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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: wellREDman on March 10, 2019, 05:23:11 AM
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more children doing Classic rock, the singer has quite a voice on her, although she does seem to be channeling Anne Wilson in her prime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkLWC-clCjk
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I don't hear Ann Wilson.
To me it sounds like she's trying very hard to sound like Ronnie James Dio. And ruining her vocal cords while doing so, because she's forcing an overdrive in her voice that is not naturally there.
I'd love to hear her sing in her own voice. The lady can obviously sing.
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even better, shes the bass player usually
I think that's her natural voice as she sounds like that on all the other songs, unfortunately the original stuff they do doesn't seem as inspired as their covers
I wasnt grabbed by the guitarist on the Dio tune but I really like his take on sandman using pinched harmonics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INouvLl1JiQ
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even better, shes the bass player usually
That's fantastic. The best singers are always bass players.
I think that's her natural voice
In that case, I wonder how she sounds when she orders a loaf of bread at the bakery store :mrgreen:
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They were just competing on World's Best with James Cordon. They made it to the second round & lost, not by much if I remember correctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xua_RPHS3a4
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more children doing Classic rock, the singer has quite a voice on her, although she does seem to be channeling Anne Wilson in her prime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkLWC-clCjk
Never the strongest Dio composition, I agree with Rob, it's too forced. Maybe you need to be grown up a little to do Dio credibly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioqFG_M5Eng
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Never the strongest Dio composition, I agree with Rob, it's too forced. Maybe you need to be grown up a little to do Dio credibly.
It's too plodding, just a collections of the right riffs but no groove whatsoever. It works on the Metallica cover because Metallica IS a plodding groove built around Lars' innumerably edit-comped drum tracks, but Dio's original had the finesse of a velvet glove giving a prostate exam. Slowing it down just the fraction that it is in the video removes the good kind of music tension and replaces it with bad tension.
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That Benedictum version is horrible! Talk about plodding! Geez :o
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I still like his more mature Elf work best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zABqvT9BP-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Ms3vS-yDk&index=2&list=PLOtylfD3ZrnQ_tI9spvmQ7eTMuODYxF_v
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYx8349nzbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEEtmse5kNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsZbBaduJOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAWxZqM_bTQ&list=PLOtylfD3ZrnQ_tI9spvmQ7eTMuODYxF_v
With every band that followed Elf (Rainbow, Sabbath, Dio) he narrowed down his style more, lyrically, vocally and musically. I thought that so unneccesary - he was good at being versatile and putting his stamp on everything he sang.
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It was such a relief/highlight hearing him sing something like that in 1999 (I was at the gig in the RAH), after decades of this heavyhanded, one-dimensional dungeons & druids & dragons stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXnkJkw_sFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaCl7Ce95M
Good Decent backing band too.
I love Man On The Silver Mountain, Stargazer, Heaven & Hell, Gates of Babylon & Egypt as much as anyone, but it got a bit much after a while.
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Now here's an up and coming young band, that guy on the far left has some cool dance moves. :vader:
https://youtu.be/IECo3FAGQBw
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But is it country, Dave?
Now you know why band mate Ian Gillan named him smooth dancer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5-lcDX0lG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXr2Car9gT4
He learned throwing his characteristic shapes (later on ripped off by Yngwie)
(http://www.radiotangra.com/album/bfe6f0fb466a5dcf7196e2ebdcfc1b5b.jpg)
(http://www.deep-purple.net/gallery/rainbow78/ritchie-blackmore-2.jpg)
(http://www.monsters-of-rock-germany.de/s/cc_images/teaserbox_2461988163.jpg?t=1446720683)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9ZO4HjMnU8aFoBZvONk1ZdeGXEc60fq5VpZZAlZNe1JgykrKM8w)
(https://www.udiscovermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/RICHIE-BLACKMORE-RAINBOW-compressor-300x225.jpg)
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rainbow-ritchie-blackmore-wreking-guitar-on-stage-at-nippon-budokan-picture-id593326603)
while playing with Lord Sutch who forced his underage, shy guitarist to develop a stage persona.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/photo-of-carlo-little-and-ritchie-blackmore-and-screaming-lord-sutch-picture-id85514643)
(http://idata.over-blog.com/4/69/47/19/skeudennou-rock/savages_small.jpg)
He only learned from the best:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/17/53/6617539de96d7b176f5d83c724d6989f.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/ee/85/e1ee855c6e8b00341cef88a40bb00444.jpg)
But of course there was also an early talent in him for making himself look good:
(http://blackmoresnight.co.uk/images/ritchie-blackmore-story/ritchie-blackmore-story-youngster.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/15/77/3915773f7ebfa44df32c0c062be42804.jpg)
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He dances just like a girl who has to pee. :mrgreen:
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With every band that followed Elf (Rainbow, Sabbath, Dio) he narrowed down his style more, lyrically, vocally and musically. I thought that so unneccesary - he was good at being versatile and putting his stamp on everything he sang.
Yeah, I loved him with Rainbow and Sabbath, but by the time he started his solo career, he was like a cartoon version of himself.
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I still like his more mature Elf work best:
That first one is quite nice but something about the melody and delivery brought back a memory :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWo6Y-i-U0
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That first one is quite nice but something about the melody and delivery brought back a memory :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWo6Y-i-U0
LOL, I hear the similarity. To be fair, a lot of Elf's music stemmed from Mickey Lee Soule, the keyboard piano player who was also in the first Rainbow line up and had a short stint with Ian Gillan Band (plus helped on Roger Glover's Butterfly Ball project). He later on moved out of music but returned to the DP family eventually as Jon Lord's keyboard and later on Roger Glover's bass tech. He's also the guy playing piano on the RAH videos with Ronnie. Soule was/is a very underrated musician.
https://mickeyleesoule.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YA6h5BQP_A
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:popcorn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVbbtuJfgIc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_gtGfAail4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_gtGfAail4)
Gets great at :49
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It took me a while to realize that dad = Meatloaf, I first thought he just looked a lot like him. :mrgreen:
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Never the strongest Dio composition, I agree with Rob, it's too forced. Maybe you need to be grown up a little to do Dio credibly.
Small window of opportunity. By the time most (male) singers are mature enough to credibly channel Dio, their voices are already past their peak. Having said that, I've heard Ray Gillen sing it better - off the cuff, in a garage in NJ - than either of the above.
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Small window of opportunity. By the time most (male) singers are mature enough to credibly channel Dio, their voices are already past their peak. Having said that, I've heard Ray Gillen sing it better - off the cuff, in a garage in NJ - than either of the above.
Ray Gillen! That man was a force of nature. One of the best singers ever.
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Ray Gillen! That man was a force of nature. One of the best singers ever.
That he was. I knew Ray since the 1970s because we had a lot of common friends and grew up in the same area of NJ. He didn't really explode vocally until the early '80s, though. He would randomly show up at my band's rehearsal space (the aforementioned garage) to write, jam and generally make fun of one another, lol. At one point I was feeding him a steady diet of Ian Gillan's Jesus Christ Superstar cuts - he was not familiar with it at the time. When the first Badlands album came out, I called to congratulate him. He thanked me and said "Listen to the scream in the middle of 'Streets Cry Freedom' - I was totally thinking of you and the Ian Gillan stuff when I recorded that"
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Now here's an up and coming young band, that guy on the far left has some cool dance moves. :vader:
https://youtu.be/IECo3FAGQBw
I think it's a case of exceptionally tight whities!
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That he was. I knew Ray since the 1970s because we had a lot of common friends and grew up in the same area of NJ. He didn't really explode vocally until the early '80s, though. He would randomly show up at my band's rehearsal space (the aforementioned garage) to write, jam and generally make fun of one another, lol. At one point I was feeding him a steady diet of Ian Gillan's Jesus Christ Superstar cuts - he was not familiar with it at the time. When the first Badlands album came out, I called to congratulate him. He thanked me and said "Listen to the scream in the middle of 'Streets Cry Freedom' - I was totally thinking of you and the Ian Gillan stuff when I recorded that"
Wow! That is so cool that you knew him personally.
I have been in touch with Greg Chaisson since the MySpace days. He still speaks highly of Ray and his former Badlands bandmates.
And Rob Lamothe, who is an old friend of mine, also thinks Ray Gillen is one of the best singers ever. He recorded a song (twice) called Blue Ray about him. And he sang a version of Badlands song The River on Greg Chaisson's solo-album as a tribute to Ray too.
Second version of Blue Ray by Rob Lamothe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHreiIqRh04
The River taken from Greg Chaisson solo album with Rob Lamothe on lead vocal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unPhrUqFaJA
The original by Badlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZdJCslRn4
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Wow! That is so cool that you knew him personally.
I have been in touch with Greg Chaisson since the MySpace days. He still speaks highly of Ray and his former Badlands bandmates.
And Rob Lamothe, who is an old friend of mine, also thinks Ray Gillen is one of the best singers ever. He recorded a song (twice) called Blue Ray about him. And he sang a version of Badlands song The River on Greg Chaisson's solo-album as a tribute to Ray too.
Never heard that version of Blue Ray - cool. Love Rob's voice - Riverdogs was one of the bright spots of that late 80s era. I'm friends with Greg on FB also, but have never met him (or any of the other Badlands members) personally. I'm going to see Red Dragon Cartel at the end of the month. Just bought the new album but haven't listened as yet.
Not to turn this into an appreciation thread, but Ray was an enigma. He always kept his options open and would jam with anybody. He had an uncanny ability to instantly come up with a melody for almost anything that the band played - and if you already had a melody, he always got the most out of it.
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Never heard that version of Blue Ray - cool. Love Rob's voice - Riverdogs was one of the bright spots of that late 80s era. I'm friends with Greg on FB also, but have never met him (or any of the other Badlands members) personally. I'm going to see Red Dragon Cartel at the end of the month. Just bought the new album but haven't listened as yet.
What I've heard so far sounds good. Much better than the first album of RDC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCtHD8C-L1E
Greg recently sat in with RDC to play one or two Badlands songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRM-KmIupc
Not to turn this into an appreciation thread, but Ray was an enigma. He always kept his options open and would jam with anybody. He had an uncanny ability to instantly come up with a melody for almost anything that the band played - and if you already had a melody, he always got the most out of it.
I think were done talking about Great van Fleet. So if this thread turns into an appreciation thread for people who cold actually sing that's perfectly fine with me.
Ray Gillen had a very recognizable melodic style. If you listen to Black Sabbath's Eternal Idol you can hear Ray's melodies carbon-copied by Tony Martin.
Rob Lamothe says Ray was one of the best singers he ever heard. And Rob is an amazing singer himself.
Have you heard the 2017 Riverdogs album California? It was recorded with the original line-up form the first album. Per request of the record company they tried to capture the vibe of that 1989 debut album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL7TvByitMY
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I got that - good album!
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This guy sounds impressively close to Ray Gillen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjtLhdgObQQ
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This guy sounds impressively close to Ray Gillen:
Yeah, Ive seen this. The kid is good, no question. He's probably the closest to nailing Ray's tone that I've heard.
Have you ever seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxK6gU5kaI&frags=pl%2Cwn
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Yeah I've seen that before.
What a clumsy young puppy he was there :mrgreen:
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Yeah I've seen that before.
What a clumsy young puppy he was there :mrgreen:
Then there's this pic from the vault. The guy just to Ray's left is Gregg Munier (RIP), later a founding member and the keyboard player of Saraya - the late 80s band - also an old friend.
(http://i.imgur.com/ItMcLGb.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ItMcLGb)
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Sorry, I have to digress for a while (for the avoidance of doubt, I have the new Jake E. Lee CD and I think he was the most gifted Ozzy guitarist - and that includes Randy):
Steven W (everybody's favorite bespectacled-depressive Dark Prog nerd/intellectual) has chipped in with/against the Gretas:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/steven-wilson-slams-abysmal-greta-van-fleet-theyre-like-a-boy-band-led-zeppelin
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SHS2pDUStHZZAtimZ8Q2j9-970-80.jpg)
I like Porcupine Tree and his solo work (plus am thankful for his many excellent remixes of Prog greats), but what exactly is "abysmal" or even conceptually wrong with a "boy-band-Led Zeppelin"? Led Zep were a "boy-band-Yardbirds" themselves and milked/lemon-juiced Plant's sex appeal (which Keith Relf admittedly lacked) abundantly, they made/stole a whole song about an orgasm. Old pots calling the new kettle black.
Greta obviously fill a void for younger rock listeners who want to hear classic rock, but not see middle-aged men/senior citizens. If that gets them away from non-rock bands or the umpteenth shoegazer music combo, then I wouldn't mind if there were another dozen Gretas. Bring'em on.
As a Rick Springfield fan, I never had issues with someone looking gorgeous and still playing music I could like. You can't have it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fn3Ze8xVOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo0uTu2uLtI
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PS: I'll report about the new Red Dragon Cartel release once I have heard it! :mrgreen:
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PS: I'll report about the new Red Dragon Cartel release once I have heard it! :mrgreen:
I finally had the opportunity to sit down and listen to the RDC "Patina" album, and I'm not impressed - to the point where I'm probably going to bail on seeing them live. I find it to be almost an Alice In Chains vibe - dark and brooding, minus the catchy choruses that sometimes rear their heads in AIC's music. There are plenty of songs that start out sounding promising, but then reveal themselves to be kind of rudderless, never finding a direction or focus. Jake's guitar sound is grainy and lacking punch - IMHO, of course. Not thrilled with the singer, either.
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Greta obviously fill a void for younger rock listeners who want to hear classic rock, but not see middle-aged men/senior citizens. If that gets them away from non-rock bands or the umpteenth shoegazer music combo, then I wouldn't mind if there were another dozen Gretas. Bring'em on.
hhmmm way I've heard tell is their audiences are full of older guys congratulating themselves on following a "younger" band
just hearsay mind, they haven't toured over here so I've yet to see them (or their audience)
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hhmmm way I've heard tell is their audiences are full of older guys congratulating themselves on following a "younger" band
just hearsay mind, they haven't toured over here so I've yet to see them (or their audience)
Exactly right. I have two sons in the same age group as the GVF guys. I asked them if they or any of their friends liked GVF. The response I got was "No - everyone hates them. They're just a Walmart version of Led Zeppelin."
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My son is 24 and likes them - though not as much as Colter Wall (which he saw in Munich last night). He finds their attempts to copy Led Zep benevolently amusing, but appreciates the work and sheer determination that goes in it. He als feels they have a heart and guts plus a feel for the music.
And he holds the opinion that any type of rock music suffers badly once the protagonists playing it are past 30. :mrgreen:
Did I tell you about his snide remark when I asked him why the world is awash with Zep copycats, yet no one apes Deep Purple? "That's because Led Zeppelin still moves and intrigues people 40 years after they have split up and your Deep Purple doesn't, dad." :mrgreen:
I'll disinherit the little bugger. And his sister. She didn't even know who Don Airey was when I called her yesterday before his solo band's gig. When I reminded her of a DP concert in the 90ies which she had witnessed largely on my shoulder (with ELP opening), she wisecracked: "Yeah, I remember that, child abuse knows many forms." ;)
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My son is 24 and likes them - though not as much as Colter Wall (which he saw in Munich last night). He finds their attempts to copy Led Zep benevolently amusing, but appreciates the work and sheer determination that goes in it. He als feels they have a heart and guts plus a feel for the music.
And he holds the opinion that any type of rock music suffers badly once the protagonists playing it are past 30. :mrgreen:
Did I tell you about his snide remark when I asked him why the world is awash with Zep copycats, yet no one apes Deep Purple? "That's because Led Zeppelin still moves and intrigues people 40 years after they have split up and your Deep Purple doesn't, dad." :mrgreen:
I'll disinherit the little bugger. And his sister. She didn't even know who Don Airey was when I called her yesterday before his solo band's gig. When I reminded her of a DP concert in the 90ies which she had witnessed largely on my shoulder (with ELP opening), she wisecracked: "Yeah, I remember that, child abuse knows many forms." ;)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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EXCLUSIVE!
New Greta Van Fleet song!
https://youtu.be/qC8M49GukG8
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Another exclusive! Greta Van Fleet's new lead singer!
https://youtu.be/vg7ftpjhJ08
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Good pitch!
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Advanced vibrato!
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He used to sing with Family I believe ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69eEpI15M-M
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What I've heard so far sounds good. Much better than the first album of RDC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCtHD8C-L1E
Finally got round to listening to it. Yup, definitely an Alice in Chains influence there, which is not a bad thing in my book, they are the only grunge band I can bear listening to for more than a few songs. Some of the riffs sound very sabbathish, circa Sabotage era. Jake's guitar solos are pleasantly old skool and even bluesy. I can easily picture Ozzy singing over some of those backing tracks. Definitely better than the debut.