The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Denis on April 04, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
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I just can't get over how time has been so unkind to members of Lynyrd Skynyrd. All of them should have lived to be old men.
http://www.people.com/article/bob-burns-dead-lynyrd-skynyrd-drummer-dies-car-crash?xid=rss-topheadlines
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I agree. Very sad, very tragic.
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Sad indeed :sad:. Collectively, these guys have had about the worst luck I've ever seen :o.
Rick
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Friday 21st October 1977 was just another day for some folks... the news stung me... one by one they're being called home... Won't you fly free-bird...
rip...
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RIP Bob. I listened to the version of "Trust" that he was on for the longest time before I heard the version on Gimme Back My Bullets and the tune never sounded right to me without Bobby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37QQIUnWckI
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I'm seeing the remains next week - they have a solitary gig in Germany. My son is a Lynyrd Sky-nerd!!! I don't how often he made me listen to the studio version of Free Bird on our trip (I had previously only know the live one from "One
for from the road").
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My favourite live version was from a BBC recording of a gig they played in Cardiff on the first part of the '75-'76 tour... It's commercially available now but was a boot' for years called "Cardiff Peaches"... had it on vinyl shortly after I saw them the first time... I was packing up my tee's over the weekend and came across my "On The British Road" tour shirt... still just about wearable...
How was the father/son bondage bonding trip...?
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He likes Jimmy Page. I will disinherit him.
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Simple disinheriting may be too good for him...
Tell him he will be relegated to budget copies in future... something RB would not even be interested in destroying in his heyday...
And cheap strings... :vader:
Hmm... I think I can hear music... loud Wagnerian music... and the smell of hot, musty lederhosen, on a warm august night in Bavaria... :mrgreen: :toast:
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Will him your collection of Polka CDs.
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That may be taking it too far, Al... :mrgreen:
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My favourite live version was from a BBC recording of a gig they played in Cardiff on the first part of the '75-'76 tour...
That Cardiff show is very good, but isn't that the tour when they were short one guitar player? Before Gaines joined up?
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When they played Reading or some other live festival in the UK, Gaines was already with them. Weren't they two lead guitars all the way originally and Gaines only joined as the third man a few days or weeks before "One
for from the road" was recorded?
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always 3 guitars. the third guy in the original band was ed king from the strawberry alarm clock. i saw LS open for the who back in the early seventies.
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Ah, I had forgotten about him. Collins, Rossington, King - that makes sense.
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I was never all that much of a LS fan. I could be wrong on some of this. But from what I remember Ed had a lot to do with writing "Sweet Home Alabama." That was a plus. But the minus part is that, evidently, they put him on bass for a while. That didn't work out at all. Leon Wilkeson was brought back in. The last thing I read about Ed King is that he was living in Nashville. My knowledge is incomplete, though. I know there was some kind of problem with Ed wanting to rejoin, but they wouldn't let him. I don't know what that was about. Maybe the band had too many guitarists? This is coming from someone who has a preference listening to 3-piece bands, though.
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Wasn't he more behind Free Bird and (also) played bass on it before Leon Wilkenson joined (or rejoined)? He was with LS after their reunion in the late 80ies for a while, but left them again and last I heard he is indeed in Nashville.
A penchant for three lead guitar bands you say?! :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9r4TjxzmPk
That is not David Lee Roth btw. Just his spiritual dad.
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From memory, Leon quit before they started the final recordings for the first album, and Ed volunteered to step in on bass at short notice... Leon came back in time for the cover shots and Ed went over to permanent lead
Ed co-wrote and played the lead on Sweet Home, and was responsible for several other popular numbers if you check out his canon...
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I think most of the questions can be answered in this interview. Although not so much of a LS fan, I do prefer "Sweet Home Alabama" to "Ramblin' Man." Ed is frank about considering the Allman Brothers to be superior to LS, though. (Both of these songs are mentioned in the article, BTW.)
As for 3-piece bands, of course I obviously mean I have a preference for guitar, bass, and drums. But that's a combination rarely used successfully. But when it can be done right, it's great. For me, Cream is the prime example. With LS, as I had remembered correctly, the 3 guitars thing came about when Ed had to switch from bass back to guitar. One thing about this interview is that he says he can play bass better than guitar (although obviously preferring guitar.) But when any bassist is mentioned, he always says that bassist was better than he ever was. I think this is true modesty and not false modesty on his part.
I typed all this before seeing the post right above me.
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Lynyrd-Skynyrds-Ed-King-913.aspx
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King's bass playing on the studio version is different to what Wilkeson did live, but it is not really a question of what is "better". Wilkeson sounds more organic to me, King more quirky and technically a bit more daring, bit more "British" even. There are some quick runs on the studio version that Wilkeson just wouldn't do.
The big difference between the Allmans and LS is for me that the blues influence with the first is a lot more profound and that LS had none of that jazzy-improvisational approach the Allmans had. But they are really quite different bands. And if you take all of the brain out of LS, you end up with Molly Hatchet (who still had their moments).
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Only 2 guitars here (and a FenderBird from the Ox). Rossington and Collins. Wonder what the story was? And apparently Collins wore his strap over the dorsal fin of his FireBird the same way he did later with the Explorer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abDFdnknGYs
I have to confess, I did not realize there was a drummer before Artimus Pyle. RIP Bob Burns.
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What the... weird to see somebody else playing a Fenderbird! Was that literally borrowed from Entwistle?
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King's bass playing on the studio version is different to what Wilkeson did live, but it is not really a question of what is "better". Wilkeson sounds more organic to me, King more quirky and technically a bit more daring, bit more "British" even. There are some quick runs on the studio version that Wilkeson just wouldn't do.
The big difference between the Allmans and LS is for me that the blues influence with the first is a lot more profound and that LS had none of that jazzy-improvisational approach the Allmans had. But they are really quite different bands. And if you take all of the brain out of LS, you end up with Molly Hatchet (who still had their moments).
I just found this totally by accident. I haven't had time to listen to the whole thing, but fully intend to when I can. I listened to about the first three minutes. Evidently, this is Ed King. If he thinks he isn't good enough on bass, I've got news for him: he's good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcK5fOnZL_8
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I think all of Ed's lines are great. I transcribed Poison Whiskey and that's a hoot to play. After Ed left the group, Skynyrd only had a leaned down two guitar line up for a while until they got Steve.
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What the... weird to see somebody else playing a Fenderbird! Was that literally borrowed from Entwistle?
They toured ('74 iirc) supporting the Who and JAE gifted Wilkeson with the bass... they got on well, by all accounts...
I watched that OGWT show when it was broadcast and saw them shortly after on the second half of the tour... by an odd quirk, that was the only time they were broadcast "live"...
Tom... what do you mean, you wonder what the story was...?
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They toured ('74 iirc) supporting the Who and JAE gifted Wilkeson with the bass... they got on well, by all accounts...
I watched that OGWT show when it was broadcast and saw them shortly after on the second half of the tour... by an odd quirk, that was the only time they were broadcast "live"...
Tom... what do you mean, you wonder what the story was...?
You've had quite a ringside seat watching rock history unfold through the years.
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I think all of Ed's lines are great. I transcribed Poison Whiskey and that's a hoot to play. After Ed left the group, Skynyrd only had a leaned down two guitar line up for a while until they got Steve.
My favorite has always been "Gimme Three Steps." It's just a cool song.
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The problem with ring-side seats is that I might have seen the Ali V Frazier era but I missed Clay being knocked down by Cooper... ;)
Living in London and especially the likes of the Hammersmith Odeon meant I had a lot of opportunity to see some great bands, but I still feel my deep regrets are missing the original ACG and only seeing Alice for a first time for the WTMN tour at Wembley, and seeing early Bad Co but missing Free and Kossoff in BSC when they played and recorded the live show in Croydon, and so on...
The only time I ever saw Aerosmith was on the Rocks tour... etc...
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I just found this totally by accident. I haven't had time to listen to the whole thing, but fully intend to when I can. I listened to about the first three minutes. Evidently, this is Ed King. If he thinks he isn't good enough on bass, I've got news for him: he's good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcK5fOnZL_8
That's beautiful, very crafted, but not at all like Wilkeson plays, who is much earthier. This sounds like someone who exactly knows what he is doing (and has put some thought into it) while Wilkeson relies much more on intuition and a good ear. That is not knocking him, just two different approaches though my playing is more in the Ed King category. But I sometimes admire the organic guys who just play without seemingly giving it a thought. :-\
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Tom... what do you mean, you wonder what the story was...?
I was wondering why they only had 2 guitarists in that clip.
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after the second LS record came out and bob was out of the band, he moved to my town for awhile. he promptly ran over a pedestrian and was charged with manslaughter. his bad luck began quite early. :sad:
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That's beautiful, very crafted, but not at all like Wilkeson plays, who is much earthier. This sounds like someone who exactly knows what he is doing (and has put some thought into it) while Wilkeson relies much more on intuition and a good ear. That is not knocking him, just two different approaches though my playing is more in the Ed King category. But I sometimes admire the organic guys who just play without seemingly giving it a thought. :-\
I've always liked the Mad Hatter, but especially after listening to some of these things lately, I really like Ed King, too. Besides that, Ed literally saved Leon's life once. I'm sure Leon would never have anything bad to say about Ed King. But to say more, I'd just be repeating what I've already said on past threads. I'll just say, though, that I was around people who were Allman Brothers fanatics and it was a little hard to give LS the full credit they were due.
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The problem with ring-side seats is that I might have seen the Ali V Frazier era but I missed Clay being knocked down by Cooper... ;)
Living in London and especially the likes of the Hammersmith Odeon meant I had a lot of opportunity to see some great bands, but I still feel my deep regrets are missing the original ACG and only seeing Alice for a first time for the WTMN tour at Wembley, and seeing early Bad Co but missing Free and Kossoff in BSC when they played and recorded the live show in Croydon, and so on...
The only time I ever saw Aerosmith was on the Rocks tour... etc...
I definitely have some regrets, too, but it would be literally impossible for someone living in London to even see half of what he wanted to see.
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I was wondering why they only had 2 guitarists in that clip.
Ed dropped out due to road-stress and stuff circa the Nuthin' Fancy era... what they nicknamed the Torture Tour... so for the Gimme Back My Bullets tour they went out like that... they ended part of the UK tour in '75 with that OGWT show, and came back for some extra dates at the start of '76... the OGWT show is presently a DVD that comes with the deluxe edition of GBMB...
As an aside, there are some pictures around of Steve Gaines on the tour bus for the GBMB UK tour, although he was not a member of the band at that point "officially"...
... but it would be literally impossible for someone living in London to even see half of what he wanted to see.
I tried... :mrgreen:
I ended up missing April Wine (who I really liked) to see an extra show by Rainbow that was slotted in at short notice... Uwe might be horrified to hear this but I wish I'd gone to see April Wine...
The Marquee club was one of my favourite places... they used to allow me to get up on the stage and stand behind the "stage left" PA stack to take pictures... Wishbone Ash in a 400 capacity venue was fun, even when someone slipped the fire exit and an extra 300 crammed in...!!! a real liggers place though... :-\
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The Marquee Club is about as legendary as it gets. I've seen references to it many times.
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Fell out of it a few times... :mrgreen:
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Fell out of it a few times... :mrgreen:
Strangely enough, that isn't surprising. LOL.
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;)
Once relocated I'll probably get the chance to start going through the old negative pile...
Fave Marquee gigs... Gillan, four times in three differing formats... Wishbone Ash... Max Webster... Pretenders, before they made it... Girl (a pre Def Leppard outfit)... Gary Moore (with Paice one time, Tommy ALdridge another, and as G-Force with Mark Nauseef a third time)... the Blues Band (Paul Jones/ Manfred Mann)... there were many others...
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Once relocated I'll probably get the chance to start going through the old negative pile...
Fave Marquee gigs... Gillan, four times in three differing formats... Wishbone Ash... Max Webster... Pretenders, before they made it... Girl (a pre Def Leppard outfit)... Gary Moore (with Paice one time, Tommy ALdridge another, and as G-Force with Mark Nauseef a third time)... the Blues Band (Paul Jones/ Manfred Mann)... there were many others...
I have a feeling some of those photographs are going to end up being valuable.