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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 18, 2009, 11:54:27 AM
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Holy Flying Fokk!
This movie raises the bar of moviemaking so high that even the upcoming Alice In Wonderland pales in comparison & I can say that with some authority cuz I just saw the new trailer for Wonderland in 3D before getting my mind completely blown by James Cameron's new MASTERPIECE!
He sank a boatload haha of money into this one--a quarter billion!!!! & got some unbelievable results.
If you don't go see this in 3D in a big IMAX theater you'll be kickin' yourself in the arse for the rest of your life!
Saw the midnight showing last night & I'm gonna see it again tonight!!
I'll say more about it tomorrow....
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For once I decided not to go see a big movie like this at midnight. I just did not want to deal with the crowds but everyone I am hearing from is saying it was great. I will get my friend to go with me sometime in the next couple weeks.
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So want to see this one... right up my literary ambitions... 8) 8) 8)
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Can't keep from going to see it again! It's like an irresistible magnetic pull!
The leading lady is Zoe Saldana. She is really, really gooood
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I have a friend that worked on it for over a year. The technology sounds pretty stellar but I don't know if I want to see yet another movie where the military is made out to be the bad guy, taking advantage of innocent indigenous people.
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My son saw it was is jaded, and loved it.
I'm going tonight.
Other recent SGI I have seen-
GI Joe & Terminator III had to be the worst movies in recent memory.
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I want to see "Avatar" too!n Heard it was awesome! I really want to see the "floating islands" which look like Yes' album covers!
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Saw it. It was an amazing experience. Yes the story was a bit heavy handed and the humans were made to be a little too inhuman, but overall it was just amazing.
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A planet of tiger people who wear almost nothing on their 10 foot tall & thin perfect anorexic thin waxed hairless airbrushed bodies like supermodels in magazines!
Ridiculous, really.
...but ya gotta luvvit! heh
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I am starting to regret my choice to wait to see it. I must wait now until after Christmas mainly because the AMC in my town, one which so conveniently added an IMAX screen a couple years ago, is apart of the mall. Simply I would have trouble finding parking because people seem to wait till the last minute to shop.
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I have a friend that worked on it for over a year. The technology sounds pretty stellar but I don't know if I want to see yet another movie where the military is made out to be the bad guy, taking advantage of innocent indigenous people.
There was a good bit in the beginning where the male lead points out the difference between the military, and the mercenary like force sent to work with the evil big corporation.
Unfortunately I only got to see it in 2D, as one of the group I went to go see it with had to work the next day, and didn't want to wait an extra 40 minutes to catch the 3D one. I will be going back next week sometime to catch it I guess.
I really liked it. But ... I fear it underlines the modern director's over reliance on digital vistas to wow us, and hopefully distract us from paper-thin plots and cardboard characters. I told one person that and they thought that meant I hated it, not quite. Hell, I intend to by the Blu-Ray the moment it comes out. But I don't want to list my criticisms until all who wanted to see it have.
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I guess it was the that Ed Harris-starring "submarine lifeform-that-looks-like-they-were-lifted-off-Starcastle covers-disregarding-mammary-glands"
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Cameron film in the late eighties that featured any form of deeper character painting. That is just not Cameron and you shouldn't expect it in Avatar either.
I'm not so much worried about Avatar (which I haven't seen but will for curiosity's sake even though it seems to be a simple "bad white men against saintly savages"-story, one of the white guys turns good, surprise, surprise ...), but about the deluge of B-movies in the same vein that will follow it if it is successful (I fear it will be and not end up as another Tron). I saw Disney's A Christmas Carol
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/11/5/1257417835593/A-Christmas-Carol-001.jpg)
in 3D. I find the effect from mildly entertaining to distracting. But then I'm old-fashioned. I didn't want to see colorized Casablanca
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Casablanca_(colorized).jpg&usg=AFQjCNGMmLmkcMG2rAC8_pabj8pT9ACGYg)
either and dread a 3D version of it ... If a story doesn't work in black & white, don't bother filming it ...
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There was a good bit in the beginning where the male lead points out the difference between the military, and the mercenary like force sent to work with the evil big corporation.
Unfortunately I only got to see it in 2D, as one of the group I went to go see it with had to work the next day, and didn't want to wait an extra 40 minutes to catch the 3D one. I will be going back next week sometime to catch it I guess.
I really liked it. But ... I fear it underlines the modern director's over reliance on digital vistas to wow us, and hopefully distract us from paper-thin plots and cardboard characters. I told one person that and they thought that meant I hated it, not quite. Hell, I intend to by the Blu-Ray the moment it comes out. But I don't want to list my criticisms until all who wanted to see it have.
Good point. It ain't meant to be unpatriotic. It's really a good social commentary showing how materialists resist "other worldly" phenomena even tho it's presented with scientific explanations.
When Ribisi's character--the Top Dog of the corporation says, "What have you guys been smoking out there? ha ha haa" it echoes a thousand authoritarian figures we've all heard try to shoot us down & keep us in line & negate our positive vibrations & stifle experimentation & exploration our whole lives.
Too bad your friend couldn't wait so you could all see it in 3D. You're smart to plan to go back & see it in 3D. You'll love it!
I think the digital effects, as great as they are, still take a backseat to the plot & characters: after all, James Cameron is known for his storytelling & characters as much as technological advancements in moviemaking.
It's Zoe Saldana's acting abilities that pulled me back for the 2nd viewing!
Those of us who are loving the increasing possibilities in moviemaking will wanna get a 3D tv ASAP. They're the Main Event at the Consumer Electronics Show next month!
I want one! :o
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+1 on Casablanca in "glorious black and white"...my favorite love story. Ingrid Bergman was such a beautiful woman.
I am such a nerd.
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Casablanca is just one of those films I keep missing (mostly gone zzzzzzzz 1/2 way thru...) but keep meaning to see... ;D
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I've never seen Casablanca in color. Don't plan to either.
Also can't imagine anybody wanting to see Disney's version of A Christmas Carol. What's the bloody point? To prove how proficient they are at creating fakey looking humanoid images? No thanks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbqEXDePKSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfxJCdBFuLk
"Nine chances out of ten we both wind up at a concentration camp, isn't that true Louis?"
"I'm afraid Major Strasser would insist!"
:mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaK44teGwk
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Re: Casablanca in B & W:
People behind the cameras in those days were artists...they used shading, chiauroscuro (think that's how you spell it) Sfumato...just like a painter....plus the story line is so classic...Bogey is just so cool...
Ingrid is awesome...
This is a film that is a work of art.
I am such a nerd.
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Hey mods~ Can the last few posts about fokking Casablanca be removed from this discussion about AVATAR?
Thanks
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How a-historic you are, Ter! :o At this point I cannot say whether Avatar will in a few decades be in the same league as Eisenstein's The Battleship Potemkin, Lang's Metropolis, Fleming's Gone with the Wind (not only notable for the then-technical gimmick of color, but for a historic and multi-layered story including a heroine that wasn't always good or nice), Coppola's Godfather or Apocalypse Now. Or Curtiz' Casablanca for that matter whose dialogues and soundbites ("round up the usual suspects", "here's looking at you kid" or "this could be the beginning of a wonderful friendship") have permeated English language in perhaps almost as lasting and deep a manner as "I'll be back!", "Hasta la vista, baby!" and - let me think of another one from Herr Cameron, that most underrated painter of deep characters and memorable dialogue - "brrr, I'm so cold".
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00453/Leonardo_682x400_453794a.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFr0x86dC0c7ua6KhlDPoujSSfVqw)
The Alien monster in Alien II didn't say all that much really, being very entrenched in an "action not words" mode IIRC.
But I'll gladly give my two Euro cents about Avatar once I've seen it! ;)
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Just fokking with you nerds. :P
Funny how Titanic ended with the Jewel of the Ocean getting thrown in the ocean, huh?
Ooops~ maybe I should have posted a SPOILER alert before saying that. haha :rolleyes:
That was one thing about that movie that I didn't like.
The ending of AVATAR is much better!
Hopefully your replies here won't be so cynical after you've seen it, Uwe.
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Sorry, Ter, I was hyphed up from a litigation matter yesterday and some of the cynicism that had filled the pen for the litigation brief crept into my reply to you, it shouldn't have, apologies!
I'll definitely see AVATAR if only for that Na'vi (spelling?) chick that looks to me like she was animated straight after Angela Jolie (with a flattened nose!)! I found the Na'vi foilage world in the short trailers I saw enchanting, I have a soft spot for fantasy animation and was devastated when my pre-teenage children told me one day that they were now "too old to still watch cartoons in the cinema" with me! ;D
And I didn't think Titanic was bad at all, perhaps the love story didn't work too well between the two. Chucking the jewel into the ocean ... I guess it was to document that her memories weren't about material things, but her greatest love. I simply hated the way Billy Zane was limited in his role as the villain. Not only was he a villain, but he had to be a coward villain too. Sort of like Gladiator, it wasn't enough that the emperor was evil, no he had to kill his father, screw his sister and maim Russel Crowe as the gladiator before dueling him too.
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No apology necessary. Just joking around.
Tell your kids you're never too old for cartoons!
Take 'em to see Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs.
Saw it yesterday & it's a GAS!!! the $3 theater i saw it in doesn't have 3D but it was still real good; better than The Princess & the Frog.
I've been to 2 dozen movies in theaters this year & Avatar is by far the best.
Yeah, I think they did something like the kids in Weird Science (remember that one?) did & put a little bit of this & a little bit of that - sugar n' spice & everything nice to build that tigress! ROWRrrr
I think they threw some Elvis into the leading man's character tooo
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I finally got to see this in 3-D last night, what an incredible treat -truly a visual overdose!
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Phil Kennemore--the bassplayer for Y&T-- loves it too!
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I really enjoyed it, some of the scenes were rather evocative of the Vietnam war to me, and of U.S. treatment of native americans as well.
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I really enjoyed it, some of the scenes were rather evocative of the Vietnam war to me, and of U.S. treatment of native americans as well.
So, in other words, it's geared towards the 20 year old idealogist...
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Saw it last night with the wife and kids - great movie. Two things afterward:
1) I have a sudden urge to listen to "Tales From Topographic Oceans."
2) My Avatar bass cabs suddenly escalate in "Cool Value" for my son. :mrgreen:
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I saw it too, loved it. Was Uma Thurman the body inspiration for the alien chicks?
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So, in other words, it's geared towards the 20 year old idealogist...
Err... 50 year old... guilty as charged...
I have OCD re certain movies... when I was off sick (man-flu... as bad as it gets...) pre hols so I watched Bladerunner 4 times in a row (all "primary" versions from the 25th anniv. box set) - seen the film a few hundred times. This is the film I have seen the most times... some just hit a nerve, and the bur sticks... "The Shipping News" is another, "Finding Nemo", "Sunshine", "Stardust", "Matrix", Lilo & Stitch", "Bourne" trilogy, "Contact"... there isn't a common thread...
AVATAR hits the nerve...
I like Cameron as a director (not as much as R Scott) but did not like his sci-fi style in Terminator, nor the way he transfered it to Aliens (not to say this detracted from the story) - I do like Titanic - family link - one that didn't get lucky - crew, so I was told by my mother...
AVATAR... saw it last Tuesday, 3D, of course... taking Jackie & Roshina next Tuesday (cheap-seats day at our local multi) ...
There are some deliberate "let's show what the technology can do" (golf) type scenes, but so much of it is just... so... jaw... dropping... Yes, the story does imbue more than just a hint of "spiritualism", and American Indigenous Peoples influences, etc. but it works for me... it is going to split opinions (love-it-hate-it-don't-get-it) but it deserves to be seen by anyone who enjoys cinema...
Gonna have a problem with it on the "small screen" though... just so meant for the BIG SCREEEEEEEN...
I suspect it is going to be one of those films where people can say, "I saw it on the big screen" and people will go, "Really...? I so wish I did..."
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Saw "Avatar" with the gf this weekend and I thought it was amazing. Sure, they story was predictable and the plot reminded me of "Dances With Wolves" but the effects sure were worth seeing. When I got home I looked through my Roger Dean book at all the floating islands and weird creatures.
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We saw it yesterday as well. We really enjoyed it. The 3D was awesome!
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I started hearing from people I know that they hated it, thought it was horrible. I did not understand till I connected the dots. They are Christian Republicans. Turns out I was not imagining this.
I just saw it as an Sci fi movie. Had no idea it was offensive.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2010/01/avatar-why-do-conservatives-hate-the-most-popular-movie-in-years/comments/page/2/
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John (four pizzas) Podhoretz is hardly a Christian Republican.
No matter the movie, if it has any message at all, some people are bound to dislike it.
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No, but the people I personally know who did, are.
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I hope I can tread these waters in a responsible manner. First off, having not seen the movie the only opinions I have stated here were come to by being familiar with the progress of the production from knowing one of the crew and reading reviews and comments from those I find whose views usually comport with mine. Not that everyone's has to, but in this instance it means I trust the view they ascribed to the film. That being said, the political skew of Avatar was described by James Cameron himself in interviews about the movie (including one I saw online from the Today Show (a program I usually avoid).
None of these things makes Avatar any different than most every other movie released by the Hollywood machine. It's up to every individual to decide whether they choose to see the film (and support those views with their dollars) or not. Most will see it without even thinking of it in these terms (and that's fine), but for those who choose not to (or who see it but hate it), labeling them in pejorative terms like the L.A. Times chooses to do is not a reasonable way to discuss the fact that some people don't have the same world view as they do.
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Well said, George.
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it's too bad that politics, left or right has to stick it's ugly head into almost every corner of american life. :P i stopped watching movies years ago for many reasons so in my case ignorance is indeed bliss.
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I like to think I'm in the middle...this pisses off everybody, regardless of race, creed, color or national origin--not to mention political persuasion.
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I have no patience for people who view everything in life through the lens of a single issue. Whether that issue is religion, political persuasion or something else, ya gotta let go sometimes and just enjoy.
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The main theme in Avatar of big mining companies displacing native populations rings true in many countries, mine included.
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Oh, and when I saw the movie I was wondering. Do they "mate" in the traditional way (this was not clear in the "mating" scene), or does sex somehow involve joining those fibre optics in their tails? The horse certainly got a thrill when the guy joined his ponytail to her mane, so I'm not sure if genitals are involved.
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Oh, and when I saw the movie I was wondering. Do they "mate" in the traditional way (this was not clear in the "mating" scene), or does sex somehow involve joining those fibre optics in their tails? The horse certainly got a thrill when the guy joined his ponytail to her mane, so I'm not sure if genitals are involved.
Maybe they do it in the water, like all those old folks in "Cocoon"!
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You'll have to do some xenobiological research - the "Star Trek" universe has a view that some kind of "repition of design" goes on, hence "Spock" thinks, therefore he exists... (at least in literature, cinematography, and in various dimensional shifts... ;D)
I suspect it may be dangerous to risk experimantation - the cultural risks of misinterpretation could be lethal... :o
Missed it this week as now signed off sick for 2 weeks (labrynthitis - keep falling over - not fun...)
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Avatar may sink Titanic! :mrgreen:
http://movies.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/11/can-avatar-sink-the-titanic.htm
Hope it does. Brilliant film!
Interesting question about sex habits. I would venture to guess that they do it the same way us humans on earth do it, with the added "TELEPATHY" of the "fiber-optics".
I sure would SHTUP the HELL outa that tigress babe!
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I finally was able to go see Avatar in IMAX 3D. I thought it was pretty good and the visual effects were pretty good.
It has already been reported that a sex scene is planned to be part of the deleted scenes when it is released on DVD/Blu-ray.
Edit: From the script:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2010/01/500x_navisex.jpg)
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Cameron now has top two grossing films...
Talk of a lot of retrofitting of older hit movies to re-issue as 3D...
Lord of the Rings is high up the list, as is Star Wars...
What would you lot want to see ("BLADERUNNER" please...) ...?
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Just back from topping up Mr Cameron's coffers some more... just as good on a second helping... family enjoyed it too...
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I finally was able to go see Avatar in IMAX 3D. I thought it was pretty good and the visual effects were pretty good.
It has already been reported that a sex scene is planned to be part of the deleted scenes when it is released on DVD/Blu-ray.
Edit: From the script:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2010/01/500x_navisex.jpg)
Seems a lot less messier than the way we do it.
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I saw it again this past week, interestingly a second version that was missing a scene or two from the original................Hmmmmmm ???
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What scenes were missing? That's F'ed up. :sad:
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Some of you might be amused by this (or not): Avatar plot = Disney's Pocahontas (http://www.soberinanightclub.com/2010/01/avatar-plot-disneys-pocahontas.html) :)
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Dave, I'd heard there was a similarity but to see it spelled out like that was hilarious. Thanks!
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Just goes awry at the end... poor bugger, who'ld like to end up living in Brentford...? (think somewhere you would not like to live, ever...;D)
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After the Hunchback, Pocahontas is my second favorite of the post-sixties Disney films. So that does make me hopeful for Avatar.
Seriously, the "noble savage girl (or man) meets civilized white man (or woman), their love draws them together, but loyaltydraws them apart is an age-old variation of Romeo & Juliet. James Cameron certainly didn't invent it, but neither did the Disney people.
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You have just GOT to see it in 3D, Uwe
If we're talking post 60's Disney, I gotta admit a liking for Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, and Brother Bear, too...
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Funny, I thought it was closer to Princess Mononoke -
http://boardreader.com/thread/Princess_Mononoke_and_avatar_similaritie_8xlrX2joal5.html
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I stopped watching Disney when Walt Disney died.
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one day he will return.
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His death hit me harder than JFK's. I had grown up watching Walt - not true of JFK, who died when I was 13.
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I stopped watching Disney when Walt Disney died.
Come on, Phil Collins did his best work for Disney
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I stopped watching Disney when Walt Disney died.
How about PIXAR...?
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How about PIXAR...?
Thats just a merger, I would not consider them Disney (although they own them). They still are a seperate studio yes?
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Sort of, but I noticed on the credits for "Bolt" (which was quite a good film) that the exec prod was John Lasseter... I believe that PIXAR is more than "owned" by Disney, more of a "backdoor" partnership, to keep then in the herd - a lot of "cross-polination" going on, too...
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Pixar was acquired outright by Disney, no question about it. This was after they had already partnered on some projects.
I have never seen a Pixar movie.
I haven't heard anything Phil Collins did for Disney. I will admit to having heard Phil Collins sing, but I try not to dwell on that.
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I'll help your memory, Dave,count with me, one, two, three, four, "sheeze an eezzee luva"! See, that didn't hurt too much, did it?
I know the Tarzan song Phil did too, want me to whistle it to you? ! - )
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No thanks. Can't you see, this is a land of confusion?
I just put on some old country music to cleanse Phil Collins from my memory. :P
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Just put on Junior Brown in my office here...music to do taxes by...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmtN7vCLsrg
:mrgreen: :o ??? :sad: :rolleyes: :puke: :bored:
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Sort of, but I noticed on the credits for "Bolt" (which was quite a good film) that the exec prod was John Lasseter... I believe that PIXAR is more than "owned" by Disney, more of a "backdoor" partnership, to keep then in the herd - a lot of "cross-polination" going on, too...
That is because Lasseter now Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation and Pixar. It was part of the deal when Pixar was bought. Lasseter is also Principle Creative Adviser to Walt Disney Imagineering which designs and builds the Disney theme parks. The deal also put President of Pixar Edwin Catmull as President of Walt Disney Animation Studios.
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Failure to research, yet again... I'll go stand in the corner... :sad:
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Avatar won Golden Globes for Best Movie & Best Director!! Coool
It's taken in 1.6 billion already tooo
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My wife and I went last night - really enjoyed it There was more plot than I expected, and it was a story well told. I didn't even get too bad a headache from the 3-D glasses.
I've never liked the way my eyes and brain respond to 3-D glasses. If 3-D TV catches on, I won't be buying one.
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I felt a little dissoriented after the movie, visually. My wife has a weak eye so 3-D view is difficult & gives her headaches. I could feel the eye strain till my eyes adjusted to it.
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I finally saw it and was thoroughly entertained.
It's a naive, seventies-style puristic eco fairytale, noble savages and all, and the similarities to Pochahontas (the Disney version) are in places to the point of plagiarism. But it does captivate you by sucking you into this lovingly created rainforest paradise. In places, watching the film is like looking at a very detailed huge painting and finding new things to marvel about with every new glance. Edith hates animation and is bored by any kind of SciFi or Fantasy film (unless her favorite hunk Keanu Reeves is in it!), I had to drag her to go, but she marvelled at the rainforest world throughout and whispered how beautiful it was.
With very few exceptions the 3D effects are used - dare I say it - tastefully and more to create an image of depth for the rainforest than for sheer surprise (Disney's Christman Carol was much more guilty of that). It didn't bother me, but I don't think it is what makes the film special, it's the work that has gone into the forest and animal animation. I liken the film to the first Jurassic Park which set standards at the time how dinosaurs have to look on the screen - the story was dumb, the T. Rex amazing.
There are cineastic nods to the past aplenty - the bad army grunt has a mug of coffee while the rainforest is napalmed to ashes, but he doesn't wear a cowboy hat like Robert Duval did in Apocalypse Now and doesn't comment on "the smell of napalm in the morning". Sigourney Weaver does her lesbian role model Ripley acting again with a good dose of her portrayal of Dian Fossey in Gorillas in the Mist thrown in. The robots and battleships quote Terminator and Star Wars, the rainforest predators the Alien monster or the Predator one, the planteaters the hammerhead shark pirate in Pirates of the Carribean etc. And anybody who saw Abyss will notice that Cameron's concept of underwater worlds isn't so much different from how he envisages a rainforest.
The plot? Utterly predictable with no surprise twists whatsoever, you can easily pick out the good, the bad and the not quite so bad ones which turn good after all. But it never turns so offensively bad to get in the way of the beauty of the pictures. In a way, this is a nature flic like Disney's classic The Living Desert.
Now all I need is a 10 foot woman with blue skin and a guttural accent! And a tail. (That was a big letdown, how neither their tail ends - his child audience in mind, Cameron obviously shunned away from using these for "neural connecting" because of the overtly sexual connotation - nor their plaited pigtails were used in the one and only very light sex scene - very similar to the one in Pochahontas - for some of that kinky neural networking they would otherwise do with trees, horses or their flight dragons!)
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I had to drag her to go, but she marveled at the rainforest world throughout and whispered how beautiful it was.
With very few exceptions the 3D effects are used - dare I say it - tastefully and more to create an image of depth for the rainforest than for sheer surprise (Disney's Christman Carol was much more guilty of that)
To me, that is what made the movie great. It reminded me of seeing Phantasia as a child-engulfed in this fantasy work that was so amazing.
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AVATAR has surpassed TITANIC! YES!!! Freakin' COOOOOoool
Cameron has been making documentaries of neon underwater depths & it shows in his gorgeous blacklight alien rainforest.
Glad you & your lady dug it, Uwe!!
The DVD is gonna break records too cuz of the addition of Neytiri's Na'vi nipples & the putting together of their tails in the extended sex scene. YARRRRrrr
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Nipples AND neural connecting?! Sounds like they are gonna call the DVD "Last Tango in Pandora"! Come hither, bluey ...
When I told Edith about RnB's helpful nipple news, she remarked dryly: "I had been wondering how the hell the Na'vi were gonna feed their infants, you know?"
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I stopped watching Disney when Walt Disney died.
I stopped watching Disney when I realised they mostly bought other peoples stories and claimed them as their own.
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Were you very disappointed when it turned out that Snowwhite & the Seven Dwarfs wasn't an original story?
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://affenknecht.com/images/videos/big/sonne-1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFZEBbRtwq8Cs-5hb3U-Erjj07scg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqEMuXGK08
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Avatarded (http://random-domain.com/browse.php?comicID=41) ;)
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(saw it again last night - ocd? ;D)
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Were you very disappointed when it turned out that Snowwhite & the Seven Dwarfs wasn't an original story?
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://affenknecht.com/images/videos/big/sonne-1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFZEBbRtwq8Cs-5hb3U-Erjj07scg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqEMuXGK08
Which um.. version are talking about here Uwe ;)
I guess having grown up being read The Brothers Grimm (German), Aesops Fables (Greek) and Hans Christian Andersen (Danish), Roald Dahl (Welsh) George Orwell (British India) all by a Swedish mother, I found that reading the "Disney-fied" version of some of these stories to my son left them a bit lame and suger coated.