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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 12:57:13 PM »


 Well, navies are pretty easy post war targets, what happened at Scapa Flow was unique tho. The Ostfriesland which managed to survive several actions including Jutland missed the fun at Scapa only to be given to the U.S. Navy..................and used along with the Frankfurt as targets for Billy Mitchell in 1921.
 
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2013, 01:55:22 PM »
Which impressed German guests very much - thus the Stuka idea was born!

Two or three German carriers with Stukas on board would have posed a greater threat to the Home Fleet than all the Bismarcks and Tirpitzes of this world. In that regard, the US Navy was lightyears ahead strategically.
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »
My granddad's ship, SS Cambridge, was a WW1 War Reparations vessel (Vogtland; launched 1916) and I always considered it ironic that it was a German mine that sunk her in 1940 ... one of only two possible vessels that he served on that it could be possible for me to see now ... the other was sunk in WW1 by a German torpedo ... ;)
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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2013, 03:24:56 PM »
Which impressed German guests very much - thus the Stuka idea was born!

Two or three German carriers with Stukas on board would have posed a greater threat to the Home Fleet than all the Bismarcks and Tirpitzes of this world. In that regard, the US Navy was lightyears ahead strategically.


 That sure would have got the Home Fleet out for a showdown, not that Royal Navy ever backed down from a fight.
I'd recall that it took Pearl Harbor to get the U.S. Navy to reluctantly embrace Carrier tactics (up until that point our doctrine in the Pacific was to confront the Japanese in a large surface engagament i.e. Jutland) and even after that we continued to build Batttleships..........




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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2013, 03:45:39 PM »
After the mightiest state-of-the-art battleships on earth at the time - the Yamato and the Bismarck - both sunk due to damage from puny airplanes, building battleships in the aftermath is tantamount to embezzling state defense funds.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2013, 03:54:20 PM »
My granddad's ship, SS Cambridge, was a WW1 War Reparations vessel (Vogtland; launched 1916) and I always considered it ironic that it was a German mine that sunk her in 1940 ... one of only two possible vessels that he served on that it could be possible for me to see now ... the other was sunk in WW1 by a German torpedo ... ;)

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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2013, 04:01:54 PM »

 ...and even after that we continued to build Batttleships..........

Bureaucracies do that - stay on the course they were on before the event.  Kind of like making everyone take their shoes off years after one idiot tried to put a bomb in his?

Carriers are still a critical factor in the balance of power...that's pretty good staying power in today's world.
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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2013, 04:31:24 PM »
After the mightiest state-of-the-art battleships on earth at the time - the Yamato and the Bismarck - both sunk due to damage from puny airplanes, building battleships in the aftermath is tantamount to embezzling state defense funds.

 I think every navy that owned a battleship had at least one sunk by aircraft - Hard lesson. Pearl Harbor, Toulon, Taranto and many battles in both the Atlantic and Pacific.

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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2013, 07:53:43 PM »
My granddad's ship, SS Cambridge, was a WW1 War Reparations vessel (Vogtland; launched 1916) and I always considered it ironic that it was a German mine that sunk her in 1940 ... one of only two possible vessels that he served on that it could be possible for me to see now ... the other was sunk in WW1 by a German torpedo ... ;)

My Dad's ship the USS Saratoga was sadly destroyed after the war at Bikini Atoll.


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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2013, 09:41:12 PM »


 The Sara was a beautiful ship, it should have been saved.


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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2013, 11:42:33 AM »
The odd reality, Robert, is that you can see your dad's ship, and performing a greater function than you could imagine...



Just google USS Saratoga wreck and be amazed at some of the dive images... she now is a haven for sea-life and has become a "coral reef" ...
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2013, 04:40:26 AM »
My late father worked for the MOD here in the UK; his job was primarily classed as floatation (effectively getting any vehicle to float, tanks, Stalwarts, APCs), but he dived, tested over vehicles/tech (and nearly died a few times) and later specialised in mine-clearing, spending time in the Falklands.  He also headed up several MOD trials through the 60s-80s for Volvo/Haaglunds 'snow cat' vehicles.  As a point of trivia here, he also dived on the Mary Rose as part of Alan Bax's team in 1965/66 and then as REME up until the wreck was raised.

I don't really know much about what he actually did day to day...everything was classified, but as a kid he'd take me into work with him now and again and I had access to some awesome stuff.  I go on vehicle sea trials with him as well.  It was really great fun. 

Anyhow, a couple of years ago my cousin, who also works in the MOD just said to me, 'You haven't got a clue about your dad's work, have you?'  I mean, what could I say but just shrug and say, 'No.' 

At this point, he just smiled and said, 'Do you know about the German submarine in the Solent?  He's a f*cking legend.'

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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2013, 11:25:54 AM »
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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2013, 11:33:04 AM »
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Re: U - boat graveyard
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2013, 12:24:35 AM »
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