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Title: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
 I can't say to much but I may have a part in getting Gibson to build a custom shop NR Thunderbird. This will be a limited run of 12 minimum. I can't stress to the parties involved that they get it right. Some basic questions. Should a II or a IV be built (I vote a II for ease of production and to keep the cost down, also a II can always be converted to a IV). Color they will all have to be the same. Of course the pick up has to be right (or should we ask for stock TB plus pickups and the install Lulls on our own) ? I have convinced them I can sell 12. Lets see where this goes.
Title: Re: Possible Gibson Custom Shop NR Thunderbird build whos interested?
Post by: eb2 on March 31, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
Amazing if it all works out.  I would vote for a custom color.  I am torn among Pelham blue, Cardinal red, Heather or Gold.  I would think these would be a tad flashier than sunburst, and if you are going to do a very limited run, then go custom color.  Plus if ageing is an option, you could green up the blue easy.

I would think that if they are only doing a dozen, then the price will be nosebleed section, so what would be the difference between two or one pup?  If I were going in hock, then I would go in hock for an extra pup.  They can't possibly jack it up that much, could they?

I would go for whatever pup as long as the holes and rings are right, (and it has a Dasson bridge).  They you could swap the pups for whatever later.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
I agree custom color is the way to go, me I like IIs so that's why I am pushing that  ;) but in reality it will most likely be a IV. Price? Some #s have been tossed around but I can't say anything just yet.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on March 31, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
Man, that's cool, Scott! I shudder to think what those 12 would go for though...
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on March 31, 2010, 11:19:46 AM


I'm listening......................  8)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on March 31, 2010, 11:31:58 AM
LOL, is Gibson doing a BaCH?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 31, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Interested, but it HAS to be reasonable, which is saying a lot for Gibson.

Custom color would be great, IV would be my choice, but I'd be open for either. I'd go with TB+'s to keep costs down. You'd get at least one sale from Uwe, one from Mark, one from you. So there's three right off the bat, almost guaranteed. Keep us informed Scott!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
The new Ripper list for $ 3600.00. Define reasonable?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on March 31, 2010, 11:57:22 AM


That's list tho........They listed my N.S.MkII at 2400.00 I paid 1800.00, regardless it's only money - I don't intend to be buried with what little of it I have so I'd rather spend it on something that makes me sproingky  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: bassvirtuoso on March 31, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
Retail: $1500.00-$2100.00

But then again, that's just me. I won't buy a new Ripper or Grabber because of the inflated prices of their "limited" run re-issues. Just doesn't seem worth it when they're more than the original, to me.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on March 31, 2010, 12:27:42 PM
In the Rippers case yes way to much there are plenty of vintage ones around, Not so with NRs.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: stiles72 on March 31, 2010, 12:44:50 PM
I would guess that to keep cost down, they would want to be a stock color such as black or cherry. Also using the existing TB+ pickup would allow them to use parts on hand. Same with the tuners. Either of which could be upgraded/swapped if you wanted to down the road.  If they could put out the set neck Studio Thunderbirds  a few years back for a reasonable price, they should be able to do the same with these.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on March 31, 2010, 01:18:32 PM
:popcorn:

(sitting on the sideline, thoroughly enjoying the show)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: saltymonkey on March 31, 2010, 01:29:23 PM
I'd definitely pony up for one too. Like Mark said, It's only money.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Hornisse on March 31, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
Back in 2005 or '06 we played a show at the local Gibson outlet here in Austin.  I told the rep then that a non reverse would sell.  Glad you were able to make them listen.  I won't buy one simply because Bach did it first and they are just fine by me and also very reasonable.  Gibson will probably put those cheesy tuners that they have on their SG, Ripper and Grabber reissue basses. 
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on March 31, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
Is it april 1st yet?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Aussie Mark on March 31, 2010, 03:55:39 PM
Is it april 1st yet?  :mrgreen:


+1
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on March 31, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
If they would just take the 4 string Studio bird and change the body and headstock to the NR style, I would buy one. If they put chrome pickups, vintage style (or Dasson) bridge and tailpiece, I would pay extra. The lightweight tuners are OK by me.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Deathshead on March 31, 2010, 04:34:26 PM
Gibson, please put in order for 12,000 bachs, add epiphone logo, sell like hotcakes, nuff said..
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Bionic-Joe on March 31, 2010, 05:09:19 PM
How about Kerry Green????? Or better yet...the custom colour of the * string Non Reverse I sold Mark....Tahiti Coral (Pale Orange)???
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: gweimer on March 31, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
I say Inverness Green.  Funny how Gibson seems to be the last to catch on to this idea.  Still, it's very cool.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on April 01, 2010, 05:12:13 AM
Is it april 1st yet?  :mrgreen:


You guys are a tough audience!  Scott and I are just eternal optimists!   :P
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on April 01, 2010, 05:31:06 AM
This would be so easy for Gibson. The question is which direction. They could build a NR Studio bass using the same hardware as the Studio basses but with NR body and head shape, and sell it in the same price range the Studio basses sold for, or they could build (as the thread title implies) a Custom or Vintage Original Spec model with original spec hardware and sell it at a considerably higher price.

Gibson knows how many Studio basses they sold, and they know how many vintage re-issue NR Firebirds were sold. They will no doubt consider the more profitable path.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 01, 2010, 05:34:35 AM
These will be Custom Shop models ordered by the House of Guitars. Gibson doesn't have to worry about selling them................................................ the HOG and I do.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2010, 05:52:48 AM
Is this now April 1 or serious?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 01, 2010, 06:44:30 AM
Serious no bs.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Lightyear on April 01, 2010, 07:08:16 AM
I think that 12 would move in a reasonable time.  Really, this won't be much work for Gibson - the body is 6/4 flat mahogany and it's a set neck.  They could easily take the Studio TB neck info and quicly modify the neck/body joint and headstock for the CNC.  The body will be even faster.  Make or break will be hardware and pickups.

The Studios sold for $1k and I can't see why, if these wen't into production, they would be more $1200.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on April 01, 2010, 07:35:59 AM
No BS!  I'll have photographic evidence of our visit with the reps.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 01, 2010, 07:46:24 AM
I think that 12 would move in a reasonable time.  Really, this won't be much work for Gibson - the body is 6/4 flat mahogany and it's a set neck.  They could easily take the Studio TB neck info and quicly modify the neck/body joint and headstock for the CNC.  The body will be even faster.  Make or break will be hardware and pickups.

The Studios sold for $1k and I can't see why, if these wen't into production, they would be more $1200.
It will be more than $1,200.00 They are not tooling up for a big run
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2010, 07:50:51 AM
I would like it string thru! Pups, I'm flexible, as with color. I'd be satisfied with something that is a modern version of the old spirit, it doesn't have to be slavish copy of all historic features.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on April 01, 2010, 08:09:15 AM
I would like it string thru! Pups, I'm flexible, as with color. I'd be satisfied with something that is a modern version of the old spirit, it doesn't have to be slavish copy of all historic features.

Slavish?  Yes! I want slavish, old-fashioned, hard core vintage!!!! But I'd probably settle for whatever they come up with.   :-\
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on April 01, 2010, 08:37:14 AM
Slavish is how I like my birds (and that works either way).  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: eb2 on April 01, 2010, 08:53:06 AM
Money being money for me, I would never buy one that wasn't a somewhat accurate reissue.  Gibson has polluted the market with inaccurate reissues for years, and lots of really nice and very close 59 Les Paul copies.  So, while a string through Studio bass would be amusing, I would never buy a NR with that, or Precision pickups, or a MM pup, or active electronics, or whatever other stuff proves more popular to the market these days.  I would only veer from vintage on a Dasson bridge to correct Gibson's original stupidity.

Knowing Gibson, doing only a dozen would be a perfect opportunity to do it really right, or for them to screw it up at the last minute.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2010, 09:00:55 AM
After having put a foot in my mouth already, I will now stay quiet. You guys toy with your vintage obsessions and whatever (1) you agree on and (ii) get poor Gibson to agree on, I will have one specimen of as well. With chrome or better still nickel hardware of course.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: bassvirtuoso on April 01, 2010, 09:12:06 AM
You guys both make good points. Being young still and dreaming about buying my first NEW Gibson for years now, it really brought a smile to my face when I was able to unbox Uwe's BFG Bass this month. Now I would love to do that again, but this time be able to keep one. With that in mind, I honestly don't care how they do the NR as long as it's somewhat accurate with the two-point bridge and *maybe* some chrome hardware. But when it comes down to it, I just want a Gibson that is resonable price-wise and that appeals to me.

My honest two cents: add a third pickup to the bass. Uwe's BFG is amazing with the three pups in there! Ask him! If they could do that on a lighter instrument coughThunderbirdcough, it would be amazing!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: gweimer on April 01, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
I would like it string thru! Pups, I'm flexible, as with color. I'd be satisfied with something that is a modern version of the old spirit, it doesn't have to be slavish copy of all historic features.

I'd go along with that.  Still, SOMEBODY took the lead and did a nice tobaccoburst finish.  Those are also pretty sharp.  I think a nice Royal Purple would be pretty cool, though.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Lightyear on April 01, 2010, 09:29:27 AM
It will be more than $1,200.00 They are not tooling up for a big run

Agreed.  Small run = $3K I'm thinking.

My point was that if they moved into production the original NR's were not any more complicated than the Studios were - i.e. no binding, dot inlay, set neck, flat body, standard HW, elcotronics etc
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 01, 2010, 10:35:26 AM
Anything from the Custom Shop can't be less than $ 3,000 street me thinks. But I'll gladly be surprised!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on April 01, 2010, 11:09:05 AM
These will be Custom Shop models ordered by the House of Guitars. Gibson doesn't have to worry about selling them................................................ the HOG and I do.

I'm in for one, as long as the price is not outragous.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Hornisse on April 01, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
It will probably have the smaller headstock as on the current T-Bird and probably the small tuners.  Would be nice if they could pull off a near accurate reissue though.  If there are a limited run of 25 the dealers will scoop them up and mark them up quick, so I think 3K is wishful thinking.  Remember the limited Rickenbacker 75th anniversary basses?  I tried to order one through my local dealer (who said he probably couldn't get one, but he did) and when it arrived the original $2200 price went out the window and he sold it for $4999.  I couldn't fault him for wanting to make $$.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 01, 2010, 04:37:10 PM
Both Bill and I expressed that if they want to sell these they need to make them a close as possible to the originals. I know that if they do small headstocks, different tuners, black hardware etc I have no interest, I only speak for myself. This is not a mass market bass (not that any Gibson is) if this comes to pass it will be a run of 25 being split between two stores.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on April 01, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
Both Bill and I expressed that if they want to sell these they need to make them a close as possible to the originals. I know that if they do small headstocks, different tuners, black hardware etc I have no interest, I only speak for myself. This is not a mass market bass (not that any Gibson is) if this comes to pass it will be a run of 25 being split between two stores.

No way I'll be able to afford one, but I agree that these have to be close to the originals or they might as well forget it. It will be a CS bass at a CS price, there's no reason for them to use standard tooling and modern features to produce it.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on April 02, 2010, 07:46:05 AM
Both Bill and I expressed that if they want to sell these they need to make them a close as possible to the originals. I know that if they do small headstocks, different tuners, black hardware etc I have no interest, I only speak for myself. This is not a mass market bass (not that any Gibson is) if this comes to pass it will be a run of 25 being split between two stores.

So, if they split the 25 between two stores (and I'm assuming you mean GC and SA) what is the chance that they won't cost $4000 and not be available to anyone OTHER than GC and SA with their markups? Just sayin'...

I mean, it's not like either of those two stores actually carry Gibby basses at all.  :P
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on April 02, 2010, 07:50:07 AM
So, if they split the 25 between two stores (and I'm assuming you mean GC and SA) what is the chance that they won't cost $4000 and not be available to anyone OTHER than GC and SA with their markups? Just sayin'...

I mean, it's not like either of those two stores actually carry Gibby basses at all.  :P

Well, I'd like to see them build 400 of them and sell them nationwide, but they don't have the vision for something like that.  We're just speculating right now, so we really don't know squat how this might work out, if at all!    :-\
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Lightyear on April 02, 2010, 08:44:39 AM
If the first batch are well received then they would be nuts not to do a larger run.

For 25 Gibson will most likely not hand cut any of the wood - it will be all CNC and once the kinks are worked out of the programming the hardest part is loading body and neck blanks.

Geez look at some the fugly geetars they churn out on limited runs :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on April 02, 2010, 10:57:27 AM
If the custom shop CNC'ed the CS NR Firebird body, no doubt they would use the program for the body shape. I would be surprised if they would spend the programming hours to do more than that for a short run. Just doesn't make economic sense.

The two stores would be House of Guitars and (hopefully) another larger independent dealer who could sell them, not GC or Sam Ash.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: rockinrayduke on April 02, 2010, 11:04:33 AM
Quote
sproingky

 :mrgreen: ;) ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on April 02, 2010, 01:03:30 PM


Ray,

 Thanks man.......... ;D

You're the best, Bro!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on April 20, 2010, 03:14:37 PM
     I think we would all LOVE an exact Gibson NR T-Bird built to the same standard as the Firebird Historics. Just like a real '67 but brand new. Stiffy, anyone??  Using the vintage correct two point bridge, tailpiece, tuners, and pickups. Offered in custom colors, the whole deal. And then, what the hell,they might as well make an accurate reverse body T-Bird as well!! The hardware and electronics are all interchangeable. I don't see where Gibson could forsee a return worthwhile after having to source all the original hardware all over again, especially 60's design pickups. And I would SHUDDER to think what they would want for one if they did it. If you can get it done, Bro, go for it. And if it was just a NR with the recent hardware....I wouldn't be a buyer for that bass, but that's just me.
     There is a guy on the Guitar Reranch forum that makes exact reverse 60's spec, neck thru Firebirds out of beautiful mahogany and he also did a T-Bird that the woodwork looked dead nuts on. Beautiful accurate work to 60's specs, all done on a CNC. I'm not sure if he would build just the body in NR and let us finish them using our own 60's hardware and electronics........I can contact him and see. His user name is DougK.   My two cents. Glad to be back posting again with you old Gibby-pluckers!   Tony
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Bionic-Joe on April 20, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
Glad to see you back!!!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 20, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
Nice to see you here Tony !
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on April 20, 2010, 10:29:29 PM
Tony, I remember someone linking to the guy from Reranch, he did great work. Is he doing it commercially now? Back then IIRC he was just doing it for himself.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on April 22, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
    He built that T-Bird for someone on the Reranch forum. He will build them for customers AFAIK. The figure I heard was $800 for a bare unfinished body, but don't quote me.  I didn't see it complete with hardware, but it looked KILLER. The neck thru laminations  weren't vintage correct, but I'm sure he could correct that. His reverse body Firebirds were dead nuts on.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 22, 2010, 03:10:58 PM
 "The neck thru laminations  weren't vintage correct, but I'm sure he could correct that."

You trainspotters!!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on April 23, 2010, 01:55:11 PM
    You, betcha!!  We don't miss a THING around here, do we?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on April 26, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
Here is the link for Doug Kauer Guitars. He doesn't have a T-Bird listed in his standard instruments, but he may build you one. http://www.kauerguitars.com/
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Low End Theorist on April 27, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Gibson should do 12 in the blue swirl finish that some of the CS NR Firebirds came in  ;D
With gold hardware!   :-*

How about T.V. White???
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Low End Theorist on April 27, 2010, 07:55:43 PM
Seriously though, I'm very happy with my BaCHbird.
Could a CS version REALLY be 5-6 times better than a BaCHbird?
The BaCHs can be customized to hell and still cost less than a CS version.

I have to admit that I do love my CS NR Firebird.  So much so, I'm going to sell my '67 NR.
I had to change out all of the gold hardware on the new one (not a fan of gold hardware) and hope to
have it refinished at some point (it's currently TV White).
Anyway... :bored:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on April 28, 2010, 04:28:04 AM
Quote
I have to admit that I do love my CS NR Firebird.  So much so, I'm going to sell my '67 NR.

All lies without pictures of these b
r
easts.
 ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on April 28, 2010, 11:30:43 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Low End Theorist on April 28, 2010, 11:28:46 PM
Darn it, now I gotta take photos.
Alright, alright, coming soon...
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 29, 2010, 03:44:15 AM
All lies without pictures of these breasts.
 ;)


John!!!!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 29, 2010, 03:55:20 AM
Actually, the current hardware of the Ripper II on a CS NR should keep you guys satisfied. Large chrome tuners (Grover) and three point bridge (no matter what you say, the most iconic Gibson bass bridge and easy to adjust if you're used to it). And if Seymour Duncan could do the Ripper II pups, then they could also wind and encase some vintage TB pups. Or as an alternative: The guitar size chrome TB Plus pups that saw service on LP Standards, Moneys, Epi Elitist TBirds, the EB-650 and the Grabber II, always acquitting themselves well.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 29, 2010, 04:16:37 AM
 The three point bridge sure it's easy to adjust..................................with a file  ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 29, 2010, 05:31:38 AM
But you're so handy with files and saws, Scott!  :-*
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on April 29, 2010, 07:50:06 AM
Or as an alternative: The guitar size chrome TB Plus pups that saw service on LP Standards, Moneys, Epi Elitist TBirds, the EB-650 and the Grabber II, always acquitting themselves well.

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5763/body3small.jpg)

Not the worst thing in the world, but still.....  :-\
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 29, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
You guys are living proof why ltd no reissues to exacting standards are a pain in the butt for a guitar company!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

As if - had it not so disastrously failed in the market - a Non Rev bass in continued production until today would not have seen developments and improvements over time.

There, I'll say it out loud: I think a modern day rev TBird is as faithful a current version of a bass from 1963 as you can be without being silly about it.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: eb2 on April 29, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
Ohh, you're just being silly!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on April 29, 2010, 09:53:59 AM
There, I'll say it out loud: I think a modern day rev TBird is as faithful a current version of a bass from 1963 as you can be without being silly about it.

I don't disagree with this statement, Uwe, but to think of all that black hardware as an update (or 'developments and improvements') after a production run of 23 years is just being silly.

Black hardware was all the rage. In 1989!  ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on April 29, 2010, 12:26:51 PM
I agree that it is time for a creative hardware rethink on the current birds and I don't mean just color which is largely irrelevant to me. They could use an overall facelift and - dare I say it  :-X - perhaps a little bevelling/scalloping near the upper register.

Don't tell Scott. Ever.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on April 29, 2010, 12:46:15 PM


Let's flog the dead horse...............

 It would look like this  ;D
It took *a little* effort on Mike's part to make those modern improvements.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/7CedarsMarch2010218of247.jpg)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on April 29, 2010, 12:46:21 PM
To late  ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on May 01, 2010, 09:21:30 AM
So? How's the project getting along? If they should do both II and a IV, I'd take one of each, preferably in different colors. That is NOT collecting for fins!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 01, 2010, 09:25:59 AM
Gibson gave it the thumbs up. As I understand it they are going to build a II available in Tobacco sunburst or vintage white. They were supposed to have pricing to us last week but nothing yet. I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 01, 2010, 10:30:11 AM


 A White II....................... Drool!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 01, 2010, 11:16:55 AM
I'm with you Mark a white II would be killer.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on May 01, 2010, 11:39:06 AM
Vintage white for our Eastern Winteroffensive, jawohl!!!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: saltymonkey on May 01, 2010, 11:52:20 AM

 A White II....................... Drool!

That would totally do it for me. A vintage white II with chrome hardware.........NR gas cured. At least I think so. Hope so. Maybe?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Freuds_Cat on May 04, 2010, 12:06:41 AM

Let's flog the dead horse...............

 It would look like this  ;D
It took *a little* effort on Mike's part to make those modern improvements.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/7CedarsMarch2010218of247.jpg)

Mark, what scale is that bird? It looks short. In fact even the body looks small or is that just the angle of the shot?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Stjofön Big on May 04, 2010, 01:34:52 AM
Mark, how tall are you, really? And if your feets are in line with the rest of you, what size do you draw? If the answer is what it should be, compared to the size of the Bird (and I mean the bass!): Where to get shoes?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on May 04, 2010, 02:48:49 AM
Mark is now doing that Britney thing ...  :o
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Freuds_Cat on May 04, 2010, 03:12:12 AM
What, shaving ze head and getting smashed and falling over in public?  I refuse to believe it! Mark has way more elegance than Brittney  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on May 04, 2010, 08:50:14 AM
And I'll bet if he went commando in that skirt he'd exit vehicles with a LOT more grace than that skank Britney!















I was going to just say I''d bet he wouldn't go commando, but it is Mark we're talking about...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 04, 2010, 09:26:10 AM

 Okay......My rep is at stake here  ;)


I always wear undies when I go out! In fact I make it a point to because well, at some point someone will see up my skirt weather I want them to or not - so I always wear some nice black frilly ones  ;D
As to my size, I'm 6"0" without shoes and can wear a size 8 dress, not bad for 51!
The Lull is deceptive here's a couple pics with a '76 plus a live shot for comparison.


If you look close you'll note a familiar tat on my upper left arm..............Comments welcome  ;D

If you check our "Post your music" thread you can hear this bass played thru my Traynor YBA 200 with the rest of The Nasty Habits covering "Paranoid"


(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/TECH062.jpg)


(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/TECH065.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/7CedarsMarch2010100of247.jpg)  
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 04, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
What's the scale length on your green 'Bird, Ma'am...?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 04, 2010, 03:00:26 PM


 For our favourite Hellcat lovin' Kenny  ;) 


According to Jules.......34 3/8" on '76s

Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2010, 11:20:26 AM
... so your Lull is...?

Looks an inch or two longer, or is that a trick of the lens...  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 05, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
... so your Lull is...?

Looks an inch or two longer, or is that a trick of the lens...  ;)


 Errmmmmmmmmmmm............ In Dutch Lull, describes a certain male organ -  ;)

The length of my Lull is not something that I'll share with you here, even tho I like you all, you just don't need to know that much about me  8)

 Re the bass, I haven't ever measured it's scale length, but I belive it to be the same as the Gibson, feels that way to me.

 
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2010, 11:46:33 AM
(there goes another cotffee stained keyboard...  ;D)

did anyone mention organ...?

http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/the-worlds-biggest-pipe-organ.html (http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/the-worlds-biggest-pipe-organ.html)

... and I could not resist this headline...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1175139/Royal-Dutch-Shell-predicts-lull-growth-profits-fall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1175139/Royal-Dutch-Shell-predicts-lull-growth-profits-fall.html)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: jumbodbassman on May 05, 2010, 01:28:17 PM
the stop piece on the lull sits further back on the body and it has an extra fret.   lull says 34 scale.  i think the gibsons were 34 1/2 inch.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 05, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Gibbies are 34 and 3/8"
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
The Peter Cook's 34"
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on May 05, 2010, 06:44:13 PM
Various long scale Gibsons were listed as 34 1/2" but (like most 24 3/4" Les Pauls) that includes estimated compensation. Several I've measured were all 34 1/8" uncompensated.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Hornisse on May 05, 2010, 07:18:23 PM

 Errmmmmmmmmmmm............ In Dutch Lull, describes a certain male organ -  ;)

The length of my Lull is not something that I'll share with you here, even tho I like you all, you just don't need to know that much about me  8)

 

You've got some large hands Mark.  You know what they say about large hands......
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: hollowbody on May 05, 2010, 08:12:50 PM
...large gloves??  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: jumbodbassman on May 12, 2010, 03:37:53 PM
is the custom shop under water too???   Let us know how this is progressing.  you can count me in if they are "reasonable"......

does your lull shrink in cold water??
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 12, 2010, 04:05:20 PM
does your lull shrink in cold water??


 Like a scared turtle  ;)




Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on May 12, 2010, 05:47:15 PM
According to Henry J's post on the My Les Paul forum, the custom shop was not flooded.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on May 13, 2010, 04:36:53 AM
I'm in if it's unreasonable too!!! : - )

A small rin CS reissue of a historic model would be really something.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 13, 2010, 05:29:09 AM
No figure yet, soon.................................I hope !
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on May 13, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
I don't expect any new runs will be a priority for Gibson under the circumstances. If the flooding delays their regular production too much, it wouldn't surprise me to see some of it shifted to the custom shop. Especially the more expensive production models.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 13, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Agreed Dave this is going to slow things down. Hope springs eternal!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on May 17, 2010, 07:25:07 PM
At this moment nothing coming out of Gibson till January.  :sad:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on May 17, 2010, 08:05:08 PM
That's not surprising. At least they have a target date, not just an indefinite suspension.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on May 18, 2010, 10:57:22 AM
I guess Lull basses will never be a big hit in Holland. The bassist of a befriended band played one for a while and he was continuously the aim of lots of jokes.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on May 18, 2010, 11:07:32 AM
I guess Lull basses will never be a big hit in Holland. The bassist of a befriended band played one for a while and he was continuously the aim of lots of jokes.  :mrgreen:

When I first read your post I swear to god I thought you'd written "beheaded band"!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on May 18, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 18, 2010, 12:15:16 PM
I guess Lull basses will never be a big hit in Holland. The bassist of a befriended band played one for a while and he was continuously the aim of lots of jokes.  :mrgreen:


We Amis often have similar thoughts about the Dutch and their dykes   ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on May 18, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
Yeah, there's a famous Dutch band called De Dijk. No big succes in the US, because of the name and the Dutch language songs...

'Our' experts helped to improve 'your' dykes in New Orleans after the flooding, btw ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on May 19, 2010, 01:26:15 AM
American dykes needed their holes filled.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: clankenstein on May 19, 2010, 01:55:31 AM
Quote
American dykes needed their holes filled.
chortle snicker .
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on May 19, 2010, 03:45:38 AM
Must we always hed here
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 06:37:37 AM
Hi ya'll doing!!
So this is where the Flock is hanging out!! Jan would be perfect for Tax time and I would be be very interested in one of these one-off's if it goes to production.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on May 19, 2010, 07:07:04 AM


 Hey Henry!

Welcome here, hang on, we get silly often  ;D
A passing fancy of WWII, Cars, Motorcylces and certain.........Eerrrrmmmmm. Well you'll see  ;) 
 

Thanks again for the tip on the Ibanez!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 07:37:10 AM
Thanks for the welcome Mark and I'm all about the fun,, Always looking for new places to hang with some cool peep's..
Anytime on the tip my friend,, Drop me a line when you get it and let me know how it is....
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on May 19, 2010, 10:10:30 AM
Hi Henry! Welcome aboard... Nice bird you got there!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 10:26:41 AM
Thank you for the warm welcome guy's! I like it around here already!
Quick shot of the flock for ya.
89 Orville, 67 NR Gibson in Kerry green, Mike Lull T-Bass and the Bach.
(http://www.jfhproductions.net/bird_007.jpg)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on May 19, 2010, 10:28:48 AM
Love the 67 in kerry Green.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: jumbodbassman on May 19, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
that green one is really sweet.  what is under the strings near the bridge???  Looks like foam -  to mute it up? 

The lull looks really sweet too.  is that a metalic color or is that the flash.    I am awaiting my bachbird.  Due to arrive at Rob's any day now.  How does it compare to the others constructiona and playing wise.  I read your other post about the sound and that seems to be the general opinion.  I am planning on getting a lull pup when it shows up and if i like it enough to go for 600+ on pickups.  i will have to compare it to my 76 bi  (staying with the dyke mode) and see if which way i want to go on the pups.  Pots and cap will help it but i will see.....

Jim
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
Thanks Jim,, Thanks for the reply in the other thread,, I'm going to do a little surgery on the Bach this weekend,, That thing under the strings is the stock Mute which is flipped over,, No muting here I want that badboy to ring forever!! lol
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 10:57:29 AM
Oh and Lull is just a sweetie and it's Ice Blue Mettalic. Real sweet color and one of a kind.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on May 19, 2010, 12:13:29 PM
Hey Henry, nice to see you again.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 19, 2010, 12:15:52 PM
Nicely bookended shot, H... I did a double-take at the colour of '67... Kenny green...? Welcome to the asylum...
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
Nice to be seen guy's,, Really enjoying your corner of the web here, You guy's have a nice place, I'm gonna kick my shoes off and hang here.. Oop's I meant Kerry Green lol.. My poor grammer follows me everywhere!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on May 19, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Welcome aboard! You will find a lot of Thunderbird fans here!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Funkster on May 19, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
Thanks again guy's and I'm very sorry for the thread Hijack ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on May 19, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
Nothing new round here... surprised it hasn't decended into depravity by now...  :o

(just where did I leave my WWII aircraft identity chart...?)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on May 19, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
Dunno, but the next time that B-17 comes around and the are offering rides, I'm there!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on June 26, 2010, 08:05:58 PM
When I was in the shop, the sales guy told me he has been talking with the factory and they think they can make the NR TB reissue we want in the main plant, not the CS.  If they do, it will cut the price almost in half!

He mentioned a 3-point bridge, so I think Scott needs to touch base and tell him no way!  I did already.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: sniper on June 26, 2010, 08:41:06 PM
FWIW Me thinks we need a Dasson bridge on that puppy!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on June 26, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
I think the Dasson is the logical choice but even the recent two piece LP bridge would be better than a three point.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on June 26, 2010, 08:56:19 PM
FWIW Me thinks we need a Dasson bridge on that puppy!

Me too.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 26, 2010, 09:25:08 PM
With all due respect to Scott, if the goal is to keep the cost in line, then you need to machine the hardware in house or be able to buy it at a price a manufacturer would pay.

Edited to clarify: the manufacturer's raw cost of a part is usually far less than the retail replacement cost. That markup is also usually reflected in the MSRP. At the price Scott needs to get just to break even on a small batch, that would work at custom shop prices, but not if you expect the retail to be a standard Gibson price levels.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on June 26, 2010, 10:36:27 PM
I was thinking that might be the issue, Dave. That's why I mentioned the two piece LP bridge, which Gibson already has (or had) in its supply chain. It would look a little different, but it would be more in keeping with the original. Then again, the three point has been part of the Thunderbird design since 1975, so I can see why Gibson would lean toward using it.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: sniper on June 26, 2010, 11:18:17 PM
the FWIW boat just sank!

seriously, a three point would not be that bad, but i would definately use a tailpiece along with the three point as i did on my Epi. the LP two piece would be great but that might also prove a bit expensive for Gibson. one can always hope.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on June 27, 2010, 02:34:29 AM
I could live with the LP 2 piece ala Warwick.  They retail for about $100.  I still prefer Scott's bridge.  I really don't want a 3 point.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 27, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
You guys: I'm the only one here that actually has an LP with the two point and tailpiece you are fantasizung about. Let me tell you: It's machined in a cheap way, the metal isn't great and it does not have the range to accomodate full intonation even when put slanted (which would look weird on a bird). It reminds me of the bridges of my Dean Flying V basses and those are not great bridges. Screws break off etc - that has never happened on any of my three points.

One day I will run a course here "adjusting ze three point to perfection". That can be done, I do it all the time and I haven't encountered one that I did not get to how I wanted it - at worst you need to file down a saddle slot a little deeper or switch saddles around.

An esthetic remark: To my eyes the trad two point with the stringholder looks a lot more crowded on a TBird than the three-point which - George is right - has been part of the TBrd visual for 35 years now.

I don't believe that Gibson would today use Warwick product anymore -too much of a competitor by now and with its guitar brand Framus and the budget line Rockbass which must have eaten heavily into Epi bass sales.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on June 27, 2010, 05:40:09 AM
I don't know exactly what Gibson is going to give us. The project has moved from the custom shop to a limited run. I can almost guarentee that the bass will have a TB plus pickup and a three point. I can't help but thinking those of us that own Bachs may be  greatly disappointed in Gibson's offering.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 27, 2010, 06:16:41 AM
The prevalent and epidemic  B&CHysteria of this forum at work again, sigh. The B&CHs are great basses - even more for the price -and have rejuvenated what many here believe to be an iconic shape, granted. But it's a bass with a non-hi-grade maho body (not even all of them have that) and a maple neck. And that is supposed to be better than a Gibson full hi-grade-maho model? If you believe that hardware finish, the era it pretends to come from and a non-plastic pup are all more important than the wood construction and composition of a bass, then you are probably right about that.

I wish I had a time machine. I'd draw a rank and file modern TBird off the rack at any guitar store, travel to a sixties Jethro Tull gig and ask Glenn Cornick whether he would play it. And after the gig ask him whether he would like to keep it in exchange for his sixties bird. I know what his answer would be. And since I would have betted against all of you prior to my time travel, I would come away stinking filthy rich.

Mount Rushmore is a place in the States, not in the Czech Republic. And whatever Gibson will put out, will be a Gibson, even if you chuck the TRC away.  
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: dadagoboi on June 27, 2010, 06:44:20 AM

Mount Rushmore is a place in the States, not in the Czech Republic. And whatever Gibson will put out, will be a Gibson, even if you chuck the TRC away. 

In my Geezer opinion Gibson hasn't really been Gibson since they were sold to Norlin Industries I don't know how many owners ago.  And real mahogany comes from the New World, not Africa, not Asia.  You can call it anything you want but you can't change what it is.

aahh... Sunday morning rant with another Ferrari F1 fiasco.  Nothing goes better with a double espresso.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on June 27, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
The prevalent and epidemic  B&CHysteria of this forum at work again, sigh. The B&CHs are great basses - even more for the price -and have rejuvenated what many here believe to be an iconic shape, granted. But it's a bass with a non-hi-grade maho body (not even all of them have that) and a maple neck.
The new series of the BaCHbird (Transparent Red and Dark Honeyburst) are full Mahogany (or Sipo?). No maple necks anymore Uwe.
Maybe you need another BaCHbird now you know it's not just the finish that's different?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 27, 2010, 06:42:03 PM
I would be amazed if the Bachs were genuine mahogany from Central or South America. I'm not even sure Gibson uses it.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: dadagoboi on June 28, 2010, 03:03:54 AM
I would be amazed if the Bachs were genuine mahogany from Central or South America. I'm not even sure Gibson uses it.

Basvarken is very upfront that it's sipo, not honduras on the Bachs.  As to Gibson, I would hope so on CS and over $2K stuff at least.  Lull, yes.

I believe the only new honduras available now is supposedly from fallen trees.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
We will run a contest once the Gibson Non Revs have arrived!

My B&CH plays beautifully and is nicely resonant. What is doesn't have is quite the fundamentals of my two sixties Non Revs, the B&CH is airier than the Gibsons which is a nice quality as well. I would expect a new Gibson Non Rev to sound deeper still, much like the new generation Rev Birds sound deeper than the sixties Birds and Bicentennials.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 07:36:39 AM
"Maybe you need another BaCHbird now you know it's not just the finish that's different? "

You fiendish Holländer!!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I'll buy the B&CH fretless five string/fretted 8-string that you are working on as your next project, ok? Even if it has maple necks (the eight string actually should!).
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 07:39:38 AM
"I believe the only new honduras available now is supposedly from fallen trees."

Once they're chopped they all fall!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: stiles72 on June 28, 2010, 07:50:22 AM
I had one of the red Bach TH-2's, and it definitely did not have a maho/sipo body. The neck was for sure - the grain pattern matched and the reddish / brownish color of the wood was clearly visible in the TRC screw holes. The body however, was different. All of the pickguard screw holes revealed a very yellowish/whitish wood. Same with the exposed areas inside of the control cavity. I even drilled an "exploratory" hole with a long and very small diameter bit in through the tail strap lock hole - and same result. My guess would be that it was basswood - as the dust removed matched most closely what I've seen in my Ibanez SR-800's.   Beautiful bass - but the body wasn't Mahogany.  If Gibson could put out an NR to match the build & quality of the Studio Birds - I'm in!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on June 28, 2010, 08:24:52 AM


I'll buy the B&CH fretless


Something like this?



Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 08:28:25 AM
That is what the Non Rev Birds would most likely sound a lot like: The meanwhile deleted Rev Studio Birds. Those were fine basses - bit more thud than a neck-thru TBird - and aggressively priced (for Gibson), but much to my surprise tanked in the market.

People tend to forget that the Non Revs so worshipped here today were in fact a cost-saving measure by Gibson trying to get away from the more-expensive-to-craft and wood-wasteful neck-thru concept of the original Ray Dietrich concept.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 08:29:51 AM

Something like this?

(http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3731.0;attach=967;image)





Purdy.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on June 28, 2010, 08:36:29 AM
That is what the Non Rev Birds would most likely sound a lot like: The meanwhile deleted Rev Studio Birds. Those were fine basses - bit more thud than a neck-thru TBird - and aggressively priced (for Gibson), but much to my surprise tanked in the market.

People tend to forget that the Non Revs so worshipped here today were in fact a cost-saving measure by Gibson trying to get away from the more-expensive-to-craft and wood-wasteful neck-thru concept of the original Ray Dietrich concept.

I always read that the NR was the result of complaints and (maybe) a lawsuit filed by Fender against Gibson claiming the reverse Thunderbirds were too similar to their products. You know much more than I do, but if either is true, how much weight did that carry in causing Gibson to design the NR?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
That thing is covered in myth and lore and whether it was ever really a serious dispute ... IIRC Fender thought the four-tuners-in-row too close for comfort and recognized the shape of the Rev as its Jaguar/Jazzmaster turned upside down plus Gibson's sudden change on a bass to Fender type long scale. But none of that was changed with the Non Revs, if anything they were even more Fenderesque and a set neck is closer to a bolt-on than a neck thru is to a bolt-on.

The original reverse Fire- and TBirds were upmarket creations for mature serious players of jazz, not that fleeting pop or rock thing. They were priced accordingly - more expensive than any other Gibson or Fender stringed electric instrument -, but it was still soon realized that the neck-thru construction was a real cost item.When the Fire-/Thunderbird line failed to set the world on fire, Gibson gave it a facelift (or faceturn!) and cut the etravagant neck-thru in the process. But then the Non Revs did even worse.

I'll say it again: The Rev is a design classic and icon with a touch of Art Deco, the Non-Rev an accidental ugly duckling with a cult following (among bassists, in guitar circles it does not meet the worship it does here). Ask any non-guitar or non-bass player whether they prefer the Rev or the Non Rev shape and you'll always get the same answer. Not for the Non Rev. Nobody (except the knowing who appreciate their rarity) has ever said that my Non Revs look good, with my Revs I hear that all the time, the chick singer in my band insists that I play only them.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on June 28, 2010, 10:32:54 AM
It's hell being a member of a cult!!!  We don't get any respect!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on June 28, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
I'll say it again: The Rev is a design classic and icon with a touch of Art Deco, the Non-Rev an accidental ugly duckling with a cult following (among bassists, in guitar circles it does not meet the worship it does here).

I've said this here before as well, and it still makes me laugh...

In the early 80's, 70's Thunderbirds were going for between $450 and $500 all day long. I saw a Non Reverse bird sit in the Recycler (think Craigslist free Classifieds in newspaper form) for week after week and never move. It's price? $150. Nobody wanted a non reverse Thunderbird. Including me. Things sure have changed!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on June 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
If they do a modern version, it could be cool, similar to the three pickup LP not long ago.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: jumbodbassman on June 28, 2010, 11:11:36 AM
I had one of the red Bach TH-2's, and it definitely did not have a maho/sipo body. The neck was for sure - the grain pattern matched and the reddish / brownish color of the wood was clearly visible in the TRC screw holes. The body however, was different. All of the pickguard screw holes revealed a very yellowish/whitish wood. Same with the exposed areas inside of the control cavity. I even drilled an "exploratory" hole with a long and very small diameter bit in through the tail strap lock hole - and same result. My guess would be that it was basswood - as the dust removed matched most closely what I've seen in my Ibanez SR-800's.   Beautiful bass - but the body wasn't Mahogany.  If Gibson could put out an NR to match the build & quality of the Studio Birds - I'm in!

i drilled my TH-1 over the weekend for a new strap lock hole and i agree.  a very light colored and very soft wood.  drill bit went in so easy i almost thought it felt like a hollow spot except where it was (dovetail) i knew better.  but the grain doesn't look like basswood either.  acoustically it is a little more resonant than my bicentenial bird.  Whatever it is once i get a case that fits i will give it the real  "with a band"  test...  IMHO a great bass for the money.  can't wait for the lull pup.  weren't the early birds laminates.  Maybe this one is also??
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on June 28, 2010, 11:29:23 AM
 I have always said the Non reverse was a happy accident. For whatever reason Gibson changed the construction and shape weather Fender sued or not doesn't make any difference. In the 60's manufacturers in many respects viewed the electric guitar (and bass) a fad, their goal was to produce and sell product and cash in as long as the trend lasted. The Nonreverse is clearly a example of that mind set. For years I had them all to myself oh for the good old days.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 28, 2010, 11:35:36 AM
Excuse my ignorance here - thru or set neck...?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on June 28, 2010, 11:55:25 AM

Excuse my ignorance here - thru or set neck...?

Set.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: gweimer on June 28, 2010, 12:31:29 PM
My first real bass was a '66 NR Thunderbird II that cost me something like $350 back in the mid '70s.  The reverse style was more than double that.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 28, 2010, 01:26:52 PM

I believe the only new honduras available now is supposedly from fallen trees.


That's true of Honduras mahogany from Honduras and just about anywhere in Central America, has been that way for years. But that's just the popular name to differentiate it from Cuban mahogany. The species is actually bigleaf mahogany and it grows well down into South America. I'm told by a hardwood dealer that most Honduran on the market for the past 15 years has actually been from S. America and that there's still plenty of old-growth logging going on in Peru.

OTOH it's now being grown on plantations in Fiji and India. This is now working its way into the market. For that matter, some Cuban mahogany is also grown in Fiji. These are "genuine mahogany" species. They're probably fine for furniture, and they may be fine for musical instruments. But there's no way plantation-grown wood could possibly have all the same characteristics of old growth wood from the original area half a world away. Different soils, climate etc.

Too bad Gibson can't be straightforward about exactly what they're using and from where. Even the custom shop offerings just say mahogany. Makes me suspicious.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on June 28, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
That's true of Honduras mahogany from Honduras and just about anywhere in Central America, has been that way for years. But that's just the popular name to differentiate it from Cuban mahogany. The species is actually bigleaf mahogany and it grows well down into South America. I'm told by a hardwood dealer that most Honduran on the market for the past 15 years has actually been from S. America and that there's still plenty of old-growth logging going on in Peru.

OTOH it's now being grown on plantations in Fiji and India. This is now working its way into the market. For that matter, some Cuban mahogany is also grown in Fiji. These are "genuine mahogany" species. They're probably fine for furniture, and they may be fine for musical instruments. But there's no way plantation-grown wood could possibly have all the same characteristics of old growth wood from the original area half a world away. Different soils, climate etc.

Too bad Gibson can't be straightforward about exactly what they're using and from where. Even the custom shop offerings just say mahogany. Makes me suspicious.

I would think weight would be the giveaway. Honduran is heavier, not much grain, Indonesian is light weight a very soft with more grain pattern, that I  have seen. I guess there are always exceptions. My local hardwood place has a Honduran Mahogany bin they regularly stock.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 28, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
I would think weight would be the giveaway. Honduran is heavier, not much grain, Indonesian is light weight a very soft with more grain pattern, that I  have seen. I guess there are always exceptions. My local hardwood place has a Honduran Mahogany bin they regularly stock.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. The plantation grown stuff is being sold as Honduras mahogany, which it technically is. Not to be confused with other SE Asian mahogany-looking substitutes.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on June 28, 2010, 03:45:16 PM
For years I had them all to myself oh for the good old days.

You think that only because you didn't know me back then. I bought my much used and many times broken NR for $90.00 in 1969, and it was one-owner and unbroken back then   ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
Many times broken?! You klutz!!!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on June 28, 2010, 06:53:36 PM
The first time was because I wasn't smart enough to use a stand. The second, third and fourth times was because a guy named Gene Liberty didn't know how to fix it. The fifth time the case was standing on edge when I accdently walked into it, knocking it over. The sixth time I set it down on stage forgetting I still had the wireless transmitter on my belt; it fell into the amp rack putting some nice gouges in addition to the headstock break. The last time it just came apart in the case. I just put it back together tonight.

OK! I am a klutz.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on June 28, 2010, 08:56:29 PM
The first time was because I wasn't smart enough to use a stand. The second, third and fourth times was because a guy named Gene Liberty didn't know how to fix it. The fifth time the case was standing on edge when I accdently walked into it, knocking it over. The sixth time I set it down on stage forgetting I still had the wireless transmitter on my belt; it fell into the amp rack putting some nice gouges in addition to the headstock break. The last time it just came apart in the case. I just put it back together tonight.

OK! I am a klutz.



 WoW! Poor old thing.


I can say I've fallen over backwards onstage with my purple 'Bird, the back of the headstock clipped part of the drumkit on the way and I thought to myself aww s**t there it goes! Somehow I managed to land on my ass without breaking that bass................
 



Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 02:00:46 AM
"Somehow I managed to land on my ass without breaking that bass................"
 
Might have been personal experience in bringing things into position. The bass I mean, what else. :-X
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: dadagoboi on June 29, 2010, 08:45:24 AM
4:1 ... errrm ... 4:1 (+1)! Now for Argentina ...

Argentina?  whaddayuh a Blue Meanie?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on June 29, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
This is how the Germans win their matches...   :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3fMJ40fF0k

Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 09:09:09 AM
I see nozzing!!!

A perfect non-goal, so obvious.

Uruguay is a nice country, good people live there, some have even German roots.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 29, 2010, 09:11:11 AM
There were loadsa flags on cars/trucks/buses/taxis/vans a few days ago...

Pretty much nowhere to be seen on Monday...

A couple of members of the squad were photographed in a nightclub, partying the night away, post match...

That has not gone down well with the English supporters (poor little dears...)  ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/spitfire11.jpg)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 29, 2010, 09:22:08 AM
To paraphrase a quote from a British sportswriter years ago, it's not surprising that Germany would defeat Britain at its national game, since Britain defeated Germany at its national game in 1918 and 1945.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 29, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
The downed Spitfire is probably unnecessary cruelty... :o

Dave's reminder of 1918 and 1945 probably meets the same criteria... ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on June 29, 2010, 09:32:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j20voPS0gI
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 09:57:17 AM
It's in our genes, we just can't help blitzing die Engländer ...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on June 29, 2010, 10:06:02 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/spitfire11.jpg)


  ;D

Hellcat?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 10:17:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXy4F4ytFBU

Bit like a Focke-Wulf Geschwader having target practice with a Defiant Squadron.  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on June 29, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5hXJnXQ-8M
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on June 29, 2010, 10:28:28 AM
To paraphrase a quote from a British sportswriter years ago, it's not surprising that Germany would defeat Britain at its national game, since Britain defeated Germany at its national game in 1918 and 1945.

Now that is funny!

Uwe: Wot iz züppösed to be funny here?    :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 29, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
Hellcat?

Don't start...  :P
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 29, 2010, 11:30:20 AM
I guess when flown by the RAF even Hellcats wouldn't have stood ... let's not go there!

That Spitfire probably only ran out of gas after having downed four German fighters in an assault frenzy.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2010, 08:39:04 AM
Was there any back-info where you found that pic...? after all, she got down intact, and in those days, "Any landing you can walk away from..."  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on June 30, 2010, 09:56:43 AM
I found that pic long ago, no info. She certainly still looks good, I see no bullet holes - a crash landing as opposed to a crash. The countryside looks suitably British.

Possibly, the RAF pilot was just late for tea time and took a shortcut.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2010, 10:58:03 AM
Damn-it Sah...! your extracting the urine about a British institution...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKYL0tW-Ek

Take that you bounder...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQkcP0olmQY
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on July 01, 2010, 04:42:13 AM
I found that pic long ago, no info. She certainly still looks good, I see no bullet holes - a crash landing as opposed to a crash. The countryside looks suitably British.

Possibly, the RAF pilot was just late for tea time and took a shortcut.
Or forgot to lower the gear. ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on July 01, 2010, 07:09:10 AM
Lucas Electronics, say no more.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on July 01, 2010, 10:34:12 AM
Nudge nudge, wink wink, knowwhutImean?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: dadagoboi on July 01, 2010, 11:08:16 AM
Why do Brits drink warm beer?  Lucas refrigerators.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 01, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
The English (and Germans) are the beer drinkers (which just doe not taste the same chilled - you lot - my USofA bretheren - just don't drink the same stuff, all that chilled gassy muck... :vader:), now the Scot's drink malt whisky, and none of that blended muck, either...

At least there are some decent American bourbons... ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on July 01, 2010, 12:48:23 PM

 Beer.........We have good stuff here in the Provinces too Kenny, But this girl's liver like the Vodka and Gin quite a a bit more  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: dadagoboi on July 01, 2010, 01:00:00 PM
As the former owner of many Triumphs, Austin Healeys and MG's I bow down to John Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. 
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 01, 2010, 02:30:03 PM
Must be the hint of Redneck in your soul, Dada... ;)

Ma'am... as you may know, Germany is famous for their Lager-biers, but the dark-biers (sorry Uwe, don't know name, been a long time) are something else... When we were in KY (my family, not the jelly), Jackie's late uncle uncorked a bottle of THE... GOOD... STUFF...  I swear it was as good as some of the finest malt whiskies I've ever tasted - just crystal clear... Unfortunately for my drinking possibilities, they lived in a dry county... and as for your drinking capabilities, I'm not sure I would survive one of your parties, intact... ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on July 01, 2010, 02:39:48 PM


 If I awake hugging a phone pole with my undies around my ankles surrounded by half-eaten fried chicken............ It's been a good night  ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Lightyear on July 01, 2010, 06:54:45 PM
HOLY CRAP!!! ;D  Now I have that vision burned into my mind and it will not go away!  Geez, and I really liked fried chicken ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Freuds_Cat on July 01, 2010, 08:32:13 PM

 If I awake hugging a phone pole with my undies around my ankles surrounded by half-eaten fried chicken............ It's been a good night  ;)

That tied into the Robert G Barratt book that I just finished reading in a most disturbing manner  ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on July 01, 2010, 09:17:46 PM

 If I awake hugging a phone pole with my undies around my ankles surrounded by half-eaten fried chicken............ It's been a good night  ;)

And there you have the vision for the cover of the next CD from The Nasty Habits!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Denis on July 02, 2010, 04:25:25 AM
HOLY CRAP!!! ;D  Now I have that vision burned into my mind and it will not go away!  Geez, and I really liked fried chicken ;)

I need some brain bleach!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: drbassman on July 02, 2010, 04:55:19 AM
Thank God Lucas didn't make wiring for US cars!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 02, 2010, 12:21:27 PM
Could you imagine ghosting a book of Mark's life story...

Nasty Habits... the life and times of a BAD girl... ;)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on July 02, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
Could you imagine ghosting a book of Mark's life story...

Nasty Habits... the life and times of a BAD girl... ;)

Subtitled: "Birds, trains, poles, and fried chicken!"
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on July 02, 2010, 03:43:46 PM


 Aww.... come on now.



Just havin' some fun.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 03, 2010, 05:39:29 AM
"Just havin' some fun..."
The Life and Times of a BAD Girl...

Buy it at all good bookstores now (PARENTAL ADVISORY)
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Lightyear on July 03, 2010, 08:13:53 AM
Since first reading the Fraulien's post I can't pass a KFC with out having that image pop back into my head ;D 
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on July 03, 2010, 02:37:54 PM
Since first reading the Fraulien's post I can't pass a KFC with out having that image pop back into my head ;D 


 That stuff's bad for ya anyway Buzz, no oily boily bird parts cloggin' yer arteries!  ;)   
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on July 03, 2010, 02:44:18 PM
 I can not wait till there is some news from Gibson, if only to talk of something other than KFC. ;D
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 04, 2010, 02:35:53 AM
Married to a Kentuckian, and being veggie, I'm on thin ice, too... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on July 04, 2010, 05:38:02 AM
If those NR RIs ever come out they'll be fingerlickin' good!
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on July 04, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
If those NR RIs ever come out they'll be fingerlickin' good!

Then there's the rumor (disputed by some) that Jaco Pastorius would eat greasy chicken before playing and get the strings greasy on purpose.

Maybe a Gibson/KFC tie-in would reduce the cost. A likeness of the Colonel on the pickguard. I'm sure our veggie friends will go for that.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on July 04, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
 :puke:

(you can go off people, ya know... ;))
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on July 04, 2010, 05:14:45 PM
Then there's the rumor (disputed by some) that Jaco Pastorius would eat greasy chicken before playing and get the strings greasy on purpose.

Maybe a Gibson/KFC tie-in would reduce the cost. A likeness of the Colonel on the pickguard. I'm sure our veggie friends will go for that.
Steven Stills said the exact same thing about eating fried chicken and playing bass.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on July 05, 2010, 03:51:17 AM
The Colonelbird, playable only with a KFC bucket on your head.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on July 05, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss252/damageplan_dbag/buckethead.jpg)

It would probably be a single cut model though (rather than a bird)...
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on July 05, 2010, 07:59:54 AM
The Colonelbird, playable only with a KFC bucket on your head.

Or the Full Bird Colonel model.


(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss252/damageplan_dbag/buckethead.jpg)

It would probably be a single cut model though (rather than a bird)...

I'll bet his playing is tasty.
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: vates on June 08, 2011, 03:11:53 AM
Any news?
Title: Re: Gibson CS NR Thunderbird
Post by: Barklessdog on June 08, 2011, 04:15:46 AM
Quote
I'll bet his playing is tasty.

Oh it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3TT0E0uwU&feature=related

Finger lickin' good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMYnl22cqGU&feature=related