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Gear Discussion Forums => Rickenbacker Basses => Topic started by: Bert on January 23, 2010, 06:18:17 AM

Title: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 23, 2010, 06:18:17 AM
I would love to see a close up of that Ric 4000.  How do you like it ?

(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/full-fr-4000-800.jpg)(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/full-back-4000-800.jpg)
(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/body-fr-4000-800.jpg)(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/body-back-4000-800.jpg)
(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/hs-fr-4000-800.jpg)(http://www.blaat.net/bass/plaatjes/hs-back-4000-800.jpg)

It is my first Rick and it will never go and I will never be happier with any bass than when I bought this one. But having said this I allways missed a neck pickup. It does have a nice neck though.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: godofthunder on January 23, 2010, 07:17:26 AM
That is just beautiful ! I so wish I had never sold mine :sad: Best sounding Ric ever, I never missed the neck pickup. Thanks for posting those pictures.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Lightyear on January 23, 2010, 08:55:39 AM
I love these!  This one looks like it's been well loved.

I like the more organic feel without all of the binding and I think that one pickup is perfect. 

I wonder if Rick would build one custom?
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: OldManC on January 23, 2010, 10:07:24 AM
I think at one point the 4000 had routing for the neck pickup, just with the solid guard. I guess you could always 'make' one. That's a beautiful bass. And a true "S" model as well! The newer 4001S 'reissues' don't get that right, though many people don't seem to notice.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: patman on January 23, 2010, 12:54:29 PM
+1...those were the best sounding Ricks ever...
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Highlander on January 23, 2010, 12:57:09 PM
That is a fine lookin' Lady...  8)
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: chromium on January 23, 2010, 01:40:07 PM
That's a beauty!  Nice photos too.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Denis on January 23, 2010, 06:36:54 PM
Oh, she's a beauty indeed!
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 23, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
I think at one point the 4000 had routing for the neck pickup, just with the solid guard. I guess you could always 'make' one. That's a beautiful bass. And a true "S" model as well! The newer 4001S 'reissues' don't get that right, though many people don't seem to notice.

I did think of making a 4001s out of my 4000. But since I have another (4003)S I dont feel a need for this anymore. My 4000 is not routed for another pickup.

What do you mean by "The newer 4001S 'reissues' don't get that right, though many people don't seem to notice."? In my opinion my former 4001c64 was a perfect S. Apart from the too wide neck.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: OldManC on January 23, 2010, 07:21:33 PM
Aren't all the newer S models neck thru? I thought they were but I could be mistaken. I don't know that you hear that big a difference between set and neck thru on a maple bass anyway...
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 24, 2010, 12:22:03 AM
Aren't all the newer S models neck thru?

S models (4001S, 1999RM. 4003S, 4003S/5, S/8) were in general neck-thru except for a few 4001S's that were 4000 set-necks converted to 2-pickup models. Single-pickup 4000's, OTOH, started as neck-thru's, then became set-necks (possibly when the pickguard shape changed but I'm not sure), until the few last years of production when they built them again with neck-thru's. 
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: hieronymous on January 24, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
Bert, that bass is beautiful! I missed the original thread, what year is it? I used to think they were pointless, but I saw the light and have been jonesing for a 4000 since seeing the Return to Forever video Stanley Clarke with a Jetglo 4000...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFP-alYNq5I
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 24, 2010, 09:43:50 AM
Bert, that bass is beautiful! I missed the original thread, what year is it?

There was a xlr output installed when I bought it (so the serial plate was missing). I think it is an 1975. I base this assumption on pictures of a completely simmilar 4000 from 1975.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: OldManC on January 24, 2010, 02:08:38 PM

S models (4001S, 1999RM. 4003S, 4003S/5, S/8) were in general neck-thru except for a few 4001S's that were 4000 set-necks converted to 2-pickup models. Single-pickup 4000's, OTOH, started as neck-thru's, then became set-necks (possibly when the pickguard shape changed but I'm not sure), until the few last years of production when they built them again with neck-thru's. 

Ah, thanks for setting me straight on that. The first few S models I ever saw were set necks and I think I remember others saying they all were (and lamenting the fact that it changed, later), so I inadvertently believed the same thing. That's what I get for not researching more myself!
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 24, 2010, 05:25:25 PM
Loved that video.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 25, 2010, 12:40:05 AM
I thought I had my GAS under control. Now I NEED a 4000.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 25, 2010, 11:51:23 AM
I thought I had my GAS under control. Now I NEED a 4000.

This one (http://link.marktplaats.nl/313225915) is for sale in Holland for too much (imho). (Selles wants 1800, bidding starts at 1200) (Euro's that is.)

(http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/e/e4/jtiEyvLe5EIzAcLjaODQ+Q==.jpg)(http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/4/f2/fH9L4U0cU6w5SB+TUsrr+g==.jpg)
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 25, 2010, 11:59:17 AM
Beautiful, but EUR 1,800... too dear.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: OldManC on January 25, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
Did they do different fingerboards on some 4000s? That fingerboard looks really dark. A lot like my Greco 4001S copy. As you can see, my Rickenbacker knowledge is extremely limited, but I'm always ready to learn more.  :)
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 25, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Beautiful, but EUR 1,800... too dear.

Another one (http://www.soundshop.nl/product_info.php?cPath=16_20_91&products_id=1701) for sale in Holland. With 1295 euro still too much in my opinion, but maybe white is a plus. I haven't seen this color much on a 4000.

(http://www.soundshop.nl/images/rickenbakker1A.JPG)
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: gearHed289 on January 26, 2010, 08:55:13 AM
Did they do different fingerboards on some 4000s? That fingerboard looks really dark. A lot like my Greco 4001S copy. As you can see, my Rickenbacker knowledge is extremely limited, but I'm always ready to learn more.  :)

They do tend to vary in color, but yeah, that one looks REALLY dark for a real one. As far as I know, it's always been some form of rosewood/bubinga.

I have a 1975 catalog that shows the 4000 in white. Loved that white/black color scheme. My first real bass was a '79 4001 in that finish.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 26, 2010, 09:00:06 AM
a 1975 catalog that shows the 4000 in white

Link to the 1975 catalog on RIC website (http://www.rickenbacker.com/catalog_booklet.asp?pages=12&catalog=75)

Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 26, 2010, 12:32:18 PM
There is something about some set-neck 4000's that I don't understand. The neck meets the body at a different angle side-to-side than on a neck-thru 4001/4003.

As a result, the upper horn is higher in relation to the body.

To demonstrate, let's look at part of a page from Ric's 1975 catalog, which has a set-neck 4000 and a neck-thru 4001.

I'll draw a red rectangle, perpendicular to the strings, so that you will see what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: ilan on January 26, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
And again with two set-neck 4000's posted in this thread.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Bert on January 26, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
There is something about some set-neck 4000's that I don't understand. The neck meets the body at a different angle side-to-side than on a neck-thru 4001/4003.

As a result, the upper horn is higher in relation to the body.

All my Ricks (6 in this shape) differ in how/where the horns are. I always thought it was an age question and not a model one. Or maybe just the result of manual labor.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: Dave W on January 26, 2010, 06:14:14 PM
All my Ricks (6 in this shape) differ in how/where the horns are. I always thought it was an age question and not a model one. Or maybe just the result of manual labor.

You may be right. The two 4000 examples in this thread had the horns in the same location as the three post-1995 Ricks I owned.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: SKATE RAT on January 26, 2010, 08:06:18 PM
i found this pic "online" somewhere a while back........
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x120/yrofrat/RICKENBACKER4000.jpg)
i always loved the way this bass looked.
Title: Re: 4000 pictures
Post by: gearHed289 on January 27, 2010, 09:25:21 AM
Black on Fireglo... See that so rarely, I forgot how great it looks!