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Gear Discussion Forums => Bill's Shop: Projects, Mods & Repairs => Topic started by: PeterB on November 06, 2009, 05:43:53 PM
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Although I'm the newest member in the house at the moment, I thought it might be interesting to kick off a project topic myself. I did some before of which these two are the most interesting, a Tractor and a Darkstar-P:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Gallery/24092009780.jpg)
Currently I'm working on creating a Fender Lotto, but in a different color. This should be the result at the end:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/FenderLottoNOSCharcoalBig.jpg)
I heard a Squier TB with an extra humbucker of a Dutch bassist and was blown away by the power and the big bottom of it. After that, it didn't take long to decide to create a copy of the Lotto. I've considered many colors including Orange, CAR, black, and some more, but I wanted something "classy", but not the usual black. After seeing a Charcoal Frost P body on Warmoths site it was clear, Charcoal Frost it should be. The body is on it's way, but is lying in Dutch customs right now.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/BP687C.jpg)
I have already gathered all the parts, including the big buckers:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/06102009837.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/15102009878.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/15102009890.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/14102009861.jpg)
A few things won't be like the original:
* I will also add a parallel/series switch for both pickups;
* I'm doubting about the bridge. I'm not a big fan of the BadAss bridge, so maybe I'll just choose a Gotoh 201;
* I have a Allparts Jazzneck with black blocks and binding for the Lotto, but still have to do some experiments to see if I can transform the usual Fender headstock into a Tele headstock.
I'm glad I will get some good help of a fellow bassist for the electronics, because that's just one step to far for me.
Besides the Lotto, I have some other projects on the shelf:
* a low-cost FenderBird (with Jazzbody, Epi T-bird neck and a Mel Schacher mod)
* a NR FenderBird (with Lindy Fralins Bassbuckers and Allparts blocked Jazzneck)
* an 8-string (with a Darkstar and a ??)
* a Telecaster guitar project
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Lots of project fans here... ;)
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May i ask you where you found those Fender Buckers??!!
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Offcourse you may ask. I bought them here: http://www.darrenriley.com/fenderparts.htm
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That looks like a really cool project !
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For the Lotto Bass I would use a G&L ASAT Body. That would really nail the vibe.,
Nice basses
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Offcourse you may ask. I bought them here: http://www.darrenriley.com/fenderparts.htm
Darren Riley's shop is only a couple of miles from my house! He's a great guy and really knows what he's talking about!
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For the Lotto Bass I would use a G&L ASAT Body. That would really nail the vibe.,
Nice basses
I've thought about that or a Warmoth custom T body, but I'm a bit afraid of a big neckdive. I've tried an ASAT a few times, but wasn't comfortable with the feel. So the P-body will have to do it.
And...my Warmoth P body is into foreign customs now since the 2nd of november....I'm beginning to loose some patience here :-\
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A friend has solved the neck dive problem with the Tele guitar body. First, by using a short scale 19 fret Mustang neck, and second, by removing the wood between the neck pickup and neck pocket, which allows him to mount the neck deeper into the body. He says no neck dive whatsoever.
But then it wouldn't be a Lotto Bass project, would it?
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Very, very, very cool, Peter Farmer! I love it!
Here's mine:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/chrispdekker/Chris%20op%20bas/IMG_6299.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/chrispdekker/Chris%20op%20bas/IMG_6300.jpg)
That was at the Messe. Hate that colour.
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I know a cure... ;D
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i think that looks sweet
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Hey Chris, Peter Farmer? Haha ;D And how should I translate Chris Dekker in a way it would not be offensive? ;)
I remember those pictures, love the color but I would prefer Candy Apple Red instead of that finish. And....it was only at the Messe, or did you take it home? (if so, please invite me...)
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The name Dekker has nothing to do with a Dutch word for bulls making cows pregnant, but all with thatched cottages. For mr. Farmer: Rietdekker. So you could translate my name as Chris Thatcher. And I don't have an aunty Margaret.
I only held the Lotto in my hands. I haven't plugged it and I left it at the Messe.
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That reminds me of reading a Babelfish translation of a German page about some kind of test meter for pickups. The translation said the designer was a "pickup farmer" (from Bauer).
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Well, my last name might explain why I'm so attracted to the Tractor, and use one in a band 8)
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My wife became "Jackie Stewart", but she doesn't want to drive Formula One's... ;D
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This isn't the one Dave's referring to but it didn't neck dive either............
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/Builds%20and%20Refurbs/telemasterfinished.jpg)
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I remember that one.
I was referring to Tim Armstrong's recent bass (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bass-place/184829-cant-believe-but-im-there-my-gear.html) made from a Fernandes Tele body, a vintage Musicmaster neck and a GFS MusicMan type pickup.
Tim's a member here but since he became a moderator at the TDPRI he doesn't have the time to visit other forums. Too many people like me keep him busy over there. ;)
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Thanks for sharing that bass. Looks beautiful, I guess that's also a Musicmaster neck on it?
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Thanks for sharing that bass. Looks beautiful, I guess that's also a Musicmaster neck on it?
Yep, I put the Musicmaster neck because I wanted short scale with no neck dive. It worked. I probably should have kept it. It was my very first build.
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:thumbsup: Recieved the Warmoth P body in Charcoal Frost for the Lotto yesterday. It's really beautiful, and some pics of it "fresh out of the box"
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/171120091055.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/171120091056.jpg)
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Love the color!! :o
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Whoa! I like that!
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I like it, too....GREAT color.
Wonder if they make Crimson pickguards? ;)
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First picture to get the feeling after a check if the neck fits in the body firmly and it does. Very tight fit, and after a first install of the bridge I checked if the strings will run equally over the neck and line up straight. Just perfect 8)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/191120091060.jpg)
Next step: design of the pickguard since I don't have an example, besides a load of pics.
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Very cool. Mudmaina.
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Are those the pickups you plan on using? You'll have routing to do and need a pickguard to cover the standard P-bass route. Seems like an odd choice.
I was looking at those pickups as an outside possibility for the bridge PU my EB-3 project - are they essentially a P-style pickup in a chrome cover???
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You'll have routing to do and need a pickguard to cover the standard P-bass route. Seems like an odd choice.
Doesn't seem odd at all if you look at what Peter is aiming for:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/FenderLottoNOSCharcoalBig.jpg)
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I was looking at those pickups as an outside possibility for the bridge PU my EB-3 project - are they essentially a P-style pickup in a chrome cover???
They're humbucker with only to poles per line exposed, the other two are under the cover
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They're humbucker with only to poles per line exposed, the other two are under the cover
REEEEalllly? That is interesting. I may have another look at them for the bridge pickup. IIRC, they're not very expensive.
Yes, it makes more sense when I see what the goal is - just would have done the routing and filling the P-bass route before the paint job. But the PG will cover it.
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Yes, it makes more sense when I see what the goal is - just would have done the routing and filling the P-bass route before the paint job. But the PG will cover it.
Well that was my plan, routing before paintjob, but I just couldn't stand the looks of that Charcoal Frost body, so I changed, and the PG will be more than big enough ;)
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I would love to hear what you think of that pickup when installed - especially in the bridge position.
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I'm living in a hole, because I never saw this lotto model before this thread - but I love the looks of it. Can't wait to see your clone of it progress!
Seeing it loaded with those jumbo-buckers, I couldn't help but think of this bass:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/bfd5_3.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/smilies/doindadomodance.gif)
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WTF...! :o
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Does that bass belong to Derek Smalls? I do like the switches.
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I'm living in a hole, because I never saw this lotto model before this thread - but I love the looks of it.
It's not surprising that you haven't heard of it. IIRC it was a custom shop model with a $6K list price. There may have been a very small run.
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I luv mud but that's over the top. :P
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IMO that's evidence that more is not always better. :P
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IMO that's evidence that more is not always better. : you are probably right but i would still like to hear it...
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I would like to hear it too, but first I would wire the four muds in serial. That is, serial killer mode.
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Damn, that thing could cause an earthquake....
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if you wired 4 of those in series you could probably plug right in to your speaker box.
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It's been a while, but.......the Lotto is ready since a few weeks 8) :
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101707.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101708.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101709.jpg)
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Very nice, Peter! Great! Love the colour!
I'll calll you ASAP about split-P-business;)
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Peter is that the same colour or have you done a refin? Also What happened to the block inlay neck?
Looking very nice indeed. Everything looks like it was meant to go together naturally.
How are the buckers sounding?
-Bret
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that's a beautiful bass, great job!
:toast:
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Wow, that turned out great! Congrats! I like how the gray body now looks blue against the black pg.
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8) in blue...
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Thank you all, I'm very satisfied with the result. 8)
It is still the same body, same finish: Charcoal Frost. These pictures have been made with a crappy cellphone, I could do better. Color looks more into blue/grey, I admit.
It sounds just HUGE, but very useful sounds. With the neckpickup solo, it sounds like a good Telebass should, although it sounds a bit darker, more like a EB-0. Bridge-pickup solo has a big growly sound, it will eat a Stingray for breakfast! 8)
The pickups together is my favorite, very useful think rock-sound, not really Fender-like, but more......like a Gibson.
@ Bret: I choose not to use the Jazzbass neck. I was afraid a "thin" Jazzneck wouldn't bring me the sound I wanted. I wanted to be sure to have enough bottom and strong powerfull mids, ánd the feel of a bass I should have to "work" for a big sound, so I choose a Allparts Teleneck.
And, in the meantime, just before the Lotto another bass was finished, which I like to show to you :):
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/CS%20Bass/260320101565.jpg)
And now I'm busy with another nice bass, a mix of a Thunderbird and Jaguarbass with Lindy Fralin Bassbuckers. 8)
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Sa--weeeet!!! Freakin' GORGEOUS!!!
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It's been a while, but.......the Lotto is ready since a few weeks 8) :
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101707.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101708.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/Jazzboer/Lotto/210420101709.jpg)
Beee-yooo-ti-ful
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Love the Lotto, well done!
Are those Chi-sonics in the Jazz?
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Thank you all!
And yes, those are Chi-Sonics. The single coils, I also have the CS Humbuckers, but have not tried them yet. I love this bass, it has the comfortable playability of a Jazz, but tonewise it's a completly different animal, that is really close to a Rickenbacker when I "dig in". 8)
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Wow, that bass is all business and beautiful to boot! Nice job, I like the color!
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Thanks Doc! You mean the Lotto or the ChiSonic-Jazz, or both? ;)
The Lotto looks a bit blue-ish in this picture, but it really is Charcoal Frost.
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The Lotto!!!
Thanks Doc! You mean the Lotto or the ChiSonic-Jazz, or both? ;)
The Lotto looks a bit blue-ish in this picture, but it really is Charcoal Frost.
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very nice, may I ask where did you find the pickguard ? Is it home made ?
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AAAAARRRRRGGGH...! WHO LET A TIGER IN...?
Welcome feline creature (do they eat vegetarians...? oops... almost all of you do...)
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gotta love the lotto!!! looks really sweet. great job. are those original fender 72 era pups or the squire ones. I heard the squire ones were not the same fart in the tub as the 72. I have a 72 that i added a duncan qtr SCPB. made the bass much more versatile but killed the value. who knew in 1983 that i would care..... lousy scan of old picture
where did the pickguard come from?
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Tnx! The pickguard is custom-made.
And the humbuckers in the Lotto are the Squier ones. Bought them as replacement-parts from Darren Riley's. I also heard they might not be the same as the originals, but these have enough bottom though! 8)