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Title: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 10, 2019, 03:41:45 PM
No more neck pocket gap

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GVcAAOSwNlldyG7z/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: amptech on November 10, 2019, 11:09:38 PM
Another wishbass? ???
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Basvarken on November 10, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
I thought it was a joke. But it's for real!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bass-Fretless-4-String-Regular-scale-34-JJK-Body-Wishbass/143438116034?hash=item216593f4c2:g:GVcAAOSwNlldyG7z
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 11, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
Hey it's fretless - you can in the midst of your playing always correct any intonation problems the loose neck might give you.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 11, 2019, 10:17:19 PM
He's proud of his mistakes, I'll give him that. Other builders would have tossed it in the fireplace.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 12, 2019, 06:45:29 AM
He's proud of his mistakes, I'll give him that. Other builders would have tossed it in the fireplace.

Other builders would have tossed it in the fireplace even if it had a perfectly cut neck pocket.

But I like the old hippie. He's nothing like the rest of the bass world, even if most of his basses are unplayable. And he will be remembered long after hundreds of Fender clone builders will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 12, 2019, 10:50:13 PM
Other builders would have tossed it in the fireplace even if it had a perfectly cut neck pocket.

But I like the old hippie. He's nothing like the rest of the bass world, even if most of his basses are unplayable. And he will be remembered long after hundreds of Fender clone builders will be forgotten.

In the same way that Yoko Ono will be remembered for her non-musical screaming.

Yoko once said that sawing things in half was an art form in itself. Wish should have taken her advice.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 16, 2019, 02:03:48 PM
He wants to move to Sparta, NC and organised a fundraiser (https://www.gofundme.com/f/wishbass).



Four years ago in February 2015 wishbass suffered a catastrophic fire that completely destroyed our shop on McCreary St in Winston Salem.

With help from generous customers and friends we were able to  relocate to 1245 Ivy Ave, but we were left with a large debt level.

Recently the market has slowed, and out cost for parts has risen largely due to the Trade War and increased tariffs with China, In addition the political uncertainty had further dampened the market.

So, to make a long story short, I am planning to move to Sparta, NC, where I learned to make instruments forty and more years ago.

I figure i will need ten thousand  dollars to move, upgrade equipment, and buy a vehicle more suited to mountain roads

 Show your love of music by giving what you can, and plan to buy some great instruments in the future.

If you dont feel able to help, we have two Wishbass books on kindle, and in paperback, so you can get a fine book for $19.99, and help the cause. Just search Amazon for wishbass.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
"He's goin' back to the bottom.
He's tired of livin' on his own.
He's goin back o the bottom baby
All you can do is moan.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 16, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
So, to make a long story short, I am planning to move to Sparta, NC, where I learned to make instruments forty and more years ago.

He learned to make instruments? Could have fooled me!

Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Chris P. on November 17, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
There's only one thing I don't like about that bass and that's all of it.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 17, 2019, 09:31:47 AM
If I was a tree in the vicinity of Sparta, I'd be very afraid now. This man knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 17, 2019, 03:55:20 PM
He learned to make instruments? Could have fooled me!

From his bio: "born 1945, studied guitar making under Dave Sturgill, Piney Creek, NC. Worked at Ovation Guitars, 1978-1980." I think he makes them like this on principle.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 17, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
From his bio: "born 1945, studied guitar making under Dave Sturgill, Piney Creek, NC. Worked at Ovation Guitars, 1978-1980." I think he makes them like this on principle.

As I pointed out in this excellent thread (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=11336.0) you started earlier this year: I had never heard of him having any association with Ovation but he claims to have studied guitar physics for two  years with their chief engineer (Jim Rickard) and a jazz guitar maker, about 40 years ago. Could be true. Please excuse me if I doubt it. I've seen too many claims that can't be substantiated and turned out not to be true.

Dave Sturgill was a fiddler and a fiddle and banjo maker. He'd probably roll over in his grave if he knew Wish was claiming his influence.

Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 19, 2019, 01:40:04 PM
I believe him. He must have definitely been in the helicopter design department of Kaman Corporation as ultimate owners of Ovation. That sure explains his choppy approach to building basses.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rr_CNHnSejE/U4zgTJz_O8I/AAAAAAAA5HI/4sAfsgtFSnQ/s1600/copter2.jpg)
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Highlander on November 19, 2019, 02:44:15 PM
Kaman...? It's a Bell OH58A that went down in Whitfield, Maine, 30th May 2014... Pilot got the blame...
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: lowend1 on November 21, 2019, 08:48:03 PM
A Wishbass thread! Excellent! I've been looking for an excuse...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOgS3eT0HM
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 21, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
^^^
Wishbass...tone like an elephant fart!
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Pilgrim on November 22, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
^^^
Wishbass...tone like an elephant fart!

But that's good, because it's "organic," right??   ;)
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 22, 2019, 11:26:10 AM
I guess He'd sound the same on Jaco's personal bass.

Here's a guy with a very early (#5) Wishbass, ugly as f*** but sounds good.

https://youtu.be/syp7d_Mc7rA
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 22, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
Doesn't sound good to me. At least he can play.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on November 23, 2019, 12:49:37 PM
How about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5MbwgOoMhw
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Basvarken on November 24, 2019, 02:42:18 AM
Doesn’t sound very well balanced to me. All the notes on the G string are too loud in comparison to the other strings. But maybe that’s his playing technique.
At least this guy can play.
The ones in the other videos not so much. And especially the two guys in the Wishbass demo. They could at least have tuned their instruments... ;D
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 24, 2019, 12:45:48 PM
Way too middish for me all those sounds. I blame the pup placement way back at the bridge. I never ever play just the bridge pup on a double pup bass - can't stand that tone. That is also why I never was such a great Jaco fan - I find mids at the expense of almost any other frequency tiring.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 24, 2019, 10:05:15 PM
Way too middish for me all those sounds. I blame the pup placement way back at the bridge. I never ever play just the bridge pup on a double pup bass - can't stand that tone. That is also why I never was such a great Jaco fan - I find mids at the expense of almost any other frequency tiring.

All of the videos are all mids all the time.

Jaco? Not a fan at all.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: doombass on November 25, 2019, 05:03:33 AM
Doesn’t sound very well balanced to me. All the notes on the G string are too loud in comparison to the other strings. But maybe that’s his playing technique.
At least this guy can play.
The ones in the other videos not so much. And especially the two guys in the Wishbass demo. They could at least have tuned their instruments... ;D

The man playing the bass in that Wishbass demo clip is the inventor himself if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Basvarken on November 25, 2019, 12:20:07 PM
That is hilarious!
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Rob on November 25, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
The man playing the bass in that Wishbass demo clip is the inventor himself if I'm not mistaken.

I thought so too.  But if that is what his audience is looking for . . . . YIKES
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: doombass on November 26, 2019, 01:24:40 AM
His approach seems to be low cost at all costs. And once again, he can't actually play, only demonstrate the aquired taste sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9r8Tfh4XqE
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Basvarken on November 26, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
I tried to watch the entire video. But I just can't sit it out. Tried twice but gave up  after a minute or so.
Nothing seems to work properly. And he doesn't seem to care.
Now I know exactly why his builds look and sound they way they do.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: doombass on November 26, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
 :mrgreen: I did'nt endure all of it either.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 26, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
The man is unhampered by self-doubt.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: lowend1 on November 27, 2019, 02:38:02 PM
His approach seems to be low cost at all costs. And once again, he can't actually play, only demonstrate the aquired taste sound

Reminds me of Stan Kann - except Stan could play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3k4Qzyo7QA&list=RDn3k4Qzyo7QA&start_radio=1&t=3
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on November 27, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Reminds me of Stan Kann - except Stan could play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3k4Qzyo7QA&list=RDn3k4Qzyo7QA&start_radio=1&t=3

Stan Kann! What a crackpot! He took all the ridicule in stride, though. He was an excellent organist.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Basvarken on November 28, 2019, 12:18:05 PM
Mr Kann looked like a well groomed man.
But Mr.Wishnevsky... let's say, not so much  :o
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on November 28, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C8UAAOSwLVZVrBsj/s-l400.jpg)

This cartoon will very likely be misunderstood - in this place ...
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Alanko on December 02, 2019, 03:15:50 PM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C8UAAOSwLVZVrBsj/s-l400.jpg)

This cartoon will very likely be misunderstood - in this place ...

Why do you Germans always have to be so... sinister and unsettling? Nicht gut.



From his bio: "born 1945, studied guitar making under Dave Sturgill, Piney Creek, NC. Worked at Ovation Guitars, 1978-1980." I think he makes them like this on principle.

Two years and maybe they fired his ass? I've worked with people who thought they could do a job but who clearly couldn't! They were unwilling to learn as well.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on December 03, 2019, 05:01:10 PM
"Why do you Germans always have to be so... sinister and unsettling? Nicht gut."

        Whatdayyamean???!!!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-2h_gl8-AhoVVoiEDBHk--zR-JvX9cZrIpBk08JDniL3OUFfq&s)
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on December 03, 2019, 10:41:29 PM
"Why do you Germans always have to be so... sinister and unsettling? Nicht gut."

        Whatdayyamean???!!!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-2h_gl8-AhoVVoiEDBHk--zR-JvX9cZrIpBk08JDniL3OUFfq&s)

https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: ilan on December 04, 2019, 02:16:44 AM
https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

Ok that was hilarious.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on December 05, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
I'm coming up to the defense of the skull!!! It wasn't a Nazi invention (through they forever besmirched it - like other symbols, the originally sun-symbolic swastika included), it goes back to medieval Landsknechte/mercenaries times and was later on adopted by the Prussian cavalry, die Husaren/the hussars. The tradition was preserved, Kaiser Wilhelm II had many flaws, but he was no Nazi, yet flaunted the skull in ceremonial hussar regalia too (here with his - non-moustached - wife):

(https://www.meisterdrucke.de/kunstwerke/500px/German%20Photographer%20-%20Ak%20Kaiser%20Wilhelm%20II%20von%20Preuen%20mit%20Kaiserin%20Auguste%20Viktoria%20Totenkopfhusar%20%20-%20(MeisterDrucke-86674).jpg)

Today, the Totenkopf is largely identified with the Waffen-SS (but not even all Waffen-SS units had it, the SS runes were their telltale insignia, not the skull), but German Wehrmacht tank crews (because of their cavalry origins) had it too, on both their jacket lapels:

(http://static.akpool.de/images/cards/185/1853299.jpg)

Waffen-SS tank crews and others SS soldiers generally only had it on their caps/hats, with one of the jacket lapels showing the SS runes (yup, that is Jochen Peiper below, widely associated with the shooting of American POWs during the Ardennes Battle of the Bulge):

(https://www.1944shop.com/contents/media/tumblr_ltw9nme3ak1r5atg3o1_500.jpg)

Exception to the rule were the notorious SS-Totenkopf Verbände which had it both on their caps and - replacing the SS runes - on one of their jacket lapels, but never on both lapels (sometimes even just on the lapel, dispensing with the skull on the cap). So the gentlemen below on the left is  a Panzer soldier of the Wehrmacht, the other two are SS-Totenkopf Verbände members.

(https://www.welt.de/img/geschichte/zweiter-weltkrieg/mobile177598108/7461627047-ci23x11-w960/totenkopf-ss-panzer-emblem-kombo.jpg)

Given how many vile and atrocious things were committed under the Totenkopf, the Bundeswehr did well to leave that part of Landsknecht- and Husaren-mythology behind, modern German tank crews look like Herr Vogel:

(https://www.bundeswehrentdecken.de/image/104710/16x9/1000/550/3ddc292057c6adf1155ee9dd0baa0ac4/Cb/osg-daniel-vogel.jpg)

And the uniforms in the above "Are we the baddies?"-spoof are the usual wild movie-mix of both Wehrmacht- and SS-symbols and -traits, but in a front line shelter or trench, Waffen-SS men would have looked more like this, unlike Wehrmacht soldiers (or Allied soldiers for that matter), they were the first military unit in history to introduce early on the camouflage look that is today considered de rigueur with most armies when in the field. (The Wehrmacht was miserly in equipping its - much larger - force with all-new uniforms during the course of the war, while procurement for the Waffen-SS was generally more effectively lobbied. Also, in the 40ies the until then rare camouflage look quickly became part of the image of the Waffen-SS as it competed for recruits with the Wehrmacht - the modernistic and "cool" camouflage look was sported on SS recruitment posters and in propaganda pictures, it added to other Waffen-SS benefits such as higher pay, lower admission age, modern medical treatment on the battle field/the blood group tattooed near the arm pit and quicker ascension to NCO or officer rank than in the stuffy Wehrmacht.)

(http://www.2kompanie.org/uploads/1/2/8/5/1285795/1898080_orig.jpg)

So the skull symbol fell away (if you squint your eyes, you can also detect a difference between the Panzer skull - reminiscent of some medieval church art - and the SS one, the latter looking more naturalistic and Naz-ty), but the camouflage obviously left a lasting impression.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Dave W on December 05, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
Errm, okay, then.  :o  Shall we contact Mitchell and Webb  and correct them? Comedy must be historically accurate!

https://youtu.be/qmVnr7rsWrE

https://youtu.be/THNPmhBl-8I

https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: amptech on December 05, 2019, 11:10:14 PM
I'm coming up to the defense of the skull!!! It wasn't a Nazi invention (through they forever besmirched it - like other symbols, the originally sun-symbolic swastika included), it goes back to medieval Landsknechte/mercenaries times and was later on adopted by the Prussian cavalry, die Husaren/the hussars.

But Mark Storache claimed that Krokus invented the skull theme :)
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: Bubbalou88 on December 09, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
^^^
Wishbass...tone like an elephant fart!

That sums it up! At least listening to it after reading your description gave me a big smile  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on December 10, 2019, 07:33:10 AM
Errm, okay, then.  :o  Shall we contact Mitchell and Webb  and correct them? Comedy must be historically accurate!


The heck it doesn't!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: exiledarchangel on December 10, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
Errm, okay, then.  :o  Shall we contact Mitchell and Webb  and correct them? Comedy must be historically accurate!


Don't forget: he is German.
Everything must be perfect.
Always.
Everywhere.
At all cost.
Title: Re: Make your loose neck pocket a tight fit with this genius fix
Post by: uwe on December 17, 2019, 03:39:51 AM
Balance in all things is everything.

(https://cdn2-img.pressreader.com/pressdisplay/docserver/getimage.aspx?regionKey=%2BGZ%2BVFXrfNxphRAeQARNrQ%3D%3D)