More on the Gibson raid

[eb2]

But the politics are part and parcel of the whole shebang.  So considering the players, I will wait and see. 

Seriously? What is your basis for this?

The fact that Gibson is claiming it is, and the fact that the Obama admin has a history of doing things in a peculiar way.  No angels here.  I will wait and see.

[Psycho Bass Guy]

The fact that Gibson is claiming it is, and the fact that the Obama admin has a history of doing things in a peculiar way.  No angels here.  I will wait and see.

As a separate issue, I certainly do not disagree with your latter point in some areas, but as to the former, the evidence is pretty obvious and damning. What element of good judgement and trustworthiness has Henry demonstrated prior that makes you believe what he says in the least, especially in light of all the evidence that shows otherwise? If Gibson is indicted, how will that change the circumstances that brought them two federal raids?

[uwe]

We won't know until Henry is terminally droned. He always looked a little Iranian to me btw, those delicate fingers ...

It seems logical to me that if you want to kill the Republican Party at the root and install atheist socialism in America, gay marriage and a totalitarian health insurance aimed at eradicating that most sacred right of man, not to take care of yourself and suffer the consequences without bothering others (Ayn't that the random truth?), then Nashville is the compellingly logical, yes even mandatory place to start. And that vile conservative think tank called Gibson there.

I am also amazed at how few of you have made the - again compellingly logical - connection with the flood that hit Gibson first "accidentally". F.L.O.O.D. Geddit? Federal Liberal Oppression Operations of the Democrats. It's their secret organisation. How naive you guys are ...  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIFzR48ABqE&feature=related

[Psycho Bass Guy]

What I can't understand is why the crimes committed by Wall Street and the banks aren't considered 'Class Warfare'.

They can afford PR writers and own ALL the major media outlets. It's only "class warfare" when the peons complain about it. If a private citizen did what Wall Street did, he would be facing a multiple-century sentence. Investment banks got more money. I understand why the bailouts were necessary to an extent, but without taking the opportunity to attach meaningful regulatory oversight to that money, US taxpayers directly paid for the largest 'no strings' private cash windfall in the planet's history.

The White House didn't drop the ball; it HANDED it to Wall Street and seemed surprised when the investment banks went right back to doing exactly the same things as before... except they stopped lending to the middle class and effectively destroyed what little wealth (credit) it had left after the housing market imploded, screwing the whole economy further while rolling in their mountains of taxpayer cash. This kind of fiscal naivete inspired genuine (and legitimate) fear in corporate America that any investment in tandem with Obama would be a lose/lose proposition, both fiscally and politically. The GOP/Tea Party shrewdly has positioned itself as the only viable corporate and employment savior, even though they are just as much to blame as Obama, actually MUCH moreso since their orgy of dergulation in the 1980's created the situation to start with. Their answer to the problem is of course to further deregulate everything in sight and overjoyed CEO's will magically put 10% of the US workforce back into employment.  That unemployed middle class Americans can support this idea is idiocy of the highest order, yet many do support it, giving reasons that range from the absurd to the unbelievable when the real reason is that they're afraid things are only going to get worse, (which they are), and the savior they sought in Obama ended up being a sucker betrayed by his ideals and faith in the political process. Obama wanted to be FDR and ended up being Carter.

That's about as neutral as I can present it.

[Psycho Bass Guy]

It seems logical to me that if you want to kill the Republican Party at the root and install atheist socialism in America, gay marriage and a totalitarian health insurance aimed at eradicating that most sacred right of man, not to take care of yourself and suffer the consequences without bothering others (Ayn't that the random truth?), then Nashville is the compellingly logical, yes even mandatory place to start. And that vile conservative think tank called Gibson there.

Do you think my strategic proximity to Nashville is an accident? Unfortunately, I keep missing all the conspiracy meetings, so I'm not really in the know as to the next step, though i seem to recall it involved Mexican Snow Les Pauls and Canadian-made Avro Arrow-Firebird X's. Henry J may think he holds the key to the future, but the T800's will take care of him. We await only the orders of our Dear Leader Pelosi to quash freedom and SUV's forever!

[uwe]

"Obama wanted to be FDR and ended up being Carter."

That is one perceptive remark I have to say. The Carter analogy struck me today when I read about the Iran conspiracy thing. Carter's reaction to Russia's Afghanistan invasion was a grave historical mistake. What he should have done is call the Kremlin and say "Good thing that your commie boys are down there, can we send you gas for your tanks, of course we will have to denounce your imperialist aggression at the UN, but by all means do stay down there, ok?" That way the WTC would still be standing. Talk about collateral damage and you do not even have to believe in conspiracies.

Re the FDR comparison: Whether it is too little or too much, fact is that the current administration has created a regulation density over Wall Street that is the highest since FDR took office and Wall Street to responsibility for the Great Depression.

[uwe]

Do you think my strategic proximity to Nashville is an accident? Unfortunately, I keep missing all the conspiracy meetings, so I'm not really in the know as to the next step, though i seem to recall it involved Mexican Snow Les Pauls and Canadian-made Avro Arrow-Firebird X's. Henry J may think he holds the key to the future, but the T800's will take care of him. We await only the orders of our Dear Leader Pelosi to quash freedom and SUV's forever!

Wot?   You are a Demiquat sleeper?!!!!  

"Miles to go before I sleep ..."

[Psycho Bass Guy]

"Re the FDR comparison: Whether it is too little or too much, fact is that the current administration has created a regulation density over Wall Street that is the highest since FDR took office and Wall Street to responsibility for the Great Depression.

...but enforcement is nonexistent and the "oversight" organizations toothless. Waving a finger and saying 'bad plutocrat!' isn't going to stop them.  Exactly how many indictments have been handed out and what illegitmate assets seized? Bernie Madoff's theivery was nothing compared to this, yet none of his betters have shared his fate.

[uwe]

But compared to what we have in Europe, your SEC could be called the Waffen-SSEC!!!   But I know where you are coming from, any system is only as credible as its enforcement which is why Gibson all of the sudden sells basses with non-rosewood and non-ebony fingerboards.

Which brings us right back to our original subject before mighty Dave swoops down and closes this thread for veering into that territory which may not be named.  



But surely, in a forum dedicated to the advancement of scientific evidence over myth, a little satire over uncorroberated conspiracy must be allowed, no? Finish does not influence sound, that is not Obama as an albino in the above pic but Lord Voldemort (who is a staunch non-voter I believe) and the pic of the SWAT team at Gibson below has been doctored with!

[Psycho Bass Guy]

That is one perceptive remark I have to say. The Carter analogy struck me today when I read about the Iran conspiracy thing. Carter's reaction to Russia's Afghanistan invasion was a grave historical mistake. What he should have done is call the Kremlin and say "Good thing that your commie boys are down there, can we send you gas for your tanks, of course we will have to denounce your imperialist aggression at the UN, but by all means do stay down there, ok?" That way the WTC would still be standing. Talk about collateral damage and you do not even have to believe in conspiracies.

Wouldn't have gone down that way either. The Soviet invasion was an act of desperation. Mother Russia was trying to shore up its southern flank against a US-puppet Iran and bit off more than they could chew. They never expected the Iranian Revolution to stand. If the CIA had never sent a single advisor to the mujehadin, the simple cost of the occupation of Afghanistan would have forced the Kremlin to withdraw at worst five years later than they did. Bin Laden would have most likely been killed without US support in the 80's, but another fiery jihadist or ten would fill his shoes. Al Queda is a direct outgrowth of Iran. Had the US been smart, we would have played the Soviets into attacking there instead of Afghanistan and pitted radical Islam against atheist communism instead of Western hedonism. Look at how fierce Muslims in Georgia fight against Russia; that's because they know that the Serbs got their training in genocide from Putin, yet you don't see fatwahs from Tehran and Islamabad issued against Russia, and US complicity in Afghanistan would have only inflamed radical Islam in a different way. The Ayatollah designed it specifically FOR the US, and he was an exceedingly intellgent strategist.  

America's problem is that it has spent so many years screwing around with other countries, it stopped taking care of itself and its populace is undereducated, unhealthy, unproductive, and in decline. Education and healthcare, hallmarks of other industrialized nations, are political by-words here and US citizens cannot comprehend that if they don't pay taxes, they can't have those things in any meaningful way.This puts each successive generation at an exponential disadvantage in a world market. Those problems have nothing to do with an opportune terrorist attack on US soil.

[Psycho Bass Guy]

U(we) fixed it.

 BTW, I've been up for FAR too long and I'm very punchy right now. In the interest of the thread, I would ask Dave to prune and move any really badly off-topic stuff rather than close the thread. I think the 'other' discussions are valuable and more historical than political anyway. 

[uwe]

For once it was Henry J himself who dragged politics into a Gibson discussion. 

[Dave W]

For once it was Henry J himself who dragged politics into a Gibson discussion. 

Ain't that the truth!

The fact that Gibson is claiming it is, and the fact that the Obama admin has a history of doing things in a peculiar way.  No angels here.  I will wait and see.

Jim, at this point I don't think Gibson is believable at all since Henry has intentionally tried to mislead the media about this. If he had produced an Indian government official's ruling that says they consider rough fingerboard blanks to be finished, or if he could explain why F&W's interpretation of the moratorium is wrong, then I'd take his side. But he keeps insisting that he had India's approval when he knew he got it by misrepresenting raw materials as finished goods, and he keeps telling everyone how he had been buying these for 17 years while omitting that the law changed in 2008 and the Indian government instituted a moratorium in 2009. And most reporters have failed to call him on this.

US Attorneys are political appointees, and political prosecutions do sometimes happen. But this is still at the investigative level, and the investigation wasn't started at the request of the Justice Department. It started at the bottom with an intercepted shipment, and the F&W officer who intercepted the shipment didn't even know Gibson was involved at first since their name had been kept off the paperwork.

[dadagoboi]

Dave, why let facts and logic spoil a good story?

[uwe]

Dave is great at that. Took all the fun out of breathing finishes and why TV yellow is actually white too.