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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Saf on September 04, 2009, 03:40:21 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-20-20-4-String-Bass-Guitar-with-Soft-Bag-UNIQUE_W0QQitemZ280393112576QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item4148bb5c00&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
WTF is this? I don't like it very much but what a wierd looker
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Gute Güte! A red one. First one I've ever seen (outside of that initial ad), all the others (like mine) came out in a bronzish silver.
Steinberger, an excellent inventor/designer, but not as astute a businessman, was in financial dire straits when Gibson bought his company in 1987. To commemorate the transaction, he was to build a bass for Gibson in his trademark look.
It's a maple bass (body might be heavy ash, I can never make up my mind about that) with a vintage baseball-fat neck, belying its eighties looks, but giving the bass considerable beef. Among paddle bass enthusiasts (yes, they exist) it is also rated as the best-balanced and gut-sitting paddle in the world - that elongated upper cutaway giving it that machine gun look is there for an ergonomic reason: You don't have to dislocate your shoulder socket to reach the low F.
The electronics sound similar to what you find in an RD Artist (including the few seconds "warming up" period where the sound swells to full force). It was a state of the art "We built this city" bass sound then, all highs and lows with little in between. Level 42ish, but powerful.
The bass featured some new things for the time like a height adjustable nut (similar to what Warwicks have) and counter-clockwise tuners, the tuners are not E A D G in a trad way, but A E D G (the E being the farthest out upper tuner). A reg 2 + 2 is (viewed from the front):
E A
G D
The 20/20 however is ... different ...
A E
D G
Ned thought that made more sense. :mrgreen: I told you he was a better designer than a businessman! But he used Sperzel tuners (and a Schaller roller bridge).
A few hundred were built. At the time Gibson had a dearth for a new bass model (the Victory had turned into a loser, the Explorer bass was a hasty and loveless affair) and they tried different things such as the IV/V, the Q-80/90 and the 20/20. All of them flopped, but in a way they were a first step to resurrecting the bass division for the late eighties/early nineties with the reissue of the TBird and the launching of the long scale LPs and affiliated models (EB-650/750).
Actually, I made all this up ... The truth is: The little guy sitting on top of the black RD brought the 20/20 from his galaxy to me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_0017.jpg)
We communicate in a shrieking binary code ... and he gives me instructions in my mind all the time ...
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3323697747_82db122a26.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEHLBXWBvOTdVpst4WThP34PEIiVA)
and one day he will order me - I AM CHOSEN BY HIM!!! - to take out my 20/20 anti-matter laser stun gun and show you all, earthlings!
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;D ;D ;D
That's as good an explanation as any.
You'll need to have this, of course. It may be the only one in that odd red finish aside from the one in an old ad.
This one probably won't fetch much. The color doesn't help. If it were mine, first thing I'd do is refin.
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I do like the red, but then I'm also a man with convictions. And it's about time someone other than me in this forum bought one, I feel isolated.
Whenever I take mine to a rehearsal it first draws smiles ("we didn't think you'd play something like that") and then - after being heard - compliments. Could see it do good work in a progish outfit where you want a bass to sound like this, ric-htig gut:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzM25XkNgo
Did you like the music, Dave? :mrgreen:
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Made it to the 30 second mark. ;D
Sorry, I spent my stimulus check on the Melody Maker. No more new basses (or guitars) for awhile.
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Oh, you didn't like the stereo mix drum roll then! :rimshot:
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Oh, you didn't like the stereo mix drum roll then! :rimshot:
It was the creepy dungeon organ music.
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Creepy? I always thought that Starcastle sounded like the Doobie Brothers raped by Yes. Their Yes influences were overt to slavish, but they played everything so utterly smooth and American in feel plus those lavish CSN&Y harmonies, thick as maple syrup, over the whole thing. And I don't mean that as a criticism, I find Yes comparatively grating after a while, but Starcastle puts me in a good mood. Good bass player too.
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Yes, Alien Master, you have called me?
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Creepy? I always thought that Starcastle sounded like the Doobie Brothers raped by Yes. Their Yes influences were overt to slavish, but they played everything so utterly smooth and American in feel plus those lavish CSN&Y harmonies, thick as maple syrup, over the whole thing. And I don't mean that as a criticism, I find Yes comparatively grating after a while, but Starcastle puts me in a good mood. Good bass player too.
I never got as far as the CSN&Y harmonies, that would have put me over the edge. As it is, I'm now cleansing my brain of those 30 seconds. Listening to some old time honky tonk right now, to be followed by some punk rock.
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http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_to_Text.asp
;D
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http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_to_Text.asp
;D
That's the page I used to translate it into binary! ;D
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Whomever buys that bass needs to get down with their bad new waver self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4MIT5R_Tdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpMDE7nSJjU
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bply_devobeautiful-world_music
(chromium secretly resisting urge to indulge guilty pleasures and sneak in a snipe bid)
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That's the page I used to translate it into binary! ;D
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0100111001101111011101110010000001001001001000000110011101100101011101000010000001
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:mrgreen:
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It's all geek to me... ;)
Uwe... steer clear of those "fresh" mushrooms you've been having with your breakfast... :puke:
Now all I need to do is win the lottery... spare cash, I'd go for her, definitely... Real world...? I'll watch her go by... :sad:
Had the summer off, so busy writing again; a bit distracted...
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I think a liberal coating of CHROME PLATING will protect me from you and your "alien emissions" ;)
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oooh, I think I might bid on this... mind you, my band will sack me in seconds if I ever play it.
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oooh, I think I might bid on this... mind you, my band will sack me in seconds if I ever play it.
LMAO ! Whenever I see the name 20/20 all I can think of is Barbra Walters :rolleyes: That has to be the buttugliest bass I have ever seen, Jules I hope you get it cheap.
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Geez...Starcastle. Ex-REO front man Terry Luttrell's attempt at prog. I saw them in the clubs a few times. Boring and brittle. The bass sounded like Squire, or Billy Gould with absolutely no low end.
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LMAO ! Whenever I see the name 20/20 all I can think of is Barbra Walters :rolleyes: That has to be the buttugliest bass I have ever seen, Jules I hope you get it cheap.
If you wewe a twee, what kind of twee would you be? ;)
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Interesting,I wasn't aware of the REO connection, but when I heard Fountains of Light and Citadel last week in the car back to back, I thought a couple of times, darn, those vocal melodies sound REOish. Thanks for clearing that up! And re the bass: On record at least, it was down to what vinyl could transport at the time. The CD remasters have a bass sound that is all treble and sublos with nothing in between. Sits well in the music, but the vinyl mixes sounded lightweight in contrast. I think the sound is Chris Squire sanitized, i.e. without the grit, dirt and general fret noise in his sound.
Jules, fingers crossed for the 20/20, but you do know that you then have to feature it on your site! I vill zen glöät like Hölle!.
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Good luck, Jules.
Already up to $405, that's more than I'd pay.
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Jules, fingers crossed for the 20/20, but you do know that you then have to feature it on your site! I vill zen glöät like Hölle!.
Well, I always promised you i'd feature it one day. Let's face it, that is the main reason to buy it. Being mocked online I can take. People laughing at me on stage would be just a little too much.
I'm the current high bidder, and yes it is already more than I wanted to pay.
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$480. It's official, that's what a 20/20 is worth. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If I were in buying mode I'd pay $480 for a 20/20. I'd never play it out, but I'd own one just to see how it sounds... :mrgreen:
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If I were in buying mode I'd pay $480 for a 20/20. I'd never play it out, but I'd own one just to see how it sounds... :mrgreen:
Yeah George, same here. My top bid was $550, so i'm quite happy with that price. I wouldn't have gone so high for a silver one though.
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Amidst the woomers wunning wampant, Jules welishes in his vwictory - another ware, welic bass joins the collection!
I'm Baba Wawa, and this is 20/20
(Congrats, Jules! :))
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I hope you'll be pleased with it, Jules.
I know Uwe will. He won't feel so alone. ;D
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You know what? Jules is gonna play that thing live I bet. And it won't be out of place with his Brit funk outfit either, the eighties are so long past now, they are cool again. And on albums such as Franz Ferdinand's latest one, the 80ies influence is loud and proud. I only recently bought Nile Rodgers' solo album from 1983 - Land of the Good Groove - and really dig it. Once Jules has that bass in his hands, he will agree: There is nothing cheesy or cheap about it, it's a well thought out and designed bass with a substantial feel (and a manly neck), not a toy or a novelty gimmick. Trust me.
You of all people, Jules! I'm moved. May I exclaim "Splendid!"? This is akin to the UK adopting the Euro or right lane driving - doing something sensible for once.
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Thanks for the congrats Dave, Joe... I do feel very honoured to be in Uwes special club.
So Uwe, are you going to write the text for my 20/20 page for me? If you do a good job we might be able to create enough buzz online for Gibson to reissue another 400. What do you say?
And it won't be out of place with his Brit funk outfit either
yeah.... my current band is a 50s/60s yardbirds thing... (see my sig)
They roll their eyes when I take a ripper/rd to rehearsals... :o
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Oh, you're in a Tory band then!!!
You'll fall in love with the 20/20, I'm sure. Since you like the RD Artist, the 20/20 isn't that far off in sound at all.
An offer to write for the most honorable of Gibson sites? I'm flattered!!! I'd even try to contact Ned Steinberger for that.
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Seriously Uwe, i've spent no time at all researching the 20/20 and i'd be delighted for you to help.
I did try and get a Jim Lea interview sorted out (with you in mind for doing it) but no joy. If you can get Ned Steinberger to add anything that would be brilliant.
Tory? I don't get it? ???
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Tory = because your band mates are so conservative about bass designs
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If you're doing the Yardbirds, you at least need something that existed at the time.
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True, I wasn't aware that Jules wasn't doing his chilled out Brit funk anymore. For a Yardbirds sound, the look of the 20/20 is the least issue though, it will just sound too "there" and hi-fi. I guess Jules will have to start his Rush tribute band after all ...
I'll try to get a hold of Ned Steinberger's email and write him (with you copied in, Jules). If Phillip Kubicki and Wayne Richard Charvel have replied after being thus approached, why shouldn't he.
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Gibson to reissue the 20/20...?
10/10 till they do it again... ;)
Congrats Jules... now, if your anywhere near Surrey, maybe I could beg a visit to try her sometime... ;D
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If you're doing the Yardbirds, you at least need something that existed at the time.
Yeah, well, I actually share my birthday with Paul Samwell Smith. I usually play an EB2, EB3 or one of my Newports, but i'm looking for another old hollowbody. Maybe a Gretsch or Guild.
I'll try to get a hold of Ned Steinberger's email
Thanks Uwe, that would be great - just hope he doesn't scour the forum and find all the 20/20 jokes...
if your anywhere near Surrey
I'm in Milton Keynes, but you are welcome to drive up if you want
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I've written Herr Steinberger an email, let's see. Regarding 20/20 jokes: This man will detect jealousy when he sees it!
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I've written Herr Steinberger an email, let's see. Regarding 20/20 jokes: This man will detect jealousy when he sees it!
Wait...what? Aren't you the source of most of the 20/20 jokes?
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When you're in the locker room, do as the locker room boys do. Self deprecating humor is the only thing that works here, have you forgotten the amount of derision poured over me in my selfless quest for the reappreciation of the SB series?!!!
You're just like Edith. She always tells me too that all I ever did at school was make ironic/sarcastic remarks with her rather than do that Tarzan/Jane thing!
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That was different. The SB series was Norlin saying "let's see, we'll improve the EB series by making a cheap pale imitation of it." :P
The 20/20 was intended as a serious bass in its time, even though Gibson was late to the party.
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Doubtful. More like: "Let's beat the Japs at their own game." With - admittedly - uncertain success.
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Doubtful. More like: "Let's beat the Japs at their own game." With - admittedly - uncertain success.
"admittedly uncertain success" - I'll have to remember that one.
As in, "the Edsel was an admittedly uncertain success for Ford."
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Jules... got stuck at a "Shhh... Secret Squirrel" site in Towcester twice last week... you're only about 75 miles or so and a darn site closer than "Gibson Central", a little further east than the pair of us... I may take up your offer some time... Ta...
One of the yardbirds used to live next door to me (prior to when we moved in in '92) ... useless info... oh so typical of me...
You'll have to let us now your opinion when you get her...
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It's back ....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ned-Steinberger-Gibson-20-20-Prototype-Bass-Guitar_W0QQitemZ260475821418QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item3ca5919d6a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Is that still the same seller? :mrgreen: Pesistent little bugger.
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That price + carriage... :o
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Is that still the same seller? :mrgreen: Pesistent little bugger.
It is the same seller, because the location is the same (Wamberal). I suspect this is the usual seller's (dazzawazza) wife's account.
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$480.00 is a good price for such an oddball. I paid almost double that for mine & it's silver. About ten years ago I could have had one for about $350.00, with hardshell case. I waited too long & a road manager for the group Beck bought it. On his websight, he still lists it as one of his basses. Any idea how many were produced?
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Wait... what? We now have three 20/20 owners here! :o
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That's how I found this sight in the first place, Googling Gibson 20/20........... It took me a year to convince myself to buy it! ??? It makes some of my other stuff look normal......
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Today zis site, tomorrow ze wörld! Ze V 20/20 vill haff its day ...
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with hardshell case
ooh, ooh, ooh, please post a pic. Mine comes in a (obviously specially made) gig bag.
What's yours in Uwe?
yeah I was happy with $480. Still hasn't got here yet, but can't be too far away. Any string recommendations. My usual flatwounds might be a bit too old-school for such a bass.
Any news from Ned Steinberger Uwe?
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Congrats Jules! Cool lil buggah 8)
I've got a Steiny Spirit. It's headless so it's even more 80s.
...but it ain't a Gibby.
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No news from Ned so far.
Mine has the (neck-heavy) condom gig bag too.
Re strings: Yes, that bass wasn't made with flatwounds in mind, but who says flatwounds don't sound with an active bass? Actually it's quite a good combo, because you get presence snap and bass ooomph, but the sound is not as hysterically "there" as with rounds. I currently have Elixier micro-coated rounds on mine which aren't the world's most aggressive strings, but even they still have plenty zing. Look for strings that have an emphasis on mids perhaps as that part of the frequency spectrum is underfed with the 20/20.
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Look for strings that have an emphasis on mids perhaps as that part of the frequency spectrum is underfed with the 20/20.
Or install a pair of epi tbird pups. All the mids you want! ;D
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Mine came with a gig bag also.
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(http://tropicalmoonmusic.eaph5.com/share/doubleneckbassandman/db1.JPG)
Lots of wierdness going on out there...
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I find a combination of fretlless bass and fretted one appealing and sensible in principle. My dream custom shop build would be a double neck SG bass with a long scale fretless neck and a short scale fretted neck with octaved D and G strings (short scale D and G strings would retain some flexibility even if paired with a tension-raising octave string). I would then feel sufficiently equipped for most situations a bassist can encounter!
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Wot...! and make all those other beauties redundant...? :o
sounds nice... sort of suprised that you haven't got a double gibson already... I have a BJH pic of that style, but bass/guitar, if you want to see what I mean...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUkModihMw&feature=related
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Jules...........Did you ever get the red 20/20 in one piece? Are you digging it? I bought mine to pair off with a 1985 Gibson Futura, a neck through the body guitar similar to the Corvus. Both the 20/20 & the Futura/Corvus should have been headless guitars, Gibson marketing people got involved & the outcome was two of the most confusing models Gibson produced. The Corvus at least made it on Guitar Hero, maybe the 20/20 is next..........................
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Uwe... missed your reply - that's the one...
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You saw him a lot with that in the seventies. For some reason, BJH were huge in Germany from the midseventies onwards to the early eighties. They had radio hits, huge sales, sold out mega-concerts, all in a country where The Moody Blues couldn't get arrested. The "hairy one" of BJH was a common sight with his double-neck during that time.
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Still surprised that you haven't got one, or are they "rocking-horse-droppings"; the other option is that you consider them "hybrids" ie beyond your remit...
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If Uwe got a doubleneck it would have to be a short scale bass/long scale bass (a la Rinus Gerritsen) or a fretted/fretless.
He would panic if one neck was a guitar.
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Jules...........Did you ever get the red 20/20 in one piece?
Yeah, just yesterday in fact. Post seems pretty slow just now...
The strings are pretty grimey and the battery is dead.. i'll give it a clean up and then get some photos
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I'm just a crap guitarist, especially lead guitarist, that's all. I can do alright on a 12 string though, so a bass/12 string guitar could be an option. But I've never seen an SG doubleneck that was not either a bass/six string guitar or a six-string guitar/12 string guitar combo. I don't think that - unlike Ric -they had a bass/12 string combo in their repertoire at all, not even the BJH guy, Les Holroyd, played one and it would have been perfect for his uses as he only played chords on his doubleneck guitar.
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I never heard of Barclay James Harvest before this thread.
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What was Gibson thinking putting the bass on top of the EBS-1250 & EBSF 1250? >:( >:( ???
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But I've never seen an SG doubleneck that was not either a bass/six string guitar or a six-string guitar/12 string guitar combo. I don't think that - unlike Ric -they had a bass/12 string combo in their repertoire at all, not even the BJH guy, Les Holroyd, played one and it would have been perfect for his uses as he only played chords on his doubleneck guitar.
Uwe, one thing this forum has shown us is that just because Gibson never made it, that doesn't mean you can't get it made... I don't know if your luthier does builds, but I'll bet you could find someone who could build you a perfect clone (of a bass that never existed).
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... But it just would not be a Gibson, George...
It's like Shadowcastz' Moderne... she looks like she should exist, we all know she exists, but she was born somewhere other than the hallowed halls...
Anyway, Uwe, you could always have the guitar neck removed and... no... still not original concept...
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Gibson's custom shop would make it, Uwe understandably wouldn't want to pay their price for something he'd rarely play.
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Made it to the 30 second mark. ;D
Sorry, I spent my stimulus check on the Melody Maker. No more new basses (or guitars) for awhile.
I actually have that StarCastle album on vinyl and rarely get past the 30 sec mark myself.
And BJH album I think, unless I already gave it away... :bored:
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I love the SG Doubleneck in Tony Bacon's Ultimate Guitar book: 6-string guitar and 4-string bass... ..With Fuzz!
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Actually, I doubt the custom shop would make it (for me), even if I asked and paid a king's ransom for it. They'd only do that if I was a celebrity. They might do it for Chris!
But it's on my mind and my luthier could indeed glue an SG RI and and an SG Z together. A fretless longscale and a short scale fretted eight string would even see regular action with me, it would be extremely fun and creative to play.
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Mein G*tt... what have I started... ;D
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Ja, only zen vill ze much too hastily aborted Operation Seelöwe finally find its rightful konklüsiön ... It's only a tiny step from SG-Z to Heinkel 111 Z ...
(http://www.kheichhorn.de/assets/images/DualHeinkel111.jpg)
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I'll let my management ask Gibson.
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Just picked myself off the floor, cleaned up the mess and finally composed myself sufficiently to reply...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ruxh_f8nTss/SKzbUi9GEwI/AAAAAAAAAMk/qF8FW055hwc/s400/Nurse+Ratched.jpg)
If Mr. Hornung doesn't want to take his medication orally, I'm sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way...
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Not quite what you were "looking for", Uwe, but it is a double neck, one being fretless and the other being 5 string...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Double-Neck-4-5-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-Fretless_W0QQitemZ220490644261QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3356443b25 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Double-Neck-4-5-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-Fretless_W0QQitemZ220490644261QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3356443b25)
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Please, let's leave the non-Gibsons out of it.
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Tongue firmly planted in cheek, Guvnor... ;)
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Jules...........Nice spread of your 20/20 on your web sight!! Looks like it cleaned up nice!! Is there any record of how many of these were produced in both colors? Walter Carter seems to know some of these totals after 1979. If he's still at Gruhn's Guitars, I'll try to email him. :-\
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A nice start. Uwe will be pleased that Jules finally has a 20/20 page, even if it's not complete.
http://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/20-20.php
Message from Uwe:
Yes, it's a bit like seeing the Reichsadler flying over London. Very gratifying. Justice done at last. I have offered Jules a prominent role in ze öccüpätiön gövernment ...
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://ordinarybloke.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/nazis-london.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFB4AlU3hTwbQH1PuxUIsibE3kfOg)
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Now you need a Corvus to complete the unholy alliance. ;D
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There's a Swedish band, Teddybears Sthlm who seem to be endorsed by Gibson. The recent catalog from Luthman (Scandinavian Gibson Importer) show pics of their bassplayer with a rectangular SG Reissue. I've also seen him with a regular SG Reissue and RD Artist. Their guitarplayer uses basses for some songs. He borrowed one of mine when we opened for them once. He has a rectangular double neck Gibson. The bass being an SG Reissue and guitar probably an SG neck. Only pics I could find right now were these:
(http://devilsmusic.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Teddybears_Jonas_Beck_6-640x958.jpg)
(http://devilsmusic.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Teddybears_Jonas_Beck_5-640x968.jpg)
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Uh oh. I can almost hear the wheels turning in Frankfurt.
Will Uwe be forced to wear a teddy bear outfit in order to get a Gibson rectangle bass? Stay tuned...
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Hey at least they have chrome hardware on them!
ya s'pose Gibson will try to copyright the shape?
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Uh oh. I can almost hear the wheels turning in Frankfurt.
Will Uwe be forced to wear a teddy bear outfit in order to get a Gibson rectangle bass? Stay tuned...
Hello Hr Juszkiewicz! Zis is Klas Åhlund from Teddybears Sthlm (now Teddybears Frfrt). I haff ze need off yet anozzer of doze double necks. As you see we haff relocated to Frankfurt so just sent it hier thank you.
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I recieved an answer from Walter Carter first thing this morning on how many 20/20's he thought were produced................... His response............
"My guess would be a dozen or so. I think I’ve only seen two."
I was guessing more like 200, it might be one of the rarest Gibson Basses due to it's unique style!
I know of five or six including the three on this board. Here is a picture of it next to it's equally odd partner, the 1985 Gibson Futura.
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I think I like Los Straitjackets' Mexican wrestling masks better.
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"If U(we) goes down to the woods today, he's sure of a big surprise..." ;D
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I Just came in second best again on a bid for two pickups, sold together for a pair of guitars that I have.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130361627218&_trksid=p2759.l1259
I don't think anybody else has both of these. (Most likely by poular demand) & I believe the buyer thinks that they are for an RD Artist bass. I contacked the seller & gave him the info I had, then decided to bid on them..........coincidence, I think not!
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I saw those and was going to send him a link to Jules site showing them on a 20/20, but then I forgot when I got home from work. Getting old sucks........... :-\
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He wasn't that far off. The 20/20 pups with the Gibson logo are either identical with or a development from the RD Artist pups without the Gibson logo. They certainly sound similar.
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They must have used the same plastic cover for many different pickups. I would have never guessed the one was for the Futura, but after googling the part number, a couple posts popped up with the part number for the Futura pickups. My newest parts book is 1981, so I have no reference to anything newer than that. It did have the RD Artist pickup part numbers...........