The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Dave W on May 07, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
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For those of you following the amazing story out of Cleveland about the three abducted women who had been held for years until yesterday: turns out the homeowner who held them captive is a long-time local bassist there: "he was always late to practice" (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2013/05/ariel_castros_former_bandmates.html). No wonder.
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I've noted this story, but this is so bad I hardly know what to say. Totally sickening, though.
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being late to practice really pisses me off...
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what a disturbing story
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Really disturbing the more things come out. There are now reports that the police were called in the last couple of years, once because a neighbor saw a child or a woman with child banging on an attic window, another time when a neighbor heard pounding on the walls, and worst of all, when a neighbor reported seeing a naked woman crawling on all fours in the back yard. And apparently the cops came to the door and left because no one answered. If true, this is as bad as the missed opportunities in the Jaycee Dugard case.
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This one is hard to take. One thing that I heard that is just creepy is the fact that a reporter who wrote a big story on Amanda Beery turns out to be the son of the accused. The son had no clue that it was his father.
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This one is hard to take. One thing that I heard that is just creepy is the fact that a reporter who wrote a big story on Amanda Beery turns out to be the son of the accused. The son had no clue that it was his father.
As I understand it, it was for his high school or college newspaper. And it was about Gina DeJesus, who was a friend of their family. On top of that, his sister (Ariel Castro's daughter) appeared on America's Most Wanted to talk about Gina. She was the last person to see Gina before she disappeared. They were walking together, she called her mother (who was divorced from Castro) to ask if she could hang with Gina. Mom said no, so they parted. Freaky.
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A bass player...!?!?! Isn't our job hard enough as it is...? ;)
The story is being headlined here too... How they managed to hide the three of them and the offspring for so long is the most disturbing aspect for me... I suspect there is much more to come out yet...
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Police chief has now confirmed there were chains and ropes in the house, and apparently they were bound by them most of the time.
The one I feel sorriest for is the third woman, Michelle Knight. Her brother has now seen her, and he didn't even know she was missing because the mother kicked him out when he was 14. And the mother claims to care about her but apparently didn't even have one picture of her for the media to show. They're now using a freshman high school yearbook pic of her. What a mom.
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Police chief has now confirmed there were chains and ropes in the house, and apparently they were bound by them most of the time.
The one I feel sorriest for is the third woman, Michelle Knight. Her brother has now seen her, and he didn't even know she was missing because the mother kicked him out when he was 14. And the mother claims to care about her but apparently didn't even have one picture of her for the media to show. They're now using a freshman high school yearbook pic of her. What a mom.
Mom set her daughter up to be a perfect target for someone as evil as this guy is. What truly worries me is that we seem to see these kinds of stories more frequently.
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Police chief has now confirmed there were chains and ropes in the house, and apparently they were bound by them most of the time.
The one I feel sorriest for is the third woman, Michelle Knight. Her brother has now seen her, and he didn't even know she was missing because the mother kicked him out when he was 14. And the mother claims to care about her but apparently didn't even have one picture of her for the media to show. They're now using a freshman high school yearbook pic of her. What a mom.
And what's even worse (from what I've read so far) is that the police didn't even really look for her because they thought she was simply a runaway. That sure is a good way to treat our youth. :sad:
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And then there is this gem.
http://gma.yahoo.com/psychic-said-amanda-berry-dead-silent-berry-found-212849667--abc-news-topstories.html
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The saving grace in this story is Charles Ramsey, the guy that helped free them. He said he thought it was domestic violence - many people would have turned away, but he went to try and help.
http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/articles/496081-viral-video-amanda-berry-rescuer-charles-ramsey-gives-greatest-interview-ever (http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/articles/496081-viral-video-amanda-berry-rescuer-charles-ramsey-gives-greatest-interview-ever)
Now he is saying that he wants any reward money to be turned over to the victims:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/08/charles-ramsey-take-that-reward-and-give-it-to-the-kidnap-victims/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/08/charles-ramsey-take-that-reward-and-give-it-to-the-kidnap-victims/)
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It's not hard to guess that the police didn't do more because of a combination of more urgent things to do and not wanting to get sued for entry when they didn't have evidence screaming at them. I'll bet there are hundreds of times a day in the US that a disturbance is reported, the police get there and knock, no one responds, and they simply have to go away.
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i'm no fan of the police.
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And then there is this gem.
http://gma.yahoo.com/psychic-said-amanda-berry-dead-silent-berry-found-212849667--abc-news-topstories.html
Sylvia Browne is a charlatan preying on people's hopes. Hard to believe anyone is gullible enough to fall for her act.
James Randi (a/k/a the Amazing Randi) and others have been dogging her for years. Here's what he just wrote: Yet Another Sylvia Browne Fiasco (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/2113-yet-another-sylvia-browne-fiasco.html)
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The saving grace in this story is Charles Ramsey, the guy that helped free them. He said he thought it was domestic violence - many people would have turned away, but he went to try and help.
http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/articles/496081-viral-video-amanda-berry-rescuer-charles-ramsey-gives-greatest-interview-ever (http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/articles/496081-viral-video-amanda-berry-rescuer-charles-ramsey-gives-greatest-interview-ever)
Now he is saying that he wants any reward money to be turned over to the victims:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/08/charles-ramsey-take-that-reward-and-give-it-to-the-kidnap-victims/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/08/charles-ramsey-take-that-reward-and-give-it-to-the-kidnap-victims/)
The Gregory Brothers already have an autotune version up. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4
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You just knew the details would get worse. From NY Times:
The cousin, who asked not to be named to protect the family’s privacy, said relatives spoke by speakerphone with Ms. DeJesus before her return. Although she asked relatives not to inquire about her captivity, she described the way Mr. Castro marked the anniversaries of the kidnappings by serving dinner and a cake. “He would celebrate their abduction day as their new birthday,” the cousin said.
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sounds more like a bad movie each day. Amazing to think all this could happen and everybody be so damn stupid.....
maybe they should let me kiss a few of them and share the wealth.....
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And now, it's being reported that it wasn't actually Charles Ramsey who kicked in the door, but one of the other neighbors. Sheesh.
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And now, it's being reported that it wasn't actually Charles Ramsey who kicked in the door, but one of the other neighbors. Sheesh.
That's what the other neighbor now claims. His name is Angel Cordero. I did read that Ramsey said Cordero did come over there and help too. Ramsey definitely called 911. Unless Amanda Berry says something, we don't know.
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Reportedly Castro has told police that the abductions were the girls' own fault because they got in his car in the first place. >:(
From a NYT article about hiss FB page, a screen capture tells us what kind of bass he likes. Yuck.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/05/07/us/ariel-castro-facebook1/ariel-castro-facebook1-blog480.jpg
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From a NYT article about hiss FB page, a screen capture tells us what kind of bass he likes. Yuck.
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/05/07/us/ariel-castro-facebook1/ariel-castro-facebook1-blog480.jpg)
That doesn't surprise me at all. I've always suspected that people who like basses that look like that are mental cases.
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A beast on bass (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4924069/A-beast-on-bass.html)
On the Today Show this morning there was a brief cell phone video clip of him playing his bass in his kitchen and smiling. Hard to think about him doing that while three women were captive a few feet away.
The more comments I've read from his family, friends and band members, the madder I get. They had all been in his house and all describe the same thing: he wouldn't let anyone past his kitchen, everything else was padlocked, he always had music or the TV on loud, and he did tell one friend who did hear a pounding against the wall that it was just his dogs. Yet not one of these people alerted anyone else in all those years. How is it that not a single one of them could see all this and not suspect something was wrong? Maybe they just didn't want to know.
Amanda Berry and the neighbors who broke her out out are the heroes. All the people who saw what was going on inside and did nothing are the goats.
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The stories of this are going to run and run - a press feeding frenzy...
How many of us would be able to look at any of our neighbours that were somewhat "private", had high fences, and kept the blinds pulled, and suspect them of such a thing - we had a really nasty couple called Fred and Rose West who went unnoticed for years before being discovered as murders and rapists, in their own home - Fred West took the cowards way out and topped himself before trial - if his own family did not suspect...?
A news story that has just "concluded" with a surprise change of plea to guilty after a week of really nasty evidence produced the following... the perpetrator was having a "relationship" with the mother and grandmother of the 11 year old he raped and killed; he had been collecting child porn images, visiting incest websites, and secretly filming the girl, and no one suspected him - he even hid her body in the grandmother's house and the police took four attempts to search the house before they found the body...
This Castro guy is just one example of a sick and decadent world where people persistently look the other way as they just do not want trouble - I live in a fairly quiet residential area but I recently felt somewhat uncertain around a group of young men hanging round a local shop drinking in the late evening whilst on the "last-round-up" with the dog... just a feeling in the pit of the stomach...
My neighbour is a nurse in her fifties - we've had "issues" in the past - do I suspect the occasional visits by "single men of a certain age" as being suspect...?
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There's a difference between being in a situation that makes you feel uneasy and seeing a situation that you know can't be right.
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Today the lawyers for the kidnapper said they would show he's not the monster everyone is making him out to be. Really? What planet are those assholse from? :-[
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Uranus...?
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What a awful story. He's not one of us, I can take it on the chin.
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Today the lawyers for the kidnapper said they would show he's not the monster everyone is making him out to be. Really? What planet are those assholse from? :-[
I hear you. He's entitled to the best possible defense his attorneys can put on, and if they had said so and left it at that, I wouldn't be so incensed. But their comments almost seemed to be deliberately inflammatory. Saying that his innocence will become apparent as the case develops, talking about his concern about his daughter -- does he think he's going to have any parental rights? -- and especially this: When asked how the three women ended up in Castro's home, Weintraub said: "That fact will be disclosed as the case progresses. I am aware of how he came into contact with them." That comes close to implying that they intend to blame the victims.
These guys better watch it or they might wind up getting death threats, if they haven't already. There's a lot of outrage over their comments.
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I heard that the members of the Kidnappers and Rapists Forum were appalled to learn that Castro is a bass player
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What saddens me, infuriates me, and scares me, is that every time one of these stories emerge, we continue to wonder how a society could breed such depraved individuals, and ask how far is enough. And every few years, we seem to extend those questions further and further. There are parts of this world that we leave our children that I wish were not there.