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Main Forums => The Bass Zone => Topic started by: 4stringer77 on August 04, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
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If anyone's checked out Brian Fox's transcription of Dunn's line in the Sept. issue of Bass Player you may notice a slight mistake. The Em7flat5 bars should be simply E diminished and the last two notes should be C natural and D flat. This is in bars 20, 36, 64 and 80.
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strict adherence to transcriptions take all the fun out of bass playing. especially duck type bass lines. you gotta' have room to improvise if you want, although you may find an ally in uwe.
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Isn't a transcription something you get from the doctors...?
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Isn't a transcription something you get from the doctors...?
Yeah, I think it comes in a bag, hanging on a stand, and a tube/needle attached to your arm. :mrgreen:
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It's an E, I don't care whether it's diminished, chrome-plated or Gothic. E? Got it!
As Robert Redford said to the indian girl in Jeremiah Johnson, "that is all you need to know."
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strict adherence to transcriptions take all the fun out of bass playing. especially duck type bass lines. you gotta' have room to improvise if you want, although you may find an ally in uwe.
I'm all for having the freedom to interpret bass lines, but playing that line as it was written by Mr. Fox has the same effect as nails on a chalkboard for me. Also I was hoping to get the ball rolling on a little more musical discussion on this board than what I've seen. I have a bunch of my own transcriptions that I wouldn't mind having some constructive criticism on if I could figure out how to post. (photobucket?) Hey Herbie what's your favourite ale?
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It's an E, I don't care whether it's diminished, chrome-plated or Gothic. E? Got it!
As Robert Redford said to the indian girl in Jeremiah Johnson, "that is all you need to know."
Actually I think it is an E flat, which is just a little different.
And you should care if it is chrome plated because chrome plated pickups sound better on chrome chords.
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Actually I think it is an E flat, which is just a little different.
And you should care if it is chrome plated because chrome plated pickups sound better on chrome chords.
E flat is indeed different!
I totally agree about the chrome plated pickups. Definitely improve sound, reduce finger blisters, clear the sinuses and reduce incidence of the common cold. All scientifimockilly proved fax.
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I'm all for having the freedom to interpret bass lines, but playing that line as it was written by Mr. Fox has the same effect as nails on a chalkboard for me. Also I was hoping to get the ball rolling on a little more musical discussion on this board than what I've seen. I have a bunch of my own transcriptions that I wouldn't mind having some constructive criticism on if I could figure out how to post. (photobucket?) Hey Herbie what's your favourite ale?
An error in a transcription certainly can make a line sound bad. That said, I believe this is the first mention of any transcription in the 4 1/2 years of this forum's existence. Personally, I don't find transcriptions useful. You're welcome to post your own, just please don't be offended if there's not a lot of interest.
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Hey Herbie what's your favourite ale?
London Pride or Spitfire or Doom Bar or... bottles only as a strict veggie... :rolleyes: :mrgreen: oh yeah, and Weston's cider... (hic) and your own tipple, Mr 4...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUwLShffmTc
A young Steve Vai certainly impressed Mr Zappa when he started transmogrifying his solos...
Oh yeah, keeping people on thread round here is er... forgot to add... Guinness won't say whether their products are or aint, much to my disgust...
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i was once told that guinness use isenglass i think its called (fish product) for finings.dont know if its true..
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I had Caledonian 80 Shilling on Cask when I was in Edinburgh for the Fringe festival. It was pretty tasty as well as the real ales from Brains when I was in Wales. Bulmer's Perry and Cider were nice too. I love to transcribe and feel the practice has immensely benefited my playing skills.
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I think what benefits me is the listening that precedes transcribing. It's always tempting for me to launch into something instead of listening to it a couple of times to get the nuances and feel of the piece.
Transcribing is one thing - tab is another. I marvel at how much useless tab there is online, much of it played much higher up the fretboard than it needs to be. I have a lingering suspicion that most people who publish tabs think it's cool to always play on the 5th fret and higher.
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Never have used tab to play bass, but...when I strap on a banjo, tab can save an extraordinary amount of time...internet tab is not always right but it usually gets me close enough that my ear will go the rest of the way.
YMMV
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I am definitely into analysis of various bassists, and transcription is a way to get deep into a player's style. I remember trying to transcribe a couple of things while I was in college - actually, I think it was just Mike Gordon's bassline in Phish's "You Enjoy Myself" - my abilities were woefully inadequate - I learned how to read music to play piano as a kid but I learned how to play bass and guitar by ear - so I can't transcribe - it would definitely be cool to look at yours though!
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If I am trying to learn a piece of music tab seems to be more of a hinderance than an aid. It can be helpful in regard to fingering options sometimes. I write out notation on blank staff paper with a pencil. I scan my pages on a printer and will start a new thread with a piece when I can figure out how to post one. I was born in 77 but my computer skills are kinda lacking.
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Thanks- I like the transcriptions you've shared so far.
It has been years since I've written anything down. My ear gets me by, but its also my biggest crutch and makes me lazy. I used to be able to sight read, but have lost most of that ability. Back then I was using it for big band and theater gigs - Real Book, charts, etc. I had stepped away from playing altogether for about a decade, and when I started up with bands again it was all in rock and r&B type contexts. Hate using charts onstage in those settings (what are we, Lawrence Welk? :) ), and so I'd just sit down with cds/mp3s and blaze through 'em in order to learn the material.
Over the past couple years I've been slowly getting back into reading and theory - mainly because of my sons (one taking violin lessons, the other piano and drums). Been wanting to start keys lessons for myself, but haven't taken the plunge yet. Soon...
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Isn't a transcription something you get from the doctors...?
No that ain't it.....it's when you order a bunch a magazines delivered to your house.
Rick
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strict adherence to transcriptions take all the fun out of bass playing. especially duck type bass lines. you gotta' have room to improvise if you want, although you may find an ally in uwe.
Ouch, that hurt nofi! I was never a very good reader of music - quarter notes at 80 bpm was about as good as I got, but I can't even do that anymore, since I haven't practiced it for thirty years.
But I'm brilliant with the circle of fifths and it is funny that you can often find (very often classically trained) people who sight-read music real well, but have no idea why A Minor 7 and C Major 6 sound so similar. And just stare at you when you ask them to play the parallel key chord. That freaks me.
And I have never strictly adhered to a bass line of a cover song I've played. I might cite the famous parts, but that is about it. Come to think of it, I harly ever play any song with identical bass notes everywhere. I get bored quickly (even with my own stuff) and the fretboard is just too tempting.
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your last paragraph sums up my way of thinking exactly.
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Gotta agree. I listen carefully to originals, but in many cases I either can't quite match their technique or speed. Not a problem in most cases. I also feel free to insert stuff that I think sounds good. Why? Because I'm the bass player! If I have a question about whether it fits, I'll ask the other guys in the band and we'll run through the passage in practice and check it out.
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Gotta agree. I listen carefully to originals, but in many cases I either can't quite match their technique or speed. Not a problem in most cases. I also feel free to insert stuff that I think sounds good. Why? Because I'm the bass player! If I have a question about whether it fits, I'll ask the other guys in the band and we'll run through the passage in practice and check it out.
My lot are useless that way. They either ask incredulously "was there a difference between the two?" or shrug their shoulders and add helpfully: "They all sound good!" And our chick singer, who professes to dislike heavy music, always prefers the most clichéed metal eight notes & the root, which has me telling her that there must be heavy metal side to her after all, craving to be released!
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That, my esteemed cyber-friend, is why you are the bass player and they are not! :mrgreen:
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i was once told that guinness use isenglass i think its called (fish product) for finings.dont know if its true..
Isinglass is derived from fish swim-bladders and is commonly used in the brewing industries for clarification/fining purposes... :puke:
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Isinglass is derived from fish swim-bladders and is commonly used in the brewing industries for clarification/fining purposes... :puke:
I've been known to have a Guinness or three (love stouts in general). Fish byproducts are where its at! (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/smilies/guinness.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDtUzRIG6I
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is that barnes and barnes.
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is that barnes and barnes.
Yep. Art Barnes = Billy Mumy from Lost In Space
He probably didn't catch the Katy.
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The squirrel in my avatar has been enjoying Guinness for years now as it's from one of their rather surreal adverts... ;)