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Title: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 24, 2014, 02:36:02 PM
When you can play bass like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHBJpCjq50E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X8fQD3CL5I


Wow! What a great band.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: wellREDman on August 25, 2014, 03:26:35 AM
proper drum n bass
first song was very voodoo child
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Dave W on August 25, 2014, 07:23:23 PM
First one is blocked here.

I like the second song, but IMHO if you're playing guitar parts on bass, you still need a bass for a foundation.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: chromium on August 25, 2014, 09:18:43 PM
Here's a version of the first clip that works in the 'States:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXDM9nkZuI


Pretty cool stuff.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 25, 2014, 10:48:30 PM
First one is blocked here.

I like the second song, but IMHO if you're playing guitar parts on bass, you still need a bass for a foundation.

He splits his signal with a Palmer. One signal goes to a POG2 that is set to add higher octaves. And this signal gets a lot of distortion. Then it goes to two guitar amps. The original signal goes to a bass amp. Sometimes he keeps it fairly clean and sometimes he uses another POG2 for this signal. So whenever he plays "guitar" parts there are bass parts underneath.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 27, 2014, 09:28:28 AM
I'm unimpressed (but then I'm no distorted bass sound fan at all, isn't distortion something guitarists have to do because their puny little instrument lacks any inherent authority?  8) ). I fail to see the sonic appeal of all these duos that sacrifice an instrument, be it Jack White/White Stripes or these guys. To me it will forever sound empty and rough. Besides, the point of bass and guitar interplay is not that the bass covers everything the guitar does one octave lower - how inane is that? The appeal is that the bass sometimes plays less and sometimes more than the guitar.

I'm playing at a wedding ceremony in church on bass with just a girl singer on Saturday and the rehearsals went fine, but it's nothing I would want to do on a rock stage. Essentially, I play "classical guitar on (an alternately tuned) bass" which suits the occasion, but it's hardly a band experience, I bas(s)ically mimic with chording, empty "drone" strings, arpeggios and harmonics what a guitarist might do. And drop in the low E once in a while to remind people that they are listening to a bass.  :mrgreen:

The above guys here remind me of Clatter, btw, the "Ric+Chick+Drum Punk"-Duo Steve Barr championed so energetically in the Götterdämmerung daze of the Dudepit, threads were awash with them for a while. They apparently still exist too:

http://www.clatter.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhQ2F56Gn0

Their stuff has a lot more charm than Royal Blood's "riffage pretending to be songs" IMHO though. And I sure bet Amy of Clatter never heard much Primus or Les Claypool, no, not at all ...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: nofi on August 27, 2014, 10:20:45 AM
i think the whole point of bands like white stripes is to sound raw. the blues people they cover, like sun house, never had a bass player nor needed one. the originals can sound either rough or mainstream. not all music demands a bass.

its been so long since i went to mass the acoustic folk thing from the seventies is the last music i remember hearing. >:(
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 27, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
I HEARD the band Royal Blood before I SAW them.
And thought they kick ass.  So I checked them out on YouTube. And to my surprise I saw only two musicians making all that cool music.

I usually don't care how many there are on stage executing good rock music. As long as it sounds good and thew songs are good.
But I gotta admit this band blew me away by just being a duo.



Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 27, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
i think the whole point of bands like white stripes is to sound raw. the blues people they cover, like sun house, never had a bass player nor needed one. the originals can sound either rough or mainstream. not all music demands a bass.

its been so long since i went to mass the acoustic folk thing from the seventies is the last music i remember hearing. >:(

I hear you. But rawness for rawness' sake is contrived. I remember laughing about the first The Strokes album and how they tried to make those vocals sound like they were recorded via an analog telephone. What is the point to go lo fi? That must have cost them a good deal of money to not use state of the art mics in the studio. Kind of like artificially aged instruments. Or throwing wood chips in a Zinfandel to give it barrique taste.

I believe if you had given Lead Belly (or Leadbelly to avoid drawn out discussions among purists) the chance to record his music in a, say, 16 track studio of mid-seventies standards, he would have gladly taken it in the thirties. And his music wouldn't have suffered in authenticity for it.

No, not all music demands a bass, but a good bass line sure helps!  ;) Electric bass is a wonderful instrument, pop music as we know it wouldn't exist without it. Not sure how the bass run of Yes' Roundabout would have sounded on a double bass. Or with no bass. Or Jack White playing it on guitar with an octaver.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 27, 2014, 12:58:11 PM
I HEARD the band Royal Blood before I SAW them.
And thought they kick ass.  So I checked them out on YouTube. And to my surprise I saw only two musicians making all that cool music.

I usually don't care how many there are on stage executing good rock music. As long as it sounds good and thew songs are good.
But I gotta admit this band blew me away by just being a duo.

Huh? I don't know what they do on their studio recordings, but they sure sound like a duo to me live. In a blindfold test I would have assumed a distorted baritone guitar and a drummer plus a singer, nothing else. Not once would I have thought: "Oh, the bass kicks in!" Like it does in Smoke on the Water once Ritchie has played the riff four times (to give an innocent example)!  :P Have a duo emulate that.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 27, 2014, 02:21:31 PM
Why does it have to be a traditional line up?
Why can't it just be cool in it's own right?

Like i said: I like the music. And I like the energy.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: hieronymous on August 27, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
Why does it have to be a traditional line up?
Why can't it just be cool in it's own right?

Like i said: I like the music. And I like the energy.
I hear ya Rob. He's doing some interesting stuff, there are parts when it sounds like just the guitar - how'd he do dat?
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 27, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
Why does it have to be a traditional line up?
Why can't it just be cool in it's own right?

Like i said: I like the music. And I like the energy.

Himmel, you are allowed to like it!

I liked them too ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMThVUpc-U

And from Deep "You-know-the-rest" it's just a small step to Deap Vally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsEE5e0PKg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUXVi3l-GUg

I'm eclectic that way. And filled to the brim with the fervent confidence that during their further ascent to stardom, Royal Blood will certainly also master the finer art of melody as other duos have done before them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFoQxjgbrs
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 27, 2014, 11:01:37 PM
Himmel, you are allowed to like it!

Really? Wow! Thanx  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: slinkp on August 28, 2014, 07:57:26 AM
"Deap Valley" works for me ... funny though that first song sure starts off  familiar... oh right, my other favorite no-bass band :)
(warning, most people are not going to want to stick out the whole 11 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3m4PH5Hhw
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: nofi on August 28, 2014, 08:15:10 AM
from athens, ga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5132RkO_Sg
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: slinkp on August 28, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
HAHAHA I've played in the Black Cat.... ONE 8x10 would be absurdly excessive in a club that small.

How many of those do you think are plugged in?

Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 28, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Really? Wow! Thanx  :mrgreen:

Within reason of course. Don't get carried away.  :vader:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: exiledarchangel on August 28, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
No topic about drum&bass duos is complete without Death From Above 1979.
I really enjoy them, their dance thingie is completely different  than other people's rock thingies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTqpdynvngg
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 28, 2014, 03:44:27 PM
That has at least some entertainment value! And with those dance grooves you don't miss the guitar much as guitars went lamentably out of fashion with modern dance music some two decades ago, German Elektro being an unfortunate culprit. It's another thing we are to blame for besides WW I and II!!!  :-[

Health Warning: Singing/Rapping Moustached Breast Köntent!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzas5qr_t9o

Ja, I do feel guilty for it.  :-\

It mutated from this here and formed a mind of its own ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o3DIEL9LT0

Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Nocturnal on August 28, 2014, 05:49:23 PM
I picked up the Royal Blood CD and actually like it. It's not a new concept obviously but I like it better than a lot of the other current bands that fall into that style. Not disappointed by the purchase at all.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 28, 2014, 06:42:46 PM
Dutchman lovey-dovey!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 28, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
Another kick ass performance by Royal Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hdyRohxBs
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 29, 2014, 03:08:38 AM
Certainly one of the better bands from 1969 I must say, obviously recorded in mono at a technically flawed Blue Cheer sound check when the guitar accidentally dropped out. More historically than musically relevant.

 8) I blame Cobain for all this. His parents shouldn't have let him go near a guitar. Or near a gun.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on August 29, 2014, 03:10:35 AM
from athens, ga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5132RkO_Sg

This is what happens when defenseless young people are exposed to the Venom vinyl of their parents. Irresponsible really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAIco_CTtwo

In the mild afterglow of hindsight and -hearing: Compared to Jucifer, Venom sound like a decent pop group. My how times have changed.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: slinkp on August 29, 2014, 07:36:21 PM
8) I blame Cobain for all this.

Now you're flat-out trolling.  Can't anybody enjoy something without you jumping in to put it down and somehow find yet another opportunity to bash Nirvana?

Sorry Uwe. I'm getting grumpy.  I'll be back when I'm in a better mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUUhDoCx8zc
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on August 29, 2014, 11:14:48 PM
Now you're flat-out trolling.  Can't anybody enjoy something without you jumping in to put it down and somehow find yet another opportunity to bash Nirvana?

Wait till Uwe finds a way to compare this band to Deep Purple. Oh wait, he already did that  :rimshot:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on September 02, 2014, 10:01:42 AM
Anybody is invited to bash DP (or anything I might like) - if it's done with humour and/or decent argument, I'm all for it. I prefer bashing to being ignored.

By the way I like Sly Stone. Very creative band, intrepid of real or envisaged boundaries and limitations. Rob probably likes them too, because he has a penchant for music that is slightly more rhythmically oriented and blues-inspired than your typical plain vanilla white band would offer. So we have a musical taste in common (besides Mother's Finest)

And I don't deny Nirvana's relevance or lasting influence, but they are popular enough to survive a dig or two - that said, Nirvana fans tend to be po-faced because everything about them is so sad and serious and Seattle and shotgun - sigh!

Nor do I compulsively put down anything somebody else likes. My CD collection is filled with stuff I heard over here from others first. But if Rob (or anybody else) raves about something, am I not allowed to mention that the king is without clothes (IMHO)? It doesn't put Rob down who I rate as a person and musician, never mind how he either likes druggies like Thin Lizzy, this curious Led Zep outfit (of which I have every release!) or Royal Blood who obviously forgot their guitarist at the last gas station. Not that anyone from these bands gives a shit whether I of all people like them or nor. But the fact that their music - in the case of Lizzy and Zep - is still being vigorously discussed on boards decades after their demise probably pleases them more than anything. If you're a decent band, you should also be able to divide opinion. This at least Royal Blood seem to have done, now all they need to find is a guitarist. One step at a time.  :mrgreen:

Kurt Cobain liked the Carpenters, maybe he related to Karen C. who had her demons as well. I'm disappointed that no one made the connection here!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on September 02, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Well, I'm just relieved that nobody is coppin me schtick as the thread title made me worry.

I don't wanna fan the flames so I'll just leave it as "not my bag."
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: slinkp on September 02, 2014, 09:40:43 PM
Anybody is invited to bash DP (or anything I might like) - if it's done with humour and/or decent argument, I'm all for it. I prefer bashing to being ignored.

That's great. I didn't find anything funny in what you said, which may be entirely a fault of mine. Maybe it was the quip about guns that made me think it wasn't a joke.

But also, I was annoyed at the bit about how his parents shouldn't have let him near a guitar.  There are very few things I regard as sacred. One of them is the inalienable right to play any damn music you feel like, regardless of whether anyone else deems you talented enough; even if - especially if, since we're talking about rock 'n' roll - it irritates people or violates some arbitrary notion of what constitutes real music or good music.  Nirvana certainly don't need me to stand up for them, but if you say anybody shouldn't be allowed to make music ... them's fightin' words!

I don't have any particular love for the tragic martyrdom myth of the church of Cobain. I prefer my heros to live long and find happiness. I feel bad that the guy suffered as much as he evidently did. But I think he was a hell of a good songwriter, with a strong ear for infectious melodies combined with an unusually well tuned feel for moving in and out of dissonance and consonance (those "wrongly" placed major chords are not there by accident); and on top of all that, he was lucky enough to tap a raw cultural nerve at a time when popular music on the airwaves was really pretty dreadfullly devoid of anything resembling inspiration.  I'll always be glad Nirvana came along.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: slinkp on September 02, 2014, 09:59:10 PM
Somewhat more on topic ... as long as the topic is people making big noise of various flavors with just bass and drums... I saw these guys once:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kziodu90LpQ

And then there's this, which I hadn't been aware of ... yikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXoYUmkRBM#t=257
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: uwe on September 03, 2014, 04:31:12 AM
Slinkp, for the record, I was being caustic and snappy/quippy:

- Cobain's death was tragic. Anybody that young (and as a father and husband) and - physically - healthy (discounting his heroin addiction) committing suicide is bad.

- He had his own approach to guitar playing and songwriting, I always credit originality. I like Neil Young's anarchy approach to lead guitar playing and if you like Young (Neil, not Angus or Malcolm), it's kind of difficult to not at least appreciate some of the stuff Cobain did. Of course it was good that his parents let him play guitar (it wasn't good that he had a gun at home nor that he knew how to use it, IMHO), any person should play guitar if he wants and Cobain's musical outlook certainly seemed to fill a void with many people waiting for something new to happen when the LA metal scene had run stale. You said that very nicely and aptly:

 
"... he was lucky enough to tap a raw cultural nerve at a time when popular music on the airwaves was really pretty dreadfullly devoid of anything resembling inspiration.  I'll always be glad Nirvana came along."

And, admittedly, there would be no Kiss - Carnival of Souls or (probably even) Alice in Chains - Dirt without him and those are the (don't laugh, I know it's uncool not to name something from Soundgarden, Nirvana or Pearl Jam here) the Grunge-(influenced) albums I dig most. I won't mention how I like some of Nickelback and - gulp! - Creed too, stadium grunge so to say. Hey, I have even written one song whose chorus goes D major, F# minor - so far so good, but here it comes - C major (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and then - release air! - A major. I guess you can call me a disciple just for that!  :mrgreen:  It's a chord sequence I would have categorically refused prior to some of Nirvana creeping into how I hear music.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: wellREDman on December 23, 2014, 09:28:00 AM
I crewed for Royal Blood last night, was really impressed by the show as a whole,
I  wasn't sure that the bass being guitar schtick would last a whole show but was pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: who needs a guitarist?
Post by: Basvarken on December 23, 2014, 12:29:31 PM
Cooll! I hope to see them in march when they play Paradiso Amsterdam