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Gear Discussion Forums => Fender Basses => Topic started by: Chris P. on July 25, 2014, 02:12:23 AM
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http://www.bax-shop.nl/rechtshandige-bas/fender-classic-player-rascal-bass-ocean-turquoise
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Did I missed this or new?
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That's a new one to me. I like it!
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Shorty with lipsticks - me likey. Though the fret dots on the treble side of the fretboard is bloody stoopid.
.... looks like a good host candidate for those loaded RD standard pickguards from greatdealz on ebay .... even better would be Dano lipsticks or Gibson G3 pups.
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I've never seen anything like this before.
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Me neither. I see it's using the Guild bridge, the old style but with steel saddles like the reissues. They must have not been included in the Guild sale.
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Found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyOQY7KGtY
Single comment posted on this vid is on idiot "interviewer" - I agree
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I saw the CS version some years ago at the Messe. Or was it this year? For sale at Thomann.de for around 8000 euros
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I saw the CS version some years ago at the Messe. Or was it this year? For sale at Thomann.de for around 8000 euros
The interview posted by Lightyear is from the January 2013 NAMM show, and that's the CS version, so you probably saw it last year.
Single comment posted on this vid is on idiot "interviewer" - I agree
Terrible interviewer! He needed to STFU.
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Then it was Messe 2013, which is a couple of months after the NAMM. I know Thomann has it for sale for quite a while.
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What's not to like? Pickups, color, matching headstock, short scale, Guild bridge...it's cool!
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Only references I can find to the production model are from Bax-shop in the Netherlands and Germany. Could this be an exclusive run for them? Would be nice if it were offered here.
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That is pretty slick lookin'
Love that color- same one I chose for my BaCH NR refin.
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Oh my, I'd take one! Who has a direct line to Fender???? We need to tweak them about offering them in the US. Makes a lot more sense then some of the Pawn Shop stuff they've come up with recently.
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IMO that's one of the more creative efforts Fender has come up with recently. I think it would sell.
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IMO that's one of the more creative efforts Fender has come up with recently. I think it would sell.
I agree! And more attractive/marketable.
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Yep. Very few "new" Fender designs have ever sold well (e.g. Stu Hamm or Roscoe Beck models) but this one actually might have what it takes to become a long term good seller.
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Fender deals primarily on its history and "vintage vibe". This model has the looks, and the lipstick pickups contribute to the vintage appeal.
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Got the call from the HOG just now. The Rascal will be available stateside. Ordered mine today! Only comes in blue so far.........
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Got the call from the HOG just now. The Rascal will be available stateside. Ordered mine today! Only comes in blue so far.........
Nice! That's one of the few non-standard Fender things that's interesting to me
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Nice! That's one of the few non-standard Fender things that's interesting to me
I agree! I've always wanted an upgraded features Mustang-type bass, which is really what this amounts to. I've had parts for years to build something similar, but this is too unique to pass up.
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Wonder if it will have the Guild bridge too...
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That would be niiiice!
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Well, the Guild bridge would be nice as it's the newest one they made for DeArmonds and lesser Guild basses. Depends on how many are laying around in the parts drawers at Fender! I had one for a couple years in the drawer and sold it to fund my own builds. I won't be surprised if they use the usual Fender bridge instead. We'll see what turns up!
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Nice to know it will be available here. Wonder what the US price will be.
I sure hope they use the Guild bridge, it's one of the nice touches that make this bass different. They can always make more if their current supply is limited.
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Nice to know it will be available here. Wonder what the US price will be.
I sure hope they use the Guild bridge, it's one of the nice touches that make this bass different. They can always make more if their current supply is limited.
I was told the street price would be $700 or less. That's consistent with recent non US Fenders.
It reminds me a a Landing custom made bass. Those are twice or more the fender price.
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I was told the street price would be $700 or less. That's consistent with recent non US Fenders.
That's reasonable for a Mexican-made model with those features.
It reminds me a a Landing custom made bass. Those are twice or more the fender price.
It sort of looks like the three pickup Landing, but all the Landings I've seen are based on a Strat body. The Rascal looks more like other offset body Fenders to me.
The Landing guy has USA Custom Guitars make his necks and bodies, or at least he used to. No doubt he gets an OEM price but he can't compete on price with something made in Fender's Ensenada factory.
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That's for sure Dave.
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I see the Bax Shop's Dutch site shows it as in stock. Assuming that means it's actually in production with the Guild bridge, I expect the same when it gets to the US.
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Strangely enough Fender tells me it's available in November and there still aren't much pictures around.
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I see the Bax Shop's Dutch site shows it as in stock. Assuming that means it's actually in production with the Guild bridge, I expect the same when it gets to the US.
Cool!
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The Rascal has arrived in the US. NStuff Music (Pianos n Stuff Music in Pittsburgh) now shows it on their website (http://www.nstuffmusic.com/p-35597-fender-classic-player-rascal-bass-ocean-turquoise.aspx?gclid=CNTKgtCPmMACFbRzMgodPFoAFA). MAP is shown as $799. I called, they did get one in this past week. Their price is $40 under MAP.
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The Rascal has arrived in the US. NStuff Music (Pianos n Stuff Music in Pittsburgh) now shows it on their website (http://www.nstuffmusic.com/p-35597-fender-classic-player-rascal-bass-ocean-turquoise.aspx?gclid=CNTKgtCPmMACFbRzMgodPFoAFA). MAP is shown as $799. I called, they did get one in this past week. Their price is $40 under MAP.
I know MSRP. And MAP means what again?
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I know MSRP. And MAP means what again?
MAP = minimum advertised price. Actually now that Fender has done away with MSRP, what used to be the MAP is now just the price, period. Dealers can still sell for less but can't advertise it for less.
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Ohhhhhh......I see.
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This showed up at one of my local retailers. Haven't had a chance to check it out though.
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This showed up at one of my local retailers. Haven't had a chance to check it out though.
The one I ordered hasn't shipped yet. Might be a month or less. Who knows?
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Check this out, posted 5 days ago by Mark at GAK UK
I like!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zp1XMDbVgo
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Sounds good! The 5 way is a nice touch.
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Cool. Some interesting sounds there.
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The design is the best of both worlds. It's a short scale but with the bridge located like on a guitar, the 1st fret is where your left arm expects it to be, if you're used to playing 34" scale Fenders. The VI is like that, very comfortable and does not feel like a small toy, like some short scales do. That was the feature I liked most about my (long gone) VI.
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Yep, I like the layout and I'm looking forward to trying one.
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Now officially shown on Fender's website: http://www.fender.com/series/classic-player/classic-player-rascal-bass-rosewood-fingerboard-ocean-turquoise/
The specs page explains the controls, you can have all three pickups on at once with the push pull switch (on the master volume knob) in the up position.
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Now officially shown on Fender's website: http://www.fender.com/series/classic-player/classic-player-rascal-bass-rosewood-fingerboard-ocean-turquoise/
The specs page explains the controls, you can have all three pickups on at once with the push pull switch (on the master volume knob) in the up position.
Nice! Can't wait to play one!
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I finally got to play one!
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3871/15191622715_9696247fd7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p9r3az)
As Dave said, the volume pot is push-pull - with just the bass pup selected and the knob up, you get neck & bridge pups; with the neck & middle pups selected and knob up, you get all three pups (or at least that's what the guy helping me found in the manual). Seems accurate - those were my favorite two positions, the neck & bridge had a nice full sound, all three was fat & punchy. I think it was selling for $799. My wife really liked the look of it - the pickups, the color - but I'm not in the market. Looking forward to more reports!
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DANGIT!!
I do NOT need more GAS at this point!!! >:( >:(
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Thanks for the report, Harry.
Too late for me, I already have GAS for one.
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Thanks for the report, Harry.
Too late for me, I already have GAS for one.
Me, too. Big surprise, huh!!! :P I'm thinking the HOG should have one soon since they are one of Fender's largest dealers.
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Thought of a couple of other things - it was a bit on the heavy side, though comfortable to play seated. There isn't a dedicated place to rest your thumb - I found myself using the pickguard (used to that on my Ric 4001) or on the pickup screw. The neck felt nice - the short scale was definitely comfortable.
The owner of the store (Bananas at Large) said he got it earlier than most other places - because of their relationship with Fender? - but hopefully more will be appearing in stores!
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My dealer source told me last Friday that Fender has these in stock ready to be shipped to dealers. But it's new enough that a lot of dealers aren't even aware of it. He's a bassist but he hadn't heard of it until I asked.
Considering that it's a Bass VI-sized body, I don't expect it to be a lightweight.
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My dealer source told me last Friday that Fender has these in stock ready to be shipped to dealers. But it's new enough that a lot of dealers aren't even aware of it. He's a bassist but he hadn't heard of it until I asked.
Considering that it's a Bass VI-sized body, I don't expect it to be a lightweight.
Having owned a couple Mustangs and Musicmasters over the years, my main issue was they were too small bodied and lightweight. They always felt like toys to me. I'm not looking for a boat anchor but a nice sized body just feels more comfortable and substantial. A little more wood couldn't hurt the tone and sustain I suspect, too. I'm really looking forward to it!
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I LOVE that color! A friend of mine had her Musicmaster painted that color, and turned into a Mustang (sort of).
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I LOVE that color! A friend of mine had her Musicmaster painted that color, and turned into a Mustang (sort of).
Oh my, that's beautiful! The bass is pretty good looking too! :P
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Yes. Much attractiveness all around.
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Matching eye shadow too!
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Oh, and also, I'm a good 6' tall and lanky, and that thing definitely felt like a toy! Sounded pretty great though with flats. That's a Duncan early-style P Bass pup on there.
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Still waiting. Stopped by the HOG yesterday and Kurt said he was waiting to hear from the Fender rep. Just a matter of time now.
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Mine is in transit. Should be here within 12-16 hours.
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Mine is in transit. Should be here within 12-16 hours.
Where did you get it? I see them on eBay already!
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I had special ordered it from Music Store Live in Burlington VT (I'm an existing customer). They hadn't heard of it before I asked about it. They do sell below the allowable advertised price, but I suppose HOG does that for you too.
Had to sell a seldom-played guitar to be able to buy this, but I figure it will be worth it.
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I had special ordered it from Music Store Live in Burlington VT (I'm an existing customer). They hadn't heard of it before I asked about it. They do sell below the allowable advertised price, but I suppose HOG does that for you too.
Had to sell a seldom-played guitar to be able to buy this, but I figure it will be worth it.
Yeah, I have a really good relationship with the HOG. They treat regulars really well. Let us know what you think when you get it!
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The audience is standing by.......... :bored:
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The audience is standing by.......... :bored:
We short scale folks have to stick together! There are some who just don't appreciate the little thumpers.
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I like! Wasn't able to spend a long time with it due to personal issues, so I haven't explored all the nuances of the controls, but it sounds good at every position. I especially like the pick attack of these pickups.
It's a full size body despite the short scale. Good balance and definitely doesn't look like a toy. Very comfy neck profile. I like where my right hand falls. Haven't had a shortie since I sold my Coronado about 8-9 years ago. This is a much better sounding bass (no surprise there) and I'm also really impressed by the fit and finish.
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Good news!
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I chatted with Kurt at the HOG and he said he ordered two Rascals and is still waiting. They probably are one of the biggest brick and mortar single location Fender dealers in the US and they can't get them! He did say a lot of folks ordered them early at the summer NAMM show. So, it's just a matter of time till one shows up in Rochester.
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Very encouraging reports!
I admit I think of this as more than a "little thumper".....
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gretsch%20G6128B%20Thunderjet/20130703_180446_zps1e37addd.jpg)
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I chatted with Kurt at the HOG and he said he ordered two Rascals and is still waiting. They probably are one of the biggest brick and mortar single location Fender dealers in the US and they can't get them! He did say a lot of folks ordered them early at the summer NAMM show. So, it's just a matter of time till one shows up in Rochester.
I don't understand what HOG's problem is. Direct quote from my sales rep's email: "Just heard back from my Fender rep. They are locked and loaded with those Classic Player Rascal basses and can ship one out to me right away." And they did. Remember, this dealer didn't have any on order, they weren't even aware of it until I asked. Yet it was shipped from Fender to them and then to me, all in two weeks time.
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Yeah, it's weird. They usually get stuff for me practically overnight. Kurt did say he was experiencing rep issues. I do suspect a lot has to do with who the rep is, how responsive they are and some of them change every year. I don't think it's a fun or glamorous job! I'm patiently waiting! Sort of.......... :-\
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Very encouraging reports!
I admit I think of this as more than a "little thumper".....
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gretsch%20G6128B%20Thunderjet/20130703_180446_zps1e37addd.jpg)
"Little" only in the sense it's shorter than some basses!!!!! Mine is still my go to bass.
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Mine, too. It just seems to do everything the others do, but in short, comfortable scale while looking faaaaaabulous.
It has my 1963 P-bass sitting gathering dust.
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That Fender is nice looking!
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So I showed pics of this Rascal (it's fun saying that) to some friends and immediately it got positive feedback in the looks department by nearly everyone.
I would pay $799 for it even if it's made in Mexico, but I wouldn't pay that for a MIM P-bass. Those are just too common, it's too easy to find a nice used one for a lot less than that, and if you are quick enough you can get used American made ones for that.
I think and hope this bass does well in the market.
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So I showed pics of this Rascal (it's fun saying that) to some friends and immediately it got positive feedback in the looks department by nearly everyone.
I would pay $799 for it even if it's made in Mexico, but I wouldn't pay that for a MIM P-bass. Those are just too common, it's too easy to find a nice used one for a lot less than that, and if you are quick enough you can get used American made ones for that.
I think and hope this bass does well in the market.
I think it will do well. It's finally an original take off on the jag shape, short scale and custom pups and bridge. And, it's good looking too. Some of those Pawn Shop things were atrocious!!! :o
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So I showed pics of this Rascal (it's fun saying that) to some friends and immediately it got positive feedback in the looks department by nearly everyone.
I would pay $799 for it even if it's made in Mexico, but I wouldn't pay that for a MIM P-bass. Those are just too common, it's too easy to find a nice used one for a lot less than that, and if you are quick enough you can get used American made ones for that.
I think and hope this bass does well in the market.
The Classic Player line is much nicer than the MIM Standard line. Everything is made to one price point or another, and the Classic Player line is made to a higher standard. For example, the the US-made Seymour Duncan lipstick pickups are $70 each street price, while the MIM Standard J pickups go for about $21 each. The Classic Player Triple Tele has three Custom Shop Nocaster pickups, etc. Nothing wrong with the Standards, just pointing out that not all Mexican Fenders are created equal.
And BTW, if you're paying advertised price, you're paying too much. There are dealers who sell below that.
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So.............how's the Rascal? Inquiring minds want to know! ???
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It's rascally. :) Seriously, I've hardly been able to play it much yet. I'm having to take it easy.
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It's rascally. :) Seriously, I've hardly been able to play it much yet. I'm having to take it easy.
No problem. Just makes me want one more so I can see for myself! :sad: Take care of yourself!
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Good things come to he who patiently waits, and +1 btw... ;)
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Sitting n the same row as the others.
Get fixed 1st Dave
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I really like the looks of this one. I'll have to keep an eye out...
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OK, the lil' Rascal came in yesterday and I got it home for a quick run. First impressions are very good. The finish is typical Fender, car showroom quality and depth. The little beast has some weight, which is a real improvement over the Musicmasters of old and current Mustangs. I've been gassing for a short scale jag type bass for some time and was going to build my own if I ever got around to it. I even considered the Squire short scale Jags. I figured I could always upgrade the electronics, but didn't really want to go that route.
Anyway, out of the box, I was pleased that it came in a nicely fitted gig bag. Better than a lot of Fenders at this price point that come with.....nothing! The first thing I noticed was the set up was totally wrong. The individual bridge saddles were cranked way up, the neck was bowed and action was terrible. Guess factory set up is not a forte of the Mexican factory! Of course the truss rod screw is at the heel, so I had to loosen the neck plate screws and tighten the truss rod. BTW, it was not tightened at all from the factory, so no wonder the bow. I gave it a few cranks and put the neck back on and now she's really in great shape. Got to adjust the saddles a little more and check intonation, but we're really close and I love the action I'm getting already. Love the individual saddles too. The Guild bridge is easy to set up.
The other big grin I got from this bass was the manual that came with it. Only in Spanish and no pictures for the visually dependent types. I tossed it. I don't think it was even specific to the model, just basses in general.
So, I've only played it for about 30 minutes and I'm loving it. The push-pull vol control and 5 way are great for providing tons of tonal options. Sounds great through the Mesa M-Pulse. The neck is Mustang like in its feel. Slim and really easy to play. As a SS fan, I'm gonna have to say this will get some playing time. It's going to practice tomorrow night with the M-Pulse. Can't wait!
I hate to make comparisons like this, but I'm hard pressed to see that it is any less quality than my USA Jazz bass. Well made, no obvious flaws. Feels good and sounds great. Enough quality ingredients and workmanship to make one happy with it and it didn't cost a grand to enjoy it! 8) The big difference I see between it and other Mexican and Chinese Fenders I've played or owned is the electronics. The pups in this bass are definitely better quality than many of the other non-USA Fenders I've seen. This appears to be a winning bass product. We'll see how it does over a couple weeks of playing and tinkering. ;D
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/DSCN0748_zpseed932be.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/DSCN0748_zpseed932be.jpg.html)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/DSCN0749_zps739f3a37.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/drbassman/media/DSCN0749_zps739f3a37.jpg.html)
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Dang, that is one GOOD-looking bass!
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Glad you're liking it! Too bad about the setup though. Mine was spot on. Doesn't HOG set it up before releasing it?
With a bowed neck, I have to wonder what kind of warehouse yours was kept in while HOG's Fender rep was getting his act together.
The electronics and hardware are top notch, as good as any American Standard Fender.
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The only weak-point I see, long-term, is going to be the jack-socket, which may not tolerate more mobile players...? :-\
Is some kind of strengthening in that area existent or possible without messing with the general aesthetics of the look...?
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Dang, that is one GOOD-looking bass!
I agree! Now if they just did one in a vintage white finish........ :)
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Glad you're liking it! Too bad about the setup though. Mine was spot on. Doesn't HOG set it up before releasing it?
With a bowed neck, I have to wonder what kind of warehouse yours was kept in while HOG's Fender rep was getting his act together.
The electronics and hardware are top notch, as good as any American Standard Fender.
HOG does do set ups before the sale but I picked mine up still in the box and took it home. I wasn't going to wait for that, I had stuff to do at home!
The neck was bowed because there was zero tension on the truss rod screw. As soon as I turned it a couple times, it was right on. Now the neck is nice and straight and the action is really nice!
I agree regarding the electronics. For a bass in this price range, they are great. A couple more models like this and Fender just might restore my faith in their creativity. It's not just another J or P!
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The only weak-point I see, long-term, is going to be the jack-socket, which may not tolerate more mobile players...? :-\
Is some kind of strengthening in that area existent or possible without messing with the general aesthetics of the look...?
You have a point, kinda like the old Triumphs. Maybe a thin metal plate underneath to give it extra support. IIRC someone here made those for the Triumphs. I got one for mine and it certainly can't hurt to have that extra insurance. I can't remember who did those. Big surprise!
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90 degree connector with cord tucked behind the strap should cure most problems.
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90 degree connector with cord tucked behind the strap should cure most problems.
Wisdom! This is, of course, well known to all P-bass players. The PG configuration is not all that different.
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Right. This is no different than a Precision. You do sometimes see a cracked P-bass pickguard here and there but it's easy enough to avoid. The old Les Paul basses seem more prone to cracking.
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90 degree connector with cord tucked behind the strap should cure most problems.
The simple solutions are the best!
Hey, I was on eBay and there's some California music store listing the Rascal for $1599.00!!!! :o What a hoser!
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The PG on my Bronco has the same configuration, but there are three screws around the jack. I can't see exactly how the Rascal PG is set up but it looks ike there's only one screw at the tip of the PG - like a P-bass. Reasonable care with the cable connector (90 degree type) and strap path should deal protect it.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Bronco%20Bass/PB070031.jpg)
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On a P you have 2 fixings south of the pots... on your Bronco you have 3 fixings south of the pots... the Rascal has a pot level with 2 fixings, then a fair distance south lies another pot, the socket, and a single fixing...
If there is enough timber beneath it might benefit another pair of fixings adjacent the second pot...?
How thick is the plate compared to a P or a Bronco...?
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The 90 will help but once the guard is off you could cut the sides off of a fender washer (no pun intended) and attach it under the guard.
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On a P you have 2 fixings south of the pots... on your Bronco you have 3 fixings south of the pots... the Rascal has a pot level with 2 fixings, then a fair distance south lies another pot, the socket, and a single fixing...
If there is enough timber beneath it might benefit another pair of fixings adjacent the second pot...?
How thick is the plate compared to a P or a Bronco...?
Didn't see this before posting the washer.
I would go this route if there is any meat to be had.
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It is a really nice looker, shape and colour...
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Much ado about nothing, IMHO.
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Played the Rascal at practice last night and it sounded great. The 5 way is a really nice touch. It sounds like a much more expensive bass to my ear. Nothing cheapo about its tone or output. As before, very easy to play and my band mates really like the look and sound of it. Being the short scale addict that I am, I'll be gigging with it for sure. Finally, a keeper! I've turned over a lot of Fenders that didn't play or sound as I expected, but I really am pleased this bass.
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I had a LP Triumph back in the 80s, the problem was the control plate material was very thin.
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Played the Rascal at practice last night and it sounded great. The 5 way is a really nice touch. It sounds like a much more expensive bass to my ear. Nothing cheapo about its tone or output. As before, very easy to play and my band mates really like the look and sound of it. Being the short scale addict that I am, I'll be gigging with it for sure. Finally, a keeper! I've turned over a lot of Fenders that didn't play or sound as I expected, but I really am pleased this bass.
You, sir, are a horrendously bad influence in terms of GAS.
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Played the Rascal at practice last night and it sounded great. The 5 way is a really nice touch. It sounds like a much more expensive bass to my ear. Nothing cheapo about its tone or output. As before, very easy to play and my band mates really like the look and sound of it. Being the short scale addict that I am, I'll be gigging with it for sure. Finally, a keeper! I've turned over a lot of Fenders that didn't play or sound as I expected, but I really am pleased this bass.
Glad it's working out! Did you try the "all three" & "neck & bridge" positions? Those were my favorites, though I didn't get to hear them in a band setting.
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You, sir, are a horrendously bad influence in terms of GAS.
It's hard not to drag folks down in the gutter. You know how misery loves company! :P
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Played the Rascal at practice last night and it sounded great. The 5 way is a really nice touch. It sounds like a much more expensive bass to my ear. Nothing cheapo about its tone or output. As before, very easy to play and my band mates really like the look and sound of it. Being the short scale addict that I am, I'll be gigging with it for sure. Finally, a keeper! I've turned over a lot of Fenders that didn't play or sound as I expected, but I really am pleased this bass.
Did you try it with the master volume pulled up too?
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Did you try it with the master volume pulled up too?
Yep. It gives you two options. Bridge + neck or all three. I kinda liked the bridge and neck, but found that I really liked the middle and neck pups the best as I'm a thumping bass guy! I am also pretty happy with the stock strings. I've been leaving stock strings on more recently and finding they aren't all that bad to play. While I used to be a flats only kinda player, I'm finding the brightness of rounds pleasing. And, not all that hard on my fingers which are pretty tough these days.
From my perspective, this bass is a great addition to the Fender line. Great electronics, a short scale, nice fit and finish, NOT a p or j variation, good weight without being too heavy or neck heavy, nice styling, good pricing. I guess you could say I think it's a winner and keeper.
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I am also pretty happy with the stock strings.
Rounds of the lightest gauge, I wonder ;D ?
I usually toss the stock strings because I want to know which kind of f*&^() strings I'm playing. Materials, brand and gauge make a lot of diffrence to my ears and stock strings that sound great will leave you frustrated when have to be replaced.
I'm beginning to feel a GAS build up for the Rascal. Though I normally detest blue bass guitars I think the coloring of the Rascal looks quite appetising and I'm preparing for the worst ........ :-[
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I agree, nice to see something that's not a P or J. I think the Rascal is kind of a DanoStrat.
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I wonder if the stock strings are just the stock Fender long scales? I've been using them on my AlFeMbic and like them, thinking I might switch to something a bit lower tension though. On the Rascal with the Guild bridge I would be willing to be that long scale would work...
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They're Fender 5250XL. 040-095, nickel plated steel.
Fender strings have been made by D'addario for about 3 years now. I don't know if these are the same as D'addario EXL220S or if Fender's specs are different.
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They're Fender 5250XL. 040-095, nickel plated steel.
Great sounding strings, and my favorite roundwounds for Fenders. I love them especially after they have mellowed down a little.
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I don't find the stock strings excessively high tension. I am a TI guy but have been finding higher tension strings comfortable lately. Not sure why, but I might be getting more flexible in my old age! :toast:
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Just about any 40-95 set on a short scale is going to be low tension.
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Just about any 40-95 set on a short scale is going to be low tension.
Good point. Although the TI rounds are pretty floppy!
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On the Rascal with the Guild bridge I would be willing to be that long scale would work...
I've got Fender Long-Scale Stainless ( .105/.45 ) & Nickel Plated ( .105/.050 ) resp. on my 2 Starfires and they work for me .........
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I've got Fender Long-Scale Stainless ( .105/.45 ) & Nickel Plated ( .105/.050 ) resp. on my 2 Starfires and they work for me .........
I haven't removed any of the strings yet, but it appears to be about 32.25 inches from the tailpiece anchor point to the nut. Using long scale strings with the inline headstock would mean some of the wound portion of the string would wrap around the E post and possibly the A. That's a situation I try to avoid. Works for some people, I know, but it also can cause the outer windings to separate from the core. Been there, done that.
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The fender rascal have now even arrived to the hidden regions of Norway, spotted one yesterday!
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Still enjoying this bass! Will see action at our next gig for sure. As before, I'm liking the stock strings.
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Here she is in action at practice. This bass sounds great with my Mesa rig. I even use the 5-way switch to vary the tone. It's a lot of fun to have this amount of variety at my fingertips. I have to say that it, and my Thunderjet, will be regular gigging basses. I really feel that the Rascal ranks right up there with my USA J bass. It even exceeds it in tonal variety, playability with the 30 inch scale and overall comfort because of its size. It's no lightweight, however. The body size and weight are substantial and feel good when wearing it. Again, this bass is not a toy. The SD pups are top notch and the bass puts out a really nice robust low end that closely matches a 34" scale bass. Build quality is pretty equal IMHO.
If I had to limit myself to only one Fender bass, this would be it. Plain and simple. Again, being a short scale fan means I'm a bit biased! However, I speak from experience. I've owned everything from 51 RIs, to a 70's Telecaster, a 68 Telecaster, a P bass and numerous J basses. So, I've sampled a fair number of solid body Fenders in my lifetime. This and my USA J bass are super instruments. I like playing the Rascal most!
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Some afterthoughts: I think it needs a thumb rest. I do miss a place to rest my thumb. Gonna look into that.
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OK, Bill. Here comes the BIG question:
Rascal vs. ThunderJet: how do they stack up? (Patently unfair question posed onna counta I can!)
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OK, Bill. Here comes the BIG question:
Rascal vs. ThunderJet: how do they stack up? (Patently unfair question posed onna counta I can!)
Good one Al. Well, the TJ feels a bit more compact, the Rascal's neck has a longer feel to it based on body placement. Nothing really big, but different. Both of my basses have rounds on them, so they are easier to compare.
The main difference is in the pups. They both are very strong basses, but I think the chambered body of the the TJ gives it a different voice. The pups on the Rascal seemed slightly stronger than the TJs. The Rascal is typical solid body. It's more aggressive, has a Fenderish quality to it. You could easily do slap and pop on it and think it's a J or P bass. Not so much with the TJ. Not that I do that, but the Rascal is a bit of a cross between a J and a Jag bass in terms of tone and output. The TJ is neither of those things. I think it has a unique tone all its own.
Next week I'm going to try them side by side to see what happens. In recent weeks, I've moved from the neck pup on the TJ to a middle switch position, using both pups. I'm liking that tone much better these days. I want some definition, not too much boominess.
I could play either bass all night long and be very happy.
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I don't have a Thunderjet, but I do have the Billy Bo with chambered body, rosewood bridge post, TV Jones, neck quite high so not flat on the body. It's much more like a semisolid. Much more Höfner-ish. That's why I didn't use it much with The La La Lies and I can also imagine why Dusty Hill doesn't use one. Much more warm, woody and mellow than a Fender -ish bass. I can image the TJ is a bit the same?
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I don't have a Thunderjet, but I do have the Billy Bo with chambered body, rosewood bridge post, TV Jones, neck quite high so not flat on the body. It's much more like a semisolid. Much more Höfner-ish. That's why I didn't use it much with The La La Lies and I can also imagine why Dusty Hill doesn't use one. Much more warm, woody and mellow than a Fender -ish bass. I can image the TJ is a bit the same?
Yes, the TJ is not as aggressive as a solid body, but nothing like my Hofner Club either. It's a bit in between with enough oomph to stand out and be heard. With TI rounds on on mine, it rocks with the best of them without sounding like a p or j bass.
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I find the TJ to be a very versatile bass. It was awfully bright with the original rounds, but it sounds just right (to my ear) with flats. I'm finding it hard to figure out a reason to play any other bass in public.
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I have one in for a review, so here are my first impressions:
The bass really looks good! The colour is so much nicer in real life.
It feels like a long scale, because of the long body and modern P-ish 41mm nut. Well, maybe it doesn't feel ling scale while playing, but it doesn't feel like a toy as a Musicmaster does. (I'm 1.90, which is almost 6ft3 in the strange measurements of you 'Muricans;) )
The middle pickup is positioned at roughly the same place as a Musicmaster, but it sounds opener and brighter.
I can use the three pickups as thumb rests. No problem.
My favourite sounds are:
B/M: tight, Fender-ish, cutting through a mix but with some sub low-ish sound to fatten things up.
M/N: Warm, woody, but still open and aggresive. Never muddy.
M/N, tone rolled off: Vintag-y warmth.
I think you have to play a bit with pickup heights, but the push/pull ads zero to nothing to N or M/N on my review example.
Two other things: the body of this one's really light (the overall weight is just okay) and has some very pretty grained rosewood. A stripe in it. I do like the strange dot positions.
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Thanks for the review, Chris.
Mine is not particularly light, but it's not too heavy and it's well-balanced.
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I find the TJ to be a very versatile bass. It was awfully bright with the original rounds, but it sounds just right (to my ear) with flats. I'm finding it hard to figure out a reason to play any other bass in public.
You're fundamentally correct Al. But bass hounds like me can't help ourselves! The more the merrier! :)
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Thanks for the review, Chris.
Mine is not particularly light, but it's not too heavy and it's well-balanced.
Mine's like Dave's. A comfortable weight for me and easy to play. Feels bigger than it actually is. The body is a big improvement over the Mustang-Musicmaster style.
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You're fundamentally correct Al. But bass hounds like me can't help ourselves! The more the merrier! :)
Hey, you're having a good time! It's odd though, buying that ThunderJet has kind of killed my GAS. I already had an amp that worked great, and with a bass in hand that cost over $1000, I feel like I should work with what I have. I'm even thinking of selling off a couple more of the less-used basses.
If I did get inspired again, based on what I've read and seen here, the rascal would be near the top of my "want" list. But right now an S&W Model 39 is on top of that list.
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Hey, you're having a good time! It's odd though, buying that ThunderJet has kind of killed my GAS. I already had an amp that worked great, and with a bass in hand that cost over $1000, I feel like I should work with what I have. I'm even thinking of selling off a couple more of the less-used basses.
If I did get inspired again, based on what I've read and seen here, the rascal would be near the top of my "want" list. But right now an S&W Model 39 is on top of that list.
Makes sense Al. I'm more interested in the unusual or vintage stuff these days. The Rascal is quite unique, so I couldn't help myself. The ThunderJet looks a lot like a Les Paul but it sort of has its own little niche. I will always be my main SS bass.
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I'm trying to work a deal with my youngest brother to trade me back my S&W Model 39 that he's had for 20+ years. I might make it work if I can find a good used transmission for his pickup.
I think basses are easier.
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The S&W 39 is a sweet pistol. I'd want it back too! I want a 1911 someday, jus because.
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I just picked one up on the Gunbroker.com website. I couldn't make the deal with my brother work, so an S&W Model 39 will be my Christmas present. My wife knows I'm probably going to find the item I want and buy it, then she gives it to me....sigh.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=454003076
I've never shot another semi-auto I liked as well as that one, and the double-action first shot puts it over the top.
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Nice score! Happy Thanksgiving to you!
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Thanks!
Stand by for Thanksgiving day smoker-in-action pix, due on Thursday.
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I see the Rascal is now at MF. That will get it more notice, if nothing else. I'd like to see it sell well since it's something excellent as well as different. But if it doesn't, well, I've got mine. :)
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I agree Dave. I like mine a lot. It's a keeper.
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Played it again at practice last night. It's a great sounding/playing bass. I think it and the ThunderJet will get all of the action at our gig on Saturday.
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I LOVE the Rascal bass...I hope it's a home-run for them.
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New review from Premier Guitar (http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21699-fender-rascal-review) -- nice video review included.
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I wish someone would do these video reviews with broken-in strings. All I hear is "new strings sound".
I'm sure that with a nice set of 2-months old TI's this bass will sound awesome.
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I got some pretty good mellow sound out of that review even with new strings (not my preference either). Maybe I'll sell a couple more basses and wait for a used Rascal to come around. I love the look and the color.
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I thought it sounded fine with those strings too. But I'll bet LaBella DTB flats with a pick would sound awesome. I really dislike the midrangy blur of TIs.
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Me and the Rascal did a fine job Saturday night..........Sounded really good and I didn't think the strings were too bright at all. I played it mostly with the toggle in the middle position. Sounded great to me. That body is a nice size and balances perfectly. Gray rock is alive and well!!!!!
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You're having a good time, aren't you!
My favorite is the neck and middle combined.
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You're looking good, Bill!
And that bass looks like it was MADE for surf music....! 8)
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Certainly looking all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed...!
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You're having a good time, aren't you!
My favorite is the neck and middle combined.
Yes I am! Life is good and worth living.
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You're looking good, Bill!
And that bass looks like it was MADE for surf music....! 8)
Thanks Al, I am feeling good. Still getting normal test results after 3 years. Cowabunga, dude!
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Certainly looking all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed...!
Ah yes, thanks to chemo, better living through chemistry!
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A good friend of mine just received his Rascal today. He loves the thing. I mean LOVES the thing! Some of the reviews he's read I think were by 7ender J and P bass snobs because they were bashing the color and some other things. The hell with them, the Rascal is a terrific looking bass!
I didn't know this but Sweetwater apparently emails you photos of YOUR bass before they send it. Pretty cool.
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It's a great bass. It's still so new that I'll bet few if any of the critics have actually played one.
There will always be some P and J players who will knock anything else. Their loss.
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Haven't seen one yet where I live. I have to ask the local dealer if they are bringing one.
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Mine cost less than half of what I paid for my MIA j bass and I still love how it sounds and plays. Mine is a Fender I could easily have designed for myself!