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Title: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Chris P. on November 12, 2009, 01:48:05 AM
Mott The Hoople where back on stage some weeks ago.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mickeydb/3984701929/sizes/l/

My holy grail, but it needs a white pg.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: uwe on November 12, 2009, 02:42:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCGLRR-T_eg&feature=related

Apparently, it went well, the only sour note being that Dale "Buffin" Griffin, the drummer, was diagnosed with the beginnings of Alzheimer shortly before the gigs, thus playing only for the encores. Hence the two drummers in the above vid. That is Martin Chambers on the left, on loan from The Pretenders. You can tell by the hesitant way Buffin plays that he is not well.

And someone - preferably not color-blind - should have advised Overend about that ill choice of shirt!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 12, 2009, 05:12:06 AM
 I saw Ian on his 2001 Rant tour, He was great and it was a thrill of a life time to see him perform. I am almost sorry I watched the reunion video................................ poor Buffin, my mom  went that way. I can't help but feel very sad this morning.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: drbassman on November 12, 2009, 05:30:54 AM
Very cool...and sad at the same time.  Kudos to the dudes for including him.  I'm sure Griffin was thrilled to be there.  It's hard for us to see our R&R idols age, but it's all part of life we have to deal with.  It was neat to see this video.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Stjofön Big on November 12, 2009, 05:34:27 AM
Very sad about Buffin... You never know what's ahead of you...
Great to see Martin Chambers! That's also one of The Great Drummers!
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: gweimer on November 12, 2009, 07:12:14 AM
I was going to post about this last week.  I read a review of the concert.  Ian looks like he's 70 now.  Buffin was brought up for only a couple songs.  Chambers handled most of the night, according to the review I read.  I was talking about going to one of the shows when tickets first went on sale.  I think I'm glad I passed on it now.  I'll have to watch the links when I get home from work.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Dave W on November 12, 2009, 09:13:45 AM
I just looked up his age, Griffin is only 61. That is harsh.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Barklessdog on November 12, 2009, 09:35:11 AM
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And someone - preferably not color-blind - should have advised Overend about that ill choice of shirt!

Its in the spirit of Aussie Mark!
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: uwe on November 12, 2009, 10:38:40 AM
Hunter is seventy! Born in that fateful year of 39, he was already married and a dad of two kids when he joined Hoople in 69, ten years older than the other guys. I guess his older age kept him grounded as he's obviously taken good care of himself. And never a singer with much of a range, his voice hasn't suffered much.

Yeah, I thought about Buffin's age too - that is early for someone to tell you your dimmer control is being irrevocably turned down. If this is an early stage of Alzheimer, I'm surprised how marked he already looks.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Barklessdog on November 12, 2009, 10:44:10 AM
Kind of sad they are still mostly remembered for the DAVID BOWIE song where singing was used.


I don't mind as many of my favorites feature singers who "talk sing".

A friend of mine ruined many bands for me including Mott (Zepplin, Neil Young etc. ), by playing them to DEATH.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: gweimer on November 12, 2009, 11:20:50 AM
Hunter is seventy! Born in that fateful year of 39, he was already married and a dad of two kids when he joined Hoople in 69, ten years older than the other guys. I guess his older age kept him grounded as he's obviously taken good care of himself. And never a singer with much of a range, his voice hasn't suffered much.

I knew he was 70.  It's just that until now, he didn't look as old as he really was.

As far as the voice goes, a very big LOL!
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 12, 2009, 02:16:00 PM
I just looked up his age, Griffin is only 61. That is harsh.
Early onset Alzhiemers............................. my mom died at 65. I listened to a lot of Mott today, MTH Live  the 30th anv. expanded release being my favorite. Man could Dale and the band rock !
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Dave W on November 12, 2009, 02:41:24 PM
I was shocked when Skip Battin died of Alzheimers a few years ago, IIRC he was 69. Makes you wonder why and how.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 12, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Whoah... "Jinx" Scott... Us being the same age within a couple of weeks... lost my mom at 65 too, back in '92...

Never saw Mott but got lucky and saw Hunter Ronson at the Hammersmith Odeon... I think those shows were released on CD...?

Is that a pink Thunderbird to go with that shirt...?

Ol' Grim Reaper is no respecter of age, Dave...  :sad:

Terry Pratchett has been diagnosed with early onset Alz and is actively putting a big slice of his earnings into research...
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 12, 2009, 04:07:08 PM
Sorry about your Mom Kenny, 65 seems so young. In this case I am glad I am adopted.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Pilgrim on November 12, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
My mom was close to losing her window of memory when her body gave out at age 87.  We were glad that her body gave out first - I think it was kinder.

Isn't it interesting how many of the bands from 30-40 years ago are still popular?  Something special about 60's and 70's music.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Stjofön Big on November 12, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
Turning 62 next month, myself! Remember one thing, kids: life is short movie. Get it while you can!
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: eb2 on November 12, 2009, 05:43:22 PM
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Isn't it interesting how many of the bands from 30-40 years ago are still popular?
 
I think that every time I see Bowser doing the Time-Life oldies commercial.  And then it is a 50 year old band remembering 60 year old bands, and kind of like a play within a play.

Is it wrong to veer from Mott The Hoople to Alzheimers to Skip Battin to Sha Na Na?  Not here, and that is why this place is so special.  I will let someone else take us from Bowser to the short movie of life to..I dunno...maybe a Sturmgeschutz III aus G?
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 12, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
Big Fan of Pratchett, damn, I didnt know that. Thx for the info Ken.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Lightyear on November 12, 2009, 09:19:43 PM
Early onset Alzhiemers............................. my mom died at 65. I listened to a lot of Mott today, MTH Live  the 30th anv. expanded release being my favorite. Man could Dale and the band rock !

Sorry about your mom, this is a vile and horrendous disease >:(

I had a first cousin die with it at 60ish and she had been diagnosed in her early to mid 50s!

It also took my favorite uncle, same side of the family, but at 83

So far so good for my dad - he just turned 87 and his mind is fantastic - his body is really starting to fail him though.

Still, I'm not thrilled with my odds....
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 14, 2009, 12:03:20 PM
We can only hope they come up with a treatment !
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: OldManC on November 14, 2009, 12:28:53 PM
In this case I am glad I am adopted.

Wow Scott, did this somehow escape me or did you not mention this before? Looks like we have that in common, too. It's an interesting life...
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 14, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
Wow Scott, did this somehow escape me or did you not mention this before? Looks like we have that in common, too. It's an interesting life...
It certainly is ! I was very fourtunate, I have a identical twin brother and back in '59 it wasn't uncommon for twins to be split up, luckily we were kept together. My parents were great............................I miss them a lot they have been gone over 12 years now. George do you have brothers and sisters or did your parents just adopt you ?
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: uwe on November 14, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
Hey, none of you two ever mentioned that! And you did obviously not turn into sleeping time bomb problematic kids/neurotic adults (well, not more neurotic than is mandatory for this forum) as is currently en vogue in general discussion of adoptions.

It was never a practical issue of decision for me whether to adopt or not. Martina laid off the pill and was pregnant within weeks. But I remember discussions before her pregnancy where I said "if there are fertility issues, let's not go on an odyssey from one fertilisation center to another, but rather adopt some kid".
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Dave W on November 14, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
I wonder how many forum members will volunteer to be adopted by Uwe. Not that he owns anything valuable he would want to pass on to his adopted sons.  :)
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 14, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
I am currently without parents ;)
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
My mother-in-law is called Wendy and was adopted; she was told her twin sister died at birth, so shortly before I met my wife she did her research and found her birth mother... she then discovered that her twin "brother" was alive and well and living on the south coast of England...! Peter (as in "Peter and Wendy" from Peter Pan) was a character; lost him last year... The "twins" were illigitimate, but her "mum" kept her son and gave up her daughter...

Uwe... Scott needs a father figure (even one that may be slightly younger...!)
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 14, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
My Wife Cath was adopted. Her adopted Dad was a true gentleman and just a brilliant loving father to her. Unfortunately he died about 10 years ago. Her adopted Mum however has the emotional age of an 8 year old (diagnosed). She (Cath) was psychologically abused for most of her life by her mother. Her Dad kept it in check to a point when he was alive but since then its run out of control to the point that Cath no longer has any contact. It means we have to try and re-try to explain to our son why he doesn't see Grandma.

Cath has been searching for the last year for her biological parents. This is normally a stressful thing to do to start with but taking into consideration the abuse she has suffered (from my perspective) its an even more delicate operation.

Just to keep the conversation going in loops (re Uwe's comment on fertilisation center odyssey) We tried for 5 years, including 2 IVF attempts. Eventually after nearly breaking us apart we decided to try Chinese herbal medicine. Monitored once a week and taking daily the most repulsive liquid goo on earth we were successful after 6 months. Which was the minimum time the doctor told us would be possible. It was just as expensive as IVF but way less stressful and each week we took the goo made us feel better and better. Wish I could afford to keep taking it ;)

And; My Grandmother died after 10 years of care with Alzheimers. I'm sad to say that after 6 years I stopped going to see her because it was becoming increasingly distressing for me and I'm very sure she had no idea I was there. My last visit, I took my son when he was 3 and a half.



Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2009, 04:33:36 PM
When Jackie and me decided to go-for-it, she came off the pill and we both stopped smoking at the same time... pregnant within a month and "she's" now 16... only time we ever got lucky... post a 3rd month miscarriage, and several others prior, we stopped and so our lovely daughter is an only child...
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Hornisse on November 15, 2009, 08:53:23 AM
My 26 year old was my only child from my first marriage.  Her mom passed 2 years ago.  We'd been divorced for 12 years or so.  When Diana and I decided to have babies she was pregnant within 2 months.  Our first girl was born when we were 36 and our son when we were 38. (We are both 48 now)  We have 3 older daughters between us.  I come from a large family too with 6 sisters and I'm the only boy.  My dad told me when I was 16 that he was surprised I didn't turn out  :gay: with all those girls around.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 15, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
Depends if you had to suffer "handmedowns..."  ;)
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: godofthunder on November 15, 2009, 01:52:57 PM
"I'm a boy, I'm a boy but my mom won't admit it, I'm a boy, I'm a boy if I say I am I guess. I want to play cricket on the green, ride my bike across the street, cut myself and see my blood, I want to come home all covered in mud"
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Pilgrim on November 15, 2009, 08:53:26 PM
My dad died in 1997 of pancreatic cancer at age 77.  My mom lived until January of 2008 and passed away basically because her body just tired out at age 87.  I couldn't have asked for more loving, understanding parents.  It was a kindness to their four kids that in both cases, we had months of warning that the ending is coming - but of course, I miss them both even though for 20 years I've lived 1000 or more miles away and only saw them once or twice a year.  Many times when I'm doing wood work or repairs around the home, I find myself wondering how my dad would evaluate my work - and then taking the time to do a better job to meet his standards.  I'm on very good terms with my two brothers and my sister - it's a good relationship all around.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: uwe on November 16, 2009, 02:22:33 PM
Re adoption and inheritance issues:

I just survived swine flu (some feverish days and nights behind me) so don't hold your breath!  :mrgreen: But when I do my last croak one day and this forum stills exists, then I will donate some parts of ze kolleckshün to caring hands - I won't be able to take them with me in any case. Or gig bag for that matter. 
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 16, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
I'd be happy to look after the "Clownburst" end of the ranges for you, all those beauties that some of the Brethern chastise you for, and I solemly promise not to modify or deface them... (has he gone...? can I uncross my fingers now...?)

Sort of coming back to thread... has anyone here come across a recording by Ian Hunter and Mick Ronson, with Felix and Corky Laing, known as "Secret Sessions"...?
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: gweimer on November 17, 2009, 03:05:33 PM
I'd be happy to look after the "Clownburst" end of the ranges for you, all those beauties that some of the Brethern chastise you for, and I solemly promise not to modify or deface them... (has he gone...? can I uncross my fingers now...?)

Sort of coming back to thread... has anyone here come across a recording by Ian Hunter and Mick Ronson, with Felix and Corky Laing, known as "Secret Sessions"...?

I have it.  It was "supposed" to be a permanent band, but never surfaced.  Corky Laing was selling the CD off his website for a while.  There's only one cut of those four together.  There's also a guest appearance by Dickie Betts on one song.  It was finally marketed more as a Corky Laing project than a band thing.  As I recall, it was OK, but nothing to write home about.  Want a copy?  PM me.
Title: Re: All The Old Dudes
Post by: Highlander on November 17, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
PM'd