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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Basvarken on February 20, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
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I'm not a big Iron Maiden fan anymore (used to be when I was a teenager).
But I think this is actually really cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ab4VceW-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szTJlsRRfO8
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As I recall, this was something that was public knowledge a number of years back, and I believe he also piloted some rescue missions in the Middle East.
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It's a new plane Gary. A Boeing 747! Much bigger than the previous plane he flew.
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He's been working as a commercial pilot (a-la-Morse) on Boeing 757's for some years... he flew in supplies to NY post the hurricane a few years back, being the fist one to land as soon as the relevant airport opened, so the story goes...
The original Ed Force One was a 757...
He also flies and has stakes in a Fokker dri-plane replica over here...
Saw him on Ice Pilots flying a DC3 and a DC4... and iirc, a DHC Otter with floats...
Quite an accomplished pilot...
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He did his flight training with my next door neighbour, and waaay back, my mother in law was his fencing coach
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I wonder how they get insurance for all this. If Ed Force One crashes, the whole Iron Maiden organisation is wiped out. Our life insurance gets the creeps if there is more than a certain number of partners of the firm travelling in one plane.
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... Our life insurance gets the creeps if there is more than a certain number of partners of the firm travelling in one plane.
If someone else was up front of the bus and it crashed it would not make much of a difference to those on the back seat, and as for the highlighted section, think Lynyrd Skynyrd... :sad:
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Maybe they had an escape pod installed. It worked for president Indiana Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yglw5MlggAI
And no, the real AF One doesn't have one.
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Not even a jet seat for the Pres?
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Just in case ... no, el-Presidente can not travel from the front to the back of AF1 on the cargo deck, as he did in the film, as the wing-spars and undercarriage bays tend to get in the way...
AF1 can refuel in flight though...
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Bruce may be a fine pilot. He's not such a good driver... :o
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-plane-badly-damaged-in-collision-at-santiago-airport/
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Ouch, I'm sure they can buff that out ;D
At least the engines weren't running at the time or it would have been much scarier for the tug driver.
I love how they like to emphasize that Bruce is the pilot. I'm sure there are times when he actually pilots the plane but it's a wet lease with a full crew so I'm sure in reality he spends more of his time resting than "working" the flight
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This I would hope. And not that he hits the cockpit immediately after a gig.
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Bruce may be a fine pilot. He's not such a good driver...
According to the Blabbermouth article:
"The band .... revealed that none of its members and equipment were on board at the time"
"The incident occurred when Ed Force One was tethered to a tow truck ..... to be taken for refueling prior to flying over the Andes to Cordoba. On moving, the steering pin that is part of the mechanism that connects the ground tug to the aircraft seemingly fell out. As a result, the aircraft had no steering and collided with the ground tug, badly damaging the undercarriage, two of the plane's engines and injuring two ground tug operators, both of whom have been taken to hospital."
That would mean that the plane was at the gate and being dragged out by ground-crew, not under power from the flight-deck. Dickinson had nothing to do with this. I smell a substantial lawsuit coming against the Benítez International Airport for negligence .....
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Run for the
hills Andes, you dastardly sabotage Chileans!!! Eddie's wrath will be upon you!!!
(http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2013/02/2013-02-18-iron_maiden_eddie_trooper.jpg)
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Apparently all that luxury is a requirement to keep Janick in top dancing form. Those are some crazy moves ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFyrlCcs70
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Rather pathetic.
Makes me cringe.
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He's always done that, even as a young man with White Spirit and Gillan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSCTkF0_k24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vod3Mbm5yio
Let him, the Iron Maiden fans love him for it and the other two guitarists can't really be bothered with stage moves (at the same time their duo-chugging-the-riffs gives Janick some athletic freedom). Quite a few of those moves are actually typical Blackmore gyrations (who borrowed his share from Hendrix it has to be said), the type you would also see with little Yngwie in the 80ies. Gers is a Blackmore nut - as you cannot only see, but also hear.
Iron Maiden has - in any incarnation - always been either cringeworthy or disarmingly down to earth and a band of the people, choose your sides, gentlemen! You're just so harsh on them, Rob, because you have the "estranged lover-syndrome" as a former fan. ;D I always found them a little naff, even when they were still opening for Priest, but they haven't become any naffer over the decades. Just consistenly a little naff, but endearingly so.
Oh my, Iron Maiden (the song) is not exactly one of their more noteworthy compositions even if you mean well with them. :mrgreen: It sounds just like it came out of the rehearsal space it did emanate from. At this point, Steve Harris was no Brian Wilson (and judging from the backing vocals still isn't).
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With Gillan it was nowhere nearly as ridiculous as it is nowadays with Iron Maiden. His share in guitar parts is so diminished, he must be bored out of his brains. So he decides to make a complete fool of himself with not so smooth guitar acrobatics copied from an era long gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaW-w3mZkgk
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The first thing I thought when I saw that video is that he seems to be trying to emulate DLR era Steve Vai :)
He looks like a complete clown doing that in group like Maiden. But if a group like Babymetal has fans I'm sure that Janick has his.
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Steve Vai would have made a premier league ballet dancer and I'm not joking. The way he slinkily moves across the stage in his very own fluid style is unsurpassed (I saw him live with Whitesnake and, ill musical fit that he was, he outmoved and outplayed them all that night and WS were a very image- and stage moves-conscious band in 1989) - I agree that in comparison Janick looks like a truck driver at a yoga session, but, come on!, he plays with Iron Maiden, you can't afford to be too artsy for that type of work. :mrgreen: In any case, Judas Priest were always both musically and stage moves-wise the more elegant band, it helps if you have a gay guy in the band with an eye for this! Here, at 2:07, (the other) Rob and his boys show you how it's done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpC0qjfrA_Y
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Haha yeah very elegant. :mrgreen:
I can't watch Judas Priest without thinking of these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dytxv6XPa3E
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That owes (musically) more to Foghat though (as does the bassist's 'tache)!
Spinal Tap has cult status among heavy metal fans and bands - and there is not one musician in the genre that denies that nearly all of its observations were true (yes, Halford has lost his way trying to find the stage for the band's intro, he eventually made a habit of it singing "Electric Eye" as the opener unseen for the first verses, and, yes, he's also fallen off his motorcycle or crashed it from the stage). Says a lot about the selfdepracating nature of a niche of music that is generally identified with being less than self-reflective and/or humorless.
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Wow... I wasn't aware of his moves. I've never seen Maiden live, but I did watch their "Flight 666" DVD and thought it was great. I don't recall seeing any of his antics. Maybe they were edited out, or *I* edited them out?!?! :P
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Come on, it's the final part of their marathon show, they are only giving the people what they want. It's no different than the final number at a Kiss concert.
That said, I think that by a stretch Adrian Smith is the best musician and certainly the best guitarist in Iron Maiden. But when he returned to the fold, they kept Janick because he was (i) a nice guy and (ii) much more extroverted on stage than either Adrian or Dave (Murray). So he is doing what he got (and kept!) the job for.
That doesn't change my view that - given the possibilities - Iron Maiden are severely underselling the three lead guitars potential and it's all rather hamfisted. But that is Iron Maiden for you and probably also why they still fill stadiums when no one can really tell their records and songs apart. Kind of like the Stones. Eddie and his cohorts have become an institution, their concerts an event you go to even if you haven't bought a CD from them for the last 20 years.
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I find it hard to believe the Iron Maiden fans want to see someone juggling with his guitar instead of playing the damn thing.
http://www.metalstorm.net/forum/topic.php?topic_id=29194
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I find it hard to believe the Iron Maiden fans want to see someone juggling with his guitar instead of playing the damn thing.
http://www.metalstorm.net/forum/topic.php?topic_id=29194
When there's two others doing the job just as well if not better?
I liked Gers' obviously Blackmoresque style when he was poached from White Spirit for Gillan, but if truth be told: Bernie Tormé, while not as technically adept as Janick, had more heart and attitude. Something died with Gillan when he left and Gers just administrated the leftovers. I saw him with Gillan once, he was more melodic than the "punk with a Hendrix influence"-Tormé, but Tormé was captivating on stage with his Adam Ant look.
I've seen Maiden with Gers (the tour when Bruce and Adrian returned) and his solos were flashy and designed to impress the unknowing eye, but they had none of the musicality of Adrian Smith as he hid behind his mic stand and concentrated on his fretboard. The third guitarist does nothing for me either way, he's a NWOBHM shredder if there is such a thing.
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The only version of Gillan I didn't see (afaik) was the exact lineup that recorded "Gillan", and Liam Genocky only played a handful of gigs with them... hands down, by far the best guitarist was Steve Byrd, but the night Mr B came on really put the nail in the coffin, from the look on his face that night...
Saw Mr Gers with White Spirit and the last incarnation of Gillan, but always though his style, even down to the antics and moves, were very much a Blackmore clone... not that I didn't enjoy his playing...
As for poor ol' Bernie "Mr Whammy Bar" Torme, everything was loud-as-pos and smack the whammy as close to/far from the body of the old start as he could... saw him pre and post Gillan, one time supporting the pre Lord/Paice Whitesnake...
Only ever saw a very early version of Maiden, with Big Den as one of the guitarists and Mr Dickenson with Samson fairly early on but never with Maiden...
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You saw the gig where Blackers jammed with Gillan trying to lure the latter into Rainbow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbcQYlIihY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBlS7sh9QiA
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Haha, there goes another thread sucked into the Ritchie Blackhole :popcorn:
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Rob, lay off me, I just got a speeding ticket from your darn country - for driving 108 km/h in a 100 km/h zone. It's costing me EUR 57 so obviously my moffen license plate was the decisive factor!!! I'm climbing into my Ju 52 as I write ...
(http://www.fjr6.com/FJ-LEHR/fjlehrkompaniecom/Board%20Ju-52.JPG)
Besides, a thread about Janick Gers is as prone to mention TMIB as a Randy Hansen thread would be to mention Hendrix. Janick has sucked Ritchie in and given the fact that Steve Harris favours Deep Purple over Led Zeppelin too (as does Bruce Dickinson, his Ritchie is called Ian Gillan), that probably was a decisive factor too for Janick landing the job with Iron Maiden (and the one before with Gillan, of course). Come to think of it, even Judas Priest (initially monikered in Germany by rock critics in the late 70ies as a "poor man's Deep Purple/Black Sabbath crossover in Village People garb") had/have more Led Zep ingredients in their music than the Maidens do.
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Rob, lay off me, I just got a speeding ticket from your darn country - for driving 108 km/h in a 100 km/h zone. It's costing me EUR 57 so obviously my moffen license plate was the decisive factor!!!
That happens to me all the time... :o
An expensive hobby :mrgreen: