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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Barklessdog on February 20, 2009, 11:15:41 AM
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This is becoming more & more bizarre
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192009/news/regionalnews/its_animal_attraction_155922.htm
She fed him filet mignon and lobster tails. They shared cozy glasses of wine. They bathed and slept together. He tenderly brushed her hair. She gave him gifts and sweet kisses. He drew her pictures.
But this was no ordinary affair of the heart. Sandra Herold was engaging in these loving acts with a 200-pound pet ape.
Herold's human friends said they were always leery of the inter-species intimacy.
"It's just weird," one friend said. "It's an animal, not a person. What she had with that monkey was not normal."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eHmI3ZrXkQ&feature=related
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I don't monkeys, tree climbin' crap flingers!
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Another story of a couple who slept with a baboon-
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/garden/26primates.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&em
Bob, who’s owned wild animals all his life, admits Higgins has not always been a model pet. When Higgins was 3, he slept with the couple, often awakening Bob in the morning by climbing to the bedroom rafters and dropping onto Bob’s stomach. On one occasion, they got in a wrestling match, and Higgins put one of his “steel-like fingernails” through Bob’s scrotum.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/1092227Hamadryas-Baboon-Male-Threat.jpg)
I have raised baby animals, like birds & a squirrel once. As a child I always thought it would be really cool to have a pet wild animal.
I just can't imagine a 70 year old woman living with an uncaged chimp for so long
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/photo.jpg)
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JUDIE HARRISON, 50 and three times married, is an extreme example of monkey love. She once demanded that her 15-year-old son give up his bedroom for a chimp, and today she is estranged from all three of her children because she put the primates first. Her passion also cost her her home.
She also took a lot of hard knocks herself. In a New York hotel for a job with Mikey, Ms. Harrison was letting the chimp groom her teeth, which is to say, pick at them — a not uncommon chimp habit and an example, perhaps, of a chimp simianizing a human.
“All of a sudden I feel a severe pain on the right side of my mouth and then I felt something dripping down my face,” Ms. Harrison says. “And there was all this blood, and I look over at Mikey and here he had my tooth in his hand, roots and all. He had pulled my tooth out with one finger.”
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Human beings can be very, very weird. Case in point ^^^^^.
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A 200lb primate is about three times as strong as a human of equal weight. There are a lot of variables in how you would evaluate such a thing,but they are, without any doubt, a helluva lot stronger than a man. Performing certain tasks or movements a man may be some competition for a primate, but in many others they are so much stronger than man it is really tough to evaluate. Their muscle composition is far more dense than a humans, and in certain movements that are essential to their survival in the wild, like the ability to climb and swing from limb to limb, they are so much stronger than we are, it is near impossible to measure accurately.
I am a real animal lover and I have rescued and raised a number of small wild animals, and as tame as they may be, there is still a wild side. With a smaller animal this can result in a little scratch or bite once in a while. When you play with an animal that is a close match for you in size or weight , that little scratch or bite can injure or kill you. The added bonus is, if they are that much stronger than you, you won't be able to stop them from finishing you off :o. If you think that with mans supposedly superior intellect that you will outsmart them, you're most likely wrong. A wild animal has wild animal instincts. They do not have to be taught how to kill or disable their opponent. They are born with this knowledge and if you are not big or strong or fast enough to match them ......you will not likely come out of a fight in real good shape.
Rick
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If you think that with mans supposedly superior intellect that you will outsmart them, you're most likely wrong. A wild animal has wild animal instincts. They do not have to be taught how to kill or disable their opponent. They are born with this knowledge and if you are not big or strong or fast enough to match them ......you will not likely come out of a fight in real good shape.
Rick
You can always threaten to sue them...
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You can always threaten to sue them...
;D ;D Too Funny.
I can just picture some half blood soaked SOB getting chased around the back yard by a 200lb Chimp , screaming and threatening to call Sam Bernstien and Associates.
Rick
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;D ;D Too Funny.
I can just picture some half blood soaked SOB getting chased around the back yard by a 200lb Chimp , screaming and threatening to call Sam Bernstien and Associates.
Rick
See there's your mistake - this is a job for an ACLU lawyer.
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Ain't no monkey gonna mess with you bud.
Rick
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Free advice for any folks living with monkeys: I hear that it pisses them off when you do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKzh9Ct9QSE
...so its probably best not to do that.
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LOL
Truth is always stranger than fiction
From a former Primate Zoo care taker I know.
Well, yeah...as a former ape keeper who worked with all three great apes (Gorillas, Orangs and Chimps) I can tell you that chimps are feared the most by keepers. That isn't to say that you can't have great, strong, loving relationships with them...but wow, they can do so MUCH damage so quickly when they are angry. And sadly, when they attack they often go for the groin, and the face...makes sense if you want to seriously damage your opponent.
We have an old (but true) joke in the zoo world. If you go to a primate conference, and shake someone's hand, if they are missing a finger (or more) they are probably a chimp keeper In twelve years of working with apes, the only one that hurt me (not badly) was a chimp who raked my hand with her fingernails, just to show me that she could
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The woman who was attacked is at the Cleveland clinic for a face transplant
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5852078.ece
Doctors said yesterday that she lost her hands, nose, lips and eyelids in the mauling and may also have been left blind and brain-damaged.
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As we had a (not yet adult) chimp for a short time when we were in Africa I can attest to the beast's strength. He would playfully wrap his arm around you and almost send you over the table with it.
Uwe
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/zoo-chimp-planned-rock-attacks-on-visitors-20090310-8tkv.html
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In high school I had a buddy with a little spider monkey with a favorite trick of throwing his poop at visitors. He could only plan ahead and stock up a short supply because his cage was kept pretty clean. He had the forsight to plan, but often lacked supply. He was more of an "in the moment" kind of guy and liked to poop right in his little hand and toss the fresh stuff at you. Very effective ;D
Rick
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He's probably a state legislator by now. And well-qualified for the job.
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What scares the heck out of me are people who try to keep dangerous wild animals as quisi pets. Your just asking for trouble at some point.
The ironic part is everyone is scared of gorillas which are probable the most peacefull & gentle of the primates and most think of chimps as cute funny humanized monkeys.
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I think part of the image of chimps as cute came from J. Fred Muggs, the chimp who appeared on The Today Show with Dave Garroway in the 1950s. Eventually that went sour.
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He's probably a state legislator by now. And well-qualified for the job.
Oh you are setting me up to make some serious wise ass comments here ;D But....I'm gonna pass. This is way too easy to be the right thing to do ;D
Rick
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What scares the heck out of me are people who try to keep dangerous wild animals as quisi pets. Your just asking for trouble at some point.
The ironic part is everyone is scared of gorillas which are probable the most peacefull & gentle of the primates and most think of chimps as cute funny humanized monkeys.
Several years ago, my sister in Southern California had a neighbor with a pet ocelot. For those not familiar , they are the smallest jungle cat. I don't know how big they get, maybe 40-45 lbs. It is illeagle to have one as a pet now, but at the time, it was a new thing and there was nothing to prohibit having one as a pet. They look sort of like a little jaguar, absolutely beautiful coat and a cute , lovable little kitty face. Actually, they are lovable as a little kitty in most ways and as smart as they get.
However, they have a serious case of wild instincts and when the neighbor on the other sides doberman wouldn't stop barking, the cute little ocelot hopped over the fence and promptly bit his throat out, and then hopped the fence back home and took a nap. He was taken away to Kitty Island (a place where kittys who do stuff like that have to go).
An ocelot is so fast it could do the same thing to a human in the blink of an eye. They intinctively go for the quick kill of the throat and when hit just right , you bleed out in seconds. If it weren't declawed they could tear you to shreds just playing kitty games.
Rick
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I think the nutso old broad was doing the monkey. I don't want to, but the more you hear - and they all seem to go in the same direction - the more it seems that all that is missing from the story is the line "After their bath together, the ape and the woman would do it."
And now her friend is going to be a disfigured brain damaged probably blind resident of a disability home. Some friend.
I think animals belong outside.
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The story of Moe
http://www.esquire.com/features/chimpanzee-attack-0409-2
In time, as Moe grew, so did his notoriety. Already an honorary citizen of West Covina — he'd earned that distinction at the time of the trial — Moe attended ribbon-cutting ceremonies and fundraisers, once manning a kissing booth at an Actors and Others for Animals event in Burbank with Doris Day and Lucille Ball.
Despite the ferocity of the attack, when the paramedics arrived, St. James was still conscious. His face and body, however, were mutilated beyond recognition. Where his mouth, lips, and nose had been there was only a bloody hole. Where his right eye had been there was a pit. Where his fingers had been he had only stumps or simply gaps. "I had no idea a chimpanzee was capable of doing that to a human," Kern County fire captain Curt Merrell, who was among the first on the scene, told the Los Angeles Times. "It looked like a grizzly-bear attack."
Now the really scary part - Moe escapes-
"I want to let you know I went by Moe's facility, and he's not in it."
"What do you mean he's not in it?" LaDonna said.
Moe, Maples said, had disappeared.
The couple sped to the ranch. They were met by Joe Camp, Maples's partner, who told them Moe had somehow broken off six steel welds from the cage, allowing him to open a sliding door and escape. By the time St. James and LaDonna saw the enclosure, it had been repaired and cleaned. LaDonna was perplexed. The cage was spotless. There were no blankets, there was none of Moe's stool. It was as if he had never been there. She wanted to see his stool, how he had slept the night before. She wanted to see what his thinking was.
A frantic search began. For weeks, Jungle Exotics workers and volunteer searchers combed the dense brush around the facility on foot and in 4x4 vehicles. St. James and LaDonna drove through the hills in their mini-van calling out for Moe. Bloodhounds were brought in. Helicopters flew overhead. The search was a media sensation locally and drew national and international press attention as well. The couple waited for news-and worried. A month went by and still no trace of Moe was found. The search was officially called off last July 31.
They still do not know where Moe is.
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Chimps in Africa fight back-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article840838.ece
At least eight children have died in the past seven years in Uganda and Tanzania after being taken by chimpanzees, and a further eight injured. The children were found with limbs and other parts of their bodies chewed off.
Primate experts blame deforestation and human encroachment on the chimpanzees’ habitat for the more aggressive behaviour but are divided on whether the animals are defending their territory or seeking a replacement food source.
Deforestation, an increase in the human population and a change in agriculture that has seen crops grown right up to the edge of the forests has, she said, both destroyed the chimps’ habitat and brought them much closer to human beings. The attacks in Uganda have been documented by Michael Gavin, a conservation biologist, in an eight-month study reported in the January edition of BBC Wildlife Magazine.
Dr Gavin said that the technique used by the chimps to kill or maim the children mirrors the way they tear apart other prey, suggesting that they snatched the human young to eat. “In most cases they bite off the limbs first before disemboweling them, just as they would the red colobus monkey which is one of their favourite prey,” he said.
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So are you saying that's the end and there ain't no moe ;D
Rick
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Curly was my favorite. :P
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Don't even start me on killer dolphins...
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Curly was my favorite. :P
Moe was better at throwing pies.
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Yeah, but Larry played the fiddle.
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Nobody could snore better than Shemp.
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But Curly Joe, the most hated Stooge ever.
A show of hands on how many people were abused by their older siblings in "Stooge" fashion.
My older brother was the re-carnation of Moe (The Human, maube the chimp to).
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An interesting tangent. My brother and I were warned by my father never to try mixing up potions in a rubber boot, like the Stooges (Shemp era of course). He worked in a hospital and had been involved in a couple of incidents of kids drinking rubber boot formulas that could have killed them. In one of the rubber boot appearances, they concocted a fountain of youth formula that turned the old lady into a slinky hot young blond. Yet when her ancient husband drank the formula he turned into....AN APE? Moe? Coincidence? There are no coincidences. One one hand, classic Yiddish vaudevillians. On the other, Nostradamus.
I think I am down with the chimps going apesh!t and ripping off fingers and ripping out eyes. They get angry, sure, and there you go. But ripping off the johnson? That is not cool.
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The lady who was injured isn't even the owner...she is a neighbor who tried to help. This paragraph of the story cited above is REALLY scary:
"Doctors said yesterday that she lost her hands, nose, lips and eyelids in the mauling and may also have been left blind and brain-damaged."
Oh. My. God. The poor lady!
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I guess after that would you want to live?
Did you see the noseless guys picture? They should have at least made him a tin nose like in that old cowboy movie, with Bruce Coburn?
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I guess after that would you want to live?
Did you see the noseless guys picture? They should have at least made him a tin nose like in that old cowboy movie, with Bruce Coburn?
I was thinking of Lee Marvin as Tim Strong in Cat Ballou.
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Yes, that was it!
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This guy ran into a chimp, and he'll take a tin nose.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00521/man-with-no-nose_68_521494a.jpg
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He's probably a state legislator by now. And well-qualified for the job.
Oh you are setting me up to make some serious wise ass comments here ;D But....I'm gonna pass. This is way too easy to be the right thing to do ;D
Rick
How's that saying go? There are two things that you don't want to see being made- sausage, and the law ;D
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The chimp attack victim's family is filing a $50 million lawsuit. AP story (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGKNotnQfthZt_Es_IJQD2kHv_pAD96VR2TG2)
"No amount of money can compensate my sister for the injuries she has suffered"
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Are there chimp owner insurance policies?
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This guy ran into a chimp, and he'll take a tin nose.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00521/man-with-no-nose_68_521494a.jpg
Reminds me of the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper"
rare noseless Chinese "Snub Nose" Monkey
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/Snub-nosedMonkey2.jpg)
Uwe: Cocaine does ugly things to you.
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Are there chimp owner insurance policies?
You can buy specialty coverage for just about anything -- for a price, of course.
In this case, I wonder if the owner's insurer even knew about the chimp.
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I doubt she does
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/ape.jpg)