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Title: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: uwe on November 23, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
Ah, Detroit's manliest of guitarists and professed "real conservationist" is chicken-shit that a few wolves might make it harder for him to gun down cloven-hoofed game he has bait-fed before ...

https://youtu.be/7yh5tkRdS2U

What a friggin' hypocrite. I think I'll have to burn my Ted Nugent collection. Or feed it to a wolf pack ...

Wolves have returned even to the woods where I live (they repopulate naturally in Germany - coming from the East where they were never quite extinct - and are a protected species though that might change as they become more prevalent in the future), yet they haven't kept me from going out or riding my bicycle through the woods at night. A little virus has been more invasive in my personal life ...  :)

I don't think that wolves are cute little puppies, nor do I think that individual animals might not need to be shot in some cases, I'm not even against hunting per se, but if you get a hunter to speak freely - and I know a few - the argument against competing predators is always the same: they spook the game, make it harder for us to hunt and ruin our bags. Very conservationist.  :-X
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: TBird1958 on November 23, 2020, 06:42:19 PM

 I have a serious dislike for that ass-clown........I'll leave it there.







He needs to shoot off his own wango tango with a hunting bow.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Pilgrim on November 23, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
This was an issue in Colorado during the recent election. There was a very narrowly successful vote to task the CO State Dept. of Parks & Wildlife with reintroducing grey wolves.  There are also stories of wolves coming into Colorado from the Yellowstone area, which made the discussion more complex.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/11/colorado-approves-gray-wolf-reintroduction/ 

Ranchers and farmers are pretty unified against the measure. There financial reimbursements for them to compensate for the value of lost livestock. I'm sure this will be the subject of much debate as it goes forward.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: uwe on November 23, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Same discussion here in Germany, mainly sheep und goats, also government reimbursement payments. But the number of sheep and goats run over by cars or dying of various livestock diseases is 10x greater in one year than all the sheep and goats killed by predators in Germany since the return of the first wolves circa 20 years ago.

No doubt, a wolf can wreak havoc among a herd of sheep. But bloodbaths happen rarely.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Granny Gremlin on November 24, 2020, 07:50:48 AM
Yep - wolves don't kill what they can't eat.

We don't have wolves in Southern Ontario anymore, gotta head a couple hours north for that, (about where the bears also start) but we do have coyotes creeping back in via the ravine systems, as well as hybrids (coyote-dog). 1 particular affluent neighborhood was up in arms about it after a toy dog was taken by one.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: gearHed289 on November 24, 2020, 08:40:35 AM
Even as a stoned teenager, I felt like the Nuge had lost his mind around the time of Wango Tango. He's now a full-blown, hypocritical nut job. 

I'm about 10 minutes from O'Hare airport, and 15 from the Chicago border, and we have coyotes in my neighborhood. I virtually never see any, and i go running in the early morning a coupe of times a week. There have also been feral cats regularly living in the hood, which says to me that the coyotes aren't that much of a hazard to pets (We don't let ours wander off though). Along with hawks, they keep the rabbits in check!
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Highlander on November 24, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
There is still some talk about a re-introduction of wolves or a "big" cat in the Scottish Highlands to "control" the red deer population...
But considering the rather odd disappearance of eagles on some "estate" lands...
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Pilgrim on November 24, 2020, 03:06:24 PM
Next to the foothills of the Rockies, we have our share of wildlife. There were two white tail deer hanging out in the back yard this morning.  Within the last month we had a small bear wandering around in the neighborhood. When you go hiking in the foothills, you keep an eye out not only for snakes, but for cougars (not my fellow alums, the big cats). Fort Collins lost one small kid to them over the last decade, and had some close calls with adults. Of course, coyotes are darn near everywhere. Those guys are primo survivors.

Colorado is doing a lot of building into formerly undeveloped areas, and naturally as we reduce the room for habitat, we're getting new neighbors.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: morrow on November 24, 2020, 05:09:25 PM
Nova Scotia ! When you fly over you realize it's mostly woods . And despite living in the burbs of Halifax in an older area we have deer around all the time . I've seen foxes in the neighbourhood , and coyotes have been seen not too far away . A friend just outside of town lost her dog to coyotes .
Another friend cranged up his car hitting a bear on the highway .
There's apparently quite of great white sharks swimming around the place .
And now I'm worried about getting bitten on the balls by a flea ...
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: amptech on November 25, 2020, 01:02:41 AM
No doubt, a wolf can wreak havoc among a herd of sheep. But bloodbaths happen rarely.

Here in the north, we see bloodbaths quite often - at least on TV. I'm not into politics, but  the wolf debate here is more polarized than any political stuff. Not unusual to see a pile of sheep taken by wolf on tv. The sheep farmers seem to play the 'we were here first' card, but I can't really see how we can't live with a few wild animals. We have recently seen an invasion of wild board coming from Sweden, but there is no debate because they 'dont belong here' and the local politicians suggest we shoot them all down. They're not cute or mystic like the wolf so I guess people don't give a damn about them.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Rob on November 25, 2020, 04:56:53 AM
Here in Central Florida besides snakes and alligators, there are wild boar, bobcats and bear.  That's within 5 miles of Disney.  Who was here first?  Really not a question. . . Ted is a narcissist first and foremost.
I agree with Tbird!
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Granny Gremlin on November 25, 2020, 08:29:57 AM
We have recently seen an invasion of wild board coming from Sweden, but there is no debate because they 'dont belong here' and the local politicians suggest we shoot them all down. They're not cute or mystic like the wolf so I guess people don't give a damn about them.

But (also unlike wolves) they're so tasty!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/8d/82/2f8d82b5dde3309452b6979af7286696.jpg)
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: TBird1958 on November 25, 2020, 12:28:49 PM


 I've had Wild Boar, it is quite tasty! Would have been a good, non-traditional Thanksgiving meal choice but we opted for something German, Sauerbraten. 
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: uwe on November 25, 2020, 06:35:15 PM
Wild boars can become a pest quickly - they don't have natural enemies, even a wolf would have to be starved to go after one and risk its own furry life. With the Corona lockdown and people staying home, they're even been seen strolling around in big cities or wreaking havoc in town gardens. They're smart animals with a sophisticated social life in their groups, but too much is too much. And they do taste well.

Personally, I think that your problem with invasive European wild boar is only fair given that you infested us with racoons and muskrats!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Pilgrim on November 25, 2020, 09:26:49 PM
In Texas wild boars are both common and dangerous. The last place we lived there was at the end of a cul-de-sac with about 2 acres of woods behind it. Another neighbor on that cul-de-sac trapped a 200+ pound wild boar in those woods, and there were reported a few close to 300 pounds.

No one messes with a wild boar that big, and there is no "benevolent and protective society" for wild boars in Texas. They just shoot 'em.

I confess that if I lived in a neighborhood where small dogs had been taken by coyotes, (which is the case in some of the new developments in CO bordering prairies) while I was out walking I would be very tempted to have a .22 magnum on my person even if I was inside the city limits.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Dave W on November 25, 2020, 11:19:06 PM
https://youtu.be/3QLWhrACWUU
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: amptech on November 25, 2020, 11:41:26 PM
But (also unlike wolves) they're so tasty!


I know, love them! If I ever in my lifetime come near a weapon they are the first to go :P
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Highlander on November 26, 2020, 03:57:09 PM
Crossing another thread here, I remember in the sleeve notes for Damn Yankees, a certain motormouth making a comment, "And all the squirrel you can eat (not sorry Tommy)..."  :o
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: uwe on November 26, 2020, 05:40:29 PM
All threads here end in rodents or Ritchie.

Mostly at least, the default culmination seems to be anal sex.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Dave W on November 26, 2020, 11:21:31 PM
All threads here end in rodents or Ritchie.

Mostly at least, the default culmination seems to be anal sex.

You're forgetting Gwyneth. Or us she covered under anal sex?
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: doombass on November 27, 2020, 02:15:27 AM
You're forgetting Gwyneth. Or us she covered under anal sex?

Gwyneth is covered under anything and everything. She's universal.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: westen44 on November 27, 2020, 02:47:45 AM
I've got a friend who is pretty much smitten with her. 
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: uwe on November 27, 2020, 05:22:05 AM
She has enduring appeal to older men, so I've heard. Often the more grumpy type.

(https://images.dailykos.com/images/315954/large/donaldtrumpisadinosaur.jpg?1477157913)
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: westen44 on November 27, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
My friend has a real thing for blondes.  For the most part I never cared all that much about blondes, usually being way more interested in brunettes and redheads, especially the latter.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Dave W on November 28, 2020, 07:16:44 AM
She has enduring appeal to older men, so I've heard. Often the more grumpy type.

(https://images.dailykos.com/images/315954/large/donaldtrumpisadinosaur.jpg?1477157913)

Nope. Grumpy, yes, but she doesn't appeal to me.

(https://i.imgur.com/JfYcL5l.gif)
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Highlander on November 29, 2020, 05:28:13 AM
I just remembered, he did a Hammersmith Odeon gig for the charity World Wildlife Fund, even going as far as having it emblazoned on the T's... might still have it... didn't make much sense at the time... perhaps he wanted to promote animal conservation so he could shoot them at a later date... :o
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: westen44 on November 29, 2020, 06:44:30 AM
I must say I never much kept up with hardly anything Ted Nugent did even during his so-called heyday.  Was he ever really that famous?  Or maybe I'm even more out of touch than I realized.  I've never been around one person in real life who was ever one of his fans.  I don't think he was ever as famous in the South as he must have been in other places.  I've heard of Journey to the Center of the Mind by the Amboy Dukes.  Later I heard people talk just a little about Damn Yankees.  But I wouldn't even be able to name one song by them.  Nobody I was ever around ever cared much about any of this stuff.  It was barely on anyone's radar when all this was happening.  Once again, though, maybe I was just really out of touch.  I will say, however, that the brief glimpses I caught of him gave me the impression that he had an extremely goofy on-stage persona.  I wasn't interested, regardless of how talented he might have been.  Plus, what little I did hear of the music didn't much get my attention anyway.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: amptech on November 29, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Same here, that journey to the center tune is the only Nugent related song I have. Never heard of him or anyone who listened
to his music while growing up in Norway. I recall seeing the name on a '50 best guitarists' list or something like that in a magazine,
other than that I only relate the name to a Chevy Chase movie.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Highlander on November 30, 2020, 07:39:22 AM
The era that encompassed the two Discreet LPs and the first two, maybe three, Epic LP's were exceptionally good rock material that should not be ignored... and one later LP that was pretty good... the later stuff is just a re-hash... the earlier stuff is a bit "of it's time"...

Call of the Wild, Tooth Fang and Claw, Ted Nugent, Free For All, and Cat Scratch Fever (most of) ... and the later "Nugent"...

Curiously enough, this is mostly the Rob Grange on the bass era...
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Post by: westen44 on November 30, 2020, 09:42:02 AM
I had completely forgotten about "Cat Scratch Fever."  They used to play that on the radio.  As for the album that was on, I'm not sure if I heard any of the other songs, but maybe one.  This music wasn't registering with me much.  I could take it or leave it.  Also, now that I look back at it, I think I've heard of "Tooth, Fang & Claw."  But looking at the time frame, I only had time to focus on music I already knew I liked.  No free time at all to explore. 
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Post by: TBird1958 on November 30, 2020, 09:43:01 AM
 The only album of his that I can say I like is "Ted Nugent" "Hey Baby" "Stranglehold" "Snakeskin Cowboys" etc., pretty decent but I give most of the credit to Derek St. Holmes - Nugent's ego got rid him quickly enough.......The result is  bombast, crappy simplistic tripe. 
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Post by: westen44 on November 30, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
Whitford & St. Holmes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MymoY9Q06Y
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Post by: Pilgrim on November 30, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
Cat Scratch Fever is the only Nugent tune that I recognize. But his general type of music isn't something I follow.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: gearHed289 on December 01, 2020, 09:27:07 AM
Sweaty Teddy was right up there with bands like Aerosmith, Thin Lizzy, and Rush in the late 70s, at least as far as touring. He got some decent airplay with those first three albums too, but not a lot of big hit songs. I was in 8th grade when the live one came out, and I was amazed to hear someone swearing on a record.  :o ;D I think Wango Tango was the last real single of his. That was 1980.
Title: Re: A courageous conservationist speaks out ...
Post by: Pilgrim on December 01, 2020, 09:49:48 AM
Sweaty Teddy was right up there with bands like Aerosmith, Thin Lizzy, and Rush in the late 70s, at least as far as touring. He got some decent airplay with those first three albums too, but not a lot of big hit songs. I was in 8th grade when the live one came out, and I was amazed to hear someone swearing on a record.  :o ;D I think Wango Tango was the last real single of his. That was 1980.

Clearly, you post-date the Fugs of the 60's.  ;)
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Post by: Rob on December 01, 2020, 03:06:08 PM
Clearly, you post-date the Fugs of the 60's.  ;)

NICE PIL!
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Post by: uwe on December 01, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
Sweaty Teddy was right up there with bands like Aerosmith, Thin Lizzy, and Rush in the late 70s, at least as far as touring. He got some decent airplay with those first three albums too, but not a lot of big hit songs. I was in 8th grade when the live one came out, and I was amazed to hear someone swearing on a record.  :o ;D I think Wango Tango was the last real single of his. That was 1980.

Tom and his sheltered upbringing ...  :mrgreen:

https://youtu.be/vfKhvzUdJoM
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Post by: gearHed289 on December 02, 2020, 08:14:34 AM
Tom and his sheltered upbringing ...  :mrgreen:

https://youtu.be/vfKhvzUdJoM

Ha! Yeah, if my family hadn't moved to suburbia when I was in 8th grade, I might have gotten tipped off to more stuff like this. Why was the MC5 not bigger? Did they implode? Maybe just not the right time. If they'd come out in '76 they might have made more of a mark.
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Post by: TBird1958 on December 02, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
Tom and his sheltered upbringing ...  :mrgreen:

https://youtu.be/vfKhvzUdJoM


 Music was better when some of us ugly people got to make it.
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Post by: the mojo hobo on December 02, 2020, 10:49:19 AM
The Amboy Dukes recorded three or four albums after Journey to the Center and each was different transforming more to the Nugent solo style, and I don't think there was a hit on any of them. The follow-up to Journey, Migration, is likeable. We played it in my post high school band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJT3SpExgY
The only other song I remember from that record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uJDPwM5p_M

MC5 was loud!
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Post by: Highlander on December 02, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
I had all of those early albums too... enjoyed most of them back in the day... I think I may still have a single called Scottish Tea... instrumental, iirc...
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Post by: uwe on December 03, 2020, 02:31:22 PM
Ha! Yeah, if my family hadn't moved to suburbia when I was in 8th grade, I might have gotten tipped off to more stuff like this. Why was the MC5 not bigger? Did they implode? Maybe just not the right time. If they'd come out in '76 they might have made more of a mark.

I dunno. Why Grand Funk Railroad and not them? It's the same question with The Stooges, The New York Dolls, The Dictators (who owed quite a bit to MC5 and admitted as much) and the Ramones, none of these bands meant much commercially in their heyday and they were derided, yet critics' darlings a few years later. I guess commercial success and being seen as having a pivotal counter-culture impact is mutually exclusive. Quality of management, record company support and tenacity/resilience of the musicians (think of how long Kiss took to crack the market) play a major role I think. And being at least not too unlucky with drug intake.

You could of course say that all the bands named above were not exactly brilliant or even just solid and reliable musicians in a technical sense - Foghat, to name a critics' nightmare, could have wiped the floor with MC5, Stooges, NYD, Ramones or Dictators at any given stadium gig in the mid seventies. But then neither were Kiss at least initially and look where they got - experience elevates talent mediocrity if you hang around long enough. Does the  public have an ear for musically and instrumentally outstanding talent after all, just like they recognize very good athletes? Being good at what you do is not sufficient for a music career as everyone knows, but it doesn't hold you back either if there are other aspects in the equation in favor of you.
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Post by: westen44 on December 03, 2020, 10:43:51 PM
^^^
I would say Grand Funk Railroad instead of MC5 because GFR was a better band.  I can remember as a teenager buying one of the early MC5 albums.  I didn't know anything about them.  I was just hoping it would be a good album.  I disliked it so much I got a refund.  I think I had only listened to it once, but that was more than enough.  Grand Funk, on the other hand, was one of my favorite bands for a while.  Our band loved playing their songs and the crowd was very receptive, too.  Now that I look back at it, I would say my dislike of MC5 is that I was  never a big fan of the genre they were associated with which is now called proto-punk rock.  My taste in music has changed some.  Most likely I would be more receptive to it now, but certainly not when I was a teenager. 
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Post by: uwe on December 04, 2020, 06:43:00 AM
GFR were no doubt the more organic, groovier band and better, more experienced individual players than MC5 though early Grand Funk was still a rough sounding, earthy affair (which was part of their appeal, but they honed their sound quite radically and quickly). I'm a great fan of GFR though I prefer their later phase with Craig Frost as added keyboarder.

That "proto-punk"-badge was in my impression attached to bands like MC5, Stooges and New York Dolls in hindsight (long after they had actually all split up) by British journalists (especially the NME) when punk raised its spiky head in the UK in 1976. Before that all these bands were simply considered "hard (or heavy) rock" bands,

the bland definition of hard (or heay) rock in my book being
mid- to uptempo music with a focus on distorted guitar riffs,

just not instrumentally very skillful ones. Sort of hard rock without the Cream-indebted virtuoso/improvisational component. But in the summer of 76 it was all of the sudden de rigueur as an up and coming Brit punk musician that you were of course weaned on MC5, Stooges and NYD records, when in fact - as the singer of Eddie & the Hot Rods once admitted - "none of us had actually heard these records, but saying instead that we grew up with The Rolling Stones, T. Rex, Bowie, Sweet, Status Quo, Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath wouldn't have sounded nearly as cool".

Sex Pistols Svengali Malcolm McLaren had of course managed the New York Dolls (when they were already disintegrating after having failed to crack the US market with their first two albums), so he was always keen to point out a connection there.
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Post by: gearHed289 on December 04, 2020, 08:18:13 AM
Nice insight, thanks. That all makes sense.
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Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 04, 2020, 08:19:49 AM
I tried to get into the MC5 based on Patti Smith's obvious endorsement, but just couldn't dig it. It's a shame I bear as a punk that the best thing, IMO, to come from their career was being sampled by The KLF (and how good their T Shirt looked on Smith).  So yeah, GFR getting bigger than them totally makes sense to me.

Now the Stooges; them I' like.  Dolls were alright too.

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Post by: westen44 on December 04, 2020, 08:25:06 AM
GFR were no doubt the more organic, groovier band and better, more experienced individual players than MC5 though early Grand Funk was still a rough sounding, earthy affair (which was part of their appeal, but they honed their sound quite radically and quickly). I'm a great fan of GFR though I prefer their later phase with Craig Frost as added keyboarder.

That "proto-punk"-badge was in my impression attached to bands like MC5, Stooges and New York Dolls in hindsight (long after they had actually all split up) by British journalists (especially the NME) when punk raised its spiky head in the UK in 1976. Before that all these bands were simply considered "hard (or heavy) rock" bands,

the bland definition of hard (or heay) rock in my book being
mid- to uptempo music with a focus on distorted guitar riffs,

just not instrumentally very skillful ones. Sort of hard rock without the Cream-indebted virtuoso/improvisational component. But in the summer of 76 it was all of the sudden de rigueur as an up and coming Brit punk musician that you were of course weaned on MC5, Stooges and NYD records, when in fact - as the singer of Eddie & the Hot Rods once admitted - "none of us had actually heard these records, but saying instead that we grew up with The Rolling Stones, T. Rex, Bowie, Sweet, Status Quo, Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath wouldn't have sounded nearly as cool".

Sex Pistols Svengali Malcolm McLaren had of course managed the New York Dolls (when they were already disintegrating after having failed to crack the US market with their first two albums), so he was always keen to point out a connection there.

One of the things which drew me to GFR was Mel Schacher's loud and aggressive bass.  There are actually people who seem to think bass can be too loud.  That is unimaginable to even think such a thing.  That's like saying a girl can be too pretty. 
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Post by: the mojo hobo on December 07, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
This needs a "like" button.
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Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 08, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
*like*
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Post by: uwe on December 08, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
Mel was wonderful on bass, doubleplusgood!
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Post by: doombass on December 08, 2020, 10:38:01 AM
Maybe you're on to something. The MC5 records had just about nothing below 180Hz.
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Post by: uwe on December 08, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
That was only that one studio album where their nutty manager (John Sinclair) wanted an extremely bright, "it jumps at you from the turntable"-sound. The band themselves were distraught about the production. Was it Back In The USA or High Time, I don't remember ...

I remember hearing Kick Out The Jams for the first time in the mid-70ies - it was for me at that time the most aggressive, heaviest piece of music I had heard (and I was reared on Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and the Grand Funk Railroad Live album).

BÖC would do a credible version of it though the song (albeit non-political in nature) is invariably tied to MC5's pronounced counterculture shtick & John Sinclair's romantic/half-assed concept of lefty-anarchist ideology - BÖC aren't really a political enough band to do it justice. Also, I guess that preaching revolution and (by today's standards: slightly sexist) wild abandon when you're playing an Alembic bass raises general credibility issues.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPjKVyT8C-c

That's probably two more reasons why the MC5 didn't make it: They were overtly political (though GFR in their early days dabbled with counterculture too - before Farner's reborn christian beliefs and his "the only way to keep America free and Number One, is for every brother to have a gun"-nationalism set in) and then of course ... DRUGS!!!
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Post by: TBird1958 on December 08, 2020, 11:50:48 AM


 I like the Presidents...But hey, Seattle and all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeMlRxLsm5A
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Post by: uwe on December 08, 2020, 12:09:27 PM
I like the Presidents of the USA too!

Mostly. There are exceptions. Abhorrence spawned by common sense and general standards of human decency do trump my general well-disposition in specific cases. But that will all soon be in the past now, I'm just biden my time.

Returning to the subject of the song: very power-poppy! Do I get this right: He chords on two (?!) bass strings Lemmy-style strung on a regular SG guitar, i.e. short-short scale? Are the two strings tuned the same, in fourths, in fifths, in octaves? It sounds like power chords (i.e. fourths or fifths) to me in places. And does it go down to a low E or just a low A or B, baritone style?

Ah, this explains it somewhat ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qBmKnG24wc
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Post by: TBird1958 on December 08, 2020, 02:15:56 PM


 I don't think there's a total of six strings in use between those two guys!  ;)
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Post by: Pilgrim on December 08, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
Ya gotta love a group that works "Shout" into a gig like that!
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Post by: uwe on December 08, 2020, 03:17:16 PM
Yup, they're spirited.

Brits would say "ebullient".
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Post by: Highlander on December 08, 2020, 04:40:25 PM
Eh...?  :mrgreen:
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Post by: uwe on December 08, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
Unruly northern tribes. :rolleyes: Even when they are not wearing kilts, they're still skirting mischief.
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Post by: Dave W on December 09, 2020, 12:29:07 AM
I like the Presidents of the USA too!

Mostly. There are exceptions. Abhorrence spawned by common sense and general standards of human decency do trump my general well-disposition in specific cases. But that will all soon be in the past now, I'm just biden my time.

Returning to the subject of the song: very power-poppy! Do I get this right: He chords on two (?!) bass strings Lemmy-style strung on a regular SG guitar, i.e. short-short scale? Are the two strings tuned the same, in fourths, in fifths, in octaves? It sounds like power chords (i.e. fourths or fifths) to me in places. And does it go down to a low E or just a low A or B, baritone style?

Ah, this explains it somewhat ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qBmKnG24wc

Chris used a .60 gauge string tuned to C# and a .36 tuned to G#
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Post by: Granny Gremlin on December 09, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
Well the PUSA version certainly is more fun, if not as thick n heavy as the MC5... though I'm not sure why disaffection with the government would want to make them "take their pants off," I mean a bit of shouting and jumpoing around, even sitting in (or refusing to like those KISS dudes) sure, but that's their slapstick style I suppose.
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Post by: TBird1958 on December 09, 2020, 09:44:14 AM
Unruly northern tribes. :rolleyes: Even when they are not wearing kilts, they're still skirting mischief.
   

 Plaid, way too much plaid - and all those unshaven legs!  :-*
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Post by: uwe on December 09, 2020, 01:20:11 PM
Chris used a .60 gauge string tuned to C# and a .36 tuned to G#

So just three half-steps lower than a guitar, taking basically the D and G string of a bass, but tuning them a half-step down and then in fifths rather than fourths.
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Post by: Highlander on December 09, 2020, 04:32:52 PM
Plaid, way too much plaid - and all those unshaven legs!  :-*

Oh come on... I'm pretty certain I've seen you in tartan somewhere... mind you, not a hair in site... at least, on your pins... :mrgreen:

Unruly northern tribes. :rolleyes: Even when they are not wearing kilts, they're still skirting mischief.

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Post by: TBird1958 on December 10, 2020, 06:31:48 AM
Oh come on... I'm pretty certain I've seen you in tartan somewhere... mind you, not a hair in site... at least, on your pins... :mrgreen:
   


 Whatever plaid is designated for bad catholic school girls........that's my clan  :-*
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Post by: Highlander on December 11, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
I'm going to suggest the classic MacLeod tartan, Ma'am, which in the business is nicknamed "Loud MacLeod" or "Noisy MacLeod"... :mrgreen:
It's the very bright yellow and black one...

Hmm... edit... there is a clan with your surname... ;)