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Fender Basses / Re: Fender bass snowboard, it plays.
« on: October 06, 2011, 11:41:57 AM »
This is beyond stupid in my opinion and it serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

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Gibson Basses / Re: 1966 Cherry Red NR Thunderbird II Bass
« on: October 06, 2011, 11:37:41 AM »
Someone may have bid on it but it doesn't mean that that person isn't getting ripped off. Man, I wish we knew who bid, I'm sure we're all curious to know how this goes down.

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Cool, thanks, I just checked it out. You did an excellent job with that restoration. Interesting color choice, I never would have thought to go for that color but I must say, it looks really cool.

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drbassman That thing came out great. Do you have a link to another thread with more pics of that one?

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Gibson Basses / Re: 1966 Cherry Red NR Thunderbird II Bass
« on: October 04, 2011, 03:06:56 PM »
It should tank. If the guy is legit but inexperienced, maybe the auction tanking will teach him to relist it with more info, picture, etc.

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I think that Pelham Blue NR Bird is pretty much my dream bass. Minus the broken headstock and crazy price of course. I wonder what it would sell for if it didn't have the headstock break though. Still not $8000 probably but it would definitely go for a lot. I know a lot of you are saying, "It's just more money because of the color" and obviously, you would be exactly right but a lot of vintage guitars sell for way more because of the color. Again, I don't think that justifies the $8000 price tag, especially with that break, but the fact that the color is a factor in the price doesn't surprise me. You can say what you will about that color but it is indeed more rare than a sunburst one for sure.

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Gibson Basses / Re: 1966 Cherry Red NR Thunderbird II Bass
« on: October 04, 2011, 10:53:19 AM »
Forget about this bird, check out the Pelham Blue one that I just posted about.

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Gibson Basses / Re: 1966 Cherry Red NR Thunderbird II Bass
« on: October 04, 2011, 10:48:59 AM »
At first I kind of also thought that he just might be an inexperienced Ebayer and not know what he's doing but it just looks way tooo fishy at this point. Barely any description, no pictures, no info really at all and he hasn't responded to multiple emails from multiple people that WE know of. You have to assume that a ton of other people that are not on this forum have probably asked tons of questions too but probably haven't heard back either. Why do I assume that? Because I'm sure whoever has a question is probably asking the same questions we all want answered and if they had gotten a response someone would have already bought the bass since the price is decent and it is a Buy It Now. Think about, we have numerous guys on here alone that would have jumped on it for that price if they had a little info on it.

We all just really want to "believe" so badly. Ha ha. I know, I know, I want to believe too. Also think of it this way, maybe he is on the up and up and maybe the auction and bass are legit with no issues and this guy just doesn't know what he's doing but that's also a reason to maybe steer clear from it. Dealing with someone who has no clue what he is doing can be a potential nightmare especially for a bass that's so expensive and for a bass that is so delicate and fragile. If he's this clueless imagine his shipping and packing skills and now imagine how much of a nightmare he would be to deal with if it did get damaged during shipping. If he can't answer an email imagine him trying to file a claim, etc.

I know we want to believe that he just doesn't realize that he has been getting messages about it but what about when you buy it? He will also get messages saying that the auction has ended, how will he know that he got that message if doesn't know that he got the other ones?

Of course, if he starts responding and answering questions than that's different story.

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Ah, the final piece in the puzzle. The case. So, as we all know, finding a case big enough for these basses is pretty challenging. It took a long time but I finally found the right Epiphone case. Of course, we also all know that you can't find one for a non-reverse so I took some inspiration from Rob's case and decided to go the same route with mine and it worked out perfectly.

Started off with the reverse case....


Ripped out the foam.






I had to cut out the foam piece so I could flip it over to fit the non-reverse shape


I had to glue and tape in some of the foam pieces I cut out to fill in the gaps in order to make it a snug fit.


Here it is all done and fits like a glove.


When looking for a case I was initially trying to find one of the cases that had the body part of it wide open instead of one with the specific body shape so I wouldn't have to go through this whole process. I'm glad I couldn't find one though because in the end I'm much happier that I was forced to get this one because the mod ended up being very easy and the bass fits perfectly now and I would much rather have the bass fit in there very snug instead of moving around in the open shaped case.


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Thanks guys! Even though I had many moments when I regretted starting this project, now I, of course, want to make another one in another color. Ha ha. I'll hold off for a little while though.

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Thanks guys, I'm really stoked on this bass. I have been playing it non-stop. I might get the Thunderbuckers at some point. I figure I could sell the SD's and probably get some ok money for them especially since they have been modded with the Lull covers which were another $40 plus the cost of modding them. But I don't think I will do it for awhile, it took me so long to get this bass up and running, I don't want to take it apart and put it back into "project" mode again even though it wouldn't be out of commission for that long. I just want to spend some time playing it.

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One more thing about JohnK that has had me wondering since he trashed a JAEbird Standard in a review...Please ask him WHY, after he slagged me so badly on Talk Bass they banned him, he decided to keep the bass after I offered to pay him every cent he spent plus return shipping.  He's done similar to other builders.  Nice to know he's making amends.


As far as all this is concerned.... just from meeting up with him a few times, I will say that it seems pretty obvious that John is a stickler for every little detail and I'm sure a tough guy to please, especially since his work seems to be pretty impeccable from what I saw, but I really don't want to even speculate what his or your thoughts are on the whole debacle or why he kept the bass if he wasn't happy with it. Also, I really wouldn't want to drag this thing out again because it could easily spiral out of control again and I definitely wouldn't want to be the one that stoked the fire again. Let's all just try to get along. Ha ha.


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So where did I leave off?

I laid down the color coats and then a bunch of clear coats. I then wet sanded it up to 2000 and then moved on to micro mesh. This was only my third refinish (like a said before though, my first one shouldn't even count since it was so bad) but I can never seem to get all the surface scratches out for some reason. I actually don't have pictures of any of these steps unfortunately but you're not missing much.

Ok, so in addition to doing the body/neck work and the finishing I was also accumulating the parts I needed to complete the bass. I picked up a set of used Fender vintage reissue reverse nickel tuners, a truss rod cover with the Gibson logo on it, a black/white/black pickguard blank, some Mike Lull pickup covers and pickup ring and a pair of Seymour Duncun SSB4 pickups. I wanted to buy a full set of Mike Lull's but I just couldn't justify the price and this stuff was also purchased before the Thunderbuckers were completed and available otherwise I would have probably bought those. I was getting closer to getting this thing together and then I reached out to John Kallas AKA JohnK.

I stumbled upon John's website, he had a Bachbird project on his site and he had tried both the Duncuns and the Lull's out so I reached out to him for his opinion. I asked him if he could put the Duncuns in the Lull covers for me and he said sure so I drove out to his place to drop them off. It was great too because he had his Bachbird there with the same mod. He had just taken the Lull's out of his bird and put the Duncuns back in so it gave me a chance to hear the Bachbird with the same pickups that I was going to use. I was very pleased with the sound. I really like the Seymour Duncuns a lot, much more than I thought I would. I have been hearing rave reviews about the Lull's and the Thunderbuckers so I can't even imagine how amazing they must sound since I'm already very impressed with the Duncuns. Especially for the price. I got the the Duncuns through a friend who had a hook up with Duncun for $79, so the price was definitely right for me. I am really so happy I hooked up with John because he ended up bringing way more to the table than I could have hoped for. He was initially just going to mod my pickups but after playing some his other basses, I asked him if he could help me finish the rest of my bass. I can't begin to stress how amazing his work is. I played a number of basses at his house, one that he built from scratch, one that he had modded, an amazing 66 Jazz bass clone he built and of course his Bachbird. I must say that every single bass played like the best bass I had ever played. I knew that as much work that I had put into my bass it would never come close to anything that he had done. His attention to detail was amazing, frets, set up, finish work, everything was just perfect. I knew I wanted him to finish my bass but my funds were limited. I asked him if would be interested in wiring up my bass and he told me to bring it by and he would check it out. He knew I was on a budget and said he would help me out but he really went so above and beyond I don't even know what to say. We started going through the bass and coming up with a laundry list of things that needed to be done and parts I still needed. I didn't think I could afford to get everything done so I had to pick and choose the things that were the most important to me but in the end he ended up doing everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) for the amount that I had. You can tell that he just didn't want that bass leaving his house until it was as amazing as possible. Ha ha. He loves what he does too much to half ass something. Anyway, here's the pics. I'll go into detail about all of the things that John did to it after.





I also beat the bass up a little already because I felt it looked too new. I didn't get too carried away but I needed to age it a little.





Okay, where do we start?
Here's a long list of the things that John Kallas did to this bass:

LABOR:
1- He buffed out the entire bass which made a HUGE difference. When I brought it to him it had tons of little surface scratches and swirl marks and he threw it on the wheel, buffed it out and turned it into a factory looking finish. Awesome!
2- Cut divots in the headstock for the tuning keys and mounted them.
3- Installed the Duncan pickups into the chrome Lull covers.
4- Cut out wooden blocks to fill in the pickup cavities because they were too deep.
5- Fabricated treble pickup spacer (the black plastic spacer that goes underneath the chrome ring around the treble pickup).
6- Cut the pickguard and mounted it.
7- Fabricated a new back control plate cover.
8- Cut out the nut and installed it.
9- Cleaned and re-oil sealed the fingerboard which was covered in tape residue from me leaving the painters tape on there way too long.
10- Leveled, re-crowned and polished the frets.
11- Mounted the strap buttons.
12- Mounted the trussrod cover plate.
13- Strung it up with round stainless strings.
14- Adjusted the neck.
15- Adjusted the action.
16- Mounted the pots and jack.
17- Wired up the control harness.
18- Strobe intonation.

He also provided me with a bunch of parts that I still hadn't bought or ordered yet. Which really did save me some money because I didn't have to pay shipping for all these little parts which can really add up. You guys know how that goes, $7 shipping on a $3 part and some places don't have everything you need so you have spend even more to ship from multiple places. Luckily he had everything I was missing which worked out great for me. I also gave him a bunch of really crappy, cheap screws for everything and he replaced all of them with the accurate, better quality screws. We're talking everything, pickguard, pickup, bridge screws, etc.

PARTS:
4- Pickup mounting screws
10- Pickguard screws (Gibson)
6- Bezel screws
3- CTS pots @ $5 ea
1- Switchraft jack
2- Pickup foam sponges
1- Set Daddarrio stainless EPS165
3- Knobs
3- Tail piece screws
1- Bridge pickup spacer plate

And if that wasn't enough. When I came to pick it up I brought my Fender 62 Reissue Jazz Bass with me because I wanted his opinion on the neck because it was tweaked beyond repair. At least that's what I was told by a bunch of different luthiers and it was actually looked at by a few techs over at Fender and they all said that the neck was warped beyond repair. I wanted to see what John thought of it and I wanted to see if he could recommend a good replacement neck. Well, while we were talking he took the bass apart the bass, replaced the truss rod nut, which was broken and he did all kinds of tweaking to the neck. He also fixed the string nut which was also funky, fixed one of the pots and then set the bass up. He even took off the pickguard and buffed it all out. Not sure if any of you have experienced this but for some reason I have gotten a few Fender pickguards over the years that have had the protective plastic on them for too long and when I removed it it left a weird imprinted pattern into the guard which is kind of etched in to it. Has this happened to anyone else? Anyway, he buffed all of that out. Oh, he also didn't charge me for the work on the Fender Jazz bass. It plays amazingly. I couldn't believe it, I basically brought him these 2 piece of crap basses (I mean crap because I had turned them into crap, not because the were initially made crappy) and he transformed both of them into 2 amazing sounding and playing basses. I couldn't be more happy with either of these basses. Thanks again John for everything and working with my budget and helping me turn both of those basses into the great basses that they are, especially the Thunderbird which sat around unplayable for over a year.


PS. Sorry for this ridiculously long post. Seriously, I know it's a bit much to get through. Ha ha.

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I eventually took it to John Karras

Whoops, I mean John Kallas not Karres. Sorry about that John.

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Some pics after the color coats were sprayed. I used sand and sealer, multiple coats of black and then multiple coats of clear. I used all Reranch stuff and it's all nitro.



Sorry, this last picture is pretty bad. Not that the other ones are so good but this last one is especially bad.

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