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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: godofthunder on November 15, 2020, 05:07:30 AM
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I really can't say much more than some of the rumors are true. Exciting Thunderbird news coming in 2021. I will post more when I get the go ahead. That is all
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:popcorn:
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What rumors? Could you tell us some of them and we can guess at the true ones until you verify them?
Custom colors? New pickups? Another NR run? ???
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I would buy an NR if it had a thinner body and neck. I was so disappointed when I received the blue NR that I sold my Bach NR to make room for. the Bach was so much more to my liking.
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Considering the popularity of the Epi TB Pro, I can imagine where this thread is going.
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Considering the popularity of the Epi TB Pro, I can imagine where this thread is going.
My thoughts too.
Let's just hope they don't do anything crazy like putting P/J pickups in.
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I know some news for a while. But I'm not allowed to tell :(
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Geddy Lee inspired NR reissue with a Badbird bridge?
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Not a Gibson expert but if Mark Agnesi was involved like in the Les Paul and SG guitar lines, then my guess would also be something like the Epi TB Vintage Pro.
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I know some news for a while. But I'm not allowed to tell :(
Can I assume no left-handed models of said forthcoming mystery basses?
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Can I assume no left-handed models of said forthcoming mystery basses?
You know "assume" makes an ass out of you and me..... :-*
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You know "assume" makes an ass out of you and me..... :-*
Let's keep your ass out of this discussion, lady.
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Let's keep your ass out of this discussion, lady.
It works it's way into just about everything :gay:
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It works it's way into just about everything :gay:
Not the other way around? :mrgreen:
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
You and your convoluted convulsions of logic.
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Not a Gibson expert but if Mark Agnesi was involved like in the Les Paul and SG guitar lines, then my guess would also be something like the Epi TB Vintage Pro.
Was he involved in design decisions? Is that part of his job?
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He said in an interview last year, "I do have a role in a little bit of product development", and I assumed that given his known love for vintage specs, but you're right. I do hope that the direction we've seen with LPs and SGs under the new management will continue with the TB.
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Wot, no black hardware?! :rolleyes:
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Wot, no black hardware?! :rolleyes:
Well, people put chrome hardware on modern Thunderbirds. Nothing to stop us from putting black hardware on vintage reissues. Of course I say "we", as if there will be any left-handed models.
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Wot, no black hardware?! :rolleyes:
If nothing else, they could likely up their sales of any Thunderbird were they to at least offer a choice in hardware, they do so much for the guitar side and yet play this stilted, stolid and often baffling game with basses, it leave even the most ardent fan (me) shaking my head frequently.
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It's like they have no interest in being competitive in the bass market. Why do they bother? Just be a guitar company if you don't want to cater to bassists. God knows there's enough used Gibson basses out there to last two lifetimes. And that's just in Uwe's office building! ;D
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Disagree; it's not enough with all youze hoarders, especially Uwe, expatriating them to his European bass gulag ;)
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I just hope they leave that little DC Jr bass in the lineup .
Great little thing .
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Disagree; it's not enough with all youze hoarders, especially Uwe, expatriating them to his European bass gulag ;)
Are you border-skirmishing again, you darn Polack?! :-*
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Just trying to get my black ops team in to liberate some of them under the guise of inspections to confirm reports of Instrument-rights abuses.
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Just trying to get my black ops team in to liberate some of them under the guise of inspections to confirm reports of Instrument-rights abuses.
:D :D :D
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I just hope they leave that little DC Jr bass in the lineup .
Great little thing .
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+1 :)
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I just hope they leave that little DC Jr bass in the lineup .
Great little thing .
I have some doubt that they will, but I hope they do.
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Not sure if this will end up Gibson or Epiphone, but the Embassy seems to be back, at least at Zzounds, in some interesting new colors.
https://www.zzounds.com/item--EPIEBEM?siid=283620
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Not sure if this will end up Gibson or Epiphone, but the Embassy seems to be back, at least at Zzounds, in some interesting new colors.
https://www.zzounds.com/item--EPIEBEM?siid=283620
Pretty decent price on that at $399.
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I just bought a black Embassy and it sounds great. Here's hoping Gibson follows its "budget" line's lead.
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Anyone spilling any beans yet? It's only ten days until 2021.
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... Which means only 375 days until 2022... :mrgreen:
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Anyone spilling any beans yet? It's only ten days until 2021.
I sure haven't heard anything. NAMM is scheduled to start on January 20th and rumors usually start flying a few days before, but I don't know if it's going on as usual considering the pandemic. It's in California which is pretty locked down right now.
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In person Namm was canceled. It will be online only. That's going to be zoom hell I imagine.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/story/2020-08-13/namm-cancels-in-person-2021-show-moves-online
https://attend.believeinmusic.tv/
Hopefully, there will be some previews of new Gibson basses to see.
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In person Namm was canceled. It will be online only. That's going to be zoom hell I imagine.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/story/2020-08-13/namm-cancels-in-person-2021-show-moves-online
https://attend.believeinmusic.tv/
Hopefully, there will be some previews of new Gibson basses to see.
Thanks. Not surprising under the circumstances.
Scott has promised there will be something new, so I imagine we'll see a preview from Gibson.
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I always was very easy with getting sectrets out, but as editor of a bass magazine brands are looking at me and they a bit more controlling.
I know one thing for now, I'm sure more news will follow, and I hope I can tell it soon.
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I always was very easy with getting sectrets out, but as editor of a bass magazine brands are looking at me and they a bit more controlling.
I know one thing for now, I'm sure more news will follow, and I hope I can tell it soon.
Are you allowed to say if there's anything for left-handed players?
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Not that I know of yet.
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Not that I know of yet.
Thanks. I assumed so. I just have to make my own. TBA.
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Last I heard, they were still planning on Summer NAMM 2021.
However with more than 500,000 deaths projected by then, it seems likely to be canceled.
https://www.namm.org/summer/2021
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend
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Saw this on Facebook today:
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This THIS the thing Scott was talking about, or will there just be a whole slew of weird new Gibsons and Epiphones coming out?
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No it's not the big secret that Scott is keeping from us.
This is just a Gene Simmons cash cow.
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This is just a Gene Simmons cash cow.
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/08/AP17213624655894_Fotor-1024x640.jpg)
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Sorry but that bridge really spoils it for me - 3 Point or Death! :gay:
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It's a mystery to me why Gibson doesn't switch over to the Advanced Plating Thunderbird bridge and tailpiece now that it's readily available, especially for their US models.
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The cow is a riot. No Genes lates cash grab isn't the bass I am talking g about .
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The cow is a riot. No Genes lates cash grab isn't the bass I am talking g about .
Thank goodness for that.
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It's a mystery to me why Gibson doesn't switch over to the Advanced Plating Thunderbird bridge and tailpiece now that it's readily available, especially for their US models.
As Gibson (allegedly) don't manufacture outside of the US, aren't they all US models? Or are you saying that only the US market should have a two part bridge and the rest of the world can go swivel on it?
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Wasn't Gene on record how he prefers symetric body basses with two horns (LP Junior, Grabber/Ripper, Punisher) to one-horn basses (his blade axe being an exception purely for visual impact, not ergonomics)? Addding helpfully that in the animal kingdom two horns rather than one are the rule too - he obviously never saw a pic of a narwhal(e) ...
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/05/drone-footage-narwhal-tusk-mystery/
Well, I guess a TBird (which I think he only played in the past once - in the Phantom movie) is a "no-horn", so albeit non-symetric it defies the above classification.
And of course, the narwhal(e)"tusk" is actually an elongated tooth (used to daze prey fish by hitting them over the head as I've now learned from the above vid), not a horn.
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I'd say Gene was always horny enough to make up for the lack of horns on his basses.
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I guess with all this horn stuff being thrown into the mix, it should be noted that Thunderbirds have always been known for being well hung, and as for length... :mrgreen:
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As Gibson (allegedly) don't manufacture outside of the US, aren't they all US models? Or are you saying that only the US market should have a two part bridge and the rest of the world can go swivel on it?
I'm guessing that Brad was including Epiphone.
Wasn't Gene on record how he prefers symetric body basses with two horns (LP Junior, Grabber/Ripper, Punisher) to one-horn basses (his blade axe being an exception purely for visual impact, not ergonomics)? Addding helpfully that in the animal kingdom two horns rather than one are the rule too - he obviously never saw a pic of a narwhal(e) ...
I know it's hard to believe, but Gene might possibly forsake his symmetric principles if the money is right. Don't be shocked.
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Oh Dave, how I hate your low opinions of people! 8)
I would actually expect a Genebird ($underbird?) to be active. It's not that much a departure from a Punisher which was all mahogany and neck-thru too; he's gonna miss that easy high fretboard access though for all his trademark slides.
I found this here:
https://youtu.be/39plVZSvKSk
He starts playing at 01:20 and it again goes to show that Gene isn't a metal bassist at all, but very much from the late 60ies/early 70ies school of busy pop bass playing.
He's aware of it too:
Was McCartney an influence on bass?
"I didn’t think of it like that, but once I’d picked up the instrument I understood where A and G and F were because it was the same layout as a standard guitar. My mother was very sweet and bought me a Gibson SG Standard, a very decent guitar to start with. I had to play it acoustically as I didn’t own an amplifier, but I started writing songs with that.
"It was a different style back then, inspired by Lindisfarne, very picky and folky, aimless melodies with no hooks or choruses. Which is why they didn’t become a big band... But clearly were it not for McCartney, I would never have understood that the bass didn’t just have to hold down the bottom end like the great AC/DC, and it didn’t have to be funky like Motown.
"I found there was another thing, almost like a string quartet, where the cello has its own melody against the rest of the instruments. McCartney’s bassline in Michelle; it’s classical. Classical bass playing is pivotal in the way that he approached it, and that’s possibly because he wasn’t originally a bass player. He used it as a melodic instrument rather than as a rhythm instrument tied to the drums."
If you want to read more:
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/gene-simmons-many-guitarists-call-their-instruments-axes-but-nobody-trademarked-it-except-this-guy
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Just how many final tours or gigs have they played now...?
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Less than Ozzy!
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Less than Ozzy!
:mrgreen:
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I'm guessing that Brad was including Epiphone.
Yes, specifically the Embassy and Thunderbird Vintage Pro models.
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better pics of the GS Tbirds:
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/133989694_3554224064666958_5270680314132427732_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=KIglxpigCy4AX-QXsPA&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=707c6703432bc5d5f312bbecd26e14bd&oe=60109336)
(https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/133963748_3554224181333613_6080485111023861521_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=j4JTSFmfNlUAX_uiDfJ&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=ef5089854ba4d344f7859203eff97728&oe=60104E20)
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The white-bound one is very pretty.
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better pics of the GS Tbirds:
I'm still trying to figure out what logo that is on the pickguard, other than a couple of guitars crossing necks.
I do really like those inlays. Like a variation on the classic split diamond logo.
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It looks very much like a Thunderbird and a Flying V Bass with a skull wearing sunglasses motif. I couldn't get the resolution up any higher.
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It looks very much like a Thunderbird and a Flying V Bass with a skull wearing sunglasses motif. I couldn't get the resolution up any higher.
Thanks! Still weird. Hopefully we'll find out more context for these basses soon.
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Does that mean there will be a Flying V bass with bindings too?
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Honestly the GS Thunderbird is probably something that I won't buy. Clearly bassed on the post '87 "modern" Thunderbird I've pretty much determined that they are not for me. As much as I love KISS my fascination with them and their gear ended after Alive II and that's stretching it. If I want a Gene Thunderbird I'll mod a Vintage Pro like others have done. I have a Grabber and scratches the itch quite nicely.
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better pics of the GS Tbirds:
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/133989694_3554224064666958_5270680314132427732_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=KIglxpigCy4AX-QXsPA&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=707c6703432bc5d5f312bbecd26e14bd&oe=60109336)
(https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/133963748_3554224181333613_6080485111023861521_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=j4JTSFmfNlUAX_uiDfJ&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=ef5089854ba4d344f7859203eff97728&oe=60104E20)
Lipsticked up studio versions. Surprised that Gene would let go of the neck thru given his history with that feature, but if a marketing dude showed him a graph of the Laffer curve but with bass price point vs tax rate, that would probably do it.
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Remember how those GS Ampeg SVTs flew off the shelf? Yeah me neither. ;D
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Remember how those GS Ampeg SVTs flew off the shelf? Yeah me neither. ;D
:rimshot:
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I don't see this becoming a good seller.
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So there is nothing different but the look und the Hipshot bridge, no specific construction details, wood combinations or different pups?
It's basically a Blackbird then. The later Nicki Sixx Signature Bird (i.e. the flamed red one) at least had maple wings which did affect the sound.
BTW, I put the Hipshot bridge on my Blackbird (I wanted to try it on at least one of my TBirds) years ago, so I'm already there. :mrgreen:
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Those GS basses don't have a raised middle section, which leads to suspect they aren't neck through construction.
The binding on the body and neck is something we havent seen before on a Thunderbird. Neither are the inlays and the location of the logo.
All in all I think it looks like a very pretty bass.
I think it is a clever move to not have any visual reference to Gene Simmons or Kiss on this bass. That would make the bass only appealing to a very limited audience.
The only thing that I don't like, is the artwork on the pickguard. I would have preferred a Thunderbird logo.
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Some interesting points. If it were a full-on GS bass, the pickguard logo would probably have some image of his Kiss makeup.
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is it even 34" scale?
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Difficult to tell from this picture. in the others it looks long scale. Gene's always been a big guy but his stage outfits have grown in girth making him look like a linebacker, not the svelte demon of yore. The other pictures posted look long scale but Gene does have a way of making basses look diminutive. He's about the only player that the Grabber looked right on imho. The images on the pickguard are indeed a Thunderbird and Flying V. As I understand it these ate two prototypes so maybe there will be some tweaking to the final product. Strangely I find myself wanting one. Dam KISS marketing.
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The Punisher was a functional, well-thought-out bass. Nothing silly about it - except for Gene's oversize signature that is.
Seeing him with a TBird takes some getting used to though. I always thought the Firebird shape was "reserved" for Paul within the confines of KISS.
Also still surprised that the GS TBird is apparently not active. On the Punisher, the EMG sound is pretty defining.
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Really hoping we get some better options in 2021, let's just say I am not a fan of these two offerings. The white binding one would be close, if it wasn't a GS sig, and was done more like the Firebird custom, with the binding, flat top, black guard, and silver or gold hardware. I'm still hoping for a proper 60s 'Bird, Reverse or NR.
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Really hoping we get some better options in 2021, let's just say I am not a fan of these two offerings. The white binding one would be close, if it wasn't a GS sig, and was done more like the Firebird custom, with the binding, flat top, black guard, and silver or gold hardware. I'm still hoping for a proper 60s 'Bird, Reverse or NR.
The Epiphone VP is that, no? Or are you talking about from Gibson?
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The Epiphone VP is that, no? Or are you talking about from Gibson?
From Gibson, though I'd be content with an Epi NR too. Probably already going to pick up a Epi Vintage Pro, but I'd like to see offerings from Gibson as well. It would be nice if they put the jack on the face too, I'm not terribly fond of it on the side of basses.
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You want something for double the price with half the quality control? :P
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You want something for double the price with half the quality control? :P
(https://media.giphy.com/media/TJgotk8MoedYFsvuYz/giphy.gif)
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is it even 34" scale?
Measuring the fretboard length to full instrument length ratio, it's the same as any other 'bird.
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Was McCartney an influence on bass?
"It was a different style back then, inspired by Lindisfarne, very picky and folky, aimless melodies with no hooks or choruses. Which is why they didn’t become a big band..."
Lindisfarne were a folk-rock band, and had hooks and choruses. Unlike Gene and co they didn't flog plastic toys and generally sell their mothers for a few extra dollars in the bank, which is maybe the reason they didn't "become a big band" in the Gene's mind. Kiss always went the extra mile to monetise every aspect of their fairly derivative musical output, but offloading on Lindisfarne is incredibly unfair in this instance. Gene isn't enough of a musician (why practice your craft when you can be a greedy money-grubbing slob, after all) to criticise anybody.
I suppose throwing a signature bass at an obese elderly entertainer of marginal musical talent is still better than throwing a signature guitar at a Youtube non-entity?
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:rimshot:
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:popcorn:
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:popcorn:
+1
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Lindisfarne were a folk-rock band, and had hooks and choruses. Unlike Gene and co they didn't flog plastic toys and generally sell their mothers for a few extra dollars in the bank, which is maybe the reason they didn't "become a big band" in the Gene's mind. Kiss always went the extra mile to monetise every aspect of their fairly derivative musical output, but offloading on Lindisfarne is incredibly unfair in this instance. Gene isn't enough of a musician (why practice your craft when you can be a greedy money-grubbing slob, after all) to criticise anybody.
I suppose throwing a signature bass at an obese elderly entertainer of marginal musical talent is still better than throwing a signature guitar at a Youtube non-entity?
So... you won't be ordering a GS Bird, then? :mrgreen:
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I vaguely remember someone round here with a "not for fins" attitude, and what is sonically significantly different here, otherwise...? I presume we'll have to wait for that "specialist" at Gibson to offer us a demo... ;)
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Lindisfarne were a folk-rock band, and had hooks and choruses. Unlike Gene and co they didn't flog plastic toys and generally sell their mothers for a few extra dollars in the bank, which is maybe the reason they didn't "become a big band" in the Gene's mind. Kiss always went the extra mile to monetise every aspect of their fairly derivative musical output, but offloading on Lindisfarne is incredibly unfair in this instance. Gene isn't enough of a musician (why practice your craft when you can be a greedy money-grubbing slob, after all) to criticise anybody.
I suppose throwing a signature bass at an obese elderly entertainer of marginal musical talent is still better than throwing a signature guitar at a Youtube non-entity?
Mein Gott, Alan, shouldn't he have some credit for knowing and having listened to Lindisfarne at all? The man is a Jewish immigrant to (another) one of your former colonies after all. I didn't read it as him deriding Lindisfarne at all, the man is an outright Anglophile in his music tastes: Beatles, Jeff Beck Group, Slade, The Move/ELO/Wizzard, Uriah Heep, Argent, The Sweet, Blackmore, Gary Moore, you name them. All he said was that Lindisfarne wasn't geared to conventional and commercial tastes, which I believe any member of Lindisfarne would agree to.
And for the record: Gene's mom was an Auschwitz child survivor who largely raised him single. He adored her und would have done anything for her.
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... the man is an outright Anglophile in his music tastes...
Ah... a moment of your time, my Lord... and vielen dank for the use of the word "Anglophile"...
Both Alan and I still live in a "colony" too, crying "Freedom" (in an Australian dialect) occasionally... From Parliament, tarring us as "Brits" is just a way of conning us that we are (still) part of the "English" Empire, which is finally and truly setting below that western horizon, from your residential perspective, as there never was a "British Empire"... just an English (Anglo) one hiding behind a name to make us feel like we belong, and after all, our "Monarchy" has roots in country that might be known to you... my father most certainly did not call her "my Queen" but certainly served her family long enough...
Little independent Schotland/Ecosse will be back as part of the Eu within our lifetimes... ;)
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Hey, you had your chance! If Operation Seelöwe had worked out, we would have carved the Kingdom up nicely (divide und rule) and you'd all have well-paid jobs in U-Boot shipyards of ze Reich + independence from England, what's not to like?! :)
I do like the Sturgeon girl - lovely accent. Whether Scottish independence is the right way forward, I dunno, but the EU would - what's that Journey song again? - have "Open Arms" for you and your rugged landscapes. We'd have to chat up the Spaniards a little first though, but they still owe us for bringing peace and stability to them with our Legion Condor!
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Ah... a moment of your time, my Lord... and vielen dank for the use of the word "Anglophile"...
Both Alan and I still live in a "colony" too, crying "Freedom" (in an Australian dialect) occasionally... From Parliament, tarring us as "Brits" is just a way of conning us that we are (still) part of the "English" Empire, which is finally and truly setting below that western horizon, from your residential perspective, as there never was a "British Empire"... just an English (Anglo) one hiding behind a name to make us feel like we belong, and after all, our "Monarchy" has roots in country that might be known to you... my father most certainly did not call her "my Queen" but certainly served her family long enough...
Little independent Schotland/Ecosse will be back as part of the Eu within our lifetimes... ;)
The only Australian I know is, "STRAYA CUNT!"
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The only Australian I know is, "STRAYA C*NT!"
Strewth Sport...! Ya strine fair burnt the caps off m' lappy...! :mrgreen:
Hey, you had your chance! If Operation Seelöwe had worked out, we would have carved the Kingdom up nicely (divide und rule) and you'd all have well-paid jobs in U-Boot shipyards of ze Reich + independence from England, what's not to like?! :)
Ah yes... we'd probably still end up with the nuke subs just north west of Glasgstien... just a different flag fluttering at the gate... :mrgreen:
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Here's some news. And they specified there will be lefties.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/gene-simmons-partners-with-gibson-for-new-electric-guitar-and-bass-collections/ (https://blabbermouth.net/news/gene-simmons-partners-with-gibson-for-new-electric-guitar-and-bass-collections/)
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So indeed also a Flying V bass. Like the logo on the mirror pickguard suggested.
By coincidence I know a certain Dutch guy who has just completed the build of a 34" Flying V bass with Thunderbird pickups and nine ply neck-through construction... 8)
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Wow, surprised to see left-handed options. But these Gene basses don't do much for me. The thing says the sound will be "off the charts." They look like TB+.
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Is the Mesa Boogie acquisition what's new?
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https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/31241-gibson-and-gene-simmons-collaborate-on-g2-series-of-instruments?fbclid=IwAR3N3BsjmolXSsS9G_xfmH6PmPk20v5jZOA24PKJGlLKXigG4QJ-slC-Roo
I guess there's going to be a Gene V coming .
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The first new models in Gibson's coming Over The Hill Rock Stars collections. :mrgreen:
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The first new models in Gibson's coming Over The Hill Rock Stars collections. :mrgreen:
Haha. Which do you think is next?
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As an owner of six Flying V basses from four different companies (Ibanez, Kramer, Gibson & Dean), all I can say is that building one that will sound more than ok is a task and a challenge. Let's see. :popcorn:
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As an owner of six Flying V basses from four different companies (Ibanez, Kramer, Gibson & Dean), all I can say is that building one that will sound more than ok is a task and a challenge. Let's see. :popcorn:
But Gene said it has "a sound that is off the charts."
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I'm not sure he knows what he is getting himself into. The only Flying Vs he ever got close to were probably those smashed and occasionally played by Paul Stanley. I don't believe that Gene intends to deliver junk, as I've stated before the Punisher makes sense from a design perspective.
Dave posted years ago some physical examination of guitar body shapes and there wasn't really one unsuitable among them with one notable exception: the Flying V because of the distance of the wing ends to where the strings actually vibrate.
I believe it will have to be neck-thru with a beefy neck to approach a decent sound. My Dean Razorback (assless chaps as case candy!) which is extra-long scale, neck-thru and has an aircraft carrier deck of a neck (it's supposed to be suitable for B E A D tuning, I've heard that young players like that) is the best-sounding one of my flock of Vs. Not great-sounding, just goodish.
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Haha. Which do you think is next?
The Gibson Dee Snider Cosmetics Collection -- powered by Maybelline.
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In that case it can't be long until the Joey DiMaio signature assless chaps. Death to false men's lingerie!
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My first inclination was to bash the new GS offerings, I am going to reserve judgment and keep a open mind. Something is better than nothing which though if not completely true with Gibson they do make us feel like second tier customers whether they know it or not.
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I'm just dipping in here once in a while. Is this the Thunderbird news mentioned back when all this was fields or is it something else?
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As an owner of six Flying V basses from four different companies (Ibanez, Kramer, Gibson & Dean), all I can say is that building one that will sound more than ok is a task and a challenge. Let's see. :popcorn:
Voila!
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I'm just dipping in here once in a while. Is this the Thunderbird news mentioned back when all this was fields or is it something else?
Scott and Rob said previously that there is some other stuff beside this on the horizon. Should find out any day now I imagine coinciding with more namm news.
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That V looks great with the TBird'esque neck-thru center block. Promising. And the double octave notes are even fretless! :mrgreen:
I'm sssuitably ssseduced, I'll buy one no sweat. Color is gorgeous too. Nothing says "immaturity" better on a 60-year-old than a Flying V bass.
PS: Or isn't that the new Gibson model, Rob? Why doesn't it say Gibson on the trust rod cover? ???
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Don't worry Uwe. It's not a Gibson. It's a Brooks ;)
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Verdammter Holländer, and it's not even April yet.
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It's not even a joke! ;)
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=11766.0
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Mein Gott, Alan, shouldn't he have some credit for knowing and having listened to Lindisfarne at all? The man is a Jewish immigrant to (another) one of your former colonies after all. I didn't read it as him deriding Lindisfarne at all, the man is an outright Anglophile in his music tastes: Beatles, Jeff Beck Group, Slade, The Move/ELO/Wizzard, Uriah Heep, Argent, The Sweet, Blackmore, Gary Moore, you name them. All he said was that Lindisfarne wasn't geared to conventional and commercial tastes, which I believe any member of Lindisfarne would agree to.
And for the record: Gene's mom was an Auschwitz child survivor who largely raised him single. He adored her und would have done anything for her.
Gene could have said that 'Lindisfarne weren't geared to conventional and commercial tastes', but if that is what he meant then he couched it in very Trumpian prose.
I've never really liked outright anglophile American bands. I would throw Cheap Trick into that camp, alongside Todd Rundgren, Klaatu and maybe The Cars as well. When you hear it you know it. My band has also played alongside a few American neo-psychedelic rock bands, and they all take it so very deadly seriously. They dress up like extras from Austin Powers movies and write songs that sound like they just missed the cut to make it onto the Stones' Aftermath album. Earnestly reproducing every fizzle and crackle that British artists laid down on tape 50+ years ago.
Its weird meeting people from another country who are more nerdy, and yet somehow joyless, about music that your own people made. Then again, I've met Germans who are Scottish history/music/culture nerds and that is even more weird. They know more about this stuff than I do. :mrgreen:
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I'm currently going through a Renaissance (the band with Annie Haslam) phase and read in one of the newly acquired Esoteric Recordings boxed sets a comment by Annie according to which Gene Simmons was a great fan of the band and waved the Renaissance flag with Northeastern US (Renaissance's most successful territory worldwide) DJs. The Demon must indeed have had a weak spot for Brit folkies (abandoned in their home country).
https://youtu.be/XtSQFewjDD0
https://youtu.be/QP0rXRt5dog
https://youtu.be/mi_QCi4rjZM
And of course when for once they ventured into ABBA realms :mrgreen: :
https://youtu.be/UIhObHkX-D0
At this rate, the man probably liked Fairport Convention, Fotheringay and Steeleye Span too! ;D God of Thunder and, uhum, gentle fo-o-o-o-olk ...
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I'm currently going through a Renaissance (the band with Annie Haslam) phase and read in one of the newly acquired Esoteric Recordings boxed sets a comment by Annie according to which Gene Simmons was a great fan of the band and waved the Renaissance flag with Northeastern US (Renaissance's most successful territory worldwide) DJs. The Demon must indeed have had a weak spot for Brit folkies (abandoned in their home country).
At this rate, the man probably liked Fairport Convention, Fotheringay and Steeleye Span too! ;D God of Thunder and, uhum, gentle fo-o-o-o-olk ...
I love them! I first ripped a few good songs and included them on my 'favourite prog songs that will make my wife like prog eventually' mixtape (actually minidisc). Over the years the discs had more and more Renaissance songs, then I ened up bying all the albums (from prologue to novella) on vinyl. I think the first incarnation of the band (and records) is a bit tough to adhere to (with exepions like 'kings and queens and a few other tracks) and still not really dig the last few albums that took them into the 80's.
All in all a band that grows on you. At first the bassist (Jon Camp) didn't really do it for me, i thought the sound was too trebly even for prog, and the playing too busy to fit the songs. But his style really grew on me, and now I can't imagine anyone else playing those songs. And at first I thought the 'song for every season' album was a bit 'too much', but even that one grew on me. If I have a bad day now, I can put on 'day of the dreamer' and the mood gets better. Even bought it on CD (from Germany would you believe it) to use it as a reference on my digital setup.
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Renaissance and Pentangle have been in my play list of late. I always liked the bassist in Renaissance and Annie's voice is just beautiful. I've been working on my mandolin playing this winter and have found myself wandering down musical paths I would not have trod in my youth.
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I'm currently going through a Renaissance (the band with Annie Haslam) phase
Jon Camp was a guitar player until he heard Yes, which made him switch to bass, get a Ric and Roto's and dial the treble to 11.
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Hey, lots of Renaissance recognition here!
The Squire influence on Camp is undeniable, but nothing to be ashamed of. That Squire sound can still be heard on a lot of Prog albums today, in that niche he's a lasting influence if, lamentably, nowhere else. But then you don't hear a lot of modern day bassists sounding like Bruce, Entwistle or Macca either, a cultural loss.
Camp could stretch out because there was no electric guitarist within Renaissance.
And when Renaissance ill-advisedly turned synth pop in the 80ies, he retained his style which at least sounded, uhum, idiosyncratic:
https://youtu.be/mr9iIjI7m_s?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAOD2K46-qWwR7qHvKWp1z9
Annie had obviously heard too much Kate Bush by then, that wasn't a good idea either! :mrgreen:
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The double neck he's playing in the latter of the 3 vids Uwe posted... what an odd collection of styles and parts...? Slot-head necks, Ric style body... DM/Precision bass pups... what's going on there... almost Spinal Tap... :o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnbIEgkR0M&ab_channel=Britain%27sRareGuitars
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Rickenslutheader!
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I'm currently going through a Renaissance (the band with Annie Haslam) phase and read in one of the newly acquired Esoteric Recordings boxed sets a comment by Annie according to which Gene Simmons was a great fan of the band and waved the Renaissance flag with Northeastern US (Renaissance's most successful territory worldwide) DJs. The Demon must indeed have had a weak spot for Brit folkies (abandoned in their home country).
https://youtu.be/XtSQFewjDD0
https://youtu.be/QP0rXRt5dog
https://youtu.be/mi_QCi4rjZM
And of course when for once they ventured into ABBA realms :mrgreen: :
https://youtu.be/UIhObHkX-D0
At this rate, the man probably liked Fairport Convention, Fotheringay and Steeleye Span too! ;D God of Thunder and, uhum, gentle fo-o-o-o-olk ...
But, like, dude, how are any of these groups folk as opposed too.... poppy adult contemporary soft rock (with production values and runway basslines firmly dating it to the disco era)? Even wikipedia calls it Prog Rock (another euphamism, which only fits due to the synth flutes and flamboyant basslines); no mention of folk anywhere. I guess everyone just called it folk to feel better about themselves (prog also had a very sausage party stigma - just ask Rush); humourous code among fellow afficandos (cuz with prog you expect the odd number above 100bpm)? We are more enlightenned now, Uwe, and so I don't judge you for it - it's ok to be a switch (you're certainly into enough fistup bands), but I don't underestimate the machismo of the day. If anything more shameful for Gene to be into given his whole positioning (I wanna sip port in my easy chair all night, and tend my garden all day just doesn't have the same allure, but sure the smoking jacket could work).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnbIEgkR0M&ab_channel=Britain%27sRareGuitars
That's a nice looking double neck. Dick Night built Mike Rutherford's Ric double neck as well. Slot heads make sense for both weight savings and keeping tuners out of each others' way.
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But, like, dude, how are any of these groups folk as opposed too.... poppy adult contemporary soft rock (with production values and runway basslines firmly dating it to the disco era)? Even wikipedia calls it Prog Rock (another euphamism, which only fits due to the synth flutes and flamboyant basslines); no mention of folk anywhere. I guess everyone just called it folk to feel better about themselves (prog also had a very sausage party stigma - just ask Rush); humourous code among fellow afficandos (cuz with prog you expect the odd number above 100bpm)? We are more enlightenned now, Uwe, and so I don't judge you for it - it's ok to be a switch (you're certainly into enough fistup bands), but I don't underestimate the machismo of the day. If anything more shameful for Gene to be into given his whole positioning (I wanna sip port in my easy chair all night, and tend my garden all day just doesn't have the same allure, but sure the smoking jacket could work).
To real Progsters, Renaissance ain't Prog enough, because the music is too pleasant (Karen Carpenter liked them!) and undemanding to listen to - not like, say, ELP or Jethro Tull or Van der Graaf Generator -; for true Folkies OTOH they have too lush and orchestral arrangements, even though they themselves cited Peter, Paul & Mary as an early influence. Some people refer to them as "symphonic art rock", as a predecessor in a way to bands like Nightwish and Within Temptation who added heavy metal guitars to the equation. I hear Brit Folk in their song structures which have very little Blues or Soul influence. The acoustic guitar is (sophisticated, not Kumbaya-) Folk too. The very classical piano and the neo-Squire-bass-playing plant them with one foot in Prog though. As does the drumming. (There is no electric guitar.)
But the easiest differentiation seems to be:
- girl singer wears long, flowing dresses and does not try to emulate a black voice = Folk;
- as above, but gowned girl sometimes trips over her dresses' seams trying to keep up with strange meters the drummer plays = Prog. 8)
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To real Progsters, Renaissance ain't Prog enough, because the music is too pleasant (Karen Carpenter liked them!) and undemanding to listen to - not like, say, ELP or Jethro Tull or Van der Graaf Generator -; for true Folkies OTOH they have too lush and orchestral arrangements, even though they themselves cited Peter, Paul & Mary as an early influence. Some people refer to them as "symphonic art rock", as a predecessor in a way to bands like Nightwish and Within Temptation who added heavy metal guitars to the equation. I hear Brit Folk in their song structures which have very little Blues or Soul influence. The acoustic guitar is (sophisticated, not Kumbaya-) Folk too. The very classical piano and the neo-Squire-bass-playing plant them with one foot in Prog though. As does the drumming. (There is no electric guitar.)
But the easiest differentiation seems to be:
- girl singer wears long, flowing dresses and does not try to emulate a black voice = Folk;
- as above, but gowned girl sometimes trips over her dresses' seams trying to keep up with strange meters the drummer plays = Prog. 8)
Uwe, what about an easier way of telling:
- Super hot singer = not prog :mrgreen:
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Ok, Geddy is the cutest guy ever - but if I was dating in 1975 there would not be much guessing!
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The Embassy's came out officially today!
https://www.epiphone.com/Guitar/EPIM96326/Embassy-Bass/Graphite-Black?utm_source=Epiphone+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f6897e5a18-1.12.11%3A+Epi_Embassy_Bass_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d33e24a051-f6897e5a18-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&ct=t%281.12.11%3A+Epi_Embassy_Bass_Email%29&goal=0_d33e24a051-f6897e5a18-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&mc_cid=f6897e5a18&mc_eid=%5BUNIQID%5D
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I'm digging the wanderlust green Embassy!
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It ain't a thing without the furry bat's wing!
But otherwise they're kinda nice.
(Both sentences rhymed.)
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One some pics the upper horn looks shorter, but looks deceive sometimes. Is it changed?
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But the easiest differentiation seems to be:
- girl singer wears long, flowing dresses and does not try to emulate a black voice = Folk;
- as above, but gowned girl sometimes trips over her dresses' seams trying to keep up with strange meters the drummer plays = Prog. 8)
LOL
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It ain't a thing without the furry bat's wing!
But otherwise they're kinda nice.
(Both sentences rhymed.)
German rhyming is almost as bad as their humor. But at least you tried.
:mrgreen:
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Break a dam, will you! :mrgreen:
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They look inviting, especially the graphite black and green metallic.
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But the million dollar question: is the upper horn shorter?
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I figured that all your insecurities would unnecessarily focus on this particular aspect. Horn envy is a scourge.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Of course I play bass. All as compensation.
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But the million dollar question: is the upper horn shorter?
It didn't look shorter to me. Which one looked shorter to you?
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I think some pics are a little deceiving. It looks shorter on some pics, but some times it's the angle or colour.
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I think some pics are a little deceiving. It looks shorter on some pics, but some times it's the angle or colour.
I guess it's like the thought that black is slimming on people?
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Or vertical versus horizontal stripes. But I think it's true. Basses really can look different in different colours. As in: smaller or bigger or better.
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I figured that all your insecurities would unnecessarily focus on this particular aspect. Horn envy is a scourge.
It DOES have an imitation bone nut, so there's that.
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German rhyming is almost as bad as their humor. But at least you tried.
:mrgreen:
You need to read it with an accent, and a hint of nationalism:
It ain't a thing
without the furry bat's wing!
But otherweisse
they're kinda nice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnbIEgkR0M&ab_channel=Britain%27sRareGuitars
Dick Knight lived local to me. Yonks ago (80s) he did a refret on my old Travis Bean and a neck shave/middle pickup install on our guitarist's Les Paul. He had a load of Billy Bremner and Nick Lowe's kit in when we visited.
*Point of trivia? Dick Knight only had one good hand and was missing half of the other.
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You need to read it with an accent, and a hint of nationalism:
It ain't a thing
without the furry bat's wing!
But otherweisse
they're kinda nice.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: WTF Canuck!
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: WTF Canuck!
No sense of humor here....Nope, none. :-*
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Dick Knight lived local to me. Yonks ago (80s) he did a refret on my old Travis Bean and a neck shave/middle pickup install on our guitarist's Les Paul. He had a load of Billy Bremner and Nick Lowe's kit in when we visited.
*Point of trivia? Dick Knight only had one good hand and was missing half of the other.
That's cool! From what I've found out, Dick Knight did a lot of Les Paul re-topping in the '70s which tricked a few players. He would take late '60s or early '70s Les Pauls and stick a flamey maple top (and bogus '50s serial number) on them. His work isn't as widely documented as John Birch's for whatever reason, which is a shame. You don't roll out of bed and make a bespoke double-neck guitar like that without a lot of experience along the way. He made a white Les Paul-style guitar for Dave Brock of Hawkwind, and a mahogany double-neck Strat body for David Gilmour, but beyond that I've not seen his work mentioned much outside of 'Les Paul faker' infamy.
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EB-0 and EB-3 have disappeared off the Epiphone site. I expect some news this week...
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With all the NAMM posts I'm seeing online, I was excited to come to this thread and see an update. :mrgreen: I guess I'll still have to wait a little bit.
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I have some none Gene news. I've seen pictures but I have been sworn to secrecy. I spoke with my source today and I still have to be quite hopefully soon.
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I could only listen to three minutes of this mutual praisefest before giving up.
https://youtu.be/MD5j8r35sEk
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I have some none Gene news. I've seen pictures but I have been sworn to secrecy. I spoke with my source today and I still have to be quite hopefully soon.
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I could only listen to three minutes of this mutual praisefest before giving up.
Not bad paying attention to this for three minutes :bored:
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The NAMM news drops in now, so more to follow indeed.
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I'm surprised the G2 line doesn't include a modified Les Paul DC bass. ???
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I could only listen to three minutes of this mutual praisefest before giving up.
I gave up at 54 seconds.
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I saw the Gene thing as more of an old man rambling.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI
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Uhum, if I may stick my tongue out a little here:
Never judge an edited interview by the first few minutes. If you had spent a little more time and waited for the praisefest to subside, you would have heard some interesting things about fitting in the bass sound with Kiss, low frequencies and large halls, Spector basses, The Rolling Stones and Albert King inspiring Kiss songs, Les Paul's arm (I didn't know) and even Robert Frost (= not a Kiss member). You even learn something about major and minor, in case you didn't know (obviously, the vid tries to be inclusive with guitarists as well which I find commendable AND brave).
But some people are so captivated with Gene's outward loudmouth image to the exclusion of all else that he could be holding a Mahatma Gandhi speech and an Albert Einstein lecture at the same time, it would still be crap to you. To quote my wife after I made her sit through a Kiss compilation recently: "That was all KISS?! I didn't know they had that many good songs too!"
I will buy the GS Flying V just to offend you all! You vill liff to regret zis ...
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Good grief... I just realised, it's nearly 42 years since I bought my last new Gibson bass... :mrgreen:
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I saw the Gene thing as more of an old man rambling.
Same here. I thought he had ear flaps on his hat at first.
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Same here. I thought he had ear flaps on his hat at first.
Yeah, but at least the ear flaps probably shoot flames or something.
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Uhum, if I may stick my tongue out a little here:
Never judge an edited interview by the first few minutes. If you had spent a little more time and waited for the praisefest to subside, you would have heard some interesting things about fitting in the bass sound with Kiss, low frequencies and large halls, Spector basses, The Rolling Stones and Albert King inspiring Kiss songs, Les Paul's arm (I didn't know) and even Robert Frost (= not a Kiss member). You even learn something about major and minor, in case you didn't know (obviously, the vid tries to be inclusive with guitarists as well which I find commendable AND brave).
But some people are so captivated with Gene's outward loudmouth image to the exclusion of all else that he could be holding a Mahatma Gandhi speech and an Albert Einstein lecture at the same time, it would still be crap to you. To quote my wife after I made her sit through a Kiss compilation recently: "That was all KISS?! I didn't know they had that many good songs too!"
I will buy the GS Flying V just to offend you all! You vill liff to regret zis ...
This^^^ 8)
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Uhum, if I may stick my tongue out a little here:
Never judge an edited interview by the first few minutes. If you had spent a little more time and waited for the praisefest to subside, you would have heard some interesting things about fitting in the bass sound with Kiss, low frequencies and large halls, Spector basses, The Rolling Stones and Albert King inspiring Kiss songs, Les Paul's arm (I didn't know) and even Robert Frost (= not a Kiss member). You even learn something about major and minor, in case you didn't know (obviously, the vid tries to be inclusive with guitarists as well which I find commendable AND brave).
But some people are so captivated with Gene's outward loudmouth image to the exclusion of all else that he could be holding a Mahatma Gandhi speech and an Albert Einstein lecture at the same time, it would still be crap to you. To quote my wife after I made her sit through a Kiss compilation recently: "That was all KISS?! I didn't know they had that many good songs too!"
I will buy the GS Flying V just to offend you all! You vill liff to regret zis ...
Gene has spent decades crafting a public image of himself as a clown who's only in it for the money. He's a reasonably intelligent man but there's nothing that would make me interested in what a clown has to say. That doesn't mean it's crap, but I don't consider any of his ramblings worth my time. If you found it beneficial, that's okay by me.
We'll see how many KISS fans will support this whole line. I have my doubts.
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I've said it before, while Ted Nugent's inane-ness makes me speechless, I'd invite Gene to dinner in a heartbeat, not because I agree with/approve of anything he says or does, but because he's spirited company. Bring on the clowns, we all know how they sometimes see and say things forever hidden to those people obsessed with being taken serious all the time.
I'm no Kiss Army grunt, but I always liked his make-up, his tongue, his late-60ies-style of bass playing so untypical of most modern hard rock, his gruff non-singer's voice, his deadpan humour, his self-deprecating reduction of all things KISS including himself to issues of money (some Auschwitz-survivor's kid's psychology in there: wealth can save your life) and his mild, never intimidating bad boy image. It's a Vaudeville/Hollywood package, but an agreeable one to me. As an NME-writer once stated: "How else are you gonna promote a band that wears leather batwings on stage?!"
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I know Scott and Rob already knew, but it's official. A new Gibson bass with chrome!
Non-reverse Thunderbird Bass, features and a long-scale 34-inch set neck, with improved balance, available in original colors including Inverness Green, Sparking Burgundy, and Pelham Blue.
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Pics here:
https://bassmagazine.com/gear/gibson-releases-new-non-reverse-thunderbird-basses
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All you kromie kreeps and "Gibson Originalists", I salute you, your prayers have finally been heard!
Ok, now you can start whining how they gave it a three-point ... ;D
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Thanks for posting Chris! I already pre odered one from House of Guitars and I will have a full review once it's in my hands. MAP I am told is around $1,800.00. Yes well the Three point, I'll deal with it later.
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I know someone who makes bridges....
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Great, now just to win the lotto. TBH kinda wish it was an Epi, a la the vintage pro (bridge and price, no dis to the 3 point, I'm a fan, but cooler and more vintage correct is is cooler and more vintage correct; I'm old enough not to care that much about the name on the headstock), but for some reason Gibson seems to think it's necessary to keep non-rev's exclusive (even the Firebirds). Also I think they learned a lesson from the Bonamassa sig Firebird (70% of folks just swap out the TRC for a Gibson one, not to fool a buyer, cuz it's obvious, but cuz midlife crisis... to that end, notice where they put the logo on this thing, eh) .... and they already have a budget priced vintage correct TBird in the Epi line so fair enuf. Just means I'm still dreamin. Even Bach birds go for well over 1k used. Totally missed the boat on those at the time, when I coulda spared the cash.
Anybody know if they're doing a matching Firebird? Not that I suppose it matters, but I have been gassing for one (even the lawsuit copies are so dang expensive these days, nevermind that sweet doghair white 3xP90 Japan-only one from a few years ago) and I wonder if they figured out that there are people who would want the matching set, especially with the 60s custom colours.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
All you kromie kreeps and "Gibson Originalists", I salute you, your prayers have finally been heard!
Ok, now you can start whining how they gave it a three-point ... ;D
Let me know if you want one, I'm at it today.
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So what's under that chrome? TB+? or some other domestic version of the original Thunderbird pickup? I'm guessing they wouldn't use the Epiphone pro bucker in a Gibson branded instrument would they? Also, what does this have to do with Epi dropping the EB-3 and EB-0?
The colors are nice and the matching head stocks are a nice touch but are these any different from the last NR run otherwise? Look forward to your review Scott.
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Why did they opt for the three point bridge?
They could ave easily chosen the Epi wide travel two point bridge plus tailstop. Or Scott's Badbird bridge set.
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In a very selfish way, I'm happy about the 3-point bridge because of what I went through to the get the 2013 RNR made. The 2-point would've tempted me.
I'm looking forward to hearing if the neck is thicker like the 2013 and what pickups those are.
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I'm looking forward to hearing if the neck is thicker like the 2013
I certainly hope not.
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Wow, that GREEN! :mrgreen: Beautiful, but I got my non-rev ya-yas out with a Bach several years ago (sold it).
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They had the chance to surpass the BaCHbird.
But they missed that chance :mrgreen:
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Well, look, if the MAP is under $1800 I'll probably plunk down for one, but why on God's green earth do they insist on these half-assed vintage "reissues"? The pickup placement is not vintage spec, the pickguard is bigger, obviously the 3 point, and what is their fetish for the incorrect knob placement? Maybe, given the hints Rex Brown dropped, there will be this more "updated" version, and then some more accurate Vintage version? It's just they get so and then whiff such easy details.
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I certainly hope not.
+1.
Sparkling Burgundy would be my pick. Not happy about The Oil Rig though.
Will probably wait for ~9 months for ZZ Sound and others to start offering them at some serious discount... :mrgreen:
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They had the chance to surpass the BaCHbird.
But they missed that chance :mrgreen:
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Ugh, I don't suppose you have any IIs left hiding under a bed or something you'd send on over stateside?
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I'm afraid not.
They're all gone.
Now and then one pops up on Marktplaats (marketplace or similar).
But they always sell quickly. If you ever see one, don't wait too long... ;)
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So what's under that chrome? TB+? or some other domestic version of the original Thunderbird pickup? I'm guessing they wouldn't use the Epiphone pro bucker in a Gibson branded instrument would they? Also, what does this have to do with Epi dropping the EB-3 and EB-0?
The colors are nice and the matching head stocks are a nice touch but are these any different from the last NR run otherwise? Look forward to your review Scott.
No info at all about what's under the cover. I hope it's not a ceramic TB plus, if it is it's a easy enough fix, I'll just put a Thunderbucker in the neck position.
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I'm afraid not.
They're all gone.
Now and then one pops up on Marktplaats (marketplace or similar).
But they always sell quickly. If you ever see one, don't wait too long... ;)
Oh, I know, I keep my eyes peeled over here for if and when they pop up. After much waylaying I should be finally wrapping up my refinishing on mine early next month. Very excited to get it back together. I just need about 2-3 more of them, and it doesn't seem Gibson will be doing that anytime soon.
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The last Non Rev RIs (2013?) were too massive both as regards body and neck. They felt, played and sounded nothing like a 60ies Non Rev, but very much like a Rev Studio (which essentially they were). Nothing inherently wrong with that, but not what you lot wanted.
If you play a real TB Non Rev, it ironically has a bit of a cheap, flimsy feel - a TB Rev, a Ric or a Fender P feel much more substantial. That is part of its idiosyncratic charm. You can tell it was a rushed design born out of necessity and production cost reduction aims. Will Gibson be brave enough to replicate that "cult" feel for the sake of historical accuracy? The bass would be much neck-heavier for one. Also, it would not really feel like a bass you just paid 1,800 bucks for.
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Will Gibson be brave enough to replicate that "cult" feel for the sake of historical accuracy? The bass would be much neck-heavier for one. Also, it would not really feel like a bass you just paid 1,800 bucks for.
As opposed to, like, what, 4-6k for an actual 60s non-rev? :p
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Vintage mojo explains that - not the thought-out-ness of a bass. Or would you pay 4-6k for a new model that is both neck-heavy and has a mispositioned bridge? 8)
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Vintage mojo explains that - not the thought-out-ness of a bass. Or would you pay 4-6k for a new model that is both neck-heavy and has a mispositioned bridge? 8)
You did, so how bad of an idea could it be?
I'd happily do the same ;)
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My Non Rev IV was actually quite cheap due to the awful neck break repair which in the process had the pre-owner give up playing bass. It's fine now that my luthier repaired it some 15 years ago.
But you know my view: A TBird or a Ric without a neck-thru construction is no real TBird or Ric to me. I sometimes think that I'm the only person in this forum to whom that makes such a vital difference. Once you are higher than the 7th fret, no bolt-on or set neck can emulate the cello-like effect of a neck-thru. Of course, if short and fast notes are more your thing, you perhaps don't even want that type of sustained gradual tone development. I tend to play fast and snappy only below the 7th fret and above the 12th. The area in between the two, I use for the longer notes. On a bolt-on or a set neck it just doesn't sound the same.
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I fell in love with the look of neck-through basses in the mid-80s when brands like Alembic, Aria, Kawai, Rickenbacker, and Vantage showed up on my radar. By contrast, Thunderbirds have only captured my attention in the last 15 years or so.
Imagine my surprise when a couple of local builders with decades-long pedigrees from big-name brands and their own custom builds poo-pooed any of the touted benefits of neck-through construction. These are guys who have had literally thousands of basses pass through their hands and both are really down on the neck-through format. They still build them, but only for high profile players.
Their disdain really caught me off guard.
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The set neck Ric 4000 basses are really wonderful things .
I was surprised by how much I like mine .
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The set neck Ric 4000 basses are really wonderful things .
I was surprised by how much I like mine .
These are getting hard to find and expensive...I know exactly one person who owns a 4000, and he bought it new.
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I picked it up through a friend about a year and a half ago . I got a really good price and promised I would look after it rather than flip it for profit . I play it a lot , although I don't often drag it out on gigs , I was surprised to discover how much I love the two knob simplicity , and the thing just roars . I put TI flats on it . I believe it's a set neck 76 . I also have an 80 4001 I must have bought about sixteen years ago .
The friend also had an Epi Flying V for sale , I tried it and kinda giggled , and picked up the Ric . About a month later I called and it had not sold , so I picked it up .
The V is a guilty pleasure , but I love that thing too .
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But you know my view: A TBird or a Ric without a neck-thru construction is no real TBird or Ric to me.
Nope, totes with you on that, if possibly a bit less religiously (non-revs are pretty cool). The worst is when they still do the raised middle bit without the thru neck - just why?
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The G2 bass has popped up for sale on the first sites
$2800
https://www.americanmusical.com/gibson-gene-simmons-g2-thunderbird-bass/p/GIBBAT4GSM00-EBB
:popcorn:
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The G2 bass has popped up for sale on the first sites
$2800
https://www.americanmusical.com/gibson-gene-simmons-g2-thunderbird-bass/p/GIBBAT4GSM00-EBB
:popcorn:
I love those fret inlays.
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Jawohl, strikingly original. Gene really unleashed his creative spark.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2319/0503/products/3-gibson-sgz-bass-30409-front_1024x1024.jpg?v=1560500623)
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Dang !
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Jawohl, strikingly original. Gene really unleashed his creative spark.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2319/0503/products/3-gibson-sgz-bass-30409-front_1024x1024.jpg?v=1560500623)
Never saw that before, but I want to see it all the time.
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Beware, beauty's only fin-deep. The SG-Z, lovely as it looked, was one of the crappiest basses ever produced by Gibson, its short tenure was in the late 90ies and it sank like the Bismarck (which at least had the decency to flood itself after it had become a defenseless wreck).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Bismarck_illustration.png/260px-Bismarck_illustration.png)
The pups looked like TB+ ones, if only they had been, but were something different altogether, totally weak-ass and de-balled, no bass oomph at all, a pathetic middish sound emitted. Perhaps Jaco would have liked it after pulling the frets.
The Genobird might be superfluous, but it can't sound no way near as bad.
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Beware, beauty's only fin-deep. The SG-Z, lovely as it looked, was one of the crappiest basses ever produced by Gibson, its short tenure was in the late 90ies and it sank like the Bismarck (which at least had the decency to flood itself after it had become a defenseless wreck).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Bismarck_illustration.png/260px-Bismarck_illustration.png)
The pups looked like TB+ ones, if only they had been, but were something different altogether, totally weak-ass and de-balled, no bass oomph at all, a pathetic middish sound emitted. Perhaps Jaco would have liked it after pulling the frets.
The Genobird might be superfluous, but it can't sound no way near as bad.
Poor thing never had a chance. At least they could've honored it by putting those fantastic fret inlays into something other than a Genebird.