Beware of the forgery

[Pilgrim]

I've made the comment in the past, that given our nearly exclusive knowledge of the BaCH TH basses, a heavily modified piece, over a number of ownership changes, would likely lose the history and provenance, resulting in an unknowing seller buying one as a Gibson (and overpriced), then try to sell it as one.

I think it's close to inevitable.  All it would take is a new headstock decal and an uneducated buyer.

[OldManC]

I think it's close to inevitable.  All it would take is a new headstock decal and an uneducated buyer.

The control cavity would always be a dead giveaway.

I can't imagine anyone paying even half what a real one would cost without knowing them well enough to catch on to the control cavity. Even if all the hardware were perfect repro pieces, that control plate is not.

[Basvarken]

All it would take is a new headstock decal and an uneducated buyer.

A decal on the headstock would be too obvious. The Gibson NR Tbirds don't have a decal on the headstock...

[Dave W]

It is possible that somebody down the line will sell a Bach as a Gibson. And if it happens, it may be an innocent mistake.

Keep in mind that the seller in my original post isn't an innocent seller. He not only built them, he's in the guitar building and assembling business.

[uwe]

The product specs insert has been changed from this here (status: April 22)


"Product Specs

Condition: Very good
Make: Gibson
Model: EB Mahogany
Categories: 4-String, Short Scale
Made In: United States"


to this here


"Product Specs
 
Condition: Very good
Make: Custom
Model: EB Mahogany
Categories: 4-String, Short Scale
Made In: United States"

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[Highlander]

[mc2NY]

Rather funny that an import Hamer could be passed off as a U.S. Gibson.

Wouldn't the real rosewood fingerboard be a dead giveaway that is isn't a real Gibson?

[Highlander]

Oooohh... sharper than a sushi knife set...

[Dave W]

Something else about the seller, took me a while to find and I can't link directly to it because you have to be a logged-in TDPRI member to see it:

Back in 2007, he sold a partscaster with a fake Fender decal to a buyer who paid with Paypal.  I never saw the listing but he said he made it clear that it wasn't a real Fender. The buyer was unhappy with the guitar's sound but he refused to take it back. So buyer filed a "significantly not as described" claim at Paypal and told them it was not a real Fender. Buyer got a full refund and Paypal had the buyer ship the guitar to them, which he did, and they destroyed the guitar. So he (the seller) lost his money and the guitar. He then started a thread at TDPRI titled "Paypal Steals Telecaster Guitar". Some people were sympathetic, others weren't. I'm sorry he lost his money but Paypal didn't "steal" his guitar. It was considered a counterfeit, and if Paypal determines that an item is counterfeit, they have it destroyed.

Something to keep in mind for anyone selling anything with a decal or nameplate that doesn't belong.

[Granny Gremlin]

I considered putting a Gibson logo on my Loz Archtop project, but decided against it thinking that'd be lame and just stuck my own logo  ( see avatar) on the headstock.  .... also the finish work makes it completely unbelievable.

[nofi]

your finish work or a gibson?

[Granny Gremlin]

As in my finish work has no orange peel (nevermind that, in this case, it's an oil finish vs nitro)

[Dbsummers]

Hello! I just found this site because someone sent me links to it about my Gibson V bass.
I am Don Summers, bass player for The Moving Sidewalks. In 1967 I (customized ) my short scale bass which ended up in the hands of John Entwistle and was used in the Movie Tommy.
This thread is old but I can answer any questions about the bass prior its sale to John.

[TBird1958]

 
 

[westen44]

It's a little confusing having two topics with the exact same title.