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Title: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on April 28, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
I'm really digging my B-301, it has given me an appreciation for the brand.  So when this came up I bit:

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Guild/1_zpskzjaucwe.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Guild/1_zpskzjaucwe.jpg.html)

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Guild/2_zpshq1zxma3.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Guild/2_zpshq1zxma3.jpg.html)

It's a '73.  Click the pics if you want to see more.  Seems to be around 95% complete, the chesterfield inlay seems to have fallen out.  There's some honest wear but I might do a total restoration.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Droombolus on April 28, 2015, 10:50:28 AM
Love that model, never played it tough.......... congrats !
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on April 28, 2015, 01:34:43 PM
Leave it as-is Carlo... mojo's good at times... refin if you intend to move her on at some time...
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on April 28, 2015, 03:06:54 PM
Leave it as-is Carlo... mojo's good at times... refin if you intend to move her on at some time...

I agree, Ken, mojo's good at times.  I'll give it serious thought before attempting a restoration though I'm generally inclined that way.  ROI is not a factor, I feel like I'm playing with house money.

Everything will eventually be sold or discarded.  If it works out as planned I won't be the one selling.  Apres moi... ;D
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Pilgrim on April 28, 2015, 07:43:09 PM
I really like that bass, looks really cool. It shows the marks of experience, including a neck re-set.  And I'd love to try playing it!!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on April 28, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
Whatever you decide, at least it's honest wear and not a relic job.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on April 28, 2015, 11:32:34 PM
+1

... If it works out as planned I won't be the one selling.  Apres moi... ;D

... and quite a few decades hence, Mon Ami... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on April 29, 2015, 06:54:54 AM
You and me both Carlo.  It's on my short list as well!  Let us know how it feels and sounds.  As for refinning it, I've seen a couple that were done in a natural and they were beautiful!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: gearHed289 on April 29, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
OH! You got that one, huh? I was watching that. Price really shot up at the end there. You're killin me man! I would love an M85, just can't justify the expenditure. I foolishly sold my '73 JS II (virtually the same bass, different body) a couple of years ago and really miss it. What's the fifth knob - master volume?
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: chromium on April 29, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Nice catch!

I also had a JSII.  Great bass, but I liked it best when it had those 70s pickups in it.  I had converted it to Darkstars at one point, sold the originals, and installed a big brass-mass sustain block bridge (made by Marko Urisn.. outwardly, it looked like a stock harp bridge with brass saddles).  I loved the bridge, but the DSs just weren't my thing so I ended up moving it to fund other GAS.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on April 29, 2015, 09:12:08 AM
OH! You got that one, huh? I was watching that. Price really shot up at the end there. You're killin me man! I would love an M85, just can't justify the expenditure. I foolishly sold my '73 JS II (virtually the same bass, different body) a couple of years ago and really miss it. What's the fifth knob - master volume?

I sniped three other snipers.  Figured it would be worth at least taking a look since it can be returned if it disappoints.   5th pot is master volume, the mini switch changes phase.

You're a working man with obligations, Tom.   I'm a juvenile delinquent with money to burn.

Nice catch!

I also had a JSII.  Great bass, but I liked it best when it had those 70s pickups in it.  I had converted it to Darkstars at one point, sold the originals, and installed a big brass-mass sustain block bridge (made by Marko Urisn.. outwardly, it looked like a stock harp bridge with brass saddles).  I loved the bridge, but the DSs just weren't my thing so I ended up moving it to fund other GAS.

Thanks! Came out of Phoenix, should be here Saturday.  I dig the sound of the original pup in my buddy's '65 Starfire I so I'm really looking forward  to how it sounds.   I have a DS I got from Gary but it won't be going in this bass.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Basvarken on April 29, 2015, 09:19:08 AM
Beautiful bass. I had one just like yours Carlo.
But I couldn't really connect with the thing. So we parted ways  :-\

Hope you have more luck with the Guild M-85II  :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/1012707_10201640386236494_1867076303_n.jpg?oh=24a6e1e7bd8451f52d137b85361502a5&oe=55DF6034&__gda__=1441006850_274edd60f86dfea0599e0edcd4a1e581)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on April 29, 2015, 10:34:21 AM
You and me both Carlo.  It's on my short list as well!  Let us know how it feels and sounds.  As for refinning it, I've seen a couple that were done in a natural and they were beautiful!


There's a natural one on EBay that's in a little better condition, it led me to this one.  It has a BIN that's a few hundred more than I paid.  But it 's a 78 and has propeller tuners.  I prefer the earlier ones.  I'll definitely post pix and feelings when I get it.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on April 29, 2015, 09:59:02 PM
A couple of guys here started calling those 70s Guild pickups "sludgebuckers" but I never could understand that. I like them better than the Bisonics and way better than the Darkstars. YMMV.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on April 30, 2015, 05:06:29 AM
Way to Carlo!  I just snagged one off eBay too!  Been watching for over a year and this one was too low to pass up.  I sold the one I made and have been wanting a replacement.  I'll post pics when I get home.  This is going to be fun!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: godofthunder on April 30, 2015, 05:49:53 AM
 Beautiful bass Carlo! Dammit got me gassing for a Guild, I'm Guildess at the moment. Always wanted a carved JS II
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: gearHed289 on April 30, 2015, 07:48:07 AM
The necks are so nice and skinny on these things. Really fun to play with flats and a pick. I was totally happy with the stock pickups, though the neck pretty much drowned out the bridge. And the mini switch - I thought it engaged a bass-cut cap or something? Never used it.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: chromium on April 30, 2015, 04:46:56 PM
And the mini switch - I thought it engaged a bass-cut cap or something? Never used it.

Ditto that. 
It was sorta their version of the baritone "suck switch", and if I recall it applied only to the neck pickup.  Sounded pretty awful when engaged  :)

One position enabled the full range output, and the other passed the neck pickup thru a cap - creating a high pass filter (choking out the lows). 
Similar to what Ric did on the bridge pickup of the 4001... but at least you could turn it off.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: steveonbass on May 01, 2015, 05:31:17 AM
I am one of the detractors of those pickups.  My Starfire has Darkstars and it was a VAST improvement in range.  The Bi-Sonic or Darkstars have much more dynamic response to touch - you can get very musical clean tones or you can dig in and actually overdrive the pickup with your right hand attack.  Nothing else like it. 

The Guild pickups are definitely muddy. Passable until you get them in a live mix. If someone wants to buy my Guild pickups, I would sell them. 

Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 01, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
I am one of the detractors of those pickups.  My Starfire has Darkstars and it was a VAST improvement in range.  The Bi-Sonic or Darkstars have much more dynamic response to touch - you can get very musical clean tones or you can dig in and actually overdrive the pickup with your right hand attack.  Nothing else like it. 

The Guild pickups are definitely muddy. Passable until you get them in a live mix. If someone wants to buy my Guild pickups, I would sell them.

To each his own, but I never bought into Fred's marketing-speak. Range means nothing if you don't care for the tone, and I don't. EMGs are even wider range than Darkstars; that certainly doesn't mean they're even better. The only thing that matters to me is whether or not I like the tone.

I had a JS-II. When I replaced that thin metal rosewood saddle bridge with a Schaller 2000, it's amazing how un-muddy those pickups sounded -- quite clear for bass humbuckers. I'd still have it but I got tired of the neck dive.

The Bisonic is no model of clarity with the original bridge either. IMHO that's the real problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCnqR5yxEFU

Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Basvarken on May 02, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
The sound of the M-85 `II with the Guild humbuckers was definitely too tame for my liking. Just didn't sound commanding enough for me. I couldn't rock with that bass. I can imagine if you want to play pop songs, or any mellower style music it'd be perfect. It is a beautiful bass though.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 02, 2015, 06:59:30 AM
And that's why we have different basses.  :)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 02, 2015, 08:03:55 AM
And that's why we have different basses.  :)

The more the merrier! ;D
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 02, 2015, 09:39:06 AM
If someone wants to buy my Guild pickups, I would sell them.

PM me with a price, please.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 02, 2015, 02:07:51 PM
Arrived just before noon for its incoming mug shot

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/02/P1070965P_zps4q9pjdih.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/02/P1070965P_zps4q9pjdih.jpg.html)

Excellent job on the reset done in the nineties.  Receipt was in the case, cost $75.  Plugged it in, noticed pickups were too far from strings, action high, slight neck bow, saddles have been filed (badly, slots very deep) and the bridge plate is bent slightly on the E side.  Weight is 8lbs, 3 oz.  Case is in nice shape but the whole package reeks of tobacco.

Had some lunch and took it into the shop.  Tweaked the trussrod, lowered the bridge, raised the bridge pickup a lot, neck slightly.  I'm not having a problem  getting tone or volume out of it, using fingers or pick.  Typical Alnico humbuckers, they have to be very close to the strings.  The mini switch is sort of a bari switch, .033k cap, fairly unnecessary.  There's also a resistor on the treble pickup, maybe as a pop suppressor for the pup switch.  I might try bypassing it but the bridge pup is very loud and aggressive the way it is.  I'll either make some some saddles for the bridge or buy some repro rosewoods.

Haven't decided what if anything to do with it cosmetically besides fixing the headstock inlay.  At the moment I'm digging it.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 02, 2015, 06:02:29 PM
It doesn't look so worn that you would have to refin. Wouldn't blame you if you did, though, especially since you have the facilities and knowledge.

IIRC the baritone switch was only connected to the neck pickup. I might be remembering wrong.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Happy Face on May 02, 2015, 07:44:45 PM
"saddles have been filed (badly, slots very deep)"

I've been gradually lowering the saddles on my JS-II. The whole tail rig can be a little high, even with the bridge plate all the way down.

Thankfully I don't have that issue on my older M-85.    So I guess it's instrument specific.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 03, 2015, 05:38:11 AM
It doesn't look so worn that you would have to refin. Wouldn't blame you if you did, though, especially since you have the facilities and knowledge.

IIRC the baritone switch was only connected to the neck pickup. I might be remembering wrong.

It's worn enough between the pickups that I'm concerned about having to remove too much wood to smooth it out.
 
Yes, the bari switch is just on the neck pickup.  Haven't found the choke that goes with it but from the bass boost it has to be in there somewhere.

"saddles have been filed (badly, slots very deep)"

I've been gradually lowering the saddles on my JS-II. The whole tail rig can be a little high, even with the bridge plate all the way down.

Thankfully I don't have that issue on my older M-85.    So I guess it's instrument specific.

I'm close.  Zero neck relief and 1.2mm, string height @ 12th fret E string.  Need to straighten the plate first and go from there.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 03, 2015, 08:12:35 AM
You got a good deal on that one Carlo.  Just needs a little professional TLC.  I wouldn't be afraid to refin it, just careful sanding as you said.

I've been wanting one for years but the prices are silly because of Sheryl Crow.  I like my Guild RI model.  Nice neck, nice sound,  just a little neck dive, but it's nice and light to wear though. We'll see what the 76 looks like when it arrives Tuesday.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 03, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
You got a good deal on that one Carlo.  Just needs a little professional TLC.  I wouldn't be afraid to refin it, just careful sanding as you said.

I've been wanting one for years but the prices are silly because of Sheryl Crow.  I like my Guild RI model.  Nice neck, nice sound,  just a little neck dive, but it's nice and light to wear though. We'll see what the 76 looks like when it arrives Tuesday.

There's one in marginally better shape than mine with a BIN of $1K more so I think I paid a reasonable price.

The weight is good, no neck dive, and there's a lot of tonal variation.  Even the bari switch is usable with the neck pup at 1/2 volume and bridge full on.
Look forward to your thoghts on yours.  There's a nice natural one on Reverb but the price is silly.

https://reverb.com/item/453128-guild-m-85-ii-bluesbird-bass-1976-natural?_aid=pla&pla=1&gclid=CNmKz5D1pcUCFdQ9gQodwgEA9w
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 04, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
There's one in marginally better shape than mine with a BIN of $1K more so I think I paid a reasonable price.

The weight is good, no neck dive, and there's a lot of tonal variation.  Even the bari switch is usable with the neck pup at 1/2 volume and bridge full on.
Look forward to your thoghts on yours.  There's a nice natural one on Reverb but the price is silly.

https://reverb.com/item/453128-guild-m-85-ii-bluesbird-bass-1976-natural?_aid=pla&pla=1&gclid=CNmKz5D1pcUCFdQ9gQodwgEA9w

Yeah, I decided that I wouldn't pay more then $1500 for one in good- very good condition.  Didn't think that could happen, but one popped up right after yours!  I only paid that for my LP Triumph years ago and that was a good deal IMHO. It's due in tomorrow.

I also didn't want a restoration project as I want to focus on my own bass building, not rehab work.  I'm constantly running out of time to get things done!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 05, 2015, 07:51:31 AM
Yeah, I decided that I wouldn't pay more then $1500 for one in good- very good condition.  Didn't think that could happen, but one popped up right after yours!

The one you bought was the first one I saw, Bill.  My fallback plan was to BIN it if I didn't snipe the one I got.  Hope you like yours.  Once I figured out all the knobs and switches I'm getting some great tones out of it.

For me it's neck pup V @ 5 with the bass boost on, T dimed and bridge pup dimed V&T.  Then the toggle gives 3 usable tones.  21 frets are nice.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 05, 2015, 09:00:48 AM
Glad to hear you can get some good tone out of it!  Mine just showed up and I am very happy with it thus far.  It's really only muddy when you play just the neck pup.  Not as muddy as a Gibson by any means.  And the baritone switch doesn't bleed off too much of the lows as far as I can tell.  I think the pups have plenty of power and tonal variety.  The one electronic flaw is the barrel jack shorts out some if you wiggle the cord.  Probably have to replace it.  Action is amazing, set up really nice right out of the case.  I didn't expect that.

The body is in great shape.  All mahogany.  Thumb wear on the front and a minor buckle mark on the back.  No repairs or damage.  The neck is just how I like them. It's really perfect for my short fingers.   It's also straight with no issues.  The strings are older than dirt, they gotta go.  It's lighter than my LP Triumph and I like the tone a little better.  Overall, this is a great bass for a great price IMHO.

Going to practice on Thursday night!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/1976%20Guild%20M-85/DSCN1073_zpsqpnui2kl.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/1976%20Guild%20M-85/DSCN1073_zpsqpnui2kl.jpg.html)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/1976%20Guild%20M-85/DSCN1074_zpskytfyyzk.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/1976%20Guild%20M-85/DSCN1074_zpskytfyyzk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 05, 2015, 09:39:13 AM
Dueling M-85s...COOL!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 05, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
Dueling M-85s...COOL!

+1

A word about the original Bisonics.  I had two Starfires over the years and they were not as full or strong as these.  So while the Bisonics may look pretty cool, these Guild pups just plain sound better.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 05, 2015, 12:20:15 PM
I'm pleased that I'm not the only one sticking up for the Guild humbuckers.

Bill, if you ever get the urge, it would be interesting if you did a temporary swap of the M-85 bridge with the 90s Guild bridge that's on the Fender Rascal.  If it's anything like my experience with the Schaller 2000 (mentioned above), the difference should be really obvious. Not sure if they have the exact same hole pattern though.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 05, 2015, 12:37:00 PM
I'm pleased that I'm not the only one sticking up for the Guild humbuckers.

Bill, if you ever get the urge, it would be interesting if you did a temporary swap of the M-85 bridge with the 90s Guild bridge that's on the Fender Rascal.  If it's anything like my experience with the Schaller 2000 (mentioned above), the difference should be really obvious. Not sure if they have the exact same hole pattern though.

When I got the M-85 the bridge plate screws weren't screwed all the way into the body (there are rubber washers between the plate and the body.  I screwed them down tight compressing them as much as possible.  That helped, I may go to metal washers.  Next is some aluminum saddles, just ordered  some .375 x .5 bar stock.  They shouldn't be too difficult to fabricate.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 05, 2015, 12:42:05 PM
Hey Dave, I am really pleased with the Guild pups.  Strong, heavy on the low end, and only slightly muddy if using the neck alone.  I'm also surprised that the Bari switch doesn't cut a lot of volume when engaged. 

I did have one of those DeArmond bridges for years NOS sitting in a drawer.  I sold it last year figuring I didn't need it!  They are easy to adjust and don't have the fragile rosewood saddles.  The saddles on mine are pretty decent so I think it will be ok.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2015, 12:48:50 PM
Didn't expect to say this, but she's quite a looker... ;)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 05, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
Didn't expect to say this, but she's quite a looker... ;)

Thanks Kenny.  The mahogany top is a nice touch.  Some if these had spruce or maple.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: hieronymous on May 05, 2015, 05:12:28 PM
Haven't been here in a while but I have a soft spot for the M-85. Plus, if you're going to come back might as well come back with a bang! It's not a bari-switch, it's the DEEP-HARD TONE SWITCH!

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/17384938645_d04cbb4f6d_o.jpg)

This pic came from a JS-2 that was on sale at some point a few years ago.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 05, 2015, 05:37:45 PM

A mint 1970 M-85 deep hollowbody with Hagstroms:

http://www.nationwideguitars.com/1970guildm85ii.html

Only $4195!

Haven't been here in a while but I have a soft spot for the M-85. Plus, if you're going to come back might as well come back with a bang! It's not a bari-switch, it's the DEEP-HARD TONE SWITCH!

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/17384938645_d04cbb4f6d_o.jpg)

This pic came from a JS-2 that was on sale at some point a few years ago.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 05, 2015, 05:40:10 PM
LOL at the Deep-Hard. Might be accurate if there were an active bass boost.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Happy Face on May 05, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
+1

A word about the original Bisonics.  I had two Starfires over the years and they were not as full or strong as these.  So while the Bisonics may look pretty cool, these Guild pups just plain sound better.

I'm astonished by that. I have a M-85 with Bisonics and never noticed any drop off in volume from my Ricky. Rather the opposite. Now it is said that the Bisonics vary greatly, especially after close to 50 years, so maybe that's no surprise. Mine sound awesome so I guess I am lucky.

And my JS-II with Darkstars is so hot I have to plug it into the active input on any amp I use.

But each to one's own. I'd wager it depends on what you grew up playing and what sorta amp you run your bass through.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 05:29:56 AM
The difference might be that the two Starfires I had were single Bisonic models.  Maybe the 2 pup models have more oomph to them.  I wouldn't be surprised if that makes a noticeable difference.  Overall, it is what it is.  This bass sounds much better than the Starfires I had.  Maybe the Bionics really weren't made to be run as singles.

As for the Deep-Hard switch, they must have had a good laugh at Guild when they dreamed that moniker up!   :toast:  Hey man, let's call it the Deep-Hard switch.....pass me that doobie, will ya????
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 05:32:38 AM
Well, I opened up the control cavity and it's a thing of wiring beauty.  Never been touched as far as I can tell.  After some soul searching, I've decided to replace the crappy barrel jack with a standard Switchcraft model.  I'll have to enlarge the jack hole to 3/4" and put a LP plate on, but hey, I am not messing with a barrel jack again.  This is one mod I think is a genuine upgrade.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 06, 2015, 05:38:46 AM
Well, I opened up the control cavity and it's a thing of wiring beauty.  Never been touched as far as I can tell.  After some soul searching, I've decided to replace the crappy barrel jack with a standard Switchcraft model.  I'll have to enlarge the jack hole to 3/4" and put a LP plate on, but hey, I am not messing with a barrel jack again.  This is one mod I think is a genuine upgrade.

Switchcraft makes a barrel jack.  Nothing wrong with it IMO. Try squirting some pot cleaner in yours or try a different cord first.  You may just have some corrosion on the contact points.

http://www.allparts.com/EP-0151-000-Switchcraft-Mono-Long-Threaded-Jack_p_1275.html
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 06:15:21 AM
Switchcraft makes a barrel jack.  Nothing wrong with it IMO. Try squirting some pot cleaner in yours or try a different cord first.  You may just have some corrosion on the contact points.

http://www.allparts.com/EP-0151-000-Switchcraft-Mono-Long-Threaded-Jack_p_1275.html

Well, you do have a point.  The problem with the jack, just like the one on my Kubicki, is the clip inside gets stretched over time and the 1/4 plug loses contact with it when it moves.  If you could get inside and bend the clip back in place, that would be great!  I guess I can wait a few days for the barrel jacks to get here.  I really wanted to take it to practice tomorrow, but it can wait till next week.  I have a couple but they are stereo and made in japan.  I want US made for this bass.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 06, 2015, 06:39:19 AM
Well, you do have a point.  The problem with the jack, just like the one on my Kubicki, is the clip inside gets stretched over time and the 1/4 plug loses contact with it when it moves.  If you could get inside and bend the clip back in place, that would be great!  I guess I can wait a few days for the barrel jacks to get here.  I really wanted to take it to practice tomorrow, but it can wait till next week.  I have a couple but they are stereo and made in japan.  I want US made for this bass.

I think that makes sense with a bass that hasn't been modded.  No problem with the jack on mine, there's a nice click when the plug engages.  I'll use another barrel jack if it goes bad.  I like the way Guild soldered the thing directly to a pot.

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/02/P1070968_zpsb13r0tyh.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/02/P1070968_zpsb13r0tyh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 07:32:34 AM
I think that makes sense with a bass that hasn't been modded.  No problem with the jack on mine, there's a nice click when the plug engages.  I'll use another barrel jack if it goes bad.  I like the way Guild soldered the thing directly to a pot.

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/02/P1070968_zpsb13r0tyh.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/02/P1070968_zpsb13r0tyh.jpg.html)

Yeah, interesting way of doing it.  Say, could I hook up one of the stereo jacks temporarily?  Which of the center poles would I use to do so?

Bill
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 06, 2015, 08:20:17 AM
Yeah, interesting way of doing it.  Say, could I hook up one of the stereo jacks temporarily?  Which of the center poles would I use to do so?

Bill

Not sure.  On the one I just checked it's the short lug.

My way of checking is to put a mono plug in the jack and  use a meter to check continuity from the plug tip contact to the center lugs of the stereo jack.  One will read with the tip, the other with the shaft.  You can do the same thing with a guitar cord, plug it in and check using the meter on the other plug.

If you solder the without checking it will work one way and not the other.  Easy enough to resolder to the correct lug.  Go for it!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 08:51:23 AM
Thanks Carlo, will do!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Happy Face on May 06, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
If you solder the without checking it will work one way and not the other.

In my experience, if you solder without checking it, it is absolutely guaranteed to be the wrong way!   ;)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 06, 2015, 10:38:45 AM
IME half the time it doesn't work either way. :-[
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
In my experience, if you solder without checking it, it is absolutely guaranteed to be the wrong way!   ;)

Amen!  Even with a 50/50 chance of getting it right, I always seem to miss the mark!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 06, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
IME half the time it doesn't work either way. :-[

Ouch, I hope not!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 07, 2015, 06:57:03 AM
Carlo, you are so right!  Neither lug worked although the meter said the shortest one should.  Guess I'll just wait for the mono jack to get here.  Damn....
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 07, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
Well, it's not so bad after all.  The barrel jack is due tomorrow!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 07, 2015, 12:15:21 PM
Well, it's not so bad after all.  The barrel jack is due tomorrow!

Woo Hoo...check your cord(s).
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 07, 2015, 01:02:21 PM
My cord worked fine in my other basses just yesterday.  Shouldn't be an issue.  Could be the crappy jack I tried.  Probably made in China.  The other one I have is from Japan.  Oh well, I'll give it a go tomorrow when the new one arrives and double check my cord too.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 08, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
Yep, the mono Switchcraft barrel jack worked perfectly.  We're up and running and she sounds great.  I did put a little red LockTite on the threads to keep the jack from wiggling free so easily.  Put some new DA Half-rounds on it and she sounds like mahogany thunder!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 10, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
Did a little more tweaking.  The E and A saddles had been switched at one time (A is taller) so I reversed them and was able to lower the action and flatten the neck more to my liking.  Plays even better and the intonation is good too.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 10, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Did a little more tweaking.  The E and A saddles had been switched at one time (A is taller) so I reversed them and was able to lower the action and flatten the neck more to my liking.  Plays even better and the intonation is good too.

Cool!  I have some aluminum coming tomorrow, going to see if I can make a set of saddles.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 11, 2015, 06:12:47 AM
Good luck with the aluminum.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2015, 03:40:40 PM
Either of you guys want a couple rosewood sticks?
They are slotted and only rough shaped for saddles.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 11, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
Either of you guys want a couple rosewood sticks?
They are slotted and only rough shaped for saddles.

Really?  How much?
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 12, 2015, 04:47:25 AM
Really?  How much?

I'm interested!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: gweimer on May 13, 2015, 04:12:02 PM
Wonderful bass!  I love those.  I had a black one, and the semi-hollow body to boot.  It was a *GREAT* Ronnie Lane kind of bass.  I have always been sorry I let it go, but doing so led to the Embassy.  Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 18, 2015, 06:22:08 AM
Forgot to post after practice last week.  All went well with the M 85.  It really sounded great through the Mesa M-Pulse amp.  I had toned it down a bit by putting DA half rounds on it.  Turned the treble on the amp up a bit and it had a nice bassy thump and bottom end with a clear high end.  Lots of fun to play as well.  Even with the big old heavy tuners, it wasn't neck diving on me.  A winner for sure!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/1976%20Guild%20M-85/IMG_0044_zpsxgeb8o3e.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/1976%20Guild%20M-85/IMG_0044_zpsxgeb8o3e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 18, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
Forgot to post after practice last week.  All went well with the M 85.  It really sounded great through the Mesa M-Pulse amp.  I had toned it down a bit by putting DA half rounds on it.  Turned the treble on the amp up a bit and it had a nice bassy thump and bottom end with a clear high end.  Lots of fun to play as well.  Even with the big old heavy tuners, it wasn't neck diving on me.  A winner for sure!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/1976%20Guild%20M-85/IMG_0044_zpsxgeb8o3e.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/1976%20Guild%20M-85/IMG_0044_zpsxgeb8o3e.jpg.html)
SWEET!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Happy Face on May 18, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
Looking Good, Sounding Good!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Rob on May 18, 2015, 11:29:07 AM
Bill Carlo and anyone else.
No cost send me a PM with a mailing address.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on May 18, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
Bill Carlo and anyone else.
No cost send me a PM with a mailing address.

PM sent.

Thanks, Rob!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: hieronymous on May 18, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Looks great with that finish, glad it's sounding good too - have you used the deep hard switch?  8)

I'm jealous of your amp rig by the way!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 18, 2015, 03:20:10 PM
Nice to see that big smile on your face, Bill...!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: clankenstein on May 18, 2015, 06:14:52 PM
It looks good on you Bill, it made Jimi look.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 18, 2015, 07:10:25 PM
Looks great with that finish, glad it's sounding good too - have you used the deep hard switch?  8)

I'm jealous of your amp rig by the way!  :mrgreen:

I tried the deep-hard switch and it has that middy nasal sound some folks like.  No for me, I like booming bass!

Thanks for the props on my rig.  I love it!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on May 18, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
Looks good on you!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 19, 2015, 08:20:29 AM
Thanks Dave, I always liked short scale basses, they don't make me look fat!   ;D
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Pilgrim on May 19, 2015, 08:55:05 AM
Dang, that's a classic looking bass.  And a very big smile!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 19, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Dang, that's a classic looking bass.  And a very big smile!

Only a few things make me smile like that.  I can't mention the others here.   8)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 19, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
Don't know why (excluding the Gentlemanly part)... never stops anyone else...! ;) 
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 19, 2015, 04:59:32 PM
Don't know why (excluding the Gentlemanly part)... never stops anyone else...! ;)

I'm trying to behave myself!  Not so easy.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Pilgrim on May 20, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
Only a few things make me smile like that.  I can't mention the others here.   8)

Would this be related to Dave's poo post?   :P
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 20, 2015, 11:13:07 AM
No, a healthy fear of my wife! 
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Pilgrim on May 20, 2015, 12:31:11 PM
(http://fukushima-diary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/wink-nudge.jpg)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 20, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
Ugh... Breakaway...

I didn't know Bill's wife came from Purley...?
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on May 21, 2015, 08:58:36 AM
Ugh... Breakaway...

I didn't know Bill's wife came from Purley...?

The chicks in Purley are tough?
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 21, 2015, 01:21:44 PM
Er... is that the European or African swallow...? ;)
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Pilgrim on May 21, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
Are you saying that commodes are migratory...?   :o
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Highlander on May 21, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
Runs in the family...
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on June 04, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
Many thanks to Bob (Rob) for two 6" sticks of rosewood saddle blank.  I spent a little time reducing the height on the E and G saddles (off the bottom) and  metal keepers (off the top) so I wouldn't have to deep notch them to get the action low enough.  Also reshaped them to the M-85 contour, sanded to 400, and oiled them.  Had to lengthen the E string slot in the base to intonate properly .  String set is D'Addario 50-105

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Guild/P1080419_zps8iig2yvk.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Guild/P1080419_zps8iig2yvk.jpg.html)

Rob also sent me some stainless steel strip the same gauge and width as the original keepers.  If anyone needs that or some saddle blank, let me know!

Thanks again, Bob!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: chromium on June 04, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
Nice- lookin' good!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on June 05, 2015, 05:26:41 AM
Ditto!  Thanks from me too!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Rob on June 05, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
More than welcome guys!
That was an "in the parts box piece from the Dudepit days".
If anyone needs metal for the keepers please let me know I have about three pounds of it sliced to width.
Yours for asking.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: uwe on June 11, 2015, 02:51:01 AM
Many thanks to Bob (Rob) for two 6" sticks of rosewood saddle blank.  I spent a little time reducing the height on the E and G saddles (off the bottom) and  metal keepers (off the top) so I wouldn't have to deep notch them to get the action low enough.  Also reshaped them to the M-85 contour, sanded to 400, and oiled them.  Had to lengthen the E string slot in the base to intonate properly .  String set is D'Addario 50-105

(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Guild/P1080419_zps8iig2yvk.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Guild/P1080419_zps8iig2yvk.jpg.html)

Rob also sent me some stainless steel strip the same gauge and width as the original keepers.  If anyone needs that or some saddle blank, let me know!

Thanks again, Bob!

You use the houses from the Monopoly board game as bridge saddles?  :o :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on June 11, 2015, 07:49:51 AM
You use the houses from the Monopoly board game as bridge saddles?  :o :mrgreen:

Exactly what I thought when I saw the sticks...that's the sixties profile.  It was easy to update to the '70s.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
HA!!!!
 I made those on a sample that M God sent me  8)
I did think they looked like monopoly houses but didn't think about updating them.
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: dadagoboi on June 11, 2015, 11:15:20 AM
HA!!!!
 I made those on a sample that M God sent me  8)
I did think they looked like monopoly houses but didn't think about updating them.

It's easy to sand the 60s shape into 70s, can't go the other way.  You did good!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: drbassman on June 11, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
Never occurred to me either!
Title: Re: Incoming M-85, gaga for Guild.
Post by: Dave W on June 11, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
Better not let Henry J. see this thread. I hear he's always looking for rosewood.