been some good stuff on the radio; its starting to suck less. .... so to answer the titular question, because its still coming out da slump.
Quote from: Granny Gremlin on December 21, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
Didnt read the article yet, but mainstream rock has sucked a lot more in the previous 2 decades than it has in the last year or two. Theres actually been some good stuff on the radio; its starting to suck less. .... so to answer the titular question, because its still coming out da slump.
He actually ends up on a more positive note than the title would indicate, but that doesn't come across until the last paragraph. I thought it was a well-written article--better than most of this kind, IMO.
Not a bad article, but a similar article could have been written years ago, with different names substituted.
The success of Greta Van Fleet :puke: baffles me. If you're a Zep fan and disliked Kingdom Come, well, Great Van Fleet is a tenth-rate Kingdom Come imitation.
All I can add is that Weird Al's bizarre appearance in the Weezer cover of "Africa" is enough to make you never want to watch any video ever again. That is said more in sincerity than jest.
Quote from: Dave W on December 21, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
The success of Greta Van Fleet :puke: baffles me. If you're a Zep fan and disliked Kingdom Come, well, Great Van Fleet is a tenth-rate Kingdom Come imitation.
I saw them live about a month ago. It was by far one of the most boring concerts I have ever seen. Really a very limited band. Calling their singer a one trick pony would be an insult for the pony ;-). They were awful.
Here is an article objecting to the "Rolling Stone" article.
http://loudwire.com/rolling-stone-rock-music-2018-op-ed/
Quote from: Dave W on December 21, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
Not a bad article, but a similar article could have been written years ago, with different names substituted.
Exactly.
Quote from: Dave W on December 21, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
The success of Greta Van Fleet :puke: baffles me. If you're a Zep fan and disliked Kingdom Come, well, Great Van Fleet is a tenth-rate Kingdom Come imitation.
I thought they were more of a Zep/Sabbath hybrid. They are all very skilled musicians, and it's the blues dad's my age that are their biggest fans (along with their wives) due to that and the throwback style. I am not a fan, but I totally get the success (and give them 1.5 more records before they fade away from the limelight). Same with that Aussie band that had a similar schtick a few years back (except IIRC, the consensus around here, or a previous incarnation of this community anyway, was more positive). .... Wolf Mother. To be fair their vocalist wasn't as shreiky (both Plant and Ozzy sometimes went there, but not as much as the GvF guy).
Quote from: westen44 on December 23, 2018, 07:34:42 AM
Here is an article objecting to the "Rolling Stone" article.
http://loudwire.com/rolling-stone-rock-music-2018-op-ed/
Mostly metal bands there. Not the same territory covered by Rolling Stone. Mostly not what I'd call mainstream rock, which was the subject of the RS article.
There are plenty of good bands with small but dedicated followings. You have to look a bit to find what you like.
Quote from: Dave W on December 23, 2018, 11:23:14 PM
Mostly metal bands there. Not the same territory covered by Rolling Stone. Mostly not what I'd call mainstream rock, which was the subject of the RS article.
There are plenty of good bands with small but dedicated followings. You have to look a bit to find what you like.
I was noticing that, especially as I kept scrolling down looking at those bands. However, I wasn't able to see everything because of computer issues. I was getting the point, though, that those were metal bands--many of which I wasn't very familiar with.
Greta van Fleet's success doesn't baffle me one bit, there is just no accounting for (bad) taste in a country that put Led Zep on a pedestal in the first place. Sins of the fathers ... but the songs remain the same.
I've never seen them live (but would go just out of interest although now warned by Rob), they have a certain boyish charm (I prefer little girls fawning over them than to what they usually fawn over). Compared to the one before, their new album is really labored though - that first track sounds like a young Geddy Lee on helium singing outside of his range and that is screaming something, I cracked up laughing when I first heard it ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag1OJMzH3F0
And who gave them a mellotron without adult supervision?! I've always held that Moody Blues records are dangerous for children, so here we have parental failure yet again.
Of course, this post wouldn't be complete without a little mean jab against you know who. :P Last I heard, Greta van Fleet at least didn't steal their recharged blues licks from a subjugated ethnicity and then not even give them credit and royalties unless sued. Let's not even speak of one-of-a-kind chord progressions ... obviously, sometimes deeds have two meanings. I have yet to hear a Greta van Fleet track as apishly close to a Zep chord progression as the STH intro was/is to Spirit's Taurus. But I forgot, Jimmy Page is an honest artist - so honest he toured Led Zep initiallly as The New Yardbirds - endowed with divine inspiration while the Fleet guys are just copy-cats.
Finally, why is it always dreary Led Zep that gets ripped? Why don't get five fresh youngsters together and sound exactly like Blackmore-Gillan-Glover-Lord-Paice or, for that matter, Blackmore-Coverdale-Hughes-Lord-Paice? Whenever I read about a new band sounding like DP, I slavishly buy their product and come away disappointed, they sound nothing like Purple if you know Purple as well as I do. Is it easier to rip off Plant's banshee wails, Page's sloppy strumming and studdering soloing and Bonham's behind-the-beat lumbering (plus a bass relegated to the background of the mix) than to copy and paste Gillan, Blackmore & Paice plus add an overly loud Hammond organ with some classical flourishes (and a bass you can actually hear)? I really wonder.
With the defense I just delivered for the Fleetsters, I'm hoping for a free greet-and-flee(t) next time they are in town! Who knows, maybe they'll let me have one of their unused teenage groupies?
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The singer annoys...
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Quote from: uwe on February 01, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Why don't get five fresh youngsters together and sound exactly like Blackmore-Gillan-Glover-Lord-Paice or, for that matter, Blackmore-Coverdale-Hughes-Lord-Paice? Whenever I read about a new band sounding like DP, I slavishly buy their product and come away disappointed, they sound nothing like Purple if you know Purple as well as I do. Is it easier to rip off Plant's banshee wails, Page's sloppy strumming and studdering soloing and Bonham's behind-the-beat lumbering (plus a bass relegated to the background of the mix) than to copy and paste Gillan, Blackmore & Paice plus add an overly loud Hammond organ with some classical flourishes (and a bass you can actually hear)? I really wonder.
Maybe this Dutch youngster band of some ten years ago qualifies? :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZwnVnSqXTs
What little I've seen of G.V.F. live is better than LZ was when I saw them for "Houses of the Holy" tour, they were utter shite, stoned and beyond boring. Saw Jethro Tull about two months later dong "Passion Play", they blew LZ away, as did Alice Cooper.
Rock isn't dead, it just smells funny.
(No apologies to FZ)
Quote from: gearHed289 on February 04, 2019, 08:50:34 AM
The singer annoys...
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Is that really the lead singer? He looks like a character from a 70s Norman Lear sitcom. Maybe an extra from a Sanford & Son episode.
Quote from: Basvarken on February 04, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Maybe this Dutch youngster band of some ten years ago qualifies? :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZwnVnSqXTs
Bassist looks faintly familiar ... ;)
But this is nice though more The Doors than Deep Purple. Which is not to say that DP didn't have a Doors influence. Gillan got the job because he looked "just like Jim Morrison" according to Blackmore.
(http://www.urbancinefile.com.au/res/images/J/JCW_ALW_IanGillan.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK3gACseqh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOU48rs9e8k
Your keyboarder plays beautifully - and not just the length of his mane gives him a Jon Lord aura. In the new band project I'm in we finally have a full-fledged piano and Hammond player, he has a massive sound, is no shrinking violet & I find it immensely enjoyable!
Good to hear that you're playing, Uwe. :)
Greta van Fleet appear sincere (rhymes!) in what they do, misguided but sincere. I give them credit for that. Kingdom Come appeared more "casted" to me (though I can still enjoy their debut, there are albums from around that time that sound a lot more dated). Kingdom Come mostly stole the hard rock bits from Zep; the Fleet guys are more comprehensive in their sonic raids of Zeppelin archives. They've taken all the bluesy, folky, world music and psychedelic elements on board that forged the Zep sound.
Quote from: TBird1958 on February 04, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Good to hear that you're playing, Uwe. :)
It was about time, I had lost all appetite to play during the last 18 months (but strangely missed it at the same time), but now the rust is flying off again.
Quote from: Dave W on February 04, 2019, 02:36:55 PM
Is that really the lead singer? He looks like a character from a 70s Norman Lear sitcom. Maybe an extra from a Sanford & Son episode.
No, that's Greg Brady from the Brady Bunch! This is the GVF singer...
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He looks less Robert Plant than Daisy Coverdale did during her worst of times.
His style is more "Santana at Woodstock" , which is probably the music he grew up to via his parents. I've seen children go astray worse.
Quote from: uwe on February 05, 2019, 10:36:46 AM
He looks less Robert Plant than Daisy Coverdale did during her worst of times.
His style is more "Santana at Woodstock" , which is probably the music he grew up to via his parents. I've seen children go astray worse.
Way worse.........Like say, Ted Nugent :puke:
Quote from: gearHed289 on February 05, 2019, 08:08:48 AM
No, that's Greg Brady from the Brady Bunch! This is the GVF singer...
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My 70s sitcom reference wan't that far off! :mrgreen:
Never watched the Brady Bunch.
Music critic who maintains that the Yardbirds were better than LZ. He is basing a lot of this on the "Yardbirds '68" recording released fairly recently by Jimmy Page. Something which most people (including me) haven't heard yet. I'd like to find it, though.
https://www.salon.com/2018/01/07/better-than-led-zeppelin-a-little-known-song-proves-the-yardbirds-were-heavy-metal-pioneers/
greta van fleet. had to look 'em up. a bunch of really short guys living the dream. a really dad dream but i digress. there is only so much you can do within a standard guitar based group, and its been done to death. no surprises there. keep looking.
I'd rather listen to Popa Chubby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9G_9nZlSM
I have two sons in the GVF age group. I asked my 21-year old if any of his crowd like them. He replied "No-everybody hates them. They're just a Walmart version of Led Zeppelin." For the record, he is a fan of neither Walmart or Led Zeppelin. He is somewhat puzzled by the fact that I can't stand GVF, though.
Frankly, I haven't heard many young'uns express an affinity for them. To the contrary, it's mainly old farts like myself, some of whom are so desperate for something new (that sounds like something old) that they will cut them an inordinate amount of slack for their ersatz Zep schtick. To a starving man, a s**t sandwich looks like steak.
Their first album brought smiles to my face, it was très cute in its rip-off way. The new album I find mannered and much less immediate than the predecessor. They need to develop an own identity.
Quote from: uwe on February 05, 2019, 10:36:46 AM
He looks less Robert Plant than Daisy Coverdale did during her worst of times.
His style is more "Santana at Woodstock" , which is probably the music he grew up to via his parents. I've seen children go astray worse.
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