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This has been driving me crazy because of the number of choices.  Does Schaller still make the 401?  I wasn't sure.  I have the tailpiece and wooden bridge on my EB-650 and it's kinds nice to have something so different than the 3-pointers I have on 6 or 7 of my other Gibson.

Personally, I say go with something with a tailpeice for that - it's a howllowbody after all, they look naked on the ass end without one IMO.  Maybe a Badbird (by Dasson) bridge with a trapeze.

Also, the Schaller 460 looks good on the ES shape.

What's the 401?  Can't find any info on that.

2882
Well I think it also depends on what impedance your pickups are.

I had to change the pots on my modified JCS because they didn't match the Gibson Lo-Z pickup I put in.
I believe the JCS had 250 K Ohm pots installed. That didn't work with the Gibson Lo-Z pickup.
But now I have 2.5 K Ohms  (Yes that's correct: 2.5 K) like it says in the wiring diagrams from the Les Paul Bass / Triumph.
It wasn't easy to find them by the way...


I've been looking for 2.5K Triumph pots, Rob where'd you find them?  Actually, I think I'm still trying to figure out what taper the original ones were.  Do you know or did you just assume audio/log (some schematics show linear for some pots, log for others, and sometimes even a 3rd marking that I'm not familiar with - there are more than 2 pot tapers available).

And Yes, Rob, Hi vs Lo Z will change things significantly, but one HiZ pup vs another, is not that much diff (the Z is in the same ballpark) - the reason that they recomend 250K's for single coils is because they're usually too trebly (a matter of taste, some people love that skewed tone, which is why no-load pots and wiring straight to the jack are popular mods).  Humbuckers have double the inductance which acts as a low pass filter (just like a 1st over crossover on a woofer in a speaker cabinet), that's why buckers are darker than single coils (exception being great big hoinkin granddaddy coils like the original EB pup which have heela inductance as well - basically the more and/or thicker wire around more magnet = more inductance = less treble).  500K's are used on buckers to preserve what treble they do have; 250s are used to tame the treble on singles so they sound fuller (as per DrBassman's fancy).


2883
They're right (though their use of the term 'warmer' is misleading though not untrue).  The point I'm making is that the amount of bass is constant.  All that changes is the amount of treble (and possibly some mids, depending on cap value).  Notice that that quote mentions bleeding off treble but not bleeding off bass - 250Ks are warmer, because they lack treble, not because 500Ks lack bass.

The exact same effect that you desire can be achieved by rolling off the tone knob vs changing the pots and keeping the tone at 10.  Just trying to save you some time and money and prevent people from thinking that pot values can reduce the amount of bass.

Then again, maybe you want a tone even bassier than that, and have not only switched the pot but also rolled the tone off all the way, in which case I'd recomend playing with cap values to change the rolloff point of the tone knob and make it more usefull for your purposes.  That's still cheaper than buying new pots, and will allow more versatility (you can have varrying degrees of that treble back should the need arise).

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I have found that the lower resistance of the 250k pots enhances the lower frequencies and gives a fuller sound to the bass, IMHO of course.  The higher the resistance, the more you bleed of the low end output of the pickup.  I used four 500k pots on my recent NR repro TB and it sounds thin to me, so the 500k tone pots are coming out soon for 250s.

I first noticed it with a 72 Telecaster bass I rehabbed.  It has 1 meg pots and no low end at all!  It took all of the mud right out of that old humbucker pup.  So, that one will be redone with a 500k tone pot to bring back some of the missing lows.

This is backwards; lower Z bleeds more treble thru the tone cap (higher Z prevents these freqs from being bled off, giving the brighter sound - the illusion of less bass).  You are noting this effect in reverse - it's like how some people call the baritone switch a bass boost.  You are not adding bass buy doing this so much as taking away treble.  Leave the stock 500K pots and turn down the tone control for the same effect with less work/money spent on new pots.

Because of the value of the tone caps on basses, 'treble' that is bled off may include some mids as well.

A much cheaper and IMO worthwile way to mod your tone is to play with the value and quality of the tone cap.  Or no-load pots.

2885
OK, I've been thinking about how much I liked the outcome of my NR repro in Fender Butterscotch and think maybe this LP would look good in a Fender trans blonde with the tort binding I just got in.  How about a treatment something like this...........

That's noit butterscoth, but a limed finish.  I'm not a fan of the tele butterscotch colour, but those limed finishes are so easy to apply and look so effin cool, that I fully endorse that idea.

That example in particular is one serious ncase of guitar schizophrenia.  I mean, LP vs tele are worlds apart.

2886
My Idea, that I will execute as I aquire the appripriate basketcase candidate, is to put some Triumph pups in a short scale hollowbody.  The Trons doon't sound like a bad idea tho.

2887
Gibson Basses / Re: Price Drop Alert
« on: January 24, 2008, 09:57:15 AM »
If only those came in black.  My 65 EB3 is cherry and I don't like the brown.

2888
Gibson Basses / Re: Gibson NAMM Photos
« on: January 24, 2008, 09:41:11 AM »
LOL - he's even got a genuine Gibson stool.

2889
Gibson Basses / Re: Hello, I am A Gibson Bass addict......
« on: January 23, 2008, 12:27:27 PM »
Hi, my name is Jake and I am a Gibsonoholic.

I have not been coming to meetings lately because I've been championing Gibsons on local indie music messageboards. 

I bought my first Gibson (a basket case project, you are all mostly familiar with) and it just wouldn't stop.  I'm up to four of them now, but luckily have found respite.

I find getting engaged and buying a house helps.  I assume that sending multiple kids to college would, similarly, be a rather benefitial treatment.  These same kids graduating and/or moving out of the house seems to cause relapse according to recent studies... as does paying off your mortgage before retirement.  Researchers are baffled.

2890
Gibson Basses / Re: Gibson Namm 2008?
« on: January 23, 2008, 09:52:48 AM »
NO!  Nobody mentioned that thing here (yet - way to ruin the thread  :P)

2891
The counter sunk part is a flat-bottomed route.   Even with the smaller footprint of the Warwick, I don't think theres enough flat area on an LP to mount without the route - maybe just. The roller bridge's footprint is like 2-3 times that of the Warwick.

Routing out a spot for a roller bridge would take away from  bridge height in a bad way... unless you use a riser block (or carve the top with a large flat area built in because you've thought of this ahead of time), which could look stupid.

2892
You old-timers are silly sometimes - roller bridges won't work on carved tops not because of the added height requirement, but because they require a large flat mounting surface (parallel to the strings) which just does not exist.

Also, though a break angle is nice on an archtop instrument, it is hardly necessary (just makes setups easier... but also increases the bridge height requirement... see previous point).  He could go with a carved top here if he wanted to (and doesn't have issue with the 3 point, or some other post-mounted bridge).

2893
Gibson Basses / Re: Gibson Namm 2008?
« on: January 22, 2008, 10:42:48 AM »
Yeah, I meant to mention that, but forgot. 

This second one is better (even P/J pups are a step above the allparts, despite not being my thing.... on second thought maybe better to get the allparts version - easier to stick real mud in there  :P).  The body shape is interesting in a Reverend does Gibson sort of way, but I find the faux ass-end wings to be lame.  ... and though that bridge is an improvement, seriously, lets have some intonation - it's a reworked bar bridge for crissakes.

I find that I'm starting to become very old-manish about bridges.  The new ones are adjustable every which way (and that's great) but look stupid (ruined the look of the TBird studio IMO - too square for one thing).  Then there's the unintonateable ones.  I also prefer the sound/feel of post-mounted bridges - I wish someone would just make a 460-like bridge that wasn't quite so tall.  I have no issue with the 3 point actually (not a fan of the replacements for that tho) besides the saddles falling off without strings on... and I wish there was more distance between the saddles and the anchors, but those are minor things.  Also, basses with a neck break angle, lets see some more of that.

2894
Gibson Basses / Re: Gibson NAMM Photos
« on: January 22, 2008, 08:53:48 AM »
I know it's a geetar, but this SG appears to have a carved top - interesting!


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Gibson Basses / Re: Gibson Namm 2008?
« on: January 21, 2008, 05:22:25 PM »
3K for a bass with allparts EB3 pups (e.g. like the ones on the Italia Mondial).  That's insane.

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