The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: westen44 on April 10, 2024, 11:42:07 AM
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Willie Nelson wrote the song. Patsy Cline immortalized it. Linda Ronstadt's version was much less known, but still pretty good. Supposedly, Willie Nelson once said "there are two types of men in the world: those who had a crush on Linda Ronstadt and those who have never heard of her." Whether he really said that or not, Barack Obama actually did admit he used to have a crush on her at the National Medal of Arts Award ceremony in 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgye3NLgIqY
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I preferred Emmylou H, both looks- and voicewise!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbaz_T6BN3g
Linda had more crossover appeal I guess, but there is something breathtaking ethereal about Emmylou.
And Charlie Dore!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKrgJZhpzk
I always thought of her as the Brit answer to Emmylou, both vocally and visually! ;D
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I probably mentioned this already in an earlier thread. But at the Linda Ronstadt concert I went to circa 1980, she actually addressed the Emmylou Harris issue. Linda Ronstadt actually seemed to be pissed off that Emmylou Harris wasn't being recognized by the public enough. Personally, I look at them as equals. However, that "Heart Like a Wheel" album by Linda was a big plus in making her popular with the public. Maybe Emmylou had albums just as good or better, but "Heart Like a Wheel" was quite a success. Much more could be said, but I think this was a turning point for her.
https://youtu.be/PqpVlHjfQGg
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Linda's music and image was just more commercial - and I don't mean that disparagingly. She was rock and pop as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoitbfaVjH0
When Emmylou did something commercial, she was kind of awkward doing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckdFa1efO_w
As someone rightfully remarked in the YouTube comments, the period mess up in the vid is a howler: It professes to be from 1946 - the boys are coming home - yet the original song only came out in 1954:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNUgsbKisp8
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Chuck Dauphin of Billboard wrote, "Nobody can deliver a song aching with sadness and loneliness quite like Emmylou Harris. When she pours her heart and soul into a lyric, you are instantly grabbed emotionally..."
Personally, I would say it's the emotional factor which may be the biggest difference between Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris. Certainly, I already felt that way even before reading the Billboard quote. But I think it's true. Still, though, I can't rate one as better than the other. If I could have had a choice, I would have preferred seeing Emmylou in person rather than Linda, however. But that's mostly because I think Emmylou puts more into her performances than Linda did. I'm quite sure seeing Emmylou Harris in person would be a thrill.
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Emmylou and Linda had different audiences with some overlap.
Two great examples of what Emmylou does best. The first is a Louvin Brothers classic, the second (written by Johnny Mullins) was an earlier hit for Loretta Lynn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KH3JC1tFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVIYI_7F74
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From a German viewpoint the difference was:
If someone owned a Linda Ronstadt album, he/she probably had a copy of Frampton Comes Alive! too. If he/she listened to Emmylou Harris, you'd be more likely to find a Gram Parsons record next to it. And not just because they were a couple at one point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUr9X3mic_U
Harris fans were viewed as "folkies", Ronstadt was seen as much more mainstream.
That said, Linda didn't always tread safe - the way she revisited her Mexican roots in the later part of her career was daring I thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWV7uGdiXhk
Emmylou would always stay much more "on course" of her image and the music you would expect from her, she'd just wriggle a little at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y505xscI3AE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK_9ppta_M0
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That's a very apt comparison.
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Let's just say I definitely heard of Linda Ronstadt. :thumbsup: Emmylou is absolutely gorgeous, but I wasn't really aware of her when I was crushing on female singers around age 14.
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You had very tame tastes then, Tom, tsk, tsk, tsk ... :-X
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Which reminds me, although it is several years old, I just noticed this comment by Jackie Fox under this Runaways video. It's the first one.
If you scroll down, she posts again later. Of course I can't verify that any of this is real. On YouTube it usually isn't. Also, most of the comments seem to be from people who have gone bonkers. But that's par for the course with YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBvXpjudf8
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Which reminds me, although it is several years old, I just noticed this comment by Jackie Fox under this Runaways video. It's the first one.
If you scroll down, she posts again later. Of course I can't verify that any of this is real. On YouTube it usually isn't. Also, most of the comments seem to be from people who have gone bonkers. But that's par for the course with YouTube.
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Yes, that's definitely her YT profile.
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Yes, that's definitely her YT profile.
That's great to know. I'm glad she decided to comment. I just found this interview from 1998 which is interesting.
https://members.tripod.com/~cherry_b/Jackie.html
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Emy Lou had a wedding reception was right across the street from where I was living. She married Brian Ahern. At the time we noticed the party , and thought the bride looked gorgeous. Had no idea who she was at the time.
Edit … Brian Ahern had worked at the CBC as an engineer and sound guy. He took off with a CBC mobile recording truck and ran off to Nashville. And became legend here long before he hit the big time in Nashville as a producer. The CBC eventually got their truck back some years later.
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That's great to know. I'm glad she decided to comment. I just found this interview from 1998 which is interesting.
https://members.tripod.com/~cherry_b/Jackie.html
Good lord, a Tripod site still exists!
Jackie has really opened up since her Jeopardy appearance. Maybe she realizes how many fans she still has. She's very active now on Facebook and interacts with her followers.
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Ever meticulous Jackie (a jurist!) must be the only person on earth :mrgreen: to apologize for lip syncing glitches - a lot of bands have a hoot doing it intentionally badly because they think it is so beneath them. ESPECIALLY bands that are strong live acts.
Watch Blackmore here at 04:55 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWx7lSZw-c
No comment necessary here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRAZ1uS-Ao&t=108s
Sting forgot his bass and singing into the microphone ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSF4Mj7d010
The brothers trade places, Noel pretends to sing lead, Liam pretends to play guitar ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6M93SDCl-g
Alan Lancaster was very strung up during this particular TV performance - at 02:50 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_sJifUYgM
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Good lord, a Tripod site still exists!
Jackie has really opened up since her Jeopardy appearance. Maybe she realizes how many fans she still has. She's very active now on Facebook and interacts with her followers.
I was especially interested in what she said about her Thunderbird. I hadn't known about that. Of course there is a lot about the Runaways I may not be aware of. But I definitely didn't know the story of the reasons why she quit, and her management not taking care of the gear, like the bass, etc.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/the-classic-rock-plugg-on-instagram-jackie-fox-of-the-runaways-with-her-1965-gibson-thunderbird-bass-guita--134685845096603276/
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Muse decided to do this to their unsuspecting (and innocent) Italian audience. It's kind of cruel. Not really too funny to me except the drumming part looks so stupid, you can't help but laugh a little. However, it must be added that Muse has let it be known how much they love Italy time and again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7LT3FtPtbc
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Most Muse fans probably thought it hilarious and treasure the incident! :mrgreen:
What a bunch of thieving magpies they are - I sure hope Billy Idol/Steve Stevens never got to hear that synth intro ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZQaYKZMTI
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You had very tame tastes then, Tom, tsk, tsk, tsk ... :-X
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/81/25/f881250ba580064ea77b0084d9d0aabb.gif)
Linda, Debbie Harry, Stevie Nicks, and Ann Wilson were the ones. :-*
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Most Muse fans probably thought it hilarious and treasure the incident! :mrgreen:
What a bunch of thieving magpies they are - I sure hope Billy Idol/Steve Stevens never got to hear that synth intro ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZQaYKZMTI
I sure wouldn't have noticed any connection between "White Wedding" and "Uprising." But it looks like there is one. In general, though, I think it can be said that Muse's music is creative and original. There are some obvious influences, but about what you would expect with any band.
I'm sure a lot of Muse fans did like that video and I kind of did, too. But I don't fit into the typical Muse fan boy paradigm. I'm a fan, but not an obsessive one. I could say the same about Hendrix fans in regard to their unhealthy obsession even though I'm a Hendrix fan, too. I don't care, though, about the personal details of bands I listen to. It's about the music. Even when I decided to join a band for the first time, it was about the music, not the girls. Music is a big deal (probably to every person here.)
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Linda, Debbie Harry, Stevie Nicks, and Ann Wilson were the ones. :-*
Older women than you then, Tom, but that's ok as long as you they don't get caught in the US!
I was kinda torn between Cherie, Jackie and Joan. Or Suzi Q, you couldn't always tell them apart, Joan and her. :mrgreen:
But I understand the older women thing too, Tom, it's all good. It's hard to get a same age date if your record collection consists of only King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Yes and ELP. :rimshot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7JgOY1ff5A
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Speaking of Billy Idol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JjB3CnUPvY
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Was that just the guy who used to be in a band called London SS before it became Generation X? :mrgreen:
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Was that just the guy who used to be in a band called London SS before it became Generation X? :mrgreen:
When it comes to Billy Idol, I think a lot of Americans look at him mostly as a solo artist prominent in the early 1980s, especially on MTV. His earlier background with bands is not very well known. Whoever was promoting him as a solo artist in the U.S. did an excellent job.
Even to this day, the exact meaning of the "White Wedding" video is a little unclear to me. I've read about it, but have never seen a clear explanation. I was once at a party or some kind of gathering. A young woman there was talking to us about the song and seemed to have some inside info which she didn't feel completely free to discuss. Whether she knew something valid or not, I'll never know. I wanted to talk to her in private, but that would have been highly inappropriate in the setting we were in. I was under the impression it might have something to do with sex, but was left wondering due to the circumstances. She was obviously wanting to say more, but couldn't.
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Not everything is about sex. There is also Rock’n’Roll. And, lest we forget, drugs.
"I've been away for so long
I let you go for so long
It's a nice day to start again
It's a nice day for a white wedding"
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It’s user lingo for a cocaine relapse. And the chest-beating, yet darkly nihilist song fits the topic perfectly.
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Not everything is about sex. There is also Rock’n’Roll. And, lest we forget, drugs.
"I've been away for so long
I let you go for so long
It's a nice day to start again
It's a nice day for a white wedding"
(https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/icegif-4204.gif)
It’s user lingo for a cocaine relapse. And the chest-beating, yet darkly nihilist song fits the topic perfectly.
That very well could have been what she was talking about. We were a separate group of young people and there was an older group not too far away the best I remember. I can see why she wouldn't want to be talking about drugs. I remember at the time I wasn't too concerned about not knowing the song's meaning. I assumed I would surely find out soon enough. I had absolutely no idea it wouldn't be until 2024.
I went for years having no idea this song was about drugs. Paul McCartney said the song was an ode to pot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95-7zfgtLw
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Paul's love for pot is kinda touching, through the decades he never grew out of it. He will be reincarnated in Jamaica no doubt.
They've largely legalized it now in Germany, as of this month.
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I remember reading a story about the Beatles getting together to take LSD. Peggy Lipton was the only girl there, something which annoyed John Lennon who was rude to her. Paul McCartney, who ended up dating her for a few months, went into the bathroom with her and smoked pot. Just one of several stories about pot which I'm sure could be told about Paul.