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Main Forums => The Bass Zone => Topic started by: mc2NY on April 25, 2016, 02:38:25 AM
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I've seen his virtuoso guitar and keyboard playing but this is the first I've seen his bass playing.
http://www.yourepeat.com/watch/?v=hQDFmmougCM
It just came out that Prince was awake for 154 hours before he died. Would love to hear what he was working on during that time.
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The guy could really play!
However, I'm not a fan of that sound or style on bass....it's definitely a guitar solo on bass.
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Sounds like a typical (yes, very well executed) funk bass solo. Coulda been Bootsy.
That's not meant in a derogatory way, or to diminish his talent. I just don't see it as very guitary at all (the pauses + lack of sustained notes+ thumb slaps).
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bootsy would cringe at that. maybe a new genre, noodle funk. :o let me 'splain , please. while prince did several things very well i would hesitate to call him virtuoso on anything. virtuoso is one of those words that get thrown around and applied without much critical thought and too much fan boy input. genius is the other word that comes to mind that suffers the same problems. constant misapplication of these words cheapens the intended definition of such until the real meaning becomes watered down and void. my 2.5 cents
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From the reports I've heard, he could play most of the instruments in the band, and I believe some of his recordings contain mostly his own work. Certainly on the excellent end of the spectrum in terms of playing multiple instruments well.
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I think you sell the little Purple dude short on his playing abilities.
His James Brown move, where he falls backward into the crowd and gets pushed back up on stage is slick.....except he does it while playing a solo!! And his trqdemark move of taking his guitar off and tossing it up high as he just walks away is still cool to see....and he always does it with his real guitar, not some cheap prop. Wonder if he ever broke one by accident? Thta is the Tele he's been playing a long time. He sure must trust whover is on the catchng end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVeUvo5COI&app=desktop
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I've seen that Harrison tribute clip before - it's what first clued me in to his skill level. Say what you want about the man; egotist, sure; a bit surly, I'd believe it (see his demeanor in the Harrison clip); incosiderate, yup (remember the time he trashed a vintage Epiphone guitar he borrowed from a talk show house band player?), but a multi-instrument virtuoso he certainly is as well.
http://www.spin.com/2013/03/prince-smashed-someone-elses-guitar-fallon/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLzrMWjppE
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I'm no slap bass fan, but for someone who is not a really a bassist at all that is pretty darn good.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NN3gsSf-Ys&ebc=ANyPxKr0hCua9wEtMW4UPeJCfGzzV4UoYts6eWvjfnrL1oR1Xzkgfcp5Q2sckAhb6TGtAP6u6iFPtydgZnIV54AJGGkBHhIzTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXFfoeG3hn0&ebc=ANyPxKr0hCua9wEtMW4UPeJCfGzzV4UoYts6eWvjfnrL1oR1Xzkgfcp5Q2sckAhb6TGtAP6u6iFPtydgZnIV54AJGGkBHhIzTA
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Prince worked with Larry Graham a lot. Sounds like he breaks in to a Sly and the Family Stone tune at 2:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXSM6f1epg8
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Which black band wasn't influenced by Sly & The Family Stone's groundbreaking work? Steal from the best.
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Which black band wasn't influenced by Sly & The Family Stone's groundbreaking work?
Body Count and Bad Brains? :mrgreen:
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LOL
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Sigh, I rest my case.
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/peanuts/images/a/a1/Screen-shot-2012-01-16-at-10.50.44-AM-247x300.png/revision/latest?cb=20130114225451)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=kAH6SLn_yCw
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He even played some decent fretless to go with those slap chops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5VtweGf5I
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bootsy would cringe at that. maybe a new genre, noodle funk. :o let me 'splain , please. while prince did several things very well i would hesitate to call him virtuoso on anything. virtuoso is one of those words that get thrown around and applied without much critical thought and too much fan boy input. genius is the other word that comes to mind that suffers the same problems. constant misapplication of these words cheapens the intended definition of such until the real meaning becomes watered down and void. my 2.5 cents
Yeah, I'm on board with this. Since his death, that "Harrison" video has been (re)posted umpteen times with superlatives unnecessarily attached to his solo at the end. There are countless versions of WMGGW on YouTube, and lots of them have solos that are as good as or better than Prince's. The only reasons this is getting accolades now (it's several years old) are: a) it's Prince and b) he's dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3-EXejYao&ab_channel=ReneKaufmann
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Gotta disagree. Good old Healey is a local hero so you think I'd be biased (I am actually not really a Prince fan; had some criticisms of him up earlier), but that solo doesn't approach Prince's at all. There's actually a few rough bits in there. While Prince's is just effortless and bang on.
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As a solo, IMHO, it lacks direction. There's no build, no peak. It's essentially a few decent phrases strung together by bluster and noise. The guitar tone is nothing to write home about either. I mainly included the Healey clip for Phil Sayce's solo (same changes), which kills Prince's (but nobody knows Phil Sayce), and Jeff "plays pretty good for a blind white boy" - to quote Patrick Swayze. ;D
I don't recall anybody raving about his guitar playing before he died. Now all of a sudden the sun shines out of his a-hole. I ain't buyin' it, folks...
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Yes, Jeff is really good and the sloppiness of that solo is uncharacteristic. I assume Phil is that other guy. I found his solo cliche and unappealing. Prince's isn't mind blowing, but there is some cool bits and it's deliverred with gusto and flair. He can't build to a climax because Tom and Jeff keep on coming back with vocals. THAT is how it is so much better - it fits the arrangement, enhances it without distracting from it or stepping on it's toes. He's not just wanking, he could do more crazier shit, but he doesn't, because the song would suck a bit more if he did. I winced at a few points in that Jeff Healey version where it felt like the soloists forgoot that there was a rythmn section still chugging along behind them; not so in the tribute version.
As for tone, whatever, it's subjective and a matter of such minor degrees of difference. It's not a bad tone, but yeah, probably not holy grail tone. We're talking about playing skill - don't confuse the two.
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i agree with lowend1 and what i posted originally. fanboy logic makes people delusional. :o
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Well, I guess it's about time in the debate to bust with the ad hominem. The equally dismissive and invalid but opposite argument which you have now earned is: haters gonna hate. It is possible to appreciate a talent without liking the man or his work.
I agree there is a lot of opportunistic lip service going on. Same as with all of the other famous people that have gone recently, which is why I usually stay away from RIP threads.
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As a solo, IMHO, it lacks direction. There's no build, no peak. It's essentially a few decent phrases strung together by bluster and noise. The guitar tone is nothing to write home about either. I mainly included the Healey clip for Phil Sayce's solo (same changes), which kills Prince's (but nobody knows Phil Sayce), and Jeff "plays pretty good for a blind white boy" - to quote Patrick Swayze. ;D
I don't recall anybody raving about his guitar playing before he died. Now all of a sudden the sun shines out of his a-hole. I ain't buyin' it, folks...
It doesn't matter to me one way or another. I wasn't a Prince fan, but I'm not a critic, either. But on an anecdotal level I do remember my college roommate (quite a good guitarist) raving about Prince's guitar playing. That was long, long ago. It's true he and I had different tastes in music. But I did respect his opinion and tried to listen more closely to Prince's guitar playing from that point on. I don't think all this praise for Prince's guitar playing is recent is my point.
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who hates who? i can admire someone's talent without liking them. if you read the original post i say he can do many things very well. your hang up is the word virtuoso. my post will explain my thoughts on that word as well. try not to get this thread locked, ok.
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I'm late to this thread due to Prince fatigue, thanks to the temporary insanity that's overtaken Twin Cities media. And I don't watch bass solos anyway.
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I don't recall anybody raving about his guitar playing before he died. Now all of a sudden the sun shines out of his a-hole. I ain't buyin' it, folks...
I've never been a fan of Prince's music, and personally he was a real weirdo. But I've heard people raving about his guitar playing for many years. That, at least, is nothing new. Over the years I've seen a few clips of his guitar and piano playing, and his playing always seemed accomplished and effortless in a way most people would envy. No point in debating whether or not he was a virtuoso, but he certainly had instrumental talent.
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fanboy logic makes people delusional. :o
It sure does, and the reaction to Prince's death is a prime example. OTOH he did have genuine talent and he pleased his fans.
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I'm late to this thread due to Prince fatigue, thanks to the temporary insanity that's overtaken Twin Cities media.
Good Lord, Dave, I forgot you were up there. Fatigue? That implies you could take a nap and it would go away.
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This thread is having the effect of making me look at Prince in more of a negative light. I agree that he was displaying a cavalier attitude on the "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" performance. On the other hand, despite being a George Harrison fan, I wish they would stop with all the George Harrison tributes. Most are not too good--with the most recent one being the worst. I'm not really interested in watching Conan O'Brien, Weird Al Yankovic and others singing GH songs.
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Y'know what I wish for? I wish for people to stop marking a musician's passing with trite little observations like "I guess he's up there jamming with Janis and Jimi and Bonzo" or "They must have one hell of a house band up there.". As if the first thing one does in the Great Beyond is to find out where the nearest open mic night is. Furthermore, if those are anything like the ones they have down here, it might not be heaven.
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Y'know what I wish for? I wish for people to stop marking a musician's passing with trite little observations like "I guess he's up there jamming with Janis and Jimi and Bonzo" or "They must have one hell of a house band up there.". As if the first thing one does in the Great Beyond is to find out where the nearest open mic night is. Furthermore, if those are anything like the ones they have down here, it might not be heaven.
Or the reason someone died is because God just had to hear him play. Or God wanted to take guitar lessons from him, etc. I've heard people say stuff like this. People may mean well, but making quips like that might not be the best thing to do.
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i have seen that harrison tribute thing. i like and respect the stuff george has done but twenty guitar players on stage at once does not a good tribute make. of course this is so typical with these sort of things. too bad because george's good work gets beaten to death by the chaos clowns trying to 'honor' him, and getting themselves recognized as sensitive, caring folks as well. :P
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The 2014 "George Fest" tribute concert may have been the worst of all. I agree with this RS review:
Too often, though, these covers suffocate in their own reverence. Excitement to pay tribute to a hero can easily turn into overeager worship, as the Cold War Kids ("Taxman") and Perry Farrell ("Here Comes The Sun") make all too plain. And while a concert full of fiercely faithful, off-the-cuff covers of a legendary songwriter can make for a fun night out, hearing Conan O'Brien sing "Old Brown Shoe" or Weird Al Yankovic perform "What is Life" is far less entertaining on record. With a lineup this eclectic and a songbook as undervalued as Harrison's, a little more adventurousness would have gone a long way.
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Good Lord, Dave, I forgot you were up there. Fatigue? That implies you could take a nap and it would go away.
I wish! Turned on the TV at 8 this morning to get the weather preview. Top story: A search warrant has been executed at the Walgreens where Prince had his prescription(s). This follows the search warrant executed at Paisley Park a couple of days ago. The DEA is involved. Second story: a grandniece of Prince has stepped forward to claim a piece of the estate. She's allegedly the heir of Prince's grandparents who allegedly would have had a share of the estate.
Turned it off and went to an online weather site. If I had kept watching, I might have had to sit through several more Prince stories.
Y'know what I wish for? I wish for people to stop marking a musician's passing with trite little observations like "I guess he's up there jamming with Janis and Jimi and Bonzo" or "They must have one hell of a house band up there.". As if the first thing one does in the Great Beyond is to find out where the nearest open mic night is. Furthermore, if those are anything like the ones they have down here, it might not be heaven.
Yeah, I hate that too. As if any religion preaches that.
Whenever someone says something like that, it reminds me of a co-worker from years ago who often said he wasn't concerned about heaven since he hated harp music and wasn't that fond of cool weather either. :)
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You all do know that Clapton played the original solo on WMGGW? ;)
In an old Guitar Player Magazine interview Duane Eddy said that Clapton did the solo on Something as well. He was at Abby Road studios at the time.
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Nicks has often told the story of how she wrote the song. She wrote it on the day of her marriage to Kim Anderson on January 29, 1983. The newlyweds were driving up to San Ysidro Ranch in Santa Barbara when Prince's song "Little Red Corvette" came on the radio. Nicks started humming along to the melody, especially inspired by the lush synthesizers of the song, and "Stand Back" was born. They stopped and got a tape recorder and she recorded the demo in the honeymoon suite that night. Later, when Nicks went into the studio to record the song, she called Prince and told him the story of how she wrote the song to his melody. He came to the studio that night and played synthesizers on it, although his contribution is uncredited on the album. Then, she says, "he just got up and left as if the whole thing happened in a dream."
https://youtu.be/-gSKeCvSCpw
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You all do know that Clapton played the original solo on WMGGW? ;)
In an old Guitar Player Magazine interview Duane Eddy said that Clapton did the solo on Something as well. He was at Abby Road studios at the time.
George asked Clapton to play on the song. Eric was hesitant and said he wasn't sure it would be such a good idea--that the other Beatles might not want him to. George said it was his song and he wanted Eric to play on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." The rest is history.
However, that's George Harrison playing on "Something." Eric played on many other songs on George's solo albums, though. Every book I have ever read that mentioned "Something" says that Harrison played the solo. This includes Beatles/George Harrison experts such as Simon Leng and Kenneth Wommack. Plus, there are comments from George himself about playing the "Something" solo. Although GH didn't take himself seriously as a musician or a songwriter, it is clear he considered "Something" to be his best song, including, of course, the guitar solo. John and Paul also considered "Something" to be George's best song. Their comments about it can be found in the "Beatles Anthology" book and George's quotes about his solo are in Leng's book.
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Eddy's comments were just 9 years after the recording. (Guitar Player February 1978) Something was also Sinatra's favorite Lennon/ McCartney song. :popcorn:
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Eddy's comments were just 9 years after the recording. (Guitar Player February 1978) Something was also Sinatra's favorite Lennon/ McCartney song. :popcorn:
I haven't read the Duane Eddy article, but I've heard about it. I have heard several versions of what he said. The one that made the most sense is that he was "misremembering" because he had been an observer at various recording sessions, including "The All Things Must Pass" sessions in which Eric Clapton played extensively on George Harrison songs. However, 99.9 % of the world believes that George Harrison played the guitar solo on "Something." Whatever Duane Eddy said, he was probably sincere but also inaccurate.
Along with Sinatra, Michael Jackson also thought "Something" was a Lennon-McCartney song. Also, George wasn't particularly fond of Frank Sinatra's version. (But George did like Hoagy Carmichael songs.)
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When you find a live version of George playing that solo with similar nuances let me know because I haven't been able to find one. Duane was born in 1938 so I'm sure his memory was still fine in 1978.
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When you find a live version of George playing that solo with similar nuances let me know because I haven't been able to find one. Duane was born in 1938 so I'm sure his memory was still fine in 1978.
I'm sorry, but this has reached the point of absurdity. Please find anything that resembles proof to back up your assertions. Are we really sure that isn't Pete Best playing drums on "Something?"
Seriously, it's hard to find George Harrison playing live performances after the 1974 Dark Horse tour. There are a few examples, but even they are unofficial for the most part. If Eric Clapton hadn't pressured George Harrison to tour Japan in the early 90s, we would have very little any of any live performances that were substantive, Even that isn't very well known, although it was officially released as an album in 1992.
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Eddy States that he was at Abby Road Studios when The Beatles were recording Abby Road, not at a George Harrison recording session and that he saw Clapton record the solo. Do you have any photos of George playing the solo or are you just going by what was recollected years later and put in a book? Pete Best played on 6 tracks that were included in the Anthology series and because of this he was able to collect royalties.
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Back to Prince and the local media insanity.
Last night there was an in depth story of a visit to the JW Kingdom Hall where Prince was a member. We were told that no, Witnesses aren't anti-medicine or anti-surgery, and "Brother Nelson" went door to door sometimes like other Witnesses, where a woman once asked him if anybody had ever told him he looks just like Prince. Wow, never saw that one coming. :rolleyes:
Yet another in-depth story featured some kind of therapist trying to explain why people get so wound up in grieving for somebody they never met. The story was complete with attention-seeking neurotics blubbering and bawling for the camera outside Paisley Park. And wouldn't you know it, turns out the therapist herself had made a pilgrimage to Paisley Park. What a surprise. :rolleyes:
Yet another story informed us that Prince gave some large donations to local organizations with the provision that he remain an anonymous donor. And of course now that Prince is dead, a director of one the charities can't wait to get his face on camera and violate that confidence.
After all that, I couldn't bear to watch today.
Apparently sales of Prince's music increased by 42,000 percent in the first four days after his death. I mean no disrespect to longtime Prince fans, but I have to wonder how many new buyers of his music will now claim to have been big fans all along.
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Eddy States that he was at Abby Road Studios when The Beatles were recording Abby Road, not at a George Harrison recording session and that he saw Clapton record the solo. Do you have any photos of George playing the solo or are you just going by what was recollected years later and put in a book? Pete Best played on 6 tracks that were included in the Anthology series and because of this he was able to collect royalties.
First of all, the solo does not sound like Eric Clapton. It sounds like George Harrison. There were 37 takes of "Something." Except for Duane Eddy's comment, literally no one on earth has ever said that that was Eric Clapton playing. I am not just talking about one book. I am talking about all the books, articles, and observations that have been made through the years. If anyone has paid attention to what Duane Eddy said or taken it seriously, it would be common knowledge by now. Instead, one person after the other still talks about George's solo on "Something" as a factual event. I suspect that I could go through my entire life and never meet even one other person who believes that Eric Clapton played the the guitar solo on "Something."
However, in conclusion, I'd certainly be curious to check out anything Duane Eddy had to say, if it can even be found. As of now, I'm going with the musicologists, music critics and historians, all of which believed George Harrison played the guitar solo on "Something." I'm being completely serious in saying this. Would it be theoretically possible for Duane Eddy to be right and the rest of the world to be wrong? Of course, it is possible. But unless I see some kind of proof I would remain extremely skeptical. The burden of proof is on the Duane Eddy account, not the other way around. By the way, I'd be very interested in hearing what Eric Clapton has to say about this matter. He also might be able to clear up the question of whether Jack Bruce also used an EB-3 on Disraeli Gears rather than just the Dano that he has in the pics. I think he did, but others disagree. It would be great if Eric could elaborate some day. ;D
My reference to Pete Best, by the way, was just a joke. I had heard about him being able to collect royalties from the Anthology recordings and think that's very good, too.
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Back to Prince and the local media insanity.
Last night there was an in depth story of a visit to the JW Kingdom Hall where Prince was a member. We were told that no, Witnesses aren't anti-medicine or anti-surgery, and "Brother Nelson" went door to door sometimes like other Witnesses, where a woman once asked him if anybody had ever told him he looks just like Prince. Wow, never saw that one coming. :rolleyes:
Yet another in-depth story featured some kind of therapist trying to explain why people get so wound up in grieving for somebody they never met. The story was complete with attention-seeking neurotics blubbering and bawling for the camera outside Paisley Park. And wouldn't you know it, turns out the therapist herself had made a pilgrimage to Paisley Park. What a surprise. :rolleyes:
Yet another story informed us that Prince gave some large donations to local organizations with the provision that he remain an anonymous donor. And of course now that Prince is dead, a director of one the charities can't wait to get his face on camera and violate that confidence.
After all that, I couldn't bear to watch today.
Apparently sales of Prince's music increased by 42,000 percent in the first four days after his death. I mean no disrespect to longtime Prince fans, but I have to wonder how many new buyers of his music will now claim to have been big fans all along.
I dont have a comment. I only quoted Dave because when you do so, it gets highlighted in a purple-y color. It's just appropriate. (insert "fart of sarcasm" here)
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Purple...? Does that mean a certain well-known British guitarist, who shall not be named, as he ends all threads, according to one of our mentors, can be included in this conversation...? :mrgreen: (can we have a :mrpurple: smiley please Dave...? insert "NO" here ;) )
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Purple...? Does that mean a certain well-known British guitarist, who shall not be named, as he ends all threads, according to one of our mentors, can be included in this conversation...? :mrgreen: (can we have a :mrpurple: smiley please Dave...? insert "NO" here ;) )
When it comes to guitarists, you've only got one list that really matters--
1) RB
2) Everybody else
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For Heaven's sake, don't let Uwe see that... or Dave, for that matter... ;)
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(Cough) Dick Dale (cough) ;D
Running for cover....
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I dont have a comment. I only quoted Dave because when you do so, it gets highlighted in a purple-y color. It's just appropriate. (insert "fart of sarcasm" here)
Should we award a Fart of Sarcasm trophy? Like Rowan & Martin's old Flying Fickle Finger of Fate?
Looks more blue than purple-y on my monitor.
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For Heaven's sake, don't let Uwe see that... or Dave, for that matter... ;)
I'm afraid it may be too late. 8)
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Should we award a Fart of Sarcasm trophy? Like Rowan & Martin's old Flying Fickle Finger of Fate?
You bet your bippy!
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Amusing; but verrrrrrry foolish...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/da/ed/a4/daeda4263b9c9b635bc51f7e9f8af3df.jpg)
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Looks more blue than purple-y on my monitor.
I think it's periwinkle.
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You're talking about me, punks?
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3172194/ritchie-blackmore-camera-smash-o.gif)
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An article which I was just sent for some reason. I found it interesting.
http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2016/05/06/behind-the-curtain-ritchie-blackmore-deep-purple-rainbow/
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Thanks a lot, very interesting piece. Blackmore is a moody old badger, you never know who you are going to get: the asshole, the practical joker or Mr Charm. It translated to his playing on stage too, he could be breathtakingly genius, a listless and bored noise merchant or - this was always entertaining - almost sniping at Purple's music with his runs.
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Thanks a lot, very interesting piece. Blackmore is a moody old badger, you never know who you are going to get: the asshole, the practical joker or Mr Charm. It translated to his playing on stage too, he could be breathtakingly genius, a listless and bored noise merchant or - this was always entertaining - almost sniping at Purple's music with his runs.
In a book about rock music history that I read about a year and a half ago, there was almost a whole chapter just on Ritchie Blackmore's practical jokes. Some seemed quite extreme. I can't quite understand what's going on with stuff like this. I have a relative who is notorious for pulling practical jokes. Yet when she is just being herself she is really nice, unselfish, and even humble. That contradiction between the two extremes is baffling to me.
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http://www.guitarplayer.com/artists/1013/ritchie-blackmore-reveals-details-of-upcoming-rock-shows-in-guitar-player-exclusive/56661
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Danke schön - I'm really curious how this will turn out. If I'm honest, I've seen about the same amount of Rainbow gigs where Blackmore was utterly average as those where he was inspired. Of course, he will be hungry for rock now and want to do something for posterity (a DVD will follow no doubt) plus his electric playing has thankfully slowed down in the decades with Blackmore's Night again - there was a phase especially in the 80ies when he seemed to feel the compulsion to compete with all these young guns shredders that sprang up everywhere and it didn't do his style any good. I like his long notes (and his slide playing), he doesn't need to be faster than the classic Highway Star solo with me and he doesn't even need to be that fast all or even most of the time.