The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: uwe on July 31, 2013, 10:33:03 AM
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Has this been discussed here before? Lollar Thunderbird pups and by the sound the bass has in the demo some of you should be in ecstasy at their first listen. Throaty. Interesting how that piezo adds vintage distortion!
(http://www.deimelguitarworks.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/FS_bass_00.jpg)
(http://www.notreble.com/buzz/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Deimel-Guitarworks-Firestar-Bass-Front-620x215.jpg)
http://www.deimelguitarworks.de/home/firestar-bass/images/
http://www.deimelguitarworks.de/home/firestar-bass/premier-guitar-firestar-bass-demo/
http://www.deimelguitarworks.de/home/firestar-bass/vintage-rare-firestar-bass-demo/
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here... (http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=7986.0)
[legal-eagle-mode] You have been somewhat pre-occupied of late so easy to miss things... [/legal-eagle-mode] ;)
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Alas!, memory a fickle thing is. :mrgreen:
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Alas!, memory a fickle thing is. :mrgreen:
Familiar, that phrasing sounds. I always suspected Uwe had a bit of this gent in his DNA.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-owDId04LUIk/UZ-Rb0m4UHI/AAAAAAAAg2Y/zvP5-rKdbcU/s1600/Yoda2.jpg)
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It's the forehead... and the ears... ;D
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I'd like the looks better with a more Victory-esque pickguard and better knobs. Don't put 70's Fender amp knobs on an instrument. However, sonically, it appears this one tackles the the three big pickup bass format much better than the more Fender-looking Godin Shifter (http://www.godinguitars.com/godinshifterbassp.htm), but for the price difference, it had better.
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I'd like the looks better with a more Victory-esque pickguard and better knobs. Don't put 70's Fender amp knobs on an instrument.
Why not? Gibson did that all the time in the late sixties :)
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I just watched the Premier Guitar piece. I like this bass a lot.
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I like a lot about it ... but... upside down headstock... why why why?
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for higher string tension on the E string perhaps?
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I read an interview with the bass player from Jimmy Eat World and he was going on about having left handed necks put on his custom shop P-basses...quick search laters:
Q: As far as your bass rig goes, do you use the same setup in the studio as you do live? I saw on a late night show that you used a Fender P-Bass with a reverse headstock on it. Do you use that one a lot?
A: That guitar came together, I guess it was a few years ago. I had it and the neck was broken on it, so I called up a friend at Fender, and he said, “Hey, you guys tune down a lot, right?”, which we do; we play a lot of the songs in C#, so he recommended that I try the reverse headstock. What that does is it makes the E-string have more length, and what that does is, it helps stabilize that really low note. Because before, and I had noticed this, when I’d hit the string and I was tuning, you can see the movement of the string would add tension and change the pitch of the string.
...so it was (apparently) a tuning issue. No idea whether there's any validity in this, you would also need to factor in string gauge...I mean would you tune a .100 or .95 to C#?
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I don't know whether or not it would stabilize the note in that situation; it's certainly possible. There's a noticeable change in feel with a reverse headstock, although the actual tension doesn't change.
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The brake angle behind the nut is more shallow on a reversed Fender headstock's bottom string compared to standard configuration, which means that tuner movement exerts less direct torque, making detuning easier.
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peizo adds an interesting tone. what is price point?
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Prices are in the other deimel topic
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Well first of all thanks a lot, as beeing the guy building these bass guitars, its a an honor to hear such good comments on it. I try to explain a little, how this bass guitar got started off. First we did the Firestar guitar, which went quite successful on the international market. We wanted to do a sibbling bass guitar to our existing line, and developed a bass guitar upon our guitar philosophy. That mainly consists of taking the best of the most desired worlds, and to merge it all together into one good new design.
Our Firestar design also lead to the decision to use a reversed headstock on a bass guitar, and the reason is indeed, that the attack of the string is totally different from a regular placement of tuners. Actually you need to get a longer section of the same string diameter to the same "E" like a shorter section. That alone gives a player another plucking feel. The low E-String gets some more room somehow, less chorus effect as heard on many longscale basses with regular tuner placement.
On our guitars we found out, it adds some more chordal vibes, as also some smoother bends on the treble strings. For Jimi Hendrix it turned out to have no other chance, and his sound is also based on that fact. The bass strings just have some more room to develop, maybe a bit looser feeling on the initial attack, but with more equal vibration. That is my experience. The tuning comfort is actually quite good to handle, though not easy to convince traditionalists.
Best, Frank
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Welcome, Frank.
Thanks for your e-mail exchanges over the weekend.
Best
Paul
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Welcome and thanks! As editor I read the review Rob made for De Bassist. He likes it:D
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Out of my price range but still a beautiful instrument...
Welcome...
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Welcome Frank!
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For Jimi Hendrix it turned out to have no other chance, and his sound is also based on that fact.
Along with other facts, of course.. Talent, mojo, acid, etc...
By the way, stunning instrument, no matter what knobs you put on it ;D
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Ah, ein Landsmann!