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Title: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 14, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
Epiphone Launches "Inspired By Gibson" Collections, US-Made Texan | NAMM 2020 (https://reverb.com/news/epiphone-launches-inspired-by-gibson-collections-us-made-texan-namm-2020)

No bass yet but "... it's the first of what the company is calling a Epiphone Made in USA line—setting the stage for more stateside guitars to be announced soon."
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Ken on January 14, 2020, 06:11:44 PM
For personal reasons I'm not hopeful because I play left-handed and I don't know of any left-handed Epiphone basses.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 15, 2020, 07:38:11 AM
But it's the Epiphone Elite/Elitist thing all over, just moved from Japan to the US. Wonder if it will be more successful this time. It much depends whether they (1) dig out models Gibson doesn't offer at a budget price and (2) can put a price tag on them that makes it worthwhile for them and the consumers.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 15, 2020, 07:48:57 AM
But it's the Epiphone Elite/Elitist thing all over, just moved from Japan to the US. Wonder if it will be more successful this time. It much depends whether they (1) dig out models Gibson doesn't offer at a budget price and (2) can put a price tag on them that makes it worthwhile for them and the consumers.

There are buyers who won't buy unless it's MIA, and they will pay a reasonable price.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 15, 2020, 07:53:50 AM
If they will still sell for less compared to Gibsons, where are they going to cut costs?
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 15, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
If they will still sell for less compared to Gibsons, where are they going to cut costs?

I doubt they'll be priced less. If anything, it will be a minor difference, just like in the old days before production moved to Japan.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 15, 2020, 03:30:24 PM
There are buyers who won't buy unless it's MIA ...

Yesssir!!!

(https://www.fotohits.de/fileadmin/Themen/Report/bild_und_geschichte/iwo_jima/aufmacher_iwo.jpg)


Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 15, 2020, 04:40:06 PM
On a possibly related note, Epi Vintage Pro T-Birds are starting to disappear and be clearanced.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: amptech on January 16, 2020, 01:35:45 AM
On a possibly related note, Epi Vintage Pro T-Birds are starting to disappear and be clearanced.

Did Scott buy them all, then?
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 16, 2020, 08:19:55 AM
And mount them in Iwo Jima?  :rimshot:
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: FrankieTbird on January 16, 2020, 08:41:30 AM
On a possibly related note, Epi Vintage Pro T-Birds are starting to disappear and be clearanced.


They are?  Where?
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 16, 2020, 11:07:05 AM
Check all the usual online dealers; the stock is dwindling and sunburst models are all but gone already. I got one from Sam Ash new for $550.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 16, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
In that case I have to get one! They are neck-thru, right?
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: TBird1958 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:14 PM
In that case I have to get one! They are neck-thru, right?


 Yes they are, and very nice bass - you need one!
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Basvarken on January 16, 2020, 02:16:45 PM
Someone over at the Facebook Thunderbird Bass Players Group suggested that he saw the Vintage Pro Thunderbird announced as coming soon at the Gibson site.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 16, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
Someone over at the Facebook Thunderbird Bass Players Group suggested that he saw the Vintage Pro Thunderbird announced as coming soon at the Gibson site.

It's also completely missing from the Epiphone site, too.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Ken on January 16, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
Someone over at the Facebook Thunderbird Bass Players Group suggested that he saw the Vintage Pro Thunderbird announced as coming soon at the Gibson site.
Whoa, I wonder if that could mean a left-handed version.  Very dangerous for me.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 16, 2020, 09:33:51 PM
They'll REALLY have to step up their game if Gibson wants to charge US-made prices after making such a stellar bass in Indonesia. My Epi smokes the recent US TBirds.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 17, 2020, 11:20:58 PM
And now, Epi unveils USA Casino (https://reverb.com/news/epiphone-quietly-unveils-made-in-usa-casino)

Seems that the Casino and the Texan were barely ready on time, so no pricing yet. Hopefully it also means that a couple of bass models will be made, as JC and Cesar told Chris at NAMM last year.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: FrankieTbird on January 18, 2020, 07:45:44 AM
It's also completely missing from the Epiphone site, too.


https://www.epiphone.com/Guitar/EPII67714/Thunderbird-Vintage-PRO/Alpine-White

Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 18, 2020, 09:32:39 AM

https://www.epiphone.com/Guitar/EPII67714/Thunderbird-Vintage-PRO/Alpine-White

I just checked Sam Ash, they say it's a closeout, limited quantities.

If you're in the market for one, better not hesitate.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 18, 2020, 12:20:52 PM

https://www.epiphone.com/Guitar/EPII67714/Thunderbird-Vintage-PRO/Alpine-White

That's from an external search indexing the whole site. Go to the "basses" page. It ain't there.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: FrankieTbird on January 18, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
That's from an external search indexing the whole site. Go to the "basses" page. It ain't there.


It's right there in the "Inspired By Gibson" "Original Bass" tab.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on January 18, 2020, 08:08:48 PM
It wasn't when I looked yesterday. Maybe they're updating it for NAMM announcements.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 18, 2020, 09:55:07 PM

It's right there in the "Inspired By Gibson" "Original Bass" tab.

I see it now.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Pilgrim on January 19, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
I see it now.

AH!!  Now I see it!!

(http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hallelujah-oracle-300x134.jpg)

(Oracle Jones, The Hallelujah Trail, 1965)
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: FrankieTbird on January 19, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
I guess the new Embassy was not a big seller.  They're at $399 brand new with a 20% off code on top.  AMS has black ones for $339.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/7654030212781609844?q=Thunderbird+Vintage+PRO+-+Alpine+White&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ACYBGNThYPOmUeGS9UjDfb5kPLye81RScQ:1579455455272&biw=1680&bih=975&prds=opd:8545896776245666359,prmr:3,pvo:ChUI9KbS58_9pJxqEL23-eqPuKD1rgE&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi76qS_mpDnAhULPK0KHQVtBagQhC0IQygA
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 19, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
AH!!  Now I see it!!

(http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hallelujah-oracle-300x134.jpg)

(Oracle Jones, The Hallelujah Trail, 1965)

Oracle knew how to get free booze. Great movie. Who can forget Martin Landau as the blue-eyed Chief Walks-Stooped-Over?

It wasn't a big hit. Maybe because it was too long. IIRC nearly three hours.


I guess the new Embassy was not a big seller.  They're at $399 brand new with a 20% off code on top.  AMS has black ones for $339.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/7654030212781609844?q=Thunderbird+Vintage+PRO+-+Alpine+White&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ACYBGNThYPOmUeGS9UjDfb5kPLye81RScQ:1579455455272&biw=1680&bih=975&prds=opd:8545896776245666359,prmr:3,pvo:ChUI9KbS58_9pJxqEL23-eqPuKD1rgE&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi76qS_mpDnAhULPK0KHQVtBagQhC0IQygA

i'm not surprised. It wasn't well known back in the day and Epi did very little to promote the reissue.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Pilgrim on January 19, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Oracle knew how to get free booze. Great movie. Who can forget Martin Landau as the blue-eyed Chief Walks-Stooped-Over?

It wasn't a big hit. Maybe because it was too long. IIRC nearly three hours.


One of my favorite wacky westerns.  Loved Donald Pleasance as Oracle and Burt Lancaster as the Colonel. And there was teamster Brian Keith, yelling "I'm a taxpayer and a good Republican...!"

Another favorite quote from Jim Hutton as Capt. Slater: "Protect both rears...simultaneously!"

Every time I hear someone say something like "I see it now..." it triggers a memory of the movie. Not a cinematic milestone, just a really fun western that never took itself seriously.  I have it on laserdisc.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 19, 2020, 09:59:07 PM
One of my favorite wacky westerns.  Loved Donald Pleasance as Oracle and Burt Lancaster as the Colonel. And there was teamster Brian Keith, yelling "I'm a taxpayer and a good Republican...!"

Another favorite quote from Jim Hutton as Capt. Slater: "Protect both rears...simultaneously!"

Every time I hear someone say something like "I see it now..." it triggers a memory of the movie. Not a cinematic milestone, just a really fun western that never took itself seriously.  I have it on laserdisc.

I haven't seen it in about 20 years but I see the full movie is on YT. I'll have to watch again.

Brief appearance of Donald Pleasence in the trailer starting at 1:06, followed by Brian Keith

https://youtu.be/P1coDNUdV74

Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Pilgrim on January 20, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
You and I have a shared affection for that amusing old movie.

One of my favorite shots was Oracle huddling behind a rock in the big sand storm/battle scene watching the participants charge back and forth - only his eyes moving.

I have a strange memory for movie quotes.  The ones that I like will stay with me for decades. All the guys I worked with in classroom support knew that almost any conversation would lead to me injecting some obscure movie quote.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Chris P. on January 21, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
I interviewed JC. He said basses will come!
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: ajkula66 on January 21, 2020, 11:45:51 AM
I interviewed JC. He said basses will come!

A Rivoli re-issue - U.S. built of course - would likely have me reaching for my wallet...
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: TBird1958 on January 21, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
I interviewed JC. He said basses will come!
   

 Thunderbird II Reverse.......and then maybe a Non Reverse.  :-*   

Please in some color like Pelham Blue or Inverness Green, even my kitty wants one!

(https://i.imgur.com/tPNPME6.jpg)
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Dave W on January 21, 2020, 02:36:03 PM
A Rivoli reissue would sell if it's reasonably priced for a US made semihollow.
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Basvarken on January 22, 2020, 01:30:16 AM
By the way;
The new "Gibson inspired" headstocks of the Epiphone guitars don't look like they got the open book shape correct. Something looks different about them.
The edges don't curl back up enough. Or is it just me?

(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/epiphoneheadstocks_dxlmrv.jpg)
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Chris P. on January 22, 2020, 01:53:34 AM
I think Gibson's are flatter and a bit different yes. Maybe they still wanted a small difference?
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: amptech on January 22, 2020, 03:08:32 AM
By the way;
The new "Gibson inspired" headstocks of the Epiphone guitars don't look like they got the open book shape correct. Something looks different about them.
The edges don't curl back up enough. Or is it just me?


I don't think it's supposed to be the same, here's how they describe it:

(Quote) 'Epiphone's new Inspired By Gibson Collections will drop the sharp angles of Epiphone's recent headstocks and soften their curves into the "open-book" style, while still being differentiated from Gibson's own design.'
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 22, 2020, 07:12:41 AM
I'm all for these new headstocks as long as they improve sound.  :popcorn:

Now, can we move on to something even more relevant?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
By the way;
The new "Gibson inspired" headstocks of the Epiphone guitars don't look like they got the open book shape correct. Something looks different about them.
The edges don't curl back up enough. Or is it just me?

(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/epiphoneheadstocks_dxlmrv.jpg)
I think the same thing.  It looks like the "V" is too tight and the radii on top too narrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlByIHd5DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlByIHd5DE)
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: BTL on January 22, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
I really like the shape on the new Epi 339s:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1gluHg8QHxbshDOQ8t06AHjIHlLekFkKIMHb-VmHoZWuYR4jR&s)
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: gearHed289 on January 23, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
I'm all for these new headstocks as long as they improve sound break off just as easily.

Fixed it...
Title: Re: USA Epiphone --- it's happening
Post by: uwe on January 23, 2020, 03:52:14 PM
 :mrgreen: Which, indisputably, does affect sound!