Music videos that feature Thunderbirds

[Pilgrim]

Spokane is probably more angry than embarrassed, I'd guess.

Dolezal wouldn't be news if it was just about her passing as black. The problem is that she lied for financial advantage. Her teaching position, her NAACP position, etc.

Then there's the matter of her repeated lies about being the victim of hate crimes, never with any evidence.

She still won't fess up. She's mentally ill.

That puts a better point on it....but if she got her NAACP position by claiming to be black - and not by merit - that says something about their selection process.  Same for her teaching position; why do you have to be black to teach in that program?  (Other similar programs do have whites teaching in them.)  I think it pays to look at the reverse positions.

Bottom line; yes, in practice, those positions actually are pretty much reserved for blacks.  What does that say about things?

What a mess.

[westen44]

I don't know anything about the teaching position she had.  But her NAACP position was a voluntary one with no pay. 

[slinkp]

This is interesting but seems like a discussion for the outpost cafe.

[Granny Gremlin]

But it's not like this kind of thing hasn't been done before in American history.  During the Harlem Renaissance, for instance, there were some white women married to black artists and intellectuals involved in that movement who passed themselves off as black.

They were at least black by marriage ;P

seriously, though, I wouldn't know about that, because not my time/city/country, but just because something's been done before doesn't make it ok.... and I'm sure those ladies weren't able to physically take on the part as much as this time.  Did any of them apply for public or other office under the guise of being a visible minority (in a time when that sort of thing would be a criteria vs a roadblock?).  There was less to gain (and so much to lose) from doing this back in the day; this ladylooks to have done this (partially) for gain (career advancement).

Anyway, I'm not bothered; just saying I understand why the black community would be.  To be fair, some of them aren't bothered either, but like me just think the whole thing is whack.

[westen44]

They were at least black by marriage ;P

seriously, though, I wouldn't know about that, because not my time/city/country, but just because something's been done before doesn't make it ok.... and I'm sure those ladies weren't able to physically take on the part as much as this time.  Did any of them apply for public or other office under the guise of being a visible minority (in a time when that sort of thing would be a criteria vs a roadblock?).  There was less to gain (and so much to lose) from doing this back in the day; this ladylooks to have done this (partially) for gain (career advancement).

Anyway, I'm not bothered; just saying I understand why the black community would be.  To be fair, some of them aren't bothered either, but like me just think the whole thing is whack.

Mostly what I know about the Harlem Renaissance is what I encountered in history courses from time to time through the years.  I don't have any detailed knowledge of it.  But there was a Vanderbilt professor talking about it on TV yesterday.  He is the one who pointed out that several black intellectuals associated with the Harlem Renaissance had white wives who passed as black.  When asked why they did that, he noted that people had assumed they were black because they were married to black men and they hadn't felt the need to correct people on their mistaken assumptions.  He also pointed out that American history had other examples of this kind of thing.  I think probably when things like this happen there will always be some blacks who won't accept it, won't like it, etc.  That's, of course, what Rachel Dolezal is now finding out the hard way.  Still, although what she did was unwise, it's not like it was something terribly offensive, IMO.  It was strange, but there is a lot of strange stuff out there, both good and bad.  That's why I actually agree with that saying "truth is stranger than fiction." 

[Granny Gremlin]

Yeah, I don't the the Harlem Renaissance situation as even remotely similar to the current one if it is only what you have described. The main difference being the intent (lack thereof in the Harlem cases).

[westen44]

Yeah, I don't the the Harlem Renaissance situation as even remotely similar to the current one if it is only what you have described. The main difference being the intent (lack thereof in the Harlem cases).

I think you might want to go beyond what I have described.  It's only a rough paraphrase of what a Vanderbilt professor who is supposedly an expert on the topic said.  In his opinion, the two situations were comparable.  He also was remaining neutral on the subject and so am I.  I've studied race relations to an extent in school, but it isn't the kind of thing I particularly want to delve into very much on a a message board.  It's way too controversial and nuanced for me to try to navigate. 

[TBird1958]

This is interesting but seems like a discussion for the outpost cafe.

 Yep, I don't I've posted this here. 

 
 

[uwe]

Say what you will about The Nasty Habits, but at least they don't pretend to be someone they're not. It's all real. Unlike this Ms Duh-Liesel or whatever her name is.

 

[TBird1958]

Say what you will about The Nasty Habits, but at least they don't pretend to be someone they're not. It's all real. Unlike this Ms Duh-Liesel or whatever her name is.

 

 I take pleasure in this 
 

[uwe]

That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer.  Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!

[gearHed289]

That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer.  Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!

Agreed! Are those EMGs?

[Rob]

I take pleasure in this 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[slinkp]

That does indeed sound nasty... suits the band name!  Nicely played!

[TBird1958]

That Jackson sounds absof***inglutely killer.  Immediately noticed it when I played it. And you play that bass run with a a great groove and nice pick snap, sounds better than on the Bangles original!!!

Thanks guys!
 I think the original was on a keyboard, but I'm often wrong about this sort of thing....
Uwe, I remember you saying "that bass is a razor" when you played it, this was about two weeks after you and Edith were here - on Halloween.  Tom, they are EMGs with a pre amp, I forget who's  tho, it's my only active bass, nice to have every now and then. Kinda rare too, one of only 56 made before Henry J rattled the lawsuit saber back in '93.