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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Basvarken on March 07, 2016, 11:59:57 PM
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AC/DC postpone tour as Brian Johnson faces total hearing loss...
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/acdc-postpone-2016-tour/
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“will be made up later in the year, likely with a guest vocalist.” fills me with a nagging, gnawing fear that Dave Grohl will inject himself into yet another band's bloodstream.
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Even before the making of the last album, Johnson was concerned whether he was "still up to it" - maybe he had an inkling. Going deaf for a living, alright. He's done his service for AC/DC and rock'n'roll, not worth losing your hearing about it. BTW, Bon Scott was near-deaf at the end of his years with AC/DC too, their stage volume took no prisoners.
Status Quo have anounced that they will retire from "electric concerts" this year (unplugged and sitting down will continue), Francis Rossi, never one to mince words, says that "after each gig, these days everything f***ing hurts". And Rick Parfitt's most frequent organ is by now the bypass.
Back to the Aussies: Amazes me that they are even considering to continue without Brian J (forever in the shadown of Bon Scott, he nevertheless put his stamp on everything since Back in Black) - they might as well just put Angus on stage by himself if that is all that counts. AC/DC is not Rainbow, it's not like one man embodies the band.
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This is how
the world AC/DC ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
It certainly doesn't sound promising at all if they are already talking about guest singers. Maybe Angus is one of those guys that would die if he ever quit touring but successfully replacing the singer for the second time is a long shot. In a lot of ways it was a miracle that they were able to find someone who pushed the band to new heights the first time, but now? Here's to hoping after some time off and some good Doctors Brian can find a way to come back at least for a farewell bow.
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a lovely story about how Johnson came to be in AC/DC, dunno if its true but I hope so..
apparently before moving to Aus, Bon Scott had played in a band that supported Brian Johnson's band, and he had made such an impression on Bon that he had talked about him as an inspiration to the AC/DC guys. So when they were considering a new singer, one of them went " hey lets track down that guy Bon was always banging on about" and the rest as they say is history
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Pretty much. The version of the story from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Johnson is great:
Angus Young recalled: "I remember Bon playing me Little Richard, and then telling me the story of when he saw Brian singing [with Geordie]." He says about that night: "There's this guy up there screaming at the top of his lungs and then the next thing you know he hits the deck. He's on the floor, rolling around and screaming. I thought it was great, and then to top it off – you couldn't get a better encore – they came in and wheeled the guy off!'" Johnson was diagnosed with appendicitis later that night, which was the cause of his writhing around on stage
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Yup, that's pretty much how it was. They also asked Noddy Holder of Slade at the time but he didn't want to jump ship. Dan McCafferty of Nazareth turned them down too - most likely to his ultimate heartfelt regret! :) You can tell by those choices that the Young family already had a certain vocal style in mind, someome who could gravel-throatedly screech over the music with conviction.
Johnson sang with greater variation with Geordie - once he was with AC/DC he became a full force one-trick pony (which is what his new employers obviously wanted and you can't argue with the success he's had with them).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUPXFndzRgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYXhddb9D6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at9rKOk6Imw
Kinda like Dio focused (or reduced) his voice once he moved from Elf to Rainbow (with a further reduction in vocal style when he moved to Sabbath and finally Dio, the band).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYx8349nzbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU7oH_C_2UM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nZcezjz8_8
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Cute! You can already hear very well what the later Ronnie would sound like.
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Cute! You can already hear very well what the later Ronnie would sound like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRXuzB-ILY&ab_channel=DIOCIRCLE
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/DioBass1_zps5bkykrdu.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lowend1/media/DioBass1_zps5bkykrdu.jpg.html)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRXuzB-ILY&ab_channel=DIOCIRCLE
Way up high like that he sounds a lot like Hagar.
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Hmm... not loud music, but loud cars damaged his hearing...
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/brian-johnson-hearing-loss/
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hmmm... not good
http://www.cantonrep.com/entertainment/20160315/acdcs-johnson-kicked-to-curb/?Start=1
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Even with as loud as their shows are I'm not surprised at all that he could have done more damage from racing that music. I raced motorcycles for almost 2 decades and have been exposed to far greater extremes in volume that I ever have with music. Granted, the hearing loss I have experience was was mostly avoidable with proper ear protection but you're young, dumb and invincible it doesn't always cross your mind to wear protection :o
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Oh no, not him....
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumors-persist-that-axl-rose-will-sing-for-acdc/
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Ah, he's gonna do a Sabbath-Halford then!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4BthN-TjA
Meet and greet your heroes. I guess Axl could pull it off and AC/DC would be able to live with his antics and persona for 10 shows.
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They also reportedly auditioned the singer from a local AC/DC tribute band in Atlanta. It could be Ripper Owens all over again...
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Frankly: Young talents from everywhere should apply. To keep you abreast of what's out there, this gifted and blessed little lass here, for example, is Brian, Angus and Malcolm all rolled into one ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2RZXeQc5HU
How I dread the nadir of adolescent comments this video will once again provoke in this cesspool of poor taste. :-\
Once you all have calmed down and regained a semblance of decorum, what about her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHYUYKy7xw
That must be Warwick-Chris playing the bass.
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Even with as loud as their shows are I'm not surprised at all that he could have done more damage from racing that music. I raced motorcycles for almost 2 decades and have been exposed to far greater extremes in volume that I ever have with music. Granted, the hearing loss I have experience was was mostly avoidable with proper ear protection but you're young, dumb and invincible it doesn't always cross your mind to wear protection :o
Let me guess. You raced Nortons?
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I heard Axl Rose has been approached as the singer. Yeesh.
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There is a certain ruthlessness in the way the AC/DC organisation does business. The rhythm guitarist and lynchpin of the band becomes mentally ill - no matter, get the cousin to play. The drummer becomes a criminal law fallacy - ooops, get the old drummer back in. The singer with 35 years of combat duty loses his voice - hey, someone call Axl! Next, Steve Jones will dep for Angus and Steve Harris assumes Cliff Williams' duties. It will, of course, still be the full AC/DC experience.
The Scorpions just had to call off a bunch of German dates because Klaus Meine's lungs and vocal chords are inflamed, there is no talk of getting someone else in to sing. Is Klaus Meine more important to the Scorpions than Brian Johnson is to AC/DC? Likewise, I couldn't have imagined AC/DC's musical chairs with a band like Led Zeppelin: Could you envisage a Zep reunion tour with say, Bonham jr, continuing after either Jimmy Page or Robert Plant become road casualities? Or the Stones continuing a tour with off-the-cuff replacements for either Jagger or Richards?
Milking the cangaroo for what it's worth. The institution taking care of Malcolm can't be that expensive.
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My friend is recording an album and Marc Storace is scheduled to come over to do the vocals but that is on hold right now because Storace has gotten an offer from AC/DC (audition or the gig, don't know). He had turned down the gig before when it was offered to him after Bon Scotts death, a decision which he has stated that he regrets. One doesn't often get a second chance in this biz.
Needless to say, with a contract signed, plane ticket and hotel accomodations already bought, my friend is on pins and needles waiting to hear what is going to happen.
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Let me guess. You raced Nortons?
Yeah, my logon name doesn't hide much ;) Early on it was Suzuki's but I got into the vintage racing and stuck with BSA's and Norton's for the duration.
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Storace has auditioned for Purple too - when Gillan left for the second time. I wish him luck.
AC/DC really seem to stay in the mold looking for their new singer, don't they? They have their recipe and neither hell nor high water may even slightly change it. Screechers all, nothing else goes. If Dan McCafferty (formerly of Nazareth) didn't have the health issues he would probably already have a plane ticket for an audition too. What about fellow Aussie Jimmy Barnes?
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. What about fellow Aussie Jimmy Barnes?
Barnesy has health issues too I cant see him being well enough to tour.
I nearly met him once , he was supposed to come on and guest at one of SAHB's sydney shows, but he never showed up, when we got back to blighty we found out it was because he's had a heart attack that night
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It's official now. Axl joins AC/DC for the summer tour... :o
http://www.acdc.com/news?n_id=278
Well, I guess that's it for AC/DC then. So sad it had to end this way.
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It feels like a bad dream. This is horrible. I don´t think the internet is the right place to say bad thing about people, but Axl really sucks ass.
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It proves that Angus & Co have completely lost the plot. Out of all singers they could have chosen, they had to pick him?!
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Kerching... nothing more... :rolleyes:
Move along... nothing to see... move along...
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Proving that Neil Young was right....it IS better to burn out than fade away.
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:o
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10 Things I would rather do than see AC/DC with Axl Rose:
Have a root canal performed without novocaine.
Sit through a weekend long tv marathon involving Kardashians.
Colonoscopy.
Take a trip on the unsinkable Titanic.
Take a job as the website administrator of "Goop"
Trade all Gibsons for Fenders.
Join a Poison tribute band.
Visit a nude beach populated with only members of the US congress.
Go vegan.
Clean out the inside of a sewage pumping truck.
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I'll make it easy for you :mrgreen:
http://youtu.be/tW7wwIRm-9E
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Thank you Rob for for giving me a reason to pour bleach in my eyes ;D
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That was painful to listen to. I couldn't get through all of it.
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Nothing to see... move along... :mrgreen:
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The AC/DC concert goers shall decide.
I don't think Axl needed the money, was it a childhood dream come true for him? A lot of those lyrics he will probably find pretty naff singing. Actually, going out to do this when you are in the beginnings of a GnR reunion and aren't pressed financially, takes some guts. Either Axl is a brave man or blind with conceit. Probably both.
Having seen ACnRoses twice with Bon Scott and once with Brian Johnson, I might be tempted to go now just for the curiosity factor.
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I've seen AC/DC twice - the first time was Bon's last tour and the second was the Back in Black tour. No comparison. Bon's show was in the Houston Music hall where the symphony and such performed - small place, excellent acoustics, loud as all hell and damn near life changing :o The BnB show as very good but, seriously, no one can touch Bon.
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The AC/DC concert goers shall decide.
Yes. If it's really terrible, word will travel quickly.
The BnB show as very good but, seriously, no one can touch Bon.
Absolutely agree about Bon. I could never have sat through a Brian Johnson gig. But Axl? I just can't see it.
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Uwe i think your childhood dream theory is probably on the money, legend has it that Whole Lotta Rosie and Mama Kin were the two songs G'n'R jammed out when they first got together.
Axl is a dick, and can sound like a strangled cat when he doesn't get his particular screaming schitck hooked up properly, but when he's on form he does have an impressive range and power, someone on another forum suggested that he may make a better fist of the Bon Scott songs that Mr Johnson did. controversial, but we'll wait to see what the jury(audience) decides
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Any band with an ex-Manfred Mann's Earth Band/Uriah Heep/Gary Moore/Asia-drummer, an ex-Home/Al Stewart-bassist, the singer of GnR and two Australian guitarists with an ill dress sense that really haven't done anything noteworthy in other bands outside of AX/DC is bound to be interesting at least. You couldn't have made it up. I wonder if Angus is now practicing the Sweet Child of Mine-intro? :mrgreen:
I predicted Chris Slade, I did not predict Axl. :-[
If he poaches Chris Slade for GnR, some good might come out of all this! ;)
It's not any more incongruous than Ian Gillan joining Sabbath (and that spawned at least one album that is among both my favourite Sab- and Gillan-outside-of-DP-albums) or Todd Rundgren trying to be Ric Ocasek with the Cars (that spawned nothing noteworthy).
The more I think about it, the more I really have to tip my hat to Axl - he stands a lot to lose with this and very little to gain (except money he doesn't really need). The man is used to either being (at least) the front man of vintage GnR or (even) the solo star of modern day GnR (pre-reunion), he's done nothing else for the last 30 years. And now goes out with a band with two millstones round his neck (Bon Scott's nostaligia-bathed eternal status and Brian Johnson's workmanlike, but reliable 35 years of belting it out in stadiums worldwide for the Young brothers). Any singer with AC/DC is the sideman of the Young brothers, i.e. today of Angus, that's gonna be some change for the kid from Indiana. Daunting.
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“Some nights, for fun, we’re going to switch the bands. AC/DC will play Guns N’ Roses songs and Guns N’ Roses will play AC/DC songs. Of course, I will still be on stage both sets so the fans don’t miss out on seeing the greatest singer, musician, and visionary of all time!” Axl said during the special interview.
:puke:
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You shouldn't be too offended, Robby, lest it was in jest!
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since when does Axl have humor? :o :mrgreen:
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I already consider the whole operation of merging AC/DC and GnR great fun!!! All rather lovely, especially if you - like me - think both bands totally overrated. A Holy Communion of mediocrity. It was my master(race)plan all along!!!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/f1/bc/1af1bcca34bc18698621c1040a8bd7b9.jpg)
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I already consider the whole operation of merging AC/DC and GnR great fun!!! All rather lovely, especially if you - like me - think both bands totally overrated. A Holy Communion of mediocrity. It was my master(race)plan all along!!!
The "Thousand Year Rock" tour?
It could well end up the same way as it did the first time - charred remains.
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So I guess the title of this thread holds true? ;)
I actually don't know what the big deal is. Axl's voice is only slightly more annoying than Brian Johnson's.
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It's a long way to the top (of your range) if you want to screech!
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(http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3959059.jpg)
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I'm not expecting anything but suckage from this ill-advised union, so I suppose there's always the chance of being pleasantly surprised. I assumed it was pretty much over after Malcom departed. As for Axl, I dislike his voice, and never thought much of GnR after about 1988 when I briefly found them a welcome slightly-gritty respite from several years of boring hair metal on the radio and MTV. But maybe it'll work.
As for AC/DC, I've never worshipped them, but I do enjoy their classic stuff, and I like that they have proudly stuck to the same formula with mostly solid results. Usually I like a band to take chances with their music and risk failure, but why would you want that from AC/DC? It's not what they are :)
I've found in my band that AC/DC songs are some of the most difficult to cover that we've tried. There's nothing to hide behind. With something that simple, you have to get the feel right, and either you convincingly bring the ROCK, or you don't. Technique isn't that important here, and you can't compensate by overplaying or embellishing either, it doesn't add anything good to that music.
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I'm afraid it may get even worse. Lana Del Rey & Axl Rose singing together is something I hope I never have to hear.
http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/93055
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“Some nights, for fun, we’re going to switch the bands. AC/DC will play Guns N’ Roses songs and Guns N’ Roses will play AC/DC songs. Of course, I will still be on stage both sets so the fans don’t miss out on seeing the greatest singer, musician, and visionary of all time!” Axl said during the special interview.
:puke:
Wait, what? Does this mean Kanye will be touring with them? :o
I already consider the whole operation of merging AC/DC and GnR great fun!!! All rather lovely, especially if you - like me - think both bands totally overrated. A Holy Communion of mediocrity. It was my master(race)plan all along!!!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/f1/bc/1af1bcca34bc18698621c1040a8bd7b9.jpg)
Somehow I knew that Gert Frobe was behind this merger.
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Now we see Uwe's true colors...
(http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-x8dfmo/products/6371/images/29428/Gert-Frobe-in-Those-Magnificent-Men-in-their-Flying-Machines-or-How-I-Flew-From-London-to-Paris-in-25-Hours-and-11-Minutes-Premium-Photograph-and-Poster-1023643__20905.1432424622.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
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... Somehow I knew that Gert Frobe was behind this merger.
"No Mr Westheimer, I expect you to cry...!" :mrgreen:
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What did I start?! :-\
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Well, you did invade Poland... :mrgreen:
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It's all coming apart...
(http://movieactors.com/photos-stars/curt-jurgens-enemybelow-5.jpg)
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I'm afraid it may get even worse. Lana Del Rey & Axl Rose singing together is something I hope I never have to hear.
http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/93055
Interesting times indeed.
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Well, you did invade Poland... :mrgreen:
Only by accident, in defense and after continued border incidents!!!
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Only by accident, in defense and after continued border incidents!!!
:o
It was a retreat in reverse!
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Interesting times indeed.
The rumors have now been denied.
http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/93073
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I would have thought it cool. I liked it back in the day when you saw a folk singer, a metal band, some progsters and a reggae band at one festival - nowadays everything is typecast, but if I'm honest I don't really enjoy eight hours of non-stop reggae, or non-stop heavy metal or non-stop prog or non-stop folk or eight hours of anything non-stop. Eight hours of Lana would make me reach for Prozac - like most people I guess.
But then while I'm writing this my office stereo plays BCR's Remember (Sha-la-la) and I'm enjoying that (always dug the Rollers, even when as a Status Quo/Sweet/Deep Purple guy you weren't really allowed to do so), so my music tastes have always been, well, dysfunctionally eclectic!
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I would have thought it cool. I liked it back in the day when you saw a folk singer, a metal band, some progsters and a reggae band at one festival - nowadays everything is typecast, but if I'm honest I don't really enjoy eight hours of non-stop reggae, or non-stop heavy metal or non-stop prog or non-stop folk or eight hours of anything non-stop. Eight hours of Lana would make me reach for Prozac - like most people I guess.
But then while I'm writing this my office stereo plays BCR's Remember (Sha-la-la) and I'm enjoying that (always dug the Rollers, even when as a Status Quo/Sweet/Deep Purple guy you weren't really allowed to do so), so my music tastes have always been, well, dysfunctionally eclectic!
If they performed as separate acts, that would be fine. But I wouldn't want to see a Lana/Axl duet, although I doubt if that would ever happen anyway. I agree that eight hours of Lana would also make me want to reach for something. But I'm not one of those critics that consider her music of no value. I just think a lot of it is unnecessarily dark. Listening to a song about two lesbian lovers committing suicide (Summertime Sadness) isn't very uplifting. Listening to a number of her other songs isn't very uplifting, either. Fortunately, not all the songs are depressing, though.
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I don't mind melancholy or even depressive music, just not eight hours of it. I think Lana is a one-trick-pony, but I'm ok with her.
Not a chance against my Rumer though! If you do easy listening, do it right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbsN1aI7aF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7y--Mc7kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khXz5_7M6_w
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Rumer reminds me a little of Karen Carpenter.
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I had never heard of Lana before this thread so I looked her up on youtube and so far: ehhhh :-\ What are some of her better songs (and keep in mind I LOVE moody gothy/alt stuff, lesbians too)?
As for Axl in AC/DC, the band died when Malcolm couldn't play anymore. I view them choosing Axl Rose as a sick sort of experiment that may pay off; Angus and Co have clearly been milking it with Viagra for decades already. What's Axl going to do, make the band worse? If I want to hear GOOD AC/DC, it's out there, along with a host of bands playing similar music who have the same fire and sound and no retirement packages to finance with the added bonus of live shows that still kick ass.
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Rumer reminds me a little of Karen Carpenter.
Just a little?! ;D
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Only by accident, in defense and after continued border incidents!!!
Good thing, too. Those pesky Poles can be so mean. Probably some of my dad's relatives! Kranky ass coal miners.
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New York, Chicago, Philadelphia or Milwaukee? :)
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I had never heard of Lana before this thread so I looked her up on youtube and so far: ehhhh :-\ What are some of her better songs (and keep in mind I LOVE moody gothy/alt stuff, lesbians too)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE6wxDqdOV0
I do a solo cover of this. Not too familiar with much of her other stuff, but the few other things I've heard don't do nearly as much for me.
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Just a little?! ;D
Quite a lot on "Sara Smile" but not as much on the other two. I might need to listen to more songs.
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I had never heard of Lana before this thread so I looked her up on youtube and so far: ehhhh :-\ What are some of her better songs (and keep in mind I LOVE moody gothy/alt stuff, lesbians too)?
As for Axl in AC/DC, the band died when Malcolm couldn't play anymore. I view them choosing Axl Rose as a sick sort of experiment that may pay off; Angus and Co have clearly been milking it with Viagra for decades already. What's Axl going to do, make the band worse? If I want to hear GOOD AC/DC, it's out there, along with a host of bands playing similar music who have the same fire and sound and no retirement packages to finance with the added bonus of live shows that still kick ass.
I've never sat down and listened to an entire album by her. But her videos are on Music Choice on my cable TV a lot. Here are some examples, plus some others I know about--
Shades of Cool, Freak, Born to Die, High by the Beach, Blue Jeans, etc.
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Yup anything's liable to happen at an AC/DC show these days. I heard Wing might come up and sing a couple with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqa-HYihaZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3iYamSxxI&list=RDkqa-HYihaZo&index=4
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:mrgreen: This could be playing in the background of some Quentin Tarantino film!
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Donnie Baker is unhappy about the whole situation.
Warning: NSFW language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrDXm-iTEWs
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this is hard to watch. johnson is done and doner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uauVGvTF-8
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Maybe tuning down a half step would have helped, Brian is at the end of his range on most songs and sounds flat (though his bad hearing might be an additional factor). He served well and long for AC/DC - and their huge mass appeal was built on his vocal chords, never mind the Bon Scott myth. AC/DC only became a household item (and left the rock fans gated community) with Back in Black and that was his voice. He screamed over the Young riffs in A and E for 35 years, I hope he can enjoy his health and the remainders of his hearing for a long time still.
Brian is 68, Axl is 54 - that is a difference in vocal years, especially with the type of strains their vocals took. While the Axl haters have a point with his prima donna'ness and his tendency for off-(key-)nights compared to the ever-consistent Brian, there is no denying that Axl's voice still has more agility and will be less ultimate-range-tested on that AC/DC tour than Brian's obviously was. I also have a hunch that Axl's singing voice is less removed from his talking voice than Brian's is (who had to limit his work with AC/DC to, say, the upper quarter of his natural range). Whether Axl will still be able to sing like Brian did until recently in 14 years from now is another question though. His hearing though will probably be better - he is fortunate enough to have more gigs with in-ear monitoring already under his belt, call it the grace of later birth: Axl only began walking the stage when lead singers in hard rock bands could hear themselves properly, either with late 80ies state of the art conventional monitoring or those ear plugs.
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Donnie Baker is unhappy about the whole situation.
"This is why your sposed to get 3 estimates - state law!" ;D
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I like the comparison to Ian Gillan joining Sabbath...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/scorpions-guitarist-rudolf-schenker-calls-axl-rose-acdc-pairing-strange-feels-sorry-for-brian-johnson/
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Well, AC/DC and Guns N' Roses have in common that they both dug the Scorpions and got along well with them, Johnson has performed with ze Scörps on stage, Axl has sung Scorpions songs with GnR and the latter were openers for the Scorpions at one point (my countrymen have an industry reputation of being very good, even maternal to their opening acts).
If Klaus Meine had permanent voice issues today, I'm sure the Scorpions would call it a day and not even remotely consider continuing with another singer. They didn't even do that when Klaus had his vocal chords operation in the early 80ies and they were at (almost) the height of their fame. They duly waited (and bit their lips) and recorded the Blackout milestone album with him after his return.
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Donnie Baker is unhappy about the whole situation.
Warning: NSFW language
LOL, I love this guy.
"the news which has rocked the music... rock world... of ages."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67E42LQsU24
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We all knew this was coming....................... :-*
https://youtu.be/kzt8AThSDoI
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The funniest thing about watching people freak out over this is - isn't Axl just there to finish out 10 shows of the current tour?
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Yes, and those will be highly bootlegged and collectors' items someday.
But of course AC/DC und der Führer haben etwas gemeinsam: They didn't know when it was better to stop.
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Egad, is she Yoko's aunt? Ugh! :bored: It does have comedic value, though.
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Yes, and those will be highly bootlegged and collectors' items someday.
But of course AC/DC und der Führer haben etwas gemeinsam: They didn't know when it was better to stop.
So very true Uwe :)
Honestly, I wish they would have just bowed out gracefully at the point Malcom had to leave - That would have been a respectful, proper exit. Plugging in other musicians and still calling yourselves ACDC at this late point is just crass. I've always liked them - up until now.
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Maybe Angus knows nothing else but ploughing on, hoping to escape death that way. When I saw the above recent live show I wondered: Hasn't someone in his organisation the guts to tell him how that school boy uniform thing is way past its sell-by-date? Can't he wear age-befitting clothes and still be Angus Young just by his playing and moves?
But then AC/DC's whole concept and charm is arrested development. Maybe that is what always bothered me the most about them. Compared to AC/DC, the Ramones were experimental.
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When he started with the school-boy uniform he was already too old for it. That was the whole point.
But, yes the same thought struck me too when I watched some live vids from the latest tour. Too old for that cabaret.
Just like Slash with his high top hat, Kiss with their platform shoes, Steve Harris with his shorts, Yngwie with his leather tights, etc etc :mrgreen:
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When I saw Angus Young for the first time on 6 Oct 1976 (you note how going to Rainbow concerts makes you see the world!)
(http://www.dio.net/pictures_tickets/19761006_poster.jpg)
(yup, AC/DC were the otherwise uncredited "opening act")
he was 20 or 21, looked like a spastic 16-year-old (papers in Germany actually wrote he was still a minor back then) and could still get away with that school uniform (not yet in garish red), at least perhaps in a school for the mentally challenged! ;)
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3363/3551905899_b8c78ca97b_z.jpg)
I still shake my head at how utterly unimpressed I was by them back then (not because I disliked opening acts in general, far from it) and they were even the first professional rock band I ever saw live (Rainbow only followed later - after the break for the main act - after all!), I was myself only 15 at the time, but to me AC/DC seemed incredibly raw, abrasive and unrefined even back then (they had a good sound, so it wasn't that), I also found the music quite stiff, not really rolling at all. Perhaps I missed the keyboards in their sound, back then hard rock was pretty much defined by a singer, a lead guitarist, an organ player, a bassist and a drummer for me (I guess you see from what school of listening I was coming from!). :)
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This would be a discussion of interest to me if I cared at all about AC/DC or any of the people involved.
But I don't. I'm amazed that this is a big deal.
For me - time to listen to more Blues Brothers and SRV tunes. Maybe Dick Dale for a boost.
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it amazes me that people still listen to the blues brothers. i saw them as a novelty group at best. like sha na na.
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I guess they were, but like The Rocky Horror Picture Show it developed a life of its own.
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Yup, like many blues musicians, they have a flavor of their own. And one heckuva backing band!
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And now for the live test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfrj1z7q3YI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSKJ516Pv0
Not bad for a one-legged dog, looks like the kid from Indiana did his homework (he seems to have taken the challenge serious enough), never mind the naysayers. I'm emotionally disconnected to AC/DC, but IMHO Axl is doing a better job here than Brian Johnson did on the last two tours.
And having to perform with AC/DC sitting down certainly didn't make it easier for Axl either. Typical for the miserly Aussies though, no moveable seat with own laser light show and dry ice emissions was accorded to their disabled guest singer!
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I'm pleasantly surprised. He even managed to bounce around in the chair.
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It's awkward (let's not even talk about the breathing constraints for a high octane yelp like that) to sing like that fronting a hard rock band - especially if you have an Axl Rose stage mover reputation to live up to. He did not chicken out - using his hurt leg as an excuse to pull his commitment to the Aussies would have been easy -, that commands my respect.
And I do dig Chris Slade's drumming. It's just more fluid than Phil Rudd's.
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i guess now that dick clark is dead you can assume the title of 'world's oldest teenager'. :mrgreen:
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Meaning Angus or Axl? Sitting down during concerts is surely middle age-befitting, short pants on public occasions not involving water or other sports certainly not. :mrgreen:
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It's awkward (let's not even talk about the breathing constraints for a high octane yelp like that) to sing like that fronting a hard rock band - especially if you have an Axl Rose stage mover reputation to live up to. He did not chicken out - using his hurt leg as an excuse to pull his commitment to the Aussies would have been easy -, that commands my respect.
And I do dig Chris Slade's drumming. It's just more fluid than Phil Rudd's.
Don't let yourself be fooled; he needs the money.
As for the drumming; there's barely any difference, and this is not a knock on the drummers so much as a comment on the fact that ACDC has a minimalist schtick when it comes to the rythmn section - they're not allowed to have any real fun. Neither Chris nor Phil are any aspiring drummer's hero for their work with them.
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He needs the money with a GnR reunion in his back? I doubt it. It was probably more a mix of vanity/hubris and childhood dream come true.
You're the drummer, Jake, but to me they differ quite a bit, Rudd is behind the beat, Slade slightly ahead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV1Lb7ErWPI
And anybody reading my anti-Bonham sermons knows what I think of drummers behind the beat! :mrgreen:
Let's not even talk about the cymbal work here ... and Rudd sounds like he has issues keeping up with the tempo, but that is of course his style and there are people who appreciate this behind-the-beat thing, I know, but it drives me nuts as a bassist, Bonham and me would have never gotten along groove-wise ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzz1vx25Qjw
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When I heard the news about Axl jumping in I thought it was a bad joke. But he did a great job, especially with those old Bon Scott tracks. Now it seems funny how many people were almost certain about or even wishing for a total failure.
I never understood that Slade/Rudd feud either. Both are good and of course the Williams/Rudd axis of old was a great combo back then. I also don't buy the "not allowed to have any real fun" thing. To play straight eights with a good drummer and a brilliant rhythm guitarist is very fun, especially if you can make it work.
I'm also a bit like Uwe. I used to play alongside my The Police albums, that's how a got my pick playing in shape and that's why I usually play ahead of the beat. Bonham wouldn't have driven me mad 'though.
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My feelings exactly, I would love to play alongside of Stewart Copeland! He is a drummer like Ginger Baker or Simon Phillips, they not so much provide a backbeat for you as a bassist, but have a lively discussion with you. I love that. Talking drums.
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Glad I didn't pay good money to see Axl bounce around in a chair.
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Slightly low pc comment here of "The Saw" about physically challenged people - tsk, tsk, tsk ... With Axle, certain mental impediments add to (or subtract from) the equation. 8)
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well, that was weird watching a frontman sitting down. :o they should have hung him from wires like a marionette, at least he could twitch a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQUKE-SLuI
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He needs the money with a GnR reunion in his back? I doubt it. It was probably more a mix of vanity/hubris and childhood dream come true.
I'm sure there's a bit of that, but touring is high-overhead and low margin. The GnR tour is run outa his bank; he may not make all that much back.. With ACDC he's a hired gun and possibly gets a straight up wage, but it could be points (not much better aside from the fact that he doesn't have to front the tour costs).
As for the drummers - in those clips there is very little difference other than tone. Slade's is tighter, Rudd's looser and slower on attack; might sound a bit behind because of that but isn't really (unless one is really fixated on exact precision, and I suppose I am speaking to a German here, but I wouldn't be able to tell without actually playing along; I have been known to be intentionally loose with the time myself when the song struck me as asking for it). Not like Bonham at all, who doesn't just misfire on 1 and 3, but intentionally carves out space between beats. What cymbal work? Hardly any in there (hat excepted - both playing 8ths vs more usual 16ths - diff is Rudd is a bit more open and Slade clamped down on the treadle more - again, affects the attack of the cymbal and might give the illusion of being a bit behind).
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Dear drummer,
if my bass ears are not totally wrecked, then on Let there be Rock,
- Herr Slade plays eight (or sixteen, depending on how you count the song) notes on the ride,
- Herr Rudd, however, quarter (or eight, ditto) notes on the hi-hat.
It makes a huge difference to me, Slade just sounds smoother and I'm all for smooth, elegant drumming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwjorkjRG6Q
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Dear drummer,
if my bass ears are not totally wrecked, then on Let there be Rock,
- Herr Slade plays eight (or sixteen, depending on how you count the song) notes on the ride,
- Herr Rudd, however, quarter (or eight, ditto) notes on the hi-hat.
Rudd is decieving you. He strikes harder on 3 on the hi-hat which makes it both look and sound like he plays quarter.
In the latest issue of Classic Rock Mark Evans tells the story on Rudd recording that very track. They pretty much played it live.
After the first take Evans thought it would be: "The end of Phil Rudd for a couple of hours. But Phil said:' Let's go again now'. I thought he was gonna fu**ing explode! They used the second take".
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The drums on let there be rock is amazing.. The hat work, groove, it´s just so lively. I never could understand why anybody can prefer Slade to Rudd, all he does is to play the songs to fast and to stiff.
Chris Slade is the three point bridge of drummers; maybe it does more ´tricks´but it loses all the charm and beauty of the original :) :)
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The drums on let there be rock is amazing.. The hat work, groove, it´s just so lively. I never could understand why anybody can prefer Slade to Rudd, all he does is to play the songs to fast and to stiff.
Chris Slade is the three point bridge of drummers; maybe it does more ´tricks´but it loses all the charm and beauty of the original :) :)
+1!
And about Axl. He did sing all the words in all the right places. So yeah, he pulled that off.
But that doesn't make it a good performance. I still hate his singing (strangled cat on helium).
Don't care too much for Brian Johnson's singing either. But at least he's a sympathetic guy. ;)
And the way Angus & Co threw him off the wagon is not.
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- Herr Slade plays eight (or sixteen, depending on how you count the song) notes on the ride,
Its not a ride but a right-hand mounted hat. You can see the clutch sticking up from the top in the thumbnail of the loop comparison vid you posted. Also it doesn't even sound like a ride; sounds like a closed hat (Rudd's openish hat sounds more like a ride than Slade's). It confused me at first, but then I saw the clutch. You can see it in the few shots of him in the other vid too. I can't tell if he also has a more traditionally positioned left-side hat as well, or not. I have seen drummers do this before; if just the one hat it's usually older gentlemen because it saves you the crossover and possibly some pain. It's now (last 10 years or so) more easily achievable due to 'remote hihat' mounts - yes, there are drummers out there rocking 2 pairs of hats.
(http://www.tavolarotonda.org/joomla/images/morfeoshow/festa_di_fin-3117/big/GIA_4248.jpg)
(http://www.ezimusic.com/Drums%20Accessories/Hi-Hat-Remote-Enlarge.jpg)
It makes a huge difference to me, Slade just sounds smoother and I'm all for smooth, elegant drumming.
Yes, he is much more rigid and stiff, both in playing style and tone (tight and focussedvs Rudd's looser tone with slower attack as I mentionned before) which some people prefer, certain trains-must-be-on-time-jawol types included. Personally, I only like that sort of stiffness on more interesting beat patterns (lets be honest; there ain't no drummer who can't play this song well - it's a mmatter of whether a given individual likes their take on it or not - if you can't, quit or stop calling yourself a drummer until you've practised up; this is the basics; what you drum along to as a teenager to learn the ropes); like mathrock (see the drummer from Helmet/Battles; rigidly on time, but still funky, unlike Slade). I am kinda leaning that way myself in a current drone-pop project; nothing recorded yet tho.
As for Axl, I think, all things considered, he did a bang up job. Better than I expected. Yeah, it's weird to see ACDC just move on so non-nonchalantly, but it's not as if they haven't done that before, multiple times.
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"certain trains-must-be-on-time-jawohl-types included"
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I love you for that comment, Jake, you darn insolent Canolack! That said, I'm habitually late (but reliable in the long term).
"It's not a ride but a right-hand mounted hat."
Learned something today, danke!
"And the way Angus & Co threw him off the wagon is not."
AC/DC is a merci- and ruthless operation. Makes Peter Grant seem like the Dalai Lama.
"mathrock"
What a wonderful (and apt) term!
"Rudd is decieving you. He strikes harder on 3 on the hi-hat which makes it both look and sound like he plays quarters."
Ok, that might be, I stand corrected.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Captain Pike on vocals! :mrgreen:
I suppose that if Axl is prepared and able to do the shows, this is the best solution to the immediate problem of finishing the tour. Moving forward, as they say, I would rather see them pack it in than pick up a Johnson sound-alike, or heaven forbid, keep Axl in the lineup.
In short, :puke:.
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(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/InsolenceIsMyMiddleName.jpg)
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Well if you believe this Loudwire list AXL is their best frontman yet
http://loudwire.com/top-hard-rock-metal-frontmen-of-all-time/#photogallery-1=44
Bon = 12th
Brian = 10th
AXL = 8th
Then again there are enough issues with that list that I pretty much consider it hogwash.
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It's already been worthwhile for Axl, he can walk (or at least stand) again, AC/DC currents have magic healing powers (except for Brian Johnsons eardrums that is).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyR4N444ruk
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It's already been worthwhile for Axl, he can walk (or at least stand) again, AC/DC currents have magic healing powers (except for Brian Johnsons eardrums that is).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyR4N444ruk
when did Angus turn into Paul Daniels?
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I think Axl sounds better when he's sitting down... :popcorn:
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Good lord, is that Angus' great-grandfather?
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Angus does look pretty haggard, but I will give him this: to me he is definitely in that exclusive club, who I respect whether or not I appreciate the music they currently make, of old dudes who can still rock out with more energy than I see from most entertainers in their prime (as much as they ever showed in their primes). Him, Iggy and Rollins for sure, a few more that escape me at the moment.
Rob is unkind; Axl is exceeding expectations easily. He ain't no Brian, and he ain't no Bon, but that can't hardly be expected can it.
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I'm not questioning his talent, and I'd bet he has way more stamina than I do. He just looks awful. Time for a cosmetic upgrade.
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I know, just counterbalancin. Yeah, he's in that other club now along with The Stones and Steve Tyler too.
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Good lord, is that Angus' great-grandfather?
It's not Angus Young, it's Angus Old - or at the very least, Angus Cigarettes-Caffeine-And-Touring-Will-Make-You-Look-Like-You-Hit-The-Wall.
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And another one bites the dust...
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ac-dcs-cliff-williams-im-backing-off-touring-and-recording-20160707
..and the original article. An odd way to announce your retirement.
http://www.gulfshorelife.com/July-2016/Still-Rockin-in-Southwest-Florida-ACDC-Cliff-Williams-Brian-Howe-Steve-Luongo/
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Well, he already wanted to retire from music back in the 70ies when three albums with Home,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cba7cdJe9Z4
(THAT BOWED BASS SOLO IS HIM!!!)
a stint as Al Stewart's backing live band and the short-lived Bandit had gotten him nowhere. Then the call from AC/DC came to the man who had never really played hard or heavy rock before ...
Cliff Williams is a man who makes good on his promises ... eventually!
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Twins separated at birth?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/14203192_10209885344637940_4694623079105782069_n.jpg?oh=0dbb933046c319e115ab49f1736988c8&oe=583C1576&__gda__=1482060067_54a7a4914eace9e75028751e0ec104de)
:rimshot:
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That's pretty good ;D
Now if only they could open the show with Angus playing the theme from Benny Hill and have Axl chase some girls wearing circa 1977 bikini's around the stage. 8)
Was offered tickets (not great ones but free nonetheless) to Thursday's show in Atlanta. It'll be interesting to see the spectacle first hand.
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I miss Benny Hill!
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Benny Hill? No way .....
(https://cbsradionews.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/axl-rose-getty.jpg)(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/cybill_shepherd_2013_05_05.jpg)
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I wonder if Cybill and Axl have the same plastic surgeon?
& In honor of Benny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFpgDUybPg
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Credit where credit is due, that's Boots Randolph's Yakety Sax. The hit version was released in 1963, although he had recorded an earlier version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcq_xLi2NGo
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Benny Hill? No way .....
(https://cbsradionews.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/axl-rose-getty.jpg)(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/cybill_shepherd_2013_05_05.jpg)
Nope...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/KTurner_zpsqqeypka9.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lowend1/media/KTurner_zpsqqeypka9.jpg.html)
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I'm awaiting Axl's inevitable appearance here (http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/).
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Hmmm... no Kevin Cronin?
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/kevin%20cronin_zpsgzhgh4en.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lowend1/media/kevin%20cronin_zpsgzhgh4en.jpg.html)
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Kevin is obviously a fashionista - that Boris Trump look is all the rage right now I hear. Wannabe-Rutger Hauers.
(http://www.rutgerhauer.org/plots/images/br01.jpg)
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That's the first pic I've seen of Axl ever where he looks like a friendly average dude at ease with himself. It must be heavily photoshopped.
(https://cbsradionews.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/axl-rose-getty.jpg)
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Kevin is obviously a fashionista - that Boris Trump look is all the rage right now I hear.
He's been cultivating his Ellen Degeneres look for years now.
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That's the first pic I've seen of Axl ever where he looks like a friendly average dude at ease with himself. It must be heavily photoshopped.
(https://cbsradionews.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/axl-rose-getty.jpg)
He's slowly turning into Carrot top.
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Kevin could be a commentator on MSNBC.
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He looked worse with his early 80ies perm actually, that was poodle rock in perfection.
Of all the 1st league AOR monsters of the time - Journey, Foreigner, Styx & REO -, REO were the ones I had the most issues with though they weren't bad musicians at all, but Cronin's vocals were/are an acquired taste. The band's groove was noteworthy though and the guitarist had a nice American flow.
They're also the band "guilty" of turning Blackmore pop. A lengthy 78/79 tour as an opener for REO amply proved that the Rainbow Dio era-line up's appeal to teenage girls of North America was of somewhat limited nature. Blackmore returned from that tour a wiser man and Rainbow went from this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGzNGMUXR4
to this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWPqRtozh0
and doubled their record sales in the process.
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REO epitomized, in the mid-late '70s, midwestern American rock, which suited Cronin's voice better than the AOR stuff, IMHO. The live album "You Get What You Play For" is required listening for admission to the heartland.
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Benny Hill? No way .....
(https://cbsradionews.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/axl-rose-getty.jpg)(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/cybill_shepherd_2013_05_05.jpg)
Gah! My eyes! Make it stop!
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+1 on Billy's comment... a nice image of Gregg Philbin with a T'Bird on the cover too... somewhat frustrated not to be able to trace any video images of him with it though...
Michael Stanley Band's Stage Pass live release was in there too... Jonah Koslen era...
Quite liked that "Heatland" material...
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Some of these comparisons are way far afield. Next you'll be comparing him to Margaret Thatcher.
At least he's not Steven Tyler, who looks like somebody's great-grandmother.
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The Benny Hill likeness is quite strong though... :mrgreen:
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Yes, it is. Now when I watch the famous Wishing Well (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bg4m_benny-hill-wishing-well_fun?GK_FACEBOOK_OG_HTML5=1) clip, I'll think of Axl. :)
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REO epitomized, in the mid-late '70s, midwestern American rock, which suited Cronin's voice better than the AOR stuff, IMHO. The live album "You Get What You Play For" is required listening for admission to the heartland.
That was an excellent live album no doubt.
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At least he's not Steven Tyler, who looks like somebody's great-grandmother.
Dude really does look like a lady
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At least Axl did away with the box braids. He looked like a middle aged mom that thought it would be a good idea to get a matching hairdo with her 12 year old daughter while vacationing in Jamaica.
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+1 on Billy's comment... a nice image of Gregg Philbin with a T'Bird on the cover too... somewhat frustrated not to be able to trace any video images of him with it though...
Well look at that! I only remembered the Alembic on the front cover. Great, classic live boogie rock album.
(http://www.audiopreservationfund.org/graphics/acquisitions/COL_00019/Back%20Covers/Big/COL_00019_01591.jpg)
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More good news for Axl (http://www.metalsucks.net/2016/09/08/guns-n-roses-now-twelfth-largest-economy-world/)
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Damn... life's hard at times... such a shame to get stung like that... maybe he could take the Hotblack Desiato route to avoid the tax implications...
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I'm sure Herr McKagan has some investment schemes for his band/business mates that aren't too duff!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-09-29/duff-mckagan-guns-n-capital
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Gah! My eyes! Make it stop!
Haaaaaaaaa ha ha ha, I cannot stop laughing! Thank you!
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At least Axl did away with the box braids. He looked like a middle aged mom that thought it would be a good idea to get a matching hairdo with her 12 year old daughter while vacationing in Jamaica.
That is a solid burn. Very apt.
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Ran into someone yesterday who's seen them (Glasgow, iirc) with Axl and said it was a great show, covering a lot of old Bon Scott material which "BJ couldn't reach the high notes"...
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You might not like Axl's voice or him as a person, but he (still) has an impressive range if high-octane shrieking is your thing. And with the Young family business, you're not allowed to do anything else as the singer.
Axl sings notes here that Brian hasn't been able to sing in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu_sPmnRw10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPviiWINkQ
I can take Axl in measured doses only but he does what he does well. All those high school years of religiously singing along with Dan McCafferty to Nazareth tracks sure left their mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKrJl8PaVs
Plus some Janis Joplin (even her moves!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWdiG1Bf0c
Axl was an industrious student - that pays in later life as his current job shows.
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Axl is a talented guy for sure, and if he sticks with the AC/DC gig for a term and records it will be an interesting chapter in their history. As long as he keeps his Lead Singers Disease in check...
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You might not like Axl's voice or him as a person, but he (still) has an impressive range if high-octane shrieking is your thing. And with the Young family business, you're not allowed to do anything else as the singer.
Axl sings notes here that Brian hasn't been able to sing in a long time.
I heard Angus threatened to send him packing if he didn't toe the line. Word is, there is a replacement at the ready...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqa-HYihaZo&ab_channel=humanseverywhere
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Absolutely PERFECT ;D ;D ;D
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Wing is carrying on the tradition started in the 60s by Mrs. Miller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlI2gxvF-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKCQK0apKc