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Title: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on December 02, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Just announced by RIC.

(http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11603.0;attach=4162;image)
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: morrow on December 02, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
I like that , but doubt that one will find its way here .
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Dave W on December 02, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
Beautiful but I don't like the pickup placement.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on December 03, 2020, 12:52:23 AM
To me it looks like an early 70s MIJ Ric knockoff/"inspired" bass. I'd rather see a limited run of the 4002S like the two they did in May - or even a production model.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Basvarken on December 03, 2020, 04:49:27 AM
I think one of those pickups with a huge moat around them plus that weird oversized chrome bevel is bad enough as it is.
But two of those is just plain silly.

(sorry guys, couldn't resist)  :-X :-*
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: gearHed289 on December 03, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
I think one of those pickups with a huge moat around them plus that weird oversized chrome bevel is bad enough as it is.
But two of those is just plain silly.

(sorry guys, couldn't resist)  :-X :-*

Having one - it is what it is. "Historical". I don't mind it at all. But TWO? That's just stupid IMO. I also don't like those long plexi TRCs on short headstocks. Finish looks nice.  ;D
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Dave W on December 03, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
At least it's not another P/J.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: BTL on December 03, 2020, 03:39:04 PM
I'm not following RIC these days, but they seem to be doing some interesting/different things.

Has demand slowed in a way that allows them to dabble in non-standard fare like this, or is something else going on that I'm not aware of?
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: gearHed289 on December 04, 2020, 08:03:36 AM
John Hall's kid has pretty much taken over from what I can tell. I'm glad to see them trying new things for a change. The new 4002S is really cool, though I'm not crazy about maple fingerboards on Rics. They did one in British racing green that would have looked even more beautiful if they had used the Caribbean rosewood they started using a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: 4stringer77 on December 04, 2020, 09:34:28 AM
Two pickups of similar character makes more sense than trying to marry two wildly different pickups. This new bass will probably sound great but the odd shape of the pickups probably explains why they aren't a more popular after market option. It seems like everybody likes to experiment with installing every other type of pickup in every different model of bass besides rics. There are Fender birds, Gibsons with Fender pickups and Darkstars in anything but never ric pickups in anything but a ric. Am I missing something or has this been done before?
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on December 04, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
Two pickups of similar character makes more sense than trying to marry two wildly different pickups

While this may be true for Gibson EB3, the two Ric 4001/3 high-gain pickups AFAIK are similar if not identical, only the surround is different. The huge surround/handrest unit replaced the horseshoe pickup that had to be this large because of its two outer magnets. I assume RIC wanted to keep the striking trademark appearance.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: 4stringer77 on December 04, 2020, 09:58:44 AM
That makes sense. Keeping the pickup surrounds only for looks doesn't.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: BTL on December 04, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
John Hall's kid has pretty much taken over from what I can tell. I'm glad to see them trying new things for a change. The new 4002S is really cool, though I'm not crazy about maple fingerboards on Rics. They did one in British racing green that would have looked even more beautiful if they had used the Caribbean rosewood they started using a couple years ago.

That makes sense, and so does limited run variants.

The tooling up costs are minimal, but the collectibility factor converts lookers into buyers.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Dave W on December 04, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
While this may be true for Gibson EB3, the two Ric 4001/3 high-gain pickups AFAIK are similar if not identical, only the surround is different. The huge surround/handrest unit replaced the horseshoe pickup that had to be this large because of its two outer magnets. I assume RIC wanted to keep the striking trademark appearance.

That makes sense. Keeping the pickup surrounds only for looks doesn't.

The pickups are wound to the exact same specs (12.6K with #44 wire, IIRC), but there is a difference: the size of the magnet. The "treble" pickup has a much bigger magnet, which increases the output.  To have the same output in the neck (or middle) position, they had to rout for the large magnet.

I'm sure they could redesign the whole surround/pickup raising mechanism to eliminate the gaping hole -- if they wanted to. It's obviously not a priority for them.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: morrow on December 05, 2020, 07:42:32 AM
I'm not sure it would be a Ric without that big gaping hole .
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on December 06, 2020, 01:18:54 AM
I'm not sure it would be a Ric without that big gaping hole .

Case in point: the redesigned S5

(https://media.sweetwater.com/api/i/f-webp__q-82__ha-d8bd1e3644b6bffc__hmac-ee6f8cfd83c7ece816c4d3db954b111e1dd66439/images/guitars/4003S5MG/2024703/2024703-body-large.jpg.auto.webp)
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: BTL on December 06, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
I don't understand why they didn't build the 4003 pickup into an open-style shell or even a toaster shell and fabricate a larger version of that to be used in the 5 string bass.

(https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/images/galleries/Replacement_Ric_Rickenbacker_Toaster_Style_Pickups/Creamery_Custom_Handwound_Rickenbacker_Ric_Toaster_Style_Replacement_Low_57_Pickups.jpg)

(https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/media/widgetkit/Creamery_Custom_Replacement_Ric_Rickenbacker_Hi_68_Pickups-01797ae107f062454845178df2ecfa85.jpg)



Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Rob on December 06, 2020, 04:29:55 PM

I agree these look pretty "965 space age" hokey.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: the mojo hobo on January 21, 2021, 09:45:19 AM
Two pickups of similar character makes more sense than trying to marry two wildly different pickups.

As much sense as mating a J with a P.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: uwe on May 19, 2021, 01:41:45 AM
Just announced by RIC.

(http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11603.0;attach=4162;image)

This looks horrible. I at first thought it was a badly photoshopped April's Fool joke, like something Rob would do, except he does it better.

A grotesque aberration.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Basvarken on May 19, 2021, 03:47:52 AM
I wouldn't dare!  8)
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2021, 04:38:57 AM
It looks like  a pair of harmonicas.
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: morrow on May 19, 2021, 04:49:21 AM
There’s a bass in the Ric showroom that had been loaned to that guy in Led Zeppelin that has a similar pick guard . It’s been a change to see some different things come out , some interesting one offs the rough the Ric Boutique , and now some small runs . I blame this on Ben .
If they ever do a short scale 325 shaped bass I’ll be in danger of hocking a kidney .
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: Paul Boyer on May 19, 2021, 07:40:23 AM

If they ever do a short scale 325 shaped bass I’ll be in danger of hocking a kidney .

How about a 360-shaped short-scale with checker binding? Done and dusted. Just made 90 of them in celebration of the company's 90th anniversary.

https://www.facebook.com/ricguitars/photos/pcb.3818415391575417/3818415304908759/
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: morrow on May 19, 2021, 08:10:10 AM
It’s the 325 or 350 shape that will have me scrambling . Although I do think the 4005cx is gorgeous .
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on May 20, 2021, 05:03:23 AM
It’s the 325 or 350 shape that will have me scrambling . Although I do think the 4005cx is gorgeous .

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6d/13/54/6d1354f27fbec059cd8bbf6db0b9191d.jpg)
(https://luthierylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/slides/rickenbacker-325-bass-2-P4112971.jpg)
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: ilan on May 20, 2021, 05:07:54 AM
Todd Bradshaw's re-bodied 2030:

The story on the RRF (http://www.rickresource.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=138380&start=45)

(http://archives.rickresource.com/oldattachments/91663.jpg)
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: gearHed289 on May 20, 2021, 08:00:43 AM
Wow, I like that maple one. I'd like it more if it were white!
Title: Re: Limited run of 27 4003 CB SPC MB
Post by: morrow on May 20, 2021, 10:35:40 AM
Exactly .
I have a suspicion they’re eventually going to do one .