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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: godofthunder on February 17, 2021, 03:50:05 PM
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I have been informed that the pickups are going to be 60's spec humbucking alnico five units. This info comes directly from Gibson.This is very good news indeed, I can even forgive the three point. Delivery ETA April
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Now you've gone and made me want one...:mrgreen: This sounds very promising!
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I'm not in the market, but that's very good news.
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Will they be the same as the Epiphone pickups in the Vintage Pro?
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No word if they are the same as the Epiphone 760s, it would make sense but then we are talking about Gibson.
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Can you get it with custom-made black hardware?
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Can you custom-made black hardware?
Why? Here's some replacements that will work quite nicely: https://reverb.com/item/3384385-fender-aerodyne-jazz-bass-hardware-set-bridge-tuners-smoked-chrome :-X
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Were you always that nasty or is that a comparatively recent development?
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That hardware looks much darker in person, and all joking aside, would you consider some kind of Gibson smoked chrome a fair compromise? I don't recall seeing it on anything but Fender Aerodynes, but a modern T-Bird seems to be practically begging for it.
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No word if they are the same as the Epiphone 760s, it would make sense but then we are talking about Gibson.
Who winds the ritzy Epiphone pickups like the Probuckers etc? I have a set of Probuckers in a Telecaster and there was no indication on the baseplate of who the OEM was. Presumably they weren't wound in the US though.
For a full fat Gibson, would Gibson work with a US pickup winder or tool up to make them in-house?
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Gibson does make pickups in-house. Maybe not all of them, though.
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Eta I am told is April, possibly early in the month. Waiting waiting waiting.
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Interesting there's still nothing on the Gibson site about it. April is almost here.
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Shall I order some diapers for y'all?
Can't wait for further details to leak ...
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Shall I order some diapers for y'all?
Can't wait for further details to leak ...
For me it's just idle curiosity since I play left-handed.
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Shall I order some diapers for y'all?
Can't wait for further details to leak ...
Are you needing one? No collection is truly complete without one!
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Delivery has been pushed out to June now. 😕
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Relase date in now officially June 29, by happy coincidence my Birthday. ;) I was able to play a early arrival today. The bas is the same platform as the 2013 Nonreverse. The bass I tested was in the fadded Pelham Blue the looks more like a jade green, it really is a lovely color. The bass gets high marks for fit and finish it really is stunning. All chrome hardware through out including Hipshot ultralight tuners. The pickups are supposed to alnico V humbuckers an the certainly sound it, I wasn't able to pull one to check the construction. Yes it has a three point.......I wish it had a two point with tailpiece but I'll not bash it. At $1799 map I think it's worth it.
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"The bass is the same platform as the 2013 Nonreverse."
Now that wasn't a bad bass by any means, but it neither felt, played nor sounded like a 60ies NR. The secret of those is that they feel a little on the flimsy side. A company would be reluctant to put out something similar today, because people would identify that feel with cheap on a new bass.
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The three point can always be replaced but it's a shame that they continue to use it. IMHO there's no excuse for it.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Except, of course, practicability, that it doesn't tip over and that any dumb ass lawyer can adust it.
And that it makes a good hand rest for pick players.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Except, of course, practicability, that it doesn't tip over and that any dumb ass lawyer can adust it.
And that it makes a good hand rest for pick players.
(https://i.imgur.com/8oDX5S0.jpg)
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"The bass is the same platform as the 2013 Nonreverse."
Now that wasn't a bad bass by any means, but it neither felt, played nor sounded like a 60ies NR. The secret of those is that they feel a little on the flimsy side. A company would be reluctant to put out something similar today, because people would identify that feel with cheap on a new bass.
But the Bach NR was a cheap bass that nailed the vibe of the 60's NR, at least the second run, before they thickened up the body and neck. If the new Gibson offering has as thick a neck as the last one I won't be buying.
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That's actually true, the first Bachs replicated that flimsiness of the original well.
But I'm not blaming Gibson. It's customer expectation. A kid that spends that kind of money on a vintage looking Gibson bass wants something substantial to take home. People that want a light bass with a thin neck are a minority - it's not something you worry about in your 20ies. And I believe the number of 50+ customers that still remember how an original Non-Rev felt and look for exactly that feel to be replicated is finite.
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Some days I feel more finite than others. ;)
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They are on sale in Italy at 1609 Eur.
https://m.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_gibson-thunderbird-pelham-blue-non-reverse_id6944512.html?stkn=471oee9xu5KJ2dq4
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Allora, miei cari cromo feticisti, sei felice ora?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/c0/4b/a8/c04ba81b5f3e30fcc94b6de358eb783d.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahJaUod284
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Almost perfect Italian, just some small mistakes with singular and plural. "Mio caro cromo feticista, sei felice ora?"is singular, "Miei cari cromo feticisti, siete felici ora?" is plural😀
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I'm curious to compare to my Bach's and understand if it's worth 5 times the price.
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Almost perfect Italian, just some small mistakes with singular and plural. "Mio caro cromo feticista, sei felice ora?"is singular, "Miei cari cromo feticisti, siete felici ora?" is plural😀
Maledetto, I'll work on it!
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Except, of course, practicability, that it doesn't tip over and that any dumb ass lawyer can adust it.
And that it makes a good hand rest for pick players.
A lawyer that's used to it. I see actual guitar techs f*** it up (tilt it forward usually)
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A lawyer that's used to it. I see actual guitar techs f*** it up (tilt it forward usually)
LOL, that DOES defy logic, but I've seen it too. My late dad, an engineer, was always a helpful guidance to my technical abilities with comments like "you und your two left hands, better study law ... ", but what I like about the holy immaculate three-point is that it is robust and very misguided-onslaught-forgiving.
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Oh don't get me wrong I have nothing against the 3 point; a perfectly sensible bridge. I just find myself constantly shaking my head at the setups I see on other people's Gibsons or 3 point equipped basses in local stores.
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I would observe that there is no piece of technology so simple that someone can't screw it up.
The 3-point is a perfect example.
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I would observe that there is no piece of technology so simple that someone can't screw it up.
The 3-point is a perfect example.
Actually, I think the fact that the saddles so easily fall out when there's no tension on them, people seem to commonly get them out of order and then the setup on the bass is screwed up.
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I often change the order on purpose to suit the needs of that particular set-up!
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I'm curious to compare to my Bach's and understand if it's worth 5 times the price.
I would love to read the comparison.
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Delivery now pushed out to July I'm told.
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You can see a pile of the NR bodies in Rick Beato's recent post about his signature Les Paul Special.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNsz3ZqMDCF/
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You can see a pile of the NR bodies in Rick Beato's recent post about his signature Les Paul Special.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNsz3ZqMDCF/
Nice catch!
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The three point can always be replaced but it's a shame that they continue to use it. IMHO there's no excuse for it.
Dropped out if sight for a few months, only to return and find you guys STILL arguing about the three-point. If only the rest of life was so steadfast and reliable (like the three-point itself)...
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Being able to adjust a three-point properly is what separates alpha males from beta boys. :popcorn:
Real men don't wince about challenges but get on with it.
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Why even bother to adjust it? Sure, you can get it to work, but perfectly adjusted it's still not as good as the Hipshot or Babicz, and you'll still have the silks or thick winding ends on the saddles. Also, with either replacement, you won't have to worry about the sleeves being pulled out of the body.
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I thought you only lifted the posts when you dropped the nose of the three point too much .
Why even bother to adjust it? Sure, you can get it to work, but perfectly adjusted it's still not as good as the Hipshot or Babicz, and you'll still have the silks or thick winding ends on the saddles. Also, with either replacement, you won't have to worry about the sleeves being pulled out of the body.
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Why even bother to adjust it? Sure, you can get it to work, but perfectly adjusted it's still not as good as the Hipshot or Babicz, and you'll still have the silks or thick winding ends on the saddles. Also, with either replacement, you won't have to worry about the sleeves being pulled out of the body.
Yeah yeah, go put one of those on yer vintage bass and ruin the value by making an impression in the body/finish with that full contact BS :P
THREE POINT!
(I mean I've heard the stories, but it's never been an issue for me - I suspect some combination of installer/user error and historical trend of making wimpier and wimpier bushings - none of which are the fault of the bridge itself)
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My Hipshot (2 point) has made a slight impression in the lacquer topcoat. So what? That's minor compared to the years of normal wear on the bass. It won't affect value, and in the meantime, I have a solid, more adjustable bridge.
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I wouldn't buy your dinged up bass :P
Also, how the hell do you get "normal wear and tear" under a 2 point (or 3 point). None of mine have anything but dust covered pristine finish under there.
... and don't change the subject -there's the evertilt (I've never had the pleasure of owning a bass with one... still on it anyway - my EB3 probably came with one originally) and then there's the 3 point. Personally I like the look of 2 point styles (Schaller 460, the Epi Vintage Pro bridge/Badbird etc - even the 2 point though you know me, I'd probably deal with the tilt, if problematic, by adding a trapeze tail piece) but we're talking 3 point, which is a man's bridge; rrrrrrrrrrrrrugh!
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Way to go, you Lil' Polack Canuck, as usual we two are in perfect agreement! Identical twins separated at birth. Batter that darn two point floozy Dave into submission.
"I wouldn't buy your dinged up bass! :P"
Darn right, not without pee stains you wouldn't!
"... but perfectly adjusted it's still not as good as the Hipshot or Babicz, and you'll still have the silks or thick winding ends on the saddles ..."
Not wishing to be contrarian, Dave - nothing could be further from my natural instincts -, but when exactly did we determine the sonic impact of this rare phenomenon (similar to UFO sightings really) to the exacting scientific standards held so high in this forum of fora?
The three point is a lot like anal sex really, not for the uninitiated and it takes some preparation and skill (you don't want the stud slipping out for instance once you got the saddle position right), but once you get the hang of it ...
Waiting for some Tacoma support here!
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The three point is a lot like anal sex really, not for the uninitiated and it takes some preparation and skill (you don't want the stud slipping out for instance once you got the saddle position right), but once you get the hang of it ...
So by this "logic," in Gibson's world, anal sex is the standard? Intriguing.
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I wouldn't buy your dinged up bass :P
Also, how the hell do you get "normal wear and tear" under a 2 point (or 3 point). None of mine have anything but dust covered pristine finish under there.
... and don't change the subject -there's the evertilt (I've never had the pleasure of owning a bass with one... still on it anyway - my EB3 probably came with one originally) and then there's the 3 point. Personally I like the look of 2 point styles (Schaller 460, the Epi Vintage Pro bridge/Badbird etc - even the 2 point though you know me, I'd probably deal with the tilt, if problematic, by adding a trapeze tail piece) but we're talking 3 point, which is a man's bridge; rrrrrrrrrrrrrugh!
Oh FFS... I'm not talking about wear under the bridge but about general wear and tear on a 50 year old bass. A slight impression in the clear topcoat isn't going to reduce the value. It's not an irreversible mod.
I only brought up the two point b/c that's what I have. Sold my SG Bass quite a while ago.
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So by this "logic," in Gibson's world, anal sex is the standard? Intriguing.
Inquisitive and fearless souls are always welcome here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs
Yet it is not three point maladjusting hands that call us, it is desire ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy_U4D7UCIA
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Love those movies. I met Clive Barker at a book signing in 1989 or so. Really nice guy.
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Sigh.... when are you all going to realize they made it perfect the first time?
There can be only one master bridge - the bar bridge!
(https://i.imgur.com/i0m67FJ.jpg)
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The three point is a lot like anal sex really, not for the uninitiated and it takes some preparation and skill (you don't want the stud slipping out for instance once you got the saddle position right), but once you get the hang of it ...
Uwe, any bridge you 'load from the rear' invites to anal thinking :)
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Love those movies. I met Clive Barker at a book signing in 1989 or so. Really nice guy.
Yeah, me too, Pinhead has style and sophistication. Freddy Krueger otoh is messy and without manners and Jason is a real bore as a dinner guest.
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Oh FFS... I'm not talking about wear under the bridge but about general wear and tear on a 50 year old bass. A slight impression in the clear topcoat isn't going to reduce the value. It's not an irreversible mod.
Dave, this seems contrary to your usual high standards. I suspect a strong anti-3-point bias as the source of this temporary insanity.
By definition, if it creates an impression in the wood, it's NOT irreversable - that will still be there if you put the original bridge back. You personally may (claim to) not care, but I assure you that you are not an obvious majority on this. And it IS a ding (you just claim to not care). Despite your feelings on this (somehow I doubt you'd buy a bass that had one and then was put back stock so you can see the impression at closet classic price) but others (me) do care, and so it WOULD affect price (at least when dealing with me and the approximately 50% of other Gibby bass fans that would also care).
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So by this "logic," in Gibson's world, anal sex is the standard? Intriguing.
When buying a new Gibson instrument, yes. Few things reach the murky depths probed in the quest for the "balance due" on a Les Paul.
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Ah, my favorite, Jake and Dave being persistent and unreasonable with each other about issues nobody else cares about. Alas!, a conflict of Hemingway'esque proportions:The Old Man & The Kid Who Refused To Grow Up
:popcorn:
(https://image.saechsische.de/954x636/s/h/sh2jebdts97v3yu26c8kcyr6icgqwber.jpg)
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My Hipshot (2 point) has made a slight impression in the lacquer topcoat. So what? That's minor compared to the years of normal wear on the bass. It won't affect value, and in the meantime, I have a solid, more adjustable bridge.
The Evertilt (Tilt-O-Matic, Supertilt) is a separate and distinct issue. Especially with the nylon saddles. I'd rather carve notches in a tree branch and stuff it under the strings.
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Sigh.... when are you all going to realize they made it perfect the first time?
There can be only one master bridge - the bar bridge!
(https://i.imgur.com/i0m67FJ.jpg)
Personally, I never thought that using a mouth harp casing as a bridge is a good idea. It appears - even by the standards of North American engineering - makeshift to me.
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The Evertilt (Tilt-O-Matic, Supertilt) is a separate and distinct issue. Especially with the nylon saddles. I'd rather carve notches in a tree branch and stuff it under the strings.
Yeah, but make sure that the branch tilts forward a lot or you won't come close. The strings need to be anchored in the branch for ultimate effect.
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Ah, my favorite, Jake and Dave being persistent and unreasonable with each other about issues nobody else cares about. A
As a lawyer I'd expect you to understand that there are definitions and they mean things.
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Yeah, me too, Pinhead has style and sophistication. Freddy Krueger otoh is messy and without manners and Jason is a real bore as a dinner guest.
Agreed. I think all the Cenobites would be pretty solid dinner or party guests. They might devour your soul for dessert, but at least they'd probably stay later to help clean up.
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Yeah, but make sure that the branch tilts forward a lot or you won't come close. The strings need to be anchored in the branch for ultimate effect.
Then it becomes a Wishbass...
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This bridge debate never gets old. I can't wait for the Reverse Thunderbirds to come out with these new reissue pickups and once again paired with a 3 point. The ultimate slap in the face will come when they finally reissue a Thunderbird II with 3 point bridges. The scenario is more akin to the human centipede if we're going to run with the horror film analogies. We keep consuming the same crappy bass bridges Gibson excretes and gladly come back for more as if we forgot how much they repulsed us the first time. :puke:
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But mouth harps are musical!
What other kind of bridge comes with music built in?
I like the bar bridge on my '64 EB-0 just fine. The set screw for intonation is an inspired but simple device.
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Dave, this seems contrary to your usual high standards. I suspect a strong anti-3-point bias as the source of this temporary insanity.
By definition, if it creates an impression in the wood, it's NOT irreversable - that will still be there if you put the original bridge back. You personally may (claim to) not care, but I assure you that you are not an obvious majority on this. And it IS a ding (you just claim to not care). Despite your feelings on this (somehow I doubt you'd buy a bass that had one and then was put back stock so you can see the impression at closet classic price) but others (me) do care, and so it WOULD affect price (at least when dealing with me and the approximately 50% of other Gibby bass fans that would also care).
You're woefully out of touch with the real world market.
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Ah, Dave is doing his "I suffer because you are so inane"-shtick. This is regularly countered with further revolutionary zest from Jake.
Tune in next week when once again ... Only here at the LBO, you wouldn't want it any different, would you?
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Man I can't leave you guys alone for a minute. "A lot like anal sex" so essentially what you are saying is Gibson has been screwing us for years. ;D
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In all your just anger, Scott, please don't bring out the saw!!!
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:mrgreen:
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Notification just showed up in e-mail...
https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/USA7EU389/Non-Reverse-Thunderbird/Inverness-Green
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Will those finishes age like the vintage Gibsons? Sparkling burgundy turning orange, pelham blue turning green and inverness would get greener perhaps. Anyone here see any of their more recently finished Gibsons change shades like in the past?
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Will those finishes age like the vintage Gibsons? Sparkling burgundy turning orange, pelham blue turning green and inverness would get greener perhaps. Anyone here see any of their more recently finished Gibsons change shades like in the past?
Good question. They already look more faded than I've seen new finishes before. Like compare the Pelham Blue of this to the 2013 NR.
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Well this new pelham finish is called faded off the bat, so one would assume it should be different. But that's the factory fresh color. My feeling is the nitro and whatever type of clear coat used now is a different animal from those of the past.
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Well this new pelham finish is called faded off the bat, so one would assume it should be different. But that's the factory fresh color. My feeling is the nitro and whatever type of clear coat used now is a different animal from those of the past.
Oh, I didn't know they were called "faded" already. There you go. :)
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Will those finishes age like the vintage Gibsons? Sparkling burgundy turning orange, pelham blue turning green and inverness would get greener perhaps. Anyone here see any of their more recently finished Gibsons change shades like in the past?
Hard to tell, since lacquer formulations have changed so much over the years. I doubt it will be as marked a change as in the 60s.
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Chicago Music Exchange is promoting them on Instagram now.
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Chicago Music Exchange is promoting them on Instagram now.
Yeah just saw that earlier this morning.
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Well, mine showed up yesterday, I'm quite impressed! I'll post some thoughts and possibly a clip soon, mean time Thunderbird Ho!
(https://i.imgur.com/0dzShgp.jpg)
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That's a beaut!
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Thunderbird Ho!
I know you are, but what am I? :mrgreen:
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I did go ahead and arrange the input jack and tone knob to their correct locations, I like this way better! Gibson has evidently shipped them both ways....
(https://i.imgur.com/l6ICrSo.jpg)
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Definitely looks better that way.
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Oh man, I might have to sell some stuff.
Hoiws the body (size and thickness) an neck compare to a 60s?
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Nice!!!
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Oh man, I might have to sell some stuff.
Hoiws the body (size and thickness) an neck compare to a 60s?
It's a pretty substantial bass, I played one of Uwe's '60s NR's and it was what I always expect from a Bird, this new one has a beefy neck, probably more like an RD and the body is thicker. It feels well made and it really is, the QC on mine is first rate, no finish flaws and everything nicely assembled, it has very little pitch to the neck like early re=issue Reverses from the '80s thru '00, the action is nice and low, fret ends are very neat. These may not get wide appreciation, but they should - it's a very good bass!
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Sigh.... when are you all going to realize they made it perfect the first time?
There can be only one master bridge - the bar bridge!
(https://i.imgur.com/i0m67FJ.jpg)
Ken Collins's bass, right?
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Ken Collins's bass, right?
Wish it was! That's the replica (or tribute, it has 4 in line tuners) I built a few years back!
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Looks great!
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Wish it was! That's the replica (or tribute, it has 4 in line tuners) I built a few years back!
Wow.
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Nice job on the explorer for sure. I'm still feeling slightly catfished from that blue bird. (The rev from another thread) Hopefully Gibson takes note of our admiration and puts those into production soon.
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What Gibson needs to do is take this hardware and the paint colors offered and transfer them to the Reverse. I collect for Fins and hardware! :-*
(https://i.imgur.com/MTR7G6H.jpg)
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"I collect for fins and hardware!"
You waste- and sinful girl!
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"I collect for fins and hardware!"
You waste- and sinful girl!
I do what I can!
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Love the Explorer bass ! ilan can you explain your process? I ve been wanting to build a '58 for some time now.
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Love the Explorer bass ! ilan can you explain your process? I ve been wanting to build a '58 for some time now.
It is Amptech who built it.
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Me and mine, there's a bit of explanation after the song, feel free to FF through that! :-*
https://youtu.be/f_8WxiLlzoQ
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Sinner !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1ZcIbhsmk
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Sinner !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1ZcIbhsmk
I think pretty much everyone here already knows that ;)
Did you want the written review? It evidently is not the same as the 2014 in quite a few ways, you should collect for Fins and Hardware! Chrome is good!
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Yes, of course I do!
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Here we are....
Long awaited by some, the new Gibson Non Reverse Thunderbird is now out and available, and I have to say it does not disappoint! These basses feature a set neck neck construction, new Hipshot clover tuners, new pickups and chrome hardware throughout. My example came from the folks at Sweetwater, it was nicely set up with low action and was ready to play afetr being tuned up. Some notable differences would be the neck, it's quite a bit beefier than a standard Reverse Thunderbird, with the thickness of the wood increased to 11/16th at the headstock. Post '88 Reverse Birds are 9/16ths and '76s just a shade over 1/2". I have yet to take this bass apart to look at the pickups, they do not sound like any of the previous (5) versions of pickups Gibson has used in Thunderbirds since 1988, they're warm and growly with a nice punch to them, soloing the neck pup is bliss!
Gibson gets slagged for QC often but I've found this bass to be really well done, with nice attention to detail in the finish, especially around the base of the neck, but overall as well. The fret ends are very neatly done with no sprout at all, it's just a good, solid player. It uses a 3 point bridge which some folks don't like....Yada, yada... it works really well on this bass, it's shallow neck pitch and the bridge get along quite well and as I mentioned the action is quite low, and aesthetically it looks like it belongs on the bass.
Anyway, its a very solid and well made bass, so far I'm really enjoying playing it and its tone, a keeper for sure!
Here's pics as well.
Neck comparison to a Studio.
(https://i.imgur.com/d6L13T1.jpg)
Down on of the headstock, it's 11/16ths thick, standard post '88s are 9/16ths here.
(https://i.imgur.com/z6VPWFZ.jpg)
Pretty nicely finished around the base of the neck.
(https://i.imgur.com/YL4g2Eg.jpg)
At the nut.
(https://i.imgur.com/ubXlJmI.jpg)
Detail
(https://i.imgur.com/rdUklmo.jpg)
The much maligned Madame. This one works great!
(https://i.imgur.com/K91Wnss.jpg?1)
Gray day photo phun!
(https://i.imgur.com/2W1wz6n.jpg)
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My 2021 NR in Inverness Green showed up last week, overall all I like it though there are some issues. First I'd like to say I am judging this bass on it's own merits so there will be no three point bashing. The bass reeks of laquer this one was definitely rushed through, the smell was so bad I had to keep it in the case, after a week it is tolerable. Confirming that the finish wasn't cured there are bubbles on the headstock under the tuner washers indicating that the bass was assembled before the finish had cured. My dealer is talking to Gibson for a resolution.
Now the good. I like the pickups not as aggressive as the Vintage Pro's 760 pickups but definitely in the same family, they remind me of Seymour Duncan custom shop Thunderbird pickups that I have in other basses. The neck is beefy no doubt about it at the nut it reminds me of a cross between a Thunderbird and Telecaster bass. When the bass came in it was virtually unplayable the neck bow was so pronounced fortunately adjusting the truss rod brought things around. Once set up super low action the bass plays great, fret work is excellent. The bass is light but I don't find it neck heavy at all. This is certainly Gibson's best effort in a long time. I'll have a video review up soon. Bill would have liked these.
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[...] Bill would have liked these.
:sad:
I "met" Bill over at Reranch and he is 100% the reason I'm here.