The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Basvarken on September 26, 2014, 01:41:20 AM
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AC/DC co-founder, guitarist and songwriter Malcolm Young, whose retirement from the band was announced on Wednesday, has been moved into full-time care in a nursing home facility in Sydney's eastern suburbs specialising in dementia, sources connected to the Young family have said... :sad:
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/acdcs-malcolm-young-reportedly-in-care-for-dementia-in-sydney-20140925-10m1hs.html
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Sad. What a horrible way to go out. His playing was the thing I most liked about the band.
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Man, that sucks.
Sad that after decades of drugs and drink to get fked up out of his mind that he would end up that way. The guy certainly had a good run though.
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That's sad, they expected him to join back for the next tour, but obviosly it isn't so. The new album was recorded with his nephew on rhythmguitar who's also going on tour with them next year.
Last album and last tour, sad Malcolm didn't make it.
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one thing leads to another. very sad. i am quite sure that forty years of alcohol and drug abuse helped malcolm end up like this.
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Sad that after decades of drugs and drink to get fked up out of his mind that he would end up that way.
Sad ...... but not at all surprising.
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The best rythm guitarist ever! Hope he gets better...
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Unfortunately, dementia is a very slow but ever steeper downhill run; the brakes have failed; there's a hairpin bend near the bottom; oh, and did I mention the drop, and that there's no guardrail, and by the time you get there you won't remember the journey...
So far, sadly, there is no reversal to this condition...
I can perceive of a number of ends but, imho, seldom are any so bad as this... the slow loss of everything and everyone you've ever known... about as cruel a curve-ball as life can throw you...
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It's really too bad. The one time I saw AC/DC in 1988 will be one of the concerts I remember most. It was also easily one of the loudest! What a blast.
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Damned shame.
Reminds me of how shocked I was when Skip Battin died of Alzheimer's at 59. Dementia is terrible enough when you're older, but early onset makes me even sadder.
Maybe alcohol contributed to it, maybe not. It can't have helped, that's for sure. OTOH teetotalers get dementia too.
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I read that earlier this week - damn shame.
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Very sad news. I still recall the first time I heard Back In Black. I love their Let There Be Rock concert film too. Watched it at many a midnight movie back in the 1980's.
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My mother died at 65 from early onset Alzheimer. It was almost a 10 year slide. Horrible for everyone. Broke my dad he died 9 months after she went. I'm glad I'm adopted.
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one thing leads to another. very sad. i am quite sure that forty years of alcohol and drug abuse helped malcolm end up like this.
Unfortunately living like a rock star is a lot more glamorous than dying like a rock star. Very sad way to go down. I watched my mother do it.
Rick
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Sad, but he will hopefully be excellently cared for and not realize his own condition too much.
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I happened to be watching NBC news the other day when they interviewed Glen Campbell's wife. Glen is about to enter the last stage of Alzheimer's. They told her he would now need to be in a facility with 24 hour supervision. He can't even carry on a conversation anymore. However, he still plays guitar. The doctors have encouraged that and said it's helpful. They showed a recent clip of him playing. It's sad, but if you're an accomplished musician, it seems it can be used to your advantage in such situations. From what I've been able to gather, the part of your brain dealing with sense of direction is what Alzheimer's reaches first and the part which deals with music is what is reached last.
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I was actually wondering whether Malcolm can still play guitar (and surpressed a crack that your memory needn't be all that good if you play AC/DC) - if there is such a thing as muscle memory, he probably can. I'd be happy for him because even with dementia it is comforting to do something physically that still feels familiar. Ronald Reagan raked leaves in his swimming pool for ages with the security guys watching over him. Margret Thatcher repeated banal household chores endlessly (if senselessly) because a lingering memory of them had somehow stuck in what consciousness the disease had left for her.
He'll get the best accommodation, treatment and medicine as well as therapy that money can buy. That is consoling even where fate has hit hard like here.
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My Grandma went out that way. 16 year old me went to Deutschland to see her (living with my aunt at the time) towards the end - before institutionalization was required. It was so mindblowing. Physically fine, but all conspiracy theory upstairs (Both my aunts were evil and out to get her, my female cousin was the devil and the family dog was some hellhound - just my mom and her family in Canada, me by extension, were some great shining hope). She'd run around the yard and squeeze my hand telling me - "see, I'm fine; they're out to get rid of me." I just didn't know what to do with that.
My mom went to see her just before the end. She had been unresponsive for weeks and Doctors told her not to expect much, but when she saw my mom her eyes lit up and she said a few things. Made me sad to ponder the private hell she must have been living in.
My mom is scared to death of going the same way.
Anyway, all the best to Malcom. Peace at least.
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Sad, but he will hopefully be excellently cared for and not realize his own condition too much.
Sad indeed. But even more sad to realise that he probably will realise his condition. He will start to doubt the whole world as it will become more incomprehensive for him every day.
I read that his short term memory is gone. He can't remember he said hi to someone who has walked in the room just a minute ago.
He'll probably remember most of the AC/DC songs because he has been playing them for forty years.
Wonder if it's actually Alzheimers or (more likely) Korsakov?
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My dad has alzheimer's...he's 91.
Scares the shit out of me. Every thing I forget scares me even more. I hope I die before I'm a burden to anyone. Seriously.
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My Mom passed at 83. She smoked for 60 years, and managed to realize her greatest fear - she trailed an O2 tank for the last year or so. She had increasing dementia but was very frail physically, and all four of her kids hoped that her body would give out before her mind did. We felt it would be much kinder to her, as she was a wonderful, caring person and you just don't want your mom to be helpless. As it turned out, her much-abused lungs and frail body gave out first. Her memory had dwindled to about a 5-minute window or less, but she was still there and still mom.
My family and daughters visited her the winter before she passed (she was 1200 miles away in central Washington, in a very nice senior care home near my brother's family.) She was very concerned about giving our girls (ages 14 and 15) good advice about how to conduct themselves, and did so about four times while we were there - the same advice every time. It really drove the point home that she cared about what she was saying.
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Sad indeed. But even more sad to realise that he probably will realise his condition. He will start to doubt the whole world as it will become more incomprehensive for him every day.
I read that his short term memory is gone. He can't remember he said hi to someone who has walked in the room just a minute ago.
He'll probably remember most of the AC/DC songs because he has been playing them for forty years.
Wonder if it's actually Alzheimers or (more likely) Korsakov?
If it's Korsakoff's, music therapy may still be effective. I have a friend studying to be a music therapist and she has had some good results with a Korsakoff's patient.
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My dad has alzheimer's...he's 91.
Scares the shit out of me. Every thing I forget scares me even more. I hope I die before I'm a burden to anyone. Seriously.
Mine too. Dad is 21 days away from 92. His is still mild but it is getting worse rapidly. He's now is in a nursing facility for rehab but he'll never get to leave and if so it will be to transfer somewhere else. His body is failing fast and we believe that is body will give up before his mind does. Still, like Patman and the others have said it scares the living crap out of me.
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Mine too. Dad is 21 days away from 92. His is still mild but it is getting worse rapidly. He's now is in a nursing facility for rehab but he'll never get to leave and if so it will be to transfer somewhere else. His body is failing fast and we believe that is body will give up before his mind does. Still, like Patman and the others have said it scares the living crap out of me.
Visit and spend time now, and try to think of any questions about your family history or childhood you want to ask. That info may still be accessible.
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Visit and spend time now, and try to think of any questions about your family history or childhood you want to ask. That info may still be accessible.
The stuff that happened when Roosevelt was president is like it happened yesterday and the stuff that happened yesterday is like it never happened. So yeah, picking up on things like family history is probably more accessible than it ever was. Sad but true :sad:.
Rick
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About a month ago, I was with dad and he was watching a PBS "music of the big band era" type show.
That afternoon, he was mostly unresponsive, but a clip of Benny Goodman's band came on...there was no intro or anything, just the music and video, and he turned and smiled and pointed at the TV and said , "Benny Goodman".
Was odd how he can't remember lunch, but he remembers Benny Goodman.
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There was a good film about it a while ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5l5J4L1ZdQ
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The stuff that happened when Roosevelt was president is like it happened yesterday and the stuff that happened yesterday is like it never happened. So yeah, picking up on things like family history is probably more accessible than it ever was. Sad but true :sad:.
Rick
I wish I had asked more questions about those early years. Take full advantage, and make notes...or bring a recorder.
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Dementia and other health issues took my stepfather earlier this year, he was a very good, kind man and even though he and my mother were divorced he never stopped caring for her or me and my older brother. He worked as a researcher for NOAA since the late '50s and was very good at his job, retirement was seemingly his undoing, in his last two years of life he couldn't remember me, my Mom was the only person he could remember. He didn't suffer in passing away, he wished to cremated and we (my immediate family) took his ashes to Orcas Island in the San Juans and carefully put the into the ocean at a place we had vacationed at in the 1960s.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtgraWN5-I
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/glen-campbell-shares-poignant-last-music-video-im-not-gonna-miss-you-20141012
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About a month ago, I was with dad and he was watching a PBS "music of the big band era" type show.
That afternoon, he was mostly unresponsive, but a clip of Benny Goodman's band came on...there was no intro or anything, just the music and video, and he turned and smiled and pointed at the TV and said , "Benny Goodman".
Was odd how he can't remember lunch, but he remembers Benny Goodman.
It's embedded somewhere in his mind where even the disease can't reach it. So if I ever get into a similar situation, I will at least still be able to flash a toothless smile when Deep Purple comes on the telly. That's consoling! :)
My mother had hydrocephalus (water on the brain), another one of the great dementia diseases. Before she fell into coma her mind was a wild mix of childhood memories (she didn't recognize me either anymore). Those seemed to be unerasable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtgraWN5-I
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/glen-campbell-shares-poignant-last-music-video-im-not-gonna-miss-you-20141012
Thanks, I want to see that. I have his last few CDs, they were a touching good bye.
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So sad--for both Malcom Young and Glen Campbell.
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Was odd how he can't remember lunch, but he remembers Benny Goodman.
That's actually typical. Same thing with my wife's maternal grandfather - he could remember the war but not that her sister was married etc. or her paternal grandmother, who would repeat things like "these sweet potatoes are really yummy" 5 times during the same meal because she didn't remember having said that already.
Something to do with a dementia-affected brain not being able to form new memory engrams but those already formed in the person's prime not deteriorating or even becoming stronger (because there's nothing else). Long term memory is safe but short term buffer goes to the recycling bin.
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I wish I had asked more questions about those early years. Take full advantage, and make notes...or bring a recorder.
My mother and I were never very close, but after she died I found a journal that she kept for her last few years. She wrote things down during her lucid moments and detailed who she was, who her children were , what she liked and disliked, things that happened in her life etc. She knew she was losing it and kept this as a reminder of who she was. Very sad :sad:.
I learned more about her from that journal than I did when she was alive.
Rick
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In the meanwhile it looks like AC/DC lost another key member...?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-new-photo-no-phil-rudd/?trackback=fbshare_top
(http://wac.450F.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2014/10/ACDC1-630x420.jpg)
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Maybe he was busy promoting his long shelved solo album that is finally seeing a belated release now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khvK-jQMSK8
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Maybe he was busy promoting his long shelved solo album that is finally seeing a belated release now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khvK-jQMSK8
I won't mention how I preferred Chris Slade in AC/DC who gave them some sheen. That is doubleplusnotgood with the AC/DC crowd.
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For those of you who's not heard Glen Campbells record Ghost on the canvas, from -08 if my memory serves me well, I strongly recommend it! Fantastic singing to great lyrics, marvelous guitar playing, strong drum playing, and melodic, rhythmic bass playing. A wonderful record!!!
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In the meanwhile it looks like AC/DC lost another key member...?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-new-photo-no-phil-rudd/?trackback=fbshare_top
(http://wac.450F.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2014/10/ACDC1-630x420.jpg)
Looks like is right...
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/06/acdc-drummer-phil-rudd-charged-with-attempting-to-procure-a?CMP=share_btn_fb
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Here's a Rolling Stone article: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ac-dcs-phil-rudd-arrested-for-attempting-to-procure-a-murder-20141105 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ac-dcs-phil-rudd-arrested-for-attempting-to-procure-a-murder-20141105)
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AC/DC were always rock legends. The band events of 2014 has only made them move closer to the top of the list. I cannot imagine having a great 40 year run at the top of the music world and then ending up in a 6x8 cell for the rest of your life or in a adult home, not recognizing or remembering any of it.
That is the definition of Hell.
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Someone give Chris Slade a call quickly now. He was their best drummer IMHO. I thought his playing on Razor's Edge and that Donnington Live album "thinking man's neanderthal drums". :mrgreen: The man was a machine in a good way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvZBCJozjZ0
And he's not behind the beat, but rather slightly ahead without speeding up.
Why a legal multi-millionaire like Phil Rudd should need to be involved in operations that necessitate the hiring of contract killers is beyond me.
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Hmm. Slade was a good drummer, but I never thought the band sounded as good with him as with phil.
You need phil in AC/DC! Rhythm is personality, and phil´s fits so well with the band. I remember chris as a speedy drummer live - my headbanging couldn´t even keep up with him in the second half of ´for those about to rock`!
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The allegations sound serious. :-\
I wouldn't even know how to contact contract killers, where do you look, in the yellow pages?
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I'm guessing it's meth related? Doing bad drugs, getting involved with messed-up people. I don't mean to stereotype meth users but... Shoulda just stuck with pot!
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That's what I thought too. Such idiocy.
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Highway to Cell
Based on how Rudd looked on the TV coverage of his court appearance, it's definitely meth.
(http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1415248346/101/10712101.jpg)
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It escapes me why people have to take a drug that makes them look so ugly so quickly. I want to be a good-looking corpse.
I hear that AC/DC's web-community is already, errrm, drumming for the return of the bald one.
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I know a good undertaker... reliable type... :mrgreen:
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Chris has been waiting in the wings all these years and keeping in shape ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPlrlW7vELQ
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Last time I saw him was with The Firm, and before that in a bar band called Chuck Farley, with a certain Boz on the bass...
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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-chris-slade-quit/
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It escapes me why people have to take a drug that makes them look so ugly so quickly. I want to be a good-looking corpse.
I hear that AC/DC's web-community is already, errrm, drumming for the return of the bald one.
I saw a documentary on this once that explained it well. It said the first time you take it you feel like Superman. That's the lure. There was also a doctor on there who said that even taking it only once can cause permanent damage. Taking meth has to be on the top ten list of the most insane things a person can do.
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Looks like the charges of attempting to procure murder has been dropped
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/07/charges-attempting-procure-murder-dropped-acdc-phil-rudd
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Highway to Cell
Based on how Rudd looked on the TV coverage of his court appearance, it's definitely meth.
(http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1415248346/101/10712101.jpg)
Holy crap! I hadn't seen that.
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Highway to Cell
Based on how Rudd looked on the TV coverage of his court appearance, it's definitely meth.
(http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1415248346/101/10712101.jpg)
So you judge people by looking at a just out of bed pic on a bad hair day? :o
Doesn't look all that different from his promotional pics by the way...
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/11/06/1227114/544083-6bbdb04a-6554-11e4-9c0d-89afc213d2de.jpg)
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Looks like the charges of attempting to procure murder has been dropped
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/07/charges-attempting-procure-murder-dropped-acdc-phil-rudd
My money says that he'll enter "rehab" to recover from the demons that torment him here shortly - seems like this is a way to get a lesser sentence in the long run ;)
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It's not the hair, Rob, it's the haunted gaze. The man is 60, not 80. And that is how he looked four years ago:
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2014/03/Phil-Rudd.jpg)
Obviously, the healthy life on a New Zealand farm and eating and sleeping right don't age you quite as much. And the luxury accorded to him when he is touring with one of the world's biggest bands doesn't explain that physical deterioration either. Meth does, though there can be other reasons of course, but the difference is more than a "bad day" or an unfavorable picture can explain.
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It's not the hair, Rob, it's the haunted gaze. The man is 60, not 80.
Obviously, the healthy life on a New Zealand farm and eating and sleeping right don't age you quite as much. And the luxury accorded to him when he is touring with one of the world's biggest bands doesn't explain that physical deterioration either. Meth does, though there can be other reasons of course, but the difference is more than a "bad day" or an unfavorable picture can explain.
...seeing a little "meth mouth" in those new pics as well.
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He obviously doesn't bother (anymore) to put his false teeth in... ???
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more here. i hope he is o.k. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/music/news/article.cfm?c_id=264&objectid=11355209
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I think a song is in order here...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepRBMXKCFs
or maybe...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOTMw0o1ELM
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Anyone heard the new album yet? It's surprisingly poppy, Brian Johnson doesn't sceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam all the time but sometimes actually sings in his pleasant lower register (he always had, but was hardly allowed to use with AC/DC).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIDQwGbMkho
Hey, and Cliff Williams plays bass runs on a couple of songs! A bit more diverse than your usual AC/DC fare, but still unmistakably AC/DC - with a touch of CCR in places. Or Georgia Satellites. There is also a Led Zep pastiche:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMsDFBbbQYs
The single is ironically one of the very typical AC/DC tracks, B-B-Back in B-B-Black revisited:
http://www.dooloop.tv/#!video/4148028/acdc-rock-or-bust
And that is not Phil Rudd drumming. Or Chris Slade or Simon Wright for that matter.
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There were hints on Black Ice that their sound was changing a bit.
Just a hair, but as Uwe said, still AC/DC.
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With the exception of Hell's Bells I actually prefer AC/DC when they play major chord scale harmonies. Stuff like You Shook Me All Night Long. Their minor stuff usually isn't dark enough for me as coming from the Judas Priest school of things. (Priest otoh sound a bit awkward when they are in major rather than minor mode. Living After Midnight always sounded silly and the minor breaks in it forced.)
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My favorite song from them, by far, to this day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEhMjZGJQ-Y
You know, it's too bad about Malcolm. People comment that he's had such an exciting life, but I can't imagine existing in a state where I couldn't recall what my own life had been.
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With the exception of Hell's Bells I actually prefer AC/DC when they play major chord scale harmonies. Stuff like You Shook Me All Night Long. Their minor stuff usually isn't dark enough for me as coming from the Judas Priest school of things. (Priest otoh sound a bit awkward when they are in major rather than minor mode. Living After Midnight always sounded silly and the minor breaks in it forced.)
I always felt the same! I really like AC/DC, but during my teen years I had a brief but intense Priest period. Some of their songs (and lots of their guitar riffs/solos) are great, but I guess i was too puzzled by how one album could be so uneven. After hearing ´realms of death´, you dont´t want to flip the LP over and listen to Smokie...
As for the new AC/DC album, well I´ll probably want to see them if they tour again, but I pay little attention to the recent recordings. I know it´s a silly thing to say, but there is too much riff recycling. I don´t blame them, I have had a great time following them since 1985, by when people already thought the new albums were recycled old ones.
After back in black, their albums have a couple of good songs and sounds like good rock overall at best. Even the albums that sold well, they only take one or two tracks of it to play live. Last time I saw them, they didn´t even play ´ anything goes´which I guess was a single going good at the time. Fine with me, I buy the new album, play it once with a beer, have a good time. If a Smokie song arrives (moneytalks, anyone?) I just go and make a sandwich or just skip it.
I do like that they have that live recorded feeling, but must admit that the two - three last albums sounds somewhat more sterile than (don´t shoot me) flick of the switch and flly on the wall, which, although maybe not their finest moments, packs a decent amount of identity. I listen to them, and I´m immediately put back to the mid 80´s.
Cant imagine myself listening to black ice in 20 years, close my eyes and think : yeah... 2008 - those were the days..
But who knows..
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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-chris-slade-quit/
Huh... A Firm reunion doesn't seem like a bad idea. Paul is done with Queen, Plant won't do the Zep thing, Chris sounds into it, and Tony's thing with JLT is likely going nowhere fast.
I admire Slade's honesty about the somewhat youthful foolishness of leaving a major band like that.
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"After hearing ´realms of death´, you dont´t want to flip the LP over and listen to Smokie ..."
Huh???, Exciter (the first track on the flipside of JP's Stained Class) sounded to you like Smokie? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO2DYwvseiY
"I admire Slade's honesty about the somewhat youthful foolishness of leaving a major band like that."
Yup, I read that interview too a while back, a nice, collected man without any bitterness. Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Uriah Heep, The Firm, AC/DC and (the other) Asia is no track record to be ashamed of.
I always found that The Firm as a band got too much unfair flak, their two albums didn't set the world afire, true (Rodgers has never been an innovator, no matter which band he was in, he just sings well), but certainly didn't pale in comparison to the last Led Zep and Bad Co lukewarm offerings either. Bad timing, they existed at the wrong time me thinks.
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Forgot he was with Manfred Mann. Their version of Springsteen's "For You" is great!
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As I recall, Chris Slade got his first break with Englebert Humperdink.
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It got better from there.
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Great, they'll tour next year.
Got 2 ticket for the concert at the Imola Racing track. Damn tickets got burned in less than 15 min....
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Visiting an old thread. I saw this, and thought of you guys immediately. 8)
http://eveningharold.com/2015/04/21/acdc-drummer-sentenced-to-whitesnake/ (http://eveningharold.com/2015/04/21/acdc-drummer-sentenced-to-whitesnake/)
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:mrgreen:
But I'm not surprised how the real criminal proceeding against him has turned out. And the other guys from AC/DC must have seen it too or they wouldn't have dumped him so quickly immediately after just having recorded an album with him.
All good for Chris Slade who can now really improve his pension. But he is an ace drummer and - unlike Herr Rudd - a nice man, so he deserves it.