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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: gweimer on November 05, 2009, 12:10:59 PM
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Well, I'm not sure about how Gibson prices are, but the old Epiphones are taking a beating. People still seem to think that they're going to get a lot for the Newports and Embassies. This Embassy has been up twice so far - first time at $3000. No takers, and it's now at $2500. That wouldn't be a bad price, considering the condition, but I'm guessing he still won't get any takers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140356800607&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140356800607&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
This Newport at least started low, but didn't hit the reserve. I've been thinking about selling mine, but don't expect to make any sort of profit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496369611&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496369611&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
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That everything is going down is what is going on. The Embassy is a little surprising. That would have been a steal a couple of years ago. The Newport not such a good deal. They show up in shops around here in the 500-1000 range, and sit. So $620 seems low, but I would gather you can get a deal in person these days in that range. I know that most of the shops are cutting deals on stuff now.
This is following a general pattern that has been going on over the last couple of years, and is mirrored in other antique/collectible markets: the economy is down and people are hurting. And current economic policy and dollar devaluation are spooking most economists and investors. These things - rare as they are - will tank as people hunt bargains or bail out. The stuff they are bailing out first on are the secondary instruments - Epi's, Gibson basses other than old EB-3s or Tbirds, 70s Fenders, etc. When $$ get tight, the buyers grind it out on the sellers, and if you can get an Embassy for $2500, then save it and grind out a real T-bird or a more valuable 60s Fender for a bit more. And you can now. A couple of years from now these prices and the dollar vs other currencies will seem like next to nothing. Maybe people should take out a loan if they want stuff, because paying back 2009 dollars will be a laugh in a couple.
I went to a vinyl collectors show a few weeks ago, and one of the dealers said that there was no shortage of buyers for $300 and up discs, or $3. The $10 discs were stiffing. Same vibe.
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Agreed. The Epis will suffer more than the comparable Gibsons in this market.
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Epi is just too niche. Plus the company has not carried on producing in the US and sustaining an upmarket image like Gibson has. No one outside of a connoisseurs' circle is ever impressed by my Embassy and Newport, but if I take out the respective Gibson sister models jaws drop.
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That's interesting because there's a couple of Korean reissue Rivolis coming up on UK ebay for between 500 and 750 pounds (825-1240 usd) and I was wondering if they're worth that kind of money in the current climate, if prices for the originals are under pressure.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120487411950&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200401434638&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Kind of tough to call for sure, but I would wait. The 60's Rivolis have a stronger fringe following due to the 60s Beat association. And, hell, I want one. I would bet prices for these will drop but the first ones to start getting pulled from out of the closet or under the bed will get action. The guys who wait too long will see them go wanting, and those are the ones that will put blood in the water. The Korean ones - if the studs didn't pull out of the wood - are fun, but those prices seem too high given the state of affairs. As long as people think "I really don't need to spend money on any of this" more than "I can afford to snap this one up" prices will go down.
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This one still seems kinda steep.........http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1453093846.html
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This one still seems kinda steep.........http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1453093846.html
KINDA steep? The seller must be smoking something REALLY good. There's no way a Newport will ever hit $3000. Not in my lifetime.
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Well, that and they put their phone number in the ad. Zul.
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That's just crazy. Granted it's an early black pickup model with the 2+2 headstock. Still I think it's a $1K bass.
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I snapped this Epiphone Rivoli up yesterday...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270480925884&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
did I do well, badly, or about right?
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I think you did well. Needs some work, but you like players.
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I snapped this Epiphone Rivoli up yesterday...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270480925884&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
did I do well, badly, or about right?
I think you did very well ! Nice looking bass ! I always loved that finish.
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This one still seems kinda steep.........http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1453093846.html
I had one of these GREAT sounding bass ! I sold it when I moved to Boston back in the 80's, one of the ones I miss the most.
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I snapped this Epiphone Rivoli up yesterday...
did I do well, badly, or about right?
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Non origional Baddass Bridge? Nice!!
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Non origional Baddass Bridge? Nice!!
It's not what the seller thinks. It's a late 60s Gibson two-point bridge, a/k/a Evertilt.
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Looks to me that most of it is origional, with the exception of the pickup & replacing the baritone switch with a toggle switch, Time will tell.............. Nice color, I haven't seen many Gibson in that color, a few Birdlands maybe...........
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Very nice score. I love the pickguards that came on these.
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yeah, I intend to play this one out.
I like the front... although I find the back very unappealing. I much prefer the dark walnut brown that went on the backs of a lot of EB2/Rivolis
I've got the pickup already, so it won't take long to make it stock... although maybe another one to try the split coil thingy on.
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That Rivoli looks great to me! Lovely color.
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Dang, Jules - that looks great! Love the 'burst on that one.
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Beautiful...
How much is she costing to ship over...
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I saw the '62 Newport from Craigslist today, the owners were walking it around a local musicians swap meet. It was a nice bass, still a far cry from being worth $3,000.00, at least to me............. :D
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the owners were walking it around a local musicians swap meet.
I'm out of the loop. Where was that going on?
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Must have been the Anoka swap meet. I noticed that the Newport seller took the price off of his listing.
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I had posted this a couple days ago, http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1453093846.html , The selllers were at the Anoka Swap Meet trying to pedal it for $3,000.00 or BO.
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...and it didn't sell. Right?
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Nope!! :rimshot:
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How much is she costing to ship over...
Can't remember exactly but I think it was $115... fairly typical for a not-too-heavy cased bass. There willbe tax on top, but I certainly couldn't have scored this in the UK for so little.
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Seems a lot cheaper to the UK than from the UK... go figure...
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Price is coming down closer to where it should be........ http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1458561121.html :D
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thats a really early one,with the 2+2 head stock.!
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That was a drastic drop!
Still needs to be reduced, IMHO.
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Yeah, the meds must have worn off. It's still a few hundred high for the market right now. A year and a half ago, I might have gone with the $1500.
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Does Uwe have one?
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Epi NR Thunderbirds haven't dropped in price though. Saw one at the beginning of the year for $250 and the last one I saw this year went for over $600. :P
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Price is coming down closer to where it should be
Where is the price in the listing? I can't see it. What's this now up for.
The first time i've ever seen the case for one of these old shaped ones IIRC.
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Does Uwe have a Newport? Yes, a later one with batwing headstock in seafoam green. A pretty and well sounding bass, much clearer than any EB-O of the era would be. Don't need another one though, I'm not an Epi completist, I only buy what appeals and is mot in the herd already. Those new Triumph II basses will be my next Epis I guess.
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Epi NR Thunderbirds haven't dropped in price though. Saw one at the beginning of the year for $250 and the last one I saw this year went for over $600. :P
This one didn't do so well. The bit about the pickup screws being rusted by sweat might have put a few off. :puke:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160374281832
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When I posted it, it said, "The first $1,500.00 takes it............. It looks like they edited that out. >:(
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I saw the $1500 too. Maybe they've lapsed back into dreamland.
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This one didn't do so well. The bit about the pickup screws being rusted by sweat might have put a few off. :puke:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160374281832
Phil! Do my eyes deceive me or is that one imported US squirrel sodomizing another in your avatar? You guys have a knack for dragging even the most innocent aspects of Creation into your own filthy mire. :rolleyes:
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Does Uwe have a Newport? Yes, a later one with batwing headstock in seafoam green. A pretty and well sounding bass, much clearer than any EB-O of the era would be. Don't need another one though, I'm not an Epi completist, I only buy what appeals and is mot in the herd already. Those new Triumph II basses will be my next Epis I guess.
Your batwing headstock one has the early black pickup?
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If not, then they are not the same. ;)You can come back to this one down the road. 8)
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My batwing has a real strange, but apparently original pup: A mudbucker sans any screws, it just features holes with some brownish paper/cardboard material underneath. But it sounds much more even than a real mudbucker. No idea what it is or where it came from, perhaps Epi were experimenting.
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Phil! Do my eyes deceive me or is that one imported US squirrel sodomizing another in your avatar? You guys have a knack for dragging even the most innocent aspects of Creation into your own filthy mire. :rolleyes:
It is in fact a very platonic massage
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2462/4095529200_63757ebe6f_o.gif)
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How you've caught me now!
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Uwe should be ashamed of himself... sounds all very Freudian if you're asking me...
I had to find a suitable gif to try and complement your's, Phil... totally nuts...!
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Squirrels rule.
Of course, depending what sort of massage place it is, there might be extras.
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"Do you have... walnuts...?" ;D
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I gotta wall..... :sad:
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I think this thread has caused a disturbance in the Rivoli market.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320447092734 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320447092734)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290369101084 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290369101084)
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Eddies in the time-space continuum. 8)
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It is in fact a very platonic massage
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2462/4095529200_63757ebe6f_o.gif)
Please, Oh Please! Tell me that you DON'T have frames of the "happy ending" :o :puke: