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Title: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: godofthunder on September 19, 2023, 09:42:34 AM
  I got to play the Gene Simmons EB0 a few weeks ago, for me it's about as cool as it gets though the 10k price tag makes me want to go 60s Thunderbird shopping. https://youtu.be/LgrZS-TOQo4?si=LqAbGNV28nrzVryU
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Chris P. on September 19, 2023, 10:01:47 AM
See the OUCH! topic. I posted your vod already:) and I also posted your vid on debassist.nl
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 19, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
They nailed that early Gene Simmons sound with it for sure. Nicely presented, Scott.

Not too distorted either!  :P

That's a lovingly done signature model for a player who deserves it. Whether there are a lot of Gene Simmons-loving bassists out there willing to spend that kind of money for a short scale is another matter though. The Gibson site claims that they did more than a couple and that it is to become part of the regular Custom Shop inventory, we'll see for how long.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: lowend1 on September 19, 2023, 01:04:45 PM
  I got to play the Gene Simmons EB0 a few weeks ago, for me it's about as cool as it gets though the 10k price tag makes me want to go 60s Thunderbird shopping. https://youtu.be/LgrZS-TOQo4?si=LqAbGNV28nrzVryU

That price tag makes me want to go car shopping - not a 60s Thunderbird, though.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Dave W on September 19, 2023, 10:46:31 PM
It will sell, I have no doubt about that. Sounds excellent. Looks great. Of course the Gene TRC and signature on the case are essential for an artist model, but I wouldn't want them.

I'm impressed that he uses Hercoflex Gray picks.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 20, 2023, 06:09:12 AM
I don't have issues with the pricing at all since it is a Custom Shop model. Why shouldn't apply to a bass what people have long accepted with the bass' lesser sibling, the guitar?

Ironic that Gene of all people, with his bass playing so often unjustly (!) belittled, now has a plethora of basses associated with his name: his axe basses, the Punisher, the G2 Thunderbird, this new little ditty.

Why there isn't an Epiphone or affordable Gibson Gene Simmons Signature Grabber out there (with relic'ed blood stains and burn marks of course) is beyond me. It would sell hot-hot-hotter than hell.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: TBird1958 on September 20, 2023, 10:51:53 AM


 I think it's a cool little bass, but I'm zero'd in on an EB-3 for a short scale.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: morrow on September 20, 2023, 11:12:48 AM
I initially didn’t care for the short scale , and then turned completely around. And as a short scale aficionado discovered the Gibson short scales.
And I like ‘em.
There’s a ton of SG basses around and sometime they go for a good price.
And the recent Jrs are really first cousins of Gene’s little EB-1. Great little things! They were out of production but they’re still on the Gibson site.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 22, 2023, 08:51:39 AM

I'm impressed that he uses Hercoflex Gray picks.

Kinda like what I use ...

(https://www.brennabor.com/msb_shop/images/product_images/info_images/470_00055+104+234.jpg)

Unfashionable picks for klutzes!
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Dave W on September 22, 2023, 06:22:32 PM
Kinda like what I use ...

(https://www.brennabor.com/msb_shop/images/product_images/info_images/470_00055+104+234.jpg)

Unfashionable picks for klutzes!

Aren't yours extra thick? The Hercoflex Grays are 1.01 mm thick (despite the official name, Herco 75).

Jimmy Page uses these too, and as we all know, LZ and KISS are my two favorite bands.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: ilan on September 23, 2023, 04:25:49 AM
Aren't Dunlop-made Hercoflex 75's identical to Planet Waves Nylflex 1mm?
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Dave W on September 23, 2023, 07:29:08 AM
Aren't Dunlop-made Hercoflex 75's identical to Planet Waves Nylflex 1mm?

Could be, they look almost alike. No idea of the actual composition. But Herco was around long before Dunlop bought them. D'addario bought Planet Waves even later than that, and at that time they were only making straps.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 26, 2023, 08:54:51 AM
Aren't yours extra thick? The Hercoflex Grays are 1.01 mm thick (despite the official name, Herco 75).

Jimmy Page uses these too, and as we all know, LZ and KISS are my two favorite bands.  :mrgreen:

1. No, they're actually quite thin, but sturdy, yet flexible. I don't like how thick, stubby picks take away presence from the strings. Thinner picks sound more percussive. But they have to be hard enough without being too hard (metal or mineral).

2. I do notice a steady degradation in your musical tastes, Dave.

(https://media.tenor.com/hiPsCCIBviYAAAAd/disaster-hindenburg.gif)

Where will this all end, Deep Purple?!!!  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: ilan on September 27, 2023, 05:07:06 AM
Thinner picks sound more percussive. But they have to be hard enough without being too hard (metal or mineral).

Bobby Vega uses medium picks, .73 Dunlop Tortex and his bass tone is rich and full.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: gearHed289 on September 27, 2023, 08:00:13 AM
I've been using Tortex .88 for a very long time. I experiment from time to time, but I can't go back to the nylon Herco-style ones. Too floppy.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Basvarken on September 27, 2023, 08:46:16 AM
I've been using Dunlop Max-Grip 1.5 for years.

(https://static.bax-shop.nl/image/product/96640/210640/519dccd2/450x450/dunlop-max-grip-nylon-standard-15_front.jpg)


They are perfect for me.
Not too stiff. But certainly not floppy.
The profile makes sure they don't rotate in your hand.
And they last forever.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 27, 2023, 09:28:21 AM
I somehow need triangular ones because I grip with thumb (one side), index and middle finger (the other side).

How uncool, I know. :-[ But I lose the pick if I just use thumb and index even though I have a light touch. I fret hard, but pick lightly.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Dave W on September 27, 2023, 10:45:11 AM
I've seen more local guys using Tortex .88s than any other pick.

My first choice is the Pickboy Edge (carbon-nylon) in the 1.14 thickness.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 27, 2023, 02:19:51 PM
This kinda belongs here ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBBX-hQ7-I
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: gearHed289 on September 28, 2023, 07:09:59 AM
This kinda belongs here ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBBX-hQ7-I

Man, that thing sounds and looks great. I always loved the original Lobue bass. I thought it was a Gibson for years, especially after his modded EB-0 appeared. I've seen a few replicas on TB ranging from "OK" to very nice.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 28, 2023, 09:35:55 AM
Frankly, I prefer Gene with a Ripper, Grabber or Punisher visually - he's too tall and large-framed (especially with all that armor) for a short scale, it looks like a toy on him.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: morrow on September 28, 2023, 09:48:57 AM
I thought that was the point.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 28, 2023, 11:40:45 AM
Naw, I think he liked shorties for their less distinct, fuzzy, smearing tone - he was never into a really clean signal, even at a time when clean bass signals ruled.

In interviews he has said that he really doesn't like non-symmetrical bass shapes such as Fenders, Rics and I guess then TBirds also, he prefers doublecuts (his Punisher is really just a sleeker and elongated Grabber shapewise). His Axe basses are obviously an exception from the rule for show purposes, but has he ever played a whole gig just using the Axe?

But then Gene has never been that particular about his gear, which in my world speaks rather for than against him. I shake my heads at people who let the color of the pick determine whether they can get "their" sound or not.

(https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/a36403cacec1729f1d404b2f0c534f45-jpg.3856973/)

PS: Goes to show how a Fender P looks crap even on the mighty God of Thunder in full regalia!

PPS: Get that stare right ...

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NvV5VF1u6m4/XGLs95TaeJI/AAAAAAABskA/rbd-yAPvIggrJWpJqq4L-D_XJeNT2ihrgCLcBGAs/s1600/KISS0.png)
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: slinkp on September 28, 2023, 02:16:46 PM
Thin picks for me! I like to get my arm into it, something’s got to give.  I’ve been using the orange 0.63mm Dunlop tortex picks for so long that anything else feels weird. Bonus, the orange color makes them easy to spot / harder to lose, and I have never once broken one.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: westen44 on September 28, 2023, 03:50:17 PM
I prefer Dunlop .96 by far over anything else.  I can't stand anything thicker than that or thinner. 
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 28, 2023, 04:07:28 PM
I can't stand anything thicker than that or thinner.

Now you're beginning to sound like a woman!
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: patman on September 29, 2023, 05:29:12 AM
I use 2 Dunlop Tortoiseshell finger picks and 1 Dunlop Tortoise thumbpick...

Same as if I'm playing guitar or banjo...
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: ilan on September 29, 2023, 05:36:14 AM
he's too tall and large-framed (especially with all that armor) for a short scale, it looks like a toy on him.
What if he played guitar?
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on September 29, 2023, 06:24:33 AM
What if he played guitar?

He'd look like Tiny Tim?
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2023, 06:33:33 AM
But could hold his own musically. I've always said that he is an old-fashioned rock'n'roller at heart (it shows in his bass lines):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCcWPbSZelc

He's played guitar on his solo albums and - uncredited - even Kiss albums too. He once said that "if something needs to sound meaty and hulking on guitar, I get called to play it". He continued that "Kiss aren't obsessed with who plays what on record as long as it does the job", there are lots of Kiss recordings with Paul, Ace or Bruce playing bass on individual tracks.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: westen44 on September 29, 2023, 01:08:58 PM
I can't stand anything thicker than that or thinner.

Now you're beginning to sound like a woman!

Well, it was unintentional.  All I can say is the Dunlop .96 pick is by far what I relate to the most.  I didn't plan it that way, but that's the way things worked out.  Increasingly, though, I play more fingerstyle bass, not because I really want to, but because that's so much more comfortable for my neck.  But I will never like fingerstyle bass the way a lot of people seem to do, even if I do end up playing it more as time goes on.  Pain is a great motivator.  And a pain in the neck (from using a pick) is a pain in the neck.  It's what the chiropractor calls micro-trauma. 
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2023, 01:21:23 PM
Well-played finger style can sound more "bubbly", all those micro-inaccuracies touching the string(s) with your fingers (if you play with index and middle finger or more that is) create a groove you can't really recreate with a pick. A pick stroke has more mechanical precision, but it also sounds deader.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on September 29, 2023, 01:29:08 PM
A pick stroke has more mechanical precision, but it also sounds deader.

Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: westen44 on September 29, 2023, 01:36:10 PM
Well-played finger style can sound more "bubbly", all those micro-inaccuracies touching the string(s) with your fingers (if you play with index and middle finger or more that is) create a groove you can't really recreate with a pick. A pick stroke has more mechanical precision, but it also sounds deader.

I definitely prefer pickstyle.  It irritates me sometimes when some people push things too far and make statements like real bass players don't use a pick.  Nevertheless, because of my neck problem I do sometimes have to join the ranks of fingerstyle players.  It doesn't much matter one way or another.  I don't have Carnegie Hall booked anytime soon anyway. 
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2023, 03:05:39 PM

(https://bassoutpost.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12451.0;attach=4899;image)


And that helps a leftie play rightie you say?! What a brilliant technical solution to one of the great scourges of mankind! Progress is something marvelous, isn't it?
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on September 29, 2023, 03:14:39 PM
I definitely prefer pickstyle.  It irritates me sometimes when some people push things too far and make statements like real bass players don't use a pick.  Nevertheless, because of my neck problem I do sometimes have to join the ranks of fingerstyle players.  It doesn't much matter one way or another.  I don't have Carnegie Hall booked anytime soon anyway.

There is no better or worse, just a certain way in which your groove will be influenced as you mature as either a finger or a pick player. Sure as a pick player myself I gravitated towards pick players as role models - Glenn Hughes, Roger Glover, Jim Lea, Martin Turner, Chris Squire, Alan Lancaster, Gene Simmons, Dennis Dunaway, Bob Daisley, John McCoy, John Gustafson - they are all pick players. But at the same time I marvel at all the rhythmic nuances Neil Murray, Jack Bruce, Trevor Bolder or Gary Thain play(ed) - and that kind of style is derived from having chosen the finger player path.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on September 29, 2023, 04:35:33 PM
And that helps a leftie play rightie you say?! What a brilliant technical solution to one of the great scourges of mankind! Progress is something marvelous, isn't it?

Exactly!

But seriously, I love this pedal.  It gives a more pick-like attack for finger playing.  They discontinued them, so I bought a second as a backup.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: westen44 on September 29, 2023, 09:36:42 PM
There is no better or worse, just a certain way in which your groove will be influenced as you mature as either a finger or a pick player. Sure as a pick player myself I gravitated towards pick players as role models - Glenn Hughes, Roger Glover, Jim Lea, Martin Turner, Chris Squire, Alan Lancaster, Gene Simmons, Dennis Dunaway, Bob Daisley, John McCoy, John Gustafson - they are all pick players. But at the same time I marvel at all the rhythmic nuances Neil Murray, Jack Bruce, Trevor Bolder or Gary Thain play(ed) - and that kind of style is derived from having chosen the finger player path.

Possibly the best way is to feel equally at home with or without a pick.  Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I seem to be noticing more bassists who switch back and forth.  I may be forced to play fingerstyle some because of my neck, but I doubt if I'll ever like it as much as using a pick.  Since I've mentioned it, I'm trying to think of some bassists who play both pickstyle and fingerstyle.  I know there are several.  At the moment, though, the best example is Emma Anzai who plays both for Sick Puppies and Evanescence.  Those Evanescence songs are too simple to bother listening to.  But if you look at some of her Sick Puppy performances she sometimes switches back and forth between pickstyle and fingerstyle just in a single song.  She holds her pick in some strange way between her fingers when she plays fingerstyle so she can keep up with her pick at all times. 

I'm not one of those guys who goes around saying girls can't play bass.  Anyone who has ever been around a good female bassist face to face would never say that.  As for Emma Anzai, she is better than I ever plan to be.  That's for sure.  I haven't listened to her enough to make any comprehensive statements about how she plays.  I'm sure she must be good, though.  But I'm mostly just using Emma Anzai as an example of someone who seems to be able to play equally well with or without a pick.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: morrow on September 30, 2023, 04:26:37 AM
Musical ability has nothing to do with gender.

I’m mostly a finger player , often a thumb player , and sometimes use a pick. And can almost get a pick sound using nails , I can get that using the guitar-like thumb and finger picking approach , but there’s nothing quite like using a pick.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: ilan on September 30, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
I once met a guy who wore metal banjo fingerpicks upside-down (with the pick on the fleshy part of the finger, not the nail side) to get a pick sound when playing fingerstyle, which was more natural for him.

(https://www.deeringbanjos.com/cdn/shop/products/SNF-11-201-1312-3.jpg?v=1621616853&width=540)
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Pilgrim on September 30, 2023, 08:52:04 AM
I started on upright bass and never learned pick.  I've messed with it a bit, but never put in the work to be comfortable or quick with it; I'm much faster with fingers. At this point, I doubt I'll learn to use a pick.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on September 30, 2023, 10:04:57 AM
I once met a guy who wore metal banjo fingerpicks upside-down (with the pick on the fleshy part of the finger, not the nail side) to get a pick sound when playing fingerstyle, which was more natural for him.

(https://www.deeringbanjos.com/cdn/shop/products/SNF-11-201-1312-3.jpg?v=1621616853&width=540)

That's a pretty cool idea, but I wonder how bad the metal on metal is for the strings.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: patman on October 02, 2023, 12:59:05 AM
I used to use national metal picks. They make a bad clicking sound when you play, mostly on the higher notes.
Why I switched to plastic Dunlop picks.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2023, 04:54:22 AM
That's a pretty cool idea, but I wonder how bad the metal on metal is for the strings.

I'd wager the guess that your right hand (other people: left hand) will long have corroded, fret-indented and skin-gunked the strings through fretting before your left hand (other people: right hand) has worn the string through with your pick. And what about this guy I've never heard about? He's says he's been playing a sixpence coin as a pick for more than 40 years - with skimpy guitar strings scaramouching the fandango!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUedJpofbGE&t=56s
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on October 04, 2023, 07:00:11 AM
I'd wager the guess that your right hand (other people: left hand) will long have corroded, fret-indented and skin-gunked the strings through fretting before your left hand (other people: right hand) has worn the string through with your pick. And what about this guy I've never heard about? He's says he's been playing a sixpence coin as a pick for more than 40 years - with skimpy guitar strings scaramouching the fandango!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUedJpofbGE&t=56s

Very very frightening!
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: gearHed289 on October 04, 2023, 07:05:37 AM
I used a brass pick very briefly in the early 80s. I noticed it was scratching my shiny new Kramer's finish so I ditched it.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2023, 08:24:32 AM
Well Tom, what can I say? Haven't you heard the advice that once you meet resistance with the tip it's better to stop? Except in initial ignition scenarios of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6re3PCP3E
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: slinkp on October 04, 2023, 11:16:07 AM
Billy Gibbons is another one like Brian May ... he uses extremely light gauge 007 guitar strings, and is/was known for using a Mexican Peso coin (ground into a pick shape).
Although apparently he later switched to very heavy plastic picks that were made for him by V-Picks.

I can't relate to any of that at all!  I like thin picks and thick strings.  It's all about what feels right to the player.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Dave W on October 04, 2023, 03:56:29 PM
Very very frightening!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 04, 2023, 05:52:25 PM
Hey, when I started out, we still had post-war shortages in Britain and had to make do! No picks either, even strings were hard to get ...

(https://preview.redd.it/f408mrxt4k821.jpg?auto=webp&s=a42268382bd1685b59964fd40d27c9dc1694c29c)

This picture is further proof that very few people can look as earnest, committed & studious as Brian May doing something apparently very silly.  :mrgreen:

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o7aD8hMTm9wQJswPS/giphy.gif?cid=82a1493b3rr7c6ublqpz2rjmhv6c0sjy7cd7j3ebpkstye31&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on October 04, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-03/2/11/campaign_images/webdr15/boris-johnson-has-no-idea-how-to-play-a-guitar-2-28815-1425314127-23_dblbig.jpg?resize=1200:*)
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 05, 2023, 01:12:34 AM
Chief Bard of the Ministry of Silly Brexits? That was one costly tune.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: Ken on October 05, 2023, 06:08:39 AM
Whoever makes that capo should've used that for marketing purposes.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: gearHed289 on October 05, 2023, 07:30:25 AM
Well Tom, what can I say? Haven't you heard the advice that once you meet resistance with the tip it's better to stop? Except in initial ignition scenarios of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6re3PCP3E

Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 05, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Pleasure, it's my thrust to help you overcome life's many difficulties as you may encounter them.
Title: Re: Gibson Custom Shop Gene Simmons EB0
Post by: uwe on October 05, 2023, 02:53:50 PM
Whoever makes that capo should've used that for marketing purposes.

I think it's subconscious. In every righty is a lefty waiting to break free.