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Title: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: 66Atlas on September 09, 2015, 04:36:12 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ritchie-blackmore-explains-decision-to-play-rock-again-nostalgia-is-a-big-reason-to-do-it-but-not-the-only-reason/#1ApzcYlWAgqsvm3P.99

For four shows anyway...
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on September 09, 2015, 04:45:47 PM


 Perhaps our Gruppenleader will attend a show  :-*
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 66Atlas on September 09, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
I'm counting on him to post a detailed review and video. And possibly a couple non-related videos. ;D
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on September 09, 2015, 06:00:56 PM

 Perhaps our Gruppenleader will attend a show  :-*

You bet he will!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on September 09, 2015, 11:41:21 PM
It's a given, somewhat akin to green grass, sky blue, and Catholic Popes...

Fat chance of a gig in Inverness...!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Basvarken on September 10, 2015, 03:24:53 AM
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ritchie-blackmore-rock-concerts/
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 10, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
It must be because of the relentless support from this forum.

Blackmore? Schwarzmehr? Der Schwarzmehrwaffen?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 10, 2015, 03:35:29 AM
I believe it when I'm standing before the stage. I do think though that he is sincere with Blackmore's Night now being the musical love of his life - some of the material he does with his missus is so corny only a severe case of love blindness can be an explanation - Cher and Greg were credible in comparison (and Cher is way hotter than Candice too, so Herr Allman had mitigating circumstances). Last time I saw Ritchie do a rockshow was about 20 years ago, in Gothenburg. Having seen the man about a dozen times before, I could feel that he was restless again and that there was no future for Rainbow post-DP-reunion. Soon after - following a US tour to dwindling audiences - he set up Blackmore's Night who eschew arenas and stadiums consciously, not because their (European) audience is too small.

He should probably concentrate on Rainbow songs - whenever he did Purple songs without Jon Lord and Ian Paice it made me wince a little. I never liked Rainbow's versions of Mistreated (clumsy, no sex), Lazy (abysmal, too fast, no swing), Smoke on the Water (pointless) and Burn (unelegant). Blackmore was of course pivotal for Purple as a creative force and his guitar solos provided many of their highlights, but outside of DP he was never able to recreate the Purple groove (choosing a heavy-handed drummer like Cozy Powell after a swingmeister such as Ian Paice defies explanation to this day), no matter which of the countless Rainbow line ups you choose (the only exception is the Rainbow debut with the Elf musiscians who had a nice groove of their own). Rainbow always sounded a little stiff and leaden to me, teutonic even.

But, yeah ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EaflX0MWRo

And some of his solos will probably make me cream in my pants, I can't help it.  :-\ The longer I play bass the more I realize that his raptor-like soaring approach to lead guitar playing has left its mark on me even as a bassist (who never wanted to play guitar and still doesn't).
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 10, 2015, 03:46:22 AM
It must be because of the relentless support from this forum.

Blackmore? Schwarzmehr? Der Schwarzmehrwaffen?

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I also like Bill Nelson!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1HAo53224

And Ross Stagg (great name, great looks, great hair!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrHpK_1iXH4

Not to forget the Maels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dqCQ2MHfQ

But my love for those three (all of them considerably more poppy than anything DP ever did, underneath my hard rock hide lurks a pop douche bag  :gay: ) never elicits quite the same reactions here as the one for Blackers who always was and remains a divisive and unfashionable ole bugger!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 10, 2015, 05:01:11 AM
Videos blocked at work, but I'm guessing there is a Sparks video in that mix? I thought the Rickenbacker tone on the Kimono is top notch, and 90% of the music on there is excellent. They should have replaced 'Complaints' with the stronger 'Barbecutie' in my opinion, but otherwise it is a solid wee album.

*Shrugaroonies*
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 10, 2015, 07:36:05 AM
The early Sparks stuff (post-exile from California cause the Yanks couldn't do nothing with them while they were busy listening to Foghat  :mrgreen: ) is of course brilliant and the Ric sound blissful, but I posted something later, I like the Maels of all eras, even the disco Moroder stuff. But I think their absolute anthem is this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouy8JChTjVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw9R4uANeNY

That is Glam-Gershwin-Metal with great lyrics, who else plays stuff like this? They are an American treasure - albeit undiscovered by their countrymen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hSxdQHJ_s
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 10, 2015, 01:46:03 PM
I don't really know that end of Sparks. I really only know Kimono, and some of the album that came after that, at best.

Its all old boomer music anyway.  :bored:  :P

Ritchie Blackmore is steadfastly on my 'possible aspergers' list. This is me dragging all of this screaming into the 21st Century.

Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 10, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
Asperger is the intellectual insulation of the sane.

"I'd go crazy if I paid attention all the time."

Kris Kristofferson
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: wellREDman on September 10, 2015, 04:34:44 PM
Asperger is the intellectual insulation of the sane.
is that a quote or an observation?
it could be interesting to see what some of  my aspies make of that  line
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 11, 2015, 04:24:24 AM
More of a personal philosophy. I like my fellow man/men to be well-off and happy and they can do what they like, but by all means I do not want to be a part of them (as a collective) nor am I unduly bothered by the way they or do not do things (whether it's chrome hardware or golf clubs), the majority is no benchmark for me except for how I do not want to be. I'm a benevolent-towards-the-collective autist. My aim is not to be better than others, just different. I wallow in my insulated individuality. And my personal experience is that the collective is generally fine with my approach, they scratch their heads, shrug their soldiers and move on, all the best to them. Uwe was always odd and has chosen to remain so, he wishes the rest of the world a happy life but please don't call.

I developed that as a child, I experienced early on that you can remove yourself from the rat race in total by just ignoring it/blending it out - voilà, it's not even there anymore. I had no chance of competing in being normal (I was never good at anything other people tended to be good at) so I chose being singular - and without competition. I find being part of a majority generally disconcerting.

Reading this I'm probably a curious mix of Ayn Rand and Karl Marx!  :mrgreen: A walking-talking dialecticism.

Edith says: "You're nice with everyone only because basically you don't really give a damn what people think of you. You have your own bubble." And she is convinced that I'm semi-autistic and only let a few people into my kingdom whose openening hours are largely unclear to the public. Admission discretionary. :mrgreen:

I have the Doobies' What a Fool Believes running on my office stereo just now - I used to hate that song, but these days I marvel at the harmonies, I'm a weirdo alright!  8)
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 11, 2015, 04:47:32 AM
Broadly speaking you are unburdening yourself of something. Do you have AS, or are you using it as an allegory of sorts? I've sometimes wondered if I have it, but the AS community is somewhat hostile towards self diagnosed individuals, especially those that try and glamourise it in some capacity.

Speaking more broadly, I was interested in aircraft as a kid and I got back into it when I turned 25. There was a vast self-policing period from about the ages 12 to 21 where I tried hard to conform to certain groups, political ideas, music tastes etc. It has been quite fun to re-establish an interest in stuff I thought was deeply uncool, or that I figured I had moved beyond or was above. It makes political opinions a tad easier to formulate.

Interesting to see a mention of Ayn Rand. I've only ever met more than one 'follower' in the flesh, and only encountered one serious follower online. Oddly, both worked low-pay jobs as short order cooks. I'm not entirely convinced either of them could claim to be John Galt, at the end of the day. It seems almost that Ayn Rand's works gave them a more solid framework for their own inferiority complex. These guys use 'collectivist' as an insult but are constantly under the boot of some higher up authority and have jobs that stifle any form of creativity or individuality! At the same time they whine endlessly that the John Galts of this world are endlessly under compensated for their work. All very strange!

I've had another think about musicians with aspergers, and I'm thinking (in no particular order): Robert Fripp, Peter Gabriel, J Mascis, Neil Young, Billy Corgan, John Martyn, Blackmore and Jimmy Page.

All of these guys had a fairly robust, unflinching opinion of what their music should sound like, usually at the cost of any level of self awareness. Page, Fripp, Corgan, Mascis, Blackmore and Young definitely drove their bands with an unnerving clarity of vision that I tend to associate with AS.

I read Neil Young's autobiography. Up until that point I wouldn't have considered it a possibility. I thought the book would be full of hoary road-dog tales, but instead it is a rambling monologue about bio-fuel powered cars, model railways and vintage cars. At one point his partner is giving birth to his child, and he tells us more about the car he drives to the hospital in. He doesn't really take full responsibility for any time he f***ed up and ruined a relationship, friendship or band. When his friends went off the rails and ended up OD'ing, by his own admission he was the last to notice things going sour.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 11, 2015, 05:48:25 AM
Oh, Auntie Rand comes up periodically in this forum of fora (mostly in connection with a certain Cannuck prog rock trio, you just wait!) - I'm fascinated by her work in a macabre car-accident way. Mind you, this is an American forum, they tend to take people like her serious (Ayn, atheist she was, is like Creationism, a matter of belief not science), we have closet AND card-carrying libertarians here.  :mrgreen: From their viewpoint, I'm the lounge socialist.  ("At home, only our domestic servants voted conservative, we let them.")   :)

I've never given a thought whether my condition is clinical as I'm not bothered by it. That probably makes me a severe case. ;D Mental illness is a question of definition anyway. For the avoidance of doubt: I do not want to be making light of people who have a real condition and suffer for it.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 11, 2015, 06:27:46 AM
One does wonder if Ayn Rand could have got a book deal if she stuck with Alisa Rosenbaum, or ?????? ??????????? ??????????. 'Ayn Rand' sounds almost like onomatopoeia; B52s streaking over a desolate landscape as black smoke billows sluggishly in the distance. A harsh, slab-like name, not unlike the clunky architecture and politics of the day. A speed freak Russian that rolls into town one day, loudly denouncing communism for the benefit of a jittery, paranoid audience.

I don't have a problem with libertarianism, really. I prefer certain aspects of it to some of the values of right wing politicians in this country. To give but one example, the conservative government here were considering some sort of control or ban on e-cigarettes. A libertarian would probably say 'why should the state care one jot about my lungs?', whereas the knee-jerk reaction of the conservatives here is to misinterpret the issue, come down like a proverbial tonne of bricks, control and tightly regulate whilst all the while being whispered to seductively by oldschool tobacco lobbyists. I guess I can see the appeal of a sleek monolithic (pseudo)philosophy of objectivism. It gives selfish people a slightly more credible voice for rejecting Kantian ethics outright; To hell with these maggots and parasites, dragging me down! Ayn Rand didn't exactly follow her own philosophy though. Her philosophy also totally overlooks the idea that you might be more privileged than your neighbours, and that it might not be your astonishing work ethic (something lacking anyway in the two Randroids I mentioned before) that got you where you are. Ach wheel.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 11, 2015, 10:05:13 AM
The troubling thing with Objectivism is that it - thought all the way thru - cannot lead to anything else but a caste system because a society solely made of  "I"s/holy EGOs wielding their magnificent self-spawned talents to their utmost benefit and success without interference and hindrance from lesser creatures won't work, who is gonna empty the trashcans for them? And what argument can be derived from Ojectivism that the trashcan emptier should have the same rights as the Howard Roarks and John Galts of Ayn's fantasy world? Ayn doesn't even want the trashcan emptiers to get together and form a union to ask for a pay raise from Mr Roark and Mr Galt.

Objectivism is more a religion/cult than it is an applied political or sociological science. Its radical individualism has an appeal for youth, hence people read Lord of the Rings and Anthem/The Fountainhead/Atlas Shrugged side by side. :mrgreen:  And it's small wonder that the Rand ideology still has a semblance of public receptance in the US which has spawned an open climate for all kinds of religions and cults while she is a freak footnote in conservativism anywhere else in the world. 

Did anybody ever see those Atlas Shrugged Trilogy movies? The third and last one should have come out by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJNU41h5Cg

The trailer reminds me a bit of Flashdance for Objectivists.  :mrgreen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N011JCY5bL4
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 4stringer77 on September 11, 2015, 12:01:10 PM
I've only seen the Fountainhead. Gary Cooper was great but Patricia Neal's character was an elitist and kind of a bitch. I'm guessing Rand projected some of herself in to the role. Not sure I want to adopt objectivist philosophies from a person like that. Ideally, a conservative government should be a limited one. Hence on a topic like E- cigs they should resist regulation and taxation and there would be no need for a libertarian party. The problem lies in the corruption by lobbyists and moneyed interests as Alanko pointed out. The evolution of the economy and society by things like immigration and replacement of the worker by mechanical automations (robots) will further test the reconciliation of philosophies such as Objectivism, libertarianism or socialism with the realities of a technocratic oligarchy.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 11, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
I have that Gary Cooper DVD at home too, have to take the time to finally see it. Dominique Francon (Patricia Neal's role) was a bitch in Ayn Rand's book too, kind of like Scarlet O'Hara, she was neither a nice nor a particularly good person, but a spoiled rotten brat with firm principles. (Auntie Rand had some kudos to present her that way but then The Fountainhead and Gone with the Wind are not too far apart timewise, somewhat less than angelic heroines were becoming en vogue.) And Dominique (I bet you, the name was no coincidence) had a penchant for surrendering to strong men after futile physical and psychological resistance, but then all of Rand's heroines do that, slightly masochist streak running there, but, hey, it's a free country! 

(https://werecyclemovies.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/dvd-playerscreensnapz0011.jpg)


And the spanked shall inherit the earth.



(http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/2013/08/sun1031_gary1-e1377536531745.jpg%3Fw%3D660)

Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: wellREDman on September 11, 2015, 02:00:43 PM
I cant talk about Ayn rand because not a single thing I have heard about them ever has been positive, I probably should but Ive been through a period of pushing myself to read distasteful things to try and maintain objectivity, but you know what? lifes too short.

Autism I can speak to: Autism and Asperger's are different things, there's a yo-yo in the science between how their connected, and the  current consensus is that they are part of a "spectrum" but no sooner had the definitions for the latest psychiatry manual been set when new experiments based on blood tests showed them to be separate. I speak as someone who works with both, you definitely approach things in a very different way with an Asperger than an autistic. one of the defining characteristics of autistic kids is that they all present so differently, what soothes  for one is distressing for another, it is very difficult transfer lessons learnt from one to help you work with another in any meaningful way. when presented with an Aspie on the other hand, you kind of know where you are to start with, they are still individual but theres a broad type you can get your head around.
 its quite tricky as a practitioner to work under a scientific "consensus" that needs to be paid lip service to while knowing empirically that they are blatantly different
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on September 11, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
I have several Rand works in my library but I don't follow her views... Shrugged and Fountain Head  have the DVD too) are classic stories... Anthem is a harder read...

Not seen the film version yet ... no UK release yet... iirc...

Presently too knackered to do anything but glance...
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on September 11, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
I always smile when anyone mentions libertarianism in connection with Ayn Rand or objectivism. Ayn Rand hated libertarians. She despised libertarianism and trashed it repeatedly. There are a number of points in common, but Rand was so doctrinaire and authoritarian that she couldn't stand the idea of anyone exercising personal freedoms that disagreed with her rigid code.

Ever meet a hardcore Randist? They all believe exactly as she did, like the same music and arts, and regurgitate everything she said as if it were delivered from on high on stone tablets. If you ever want to really set one of them off, tell him or her that she was a great libertarian -- and prepare to get stern lecture.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 12, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
A cult leader alright then. I guess her divisiveness attracts me. Plus she was probably hot in bed since (i) not being that pretty she had to make an extra effort, (ii) all that emotion and intellectual discipline needed a place to vent, (iii) her books are smattered with sex scenes, people first abhor each other, then have a meeting of minds and, finally, screw. Objectivism alright.

That Atlas Shrugged Trilogy is supposed to be horrible, bad acting, TV movie visuals, a story in which a train is the symbol for modernisation (very Lenin by the way, some parts of Ayn's formal communist education just stuck with her) doesn't really translate credibly into current times (unless it were some steampunk alternative future) and it had an abysmal public, commercial and critical reception, parts II and III never even saw a European release after part I bombed so badly. Still, I'm likely to get the DVD/BluRay just for the curio aspect of it.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 12, 2015, 06:50:54 AM
I cant talk about Ayn rand because not a single thing I have heard about them ever has been positive, I probably should but Ive been through a period of pushing myself to read distasteful things to try and maintain objectivity, but you know what? lifes too short.

Autism I can speak to: Autism and Asperger's are different things, there's a yo-yo in the science between how their connected, and the  current consensus is that they are part of a "spectrum" but no sooner had the definitions for the latest psychiatry manual been set when new experiments based on blood tests showed them to be separate. I speak as someone who works with both, you definitely approach things in a very different way with an Asperger than an autistic. one of the defining characteristics of autistic kids is that they all present so differently, what soothes  for one is distressing for another, it is very difficult transfer lessons learnt from one to help you work with another in any meaningful way. when presented with an Aspie on the other hand, you kind of know where you are to start with, they are still individual but theres a broad type you can get your head around.
 its quite tricky as a practitioner to work under a scientific "consensus" that needs to be paid lip service to while knowing empirically that they are blatantly different

I have to ask because I'm curious: What is the dividing line/difference between autism and Asperger's? It's never been clear to me except that from one point in time onwards people started referring more to Asperger's Syndrome than to just plain autism.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on September 12, 2015, 11:01:16 AM
A cult leader alright then. I guess her divisiveness attracts me. Plus she was probably hot in bed since (i) not being that pretty she had to make an extra effort, (ii) all that emotion and intellectual discipline needed a place to vent, (iii) her books are smattered with sex scenes, people first abhor each other, then have a meeting of minds and, finally, screw. Objectivism alright.
...

Oh my, you must not know the story about her and Nathaniel Branden. He wrote to her with questions when he was a teenager and became her acolyte and then her heir apparent. She determined that they should become lovers because they shared objectivist values. Her husband had no say in the matter. When Branden broke things off, he became anathema to the movement. Mention his name to dedicated Randist and you'll really get an earful. He's their Emmanuel Goldstein.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on September 12, 2015, 12:02:10 PM
A cult leader alright then. I guess her divisiveness attracts me. Plus she was probably hot in bed since (i) not being that pretty she had to make an extra effort, (ii) all that emotion and intellectual discipline needed a place to vent, (iii) her books are smattered with sex scenes, people first abhor each other, then have a meeting of minds and, finally, screw. Objectivism alright.

That Atlas Shrugged Trilogy is supposed to be horrible, bad acting, TV movie visuals, a story in which a train is the symbol for modernisation (very Lenin by the way, some parts of Ayn's formal communist education just stuck with her) doesn't really translate credibly into current times (unless it were some steampunk alternative future) and it had an abysmal public, commercial and critical reception, parts II and III never even saw a European release after part I bombed so badly. Still, I'm likely to get the DVD/BluRay just for the curio aspect of it.


 Alison and I have seen two of the three movies, the acting is bad.........The railroad scenes are really bad, trains and tunnels should really just allude  to one thing.   

Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: wellREDman on September 12, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I have to ask because I'm curious: What is the dividing line/difference between autism and Asperger's? It's never been clear to me except that from one point in time onwards people started referring more to Asperger's Syndrome than to just plain autism.
on such thoughts are theses and doctorates written, give me a bit of time to get my head round trying to give a laymans breakdown, but I'll give it a go
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Nocturnal on September 13, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
I sat thru the first movie and watched maybe 20 min. of the second. Calling it bad acting is being kind. It reminded me of the trash that is produced for the Lifetime or Hallmark networks.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on September 14, 2015, 04:57:04 AM
I sat thru the first movie and watched maybe 20 min. of the second. Calling it bad acting is being kind. It reminded me of the trash that is produced for the Lifetime or Hallmark networks.

So they kept true to the books then?  :P
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 14, 2015, 09:42:50 AM
 :mrgreen:

Inspired by this beautiful thread that has finally tied the knots between Ritchie and Rand as well as Ayn and Autism/Asperger's, I did watch The Fountainhead on DVD over the weekend.

It's a proper movie alright, not some horrendous piece of crap. For a 1948 film, I found the visuals very early 30ies (bit Fritz Lang in there), the director had a silent movie background, that might be a reason, or the fact that WW II probably stunted movie esthetics development. The stone quarry scene (Dominique lays gaze on Howard drilling marble or granite for the first time, she returns with the riding crop after he has insolently stared at her), generally regarded as a cinematic highlight of the film, reminded me uncomfortably of Mauthausen (the notorious quarry concentration camp where death rates were especially high), but that was most likely not intentional.

The film is rushed in its delivery initially, characters being introduced at breakneck speed and only superficially. The pace then decreases even though some parts of the book are completely left out, for instance the title-giving fountainhead as a (later) part of a building that Howard begins but may not finish after a smear campaign of Toohey in The Banner. Howard's/Rand's objectivist manifesto (his courtroom speech after blowing up public housing in conflict with his artistic integrity) otoh has a full 15 minutes or so.

Gary Cooper (hand-picked by Frau Rand for the role) is just too old for the Howard character at the beginning, he's not a credible student dropping out (being fired) from architect school. Cooper has an aura, a most flexible actor he never was, he's here pretty much as he would later on be in High Noon. That said, as the older, more weathered Howard he's credible. Patricia Neal, an unknown quantity at the time, is cast well as Dominique, spoiled rotten, restless, afraid to love anything, yet yearning for submission, Lauren Bacall without the warmth and mystery. Raymond Massey as the cynical, yet "having the heart in the right place" publisher of The Banner is probably the character you can feel the most empathy with (though in Rand's plot he is ultimately a failure, probably because he cares too much for other people, e.g. Howard and Dominique). And Robert Douglas as Toohey delivers the cardboard arch-villain scheming-deceiving collectivist styled as from another age while everyone else looks pretty much like from the late 20ies. We are immediately spoon-fed that (i) collectivists are from the past and (ii) vile people.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ipJDP_B3iEE/hqdefault.jpg)

I don't believe that even in the 20ies or 30ies you would have been allowed to blow up a public housing area in NYC and walk free from a criminal trial because the jury feels with you that as a "maker/creator" that was your God-, ooops, Ayn-given right (Howard didn't, after all, like the balconies they put on his design, so what else could he do?    :mrgreen: ), but I was entertained. Howard's architecture implanted in the film (trying not so much to look realistic as avant garde-breathtaking) is nice too.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on September 14, 2015, 06:20:15 PM
Are we talking Plan 9 league of acting school...?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on September 14, 2015, 08:27:34 PM
I saw The Fountainhead many years ago. IIRC Rand did the screenplay which made me wonder why it turned out like it did. Impressive cast though.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 4stringer77 on September 15, 2015, 06:30:50 AM
Are we talking Plan 9 league of acting school...?
Almost... Patricia Neal was in "The Day the Earth Stood Still"
 Uwe, if you like Massey, H.G. Wells' "Things To Come" is worth a watch if you haven't caught it yet.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on September 15, 2015, 08:07:34 AM
Are we talking Plan 9 league of acting school...?

Not in The Fountainhead, if that's what you're talking about. Not at all. The characters were stiff, but that's the way they were in the book. Patricia Neal was an Oscar winning actress.

If you meant the recent Atlas Shrugged movies, I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: slinkp on September 15, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qro7oBzUBos
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 4stringer77 on September 15, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qro7oBzUBos
What a thespian!
Yes, Patricia Neal was great. The Day the Earth Stood Still absolutely lacks the Ed Wood campiness. Since someone posted a nun earlier, I thought I'd throw in this interview of a certain former actress. Interesting that Patricia had an affair with Gary which resulted in a terminated pregnancy. Must have been some real passion behind those Fountainhead scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvpmywFyoow
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on September 15, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
Dave... meant the new one ... first saw Fountainhead about 20 years ago or more...

Blame it on my Rush influence, not... read Shrugged before I owned my First Rush recording... gifted the book whilst at school in early teens...
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: wellREDman on September 18, 2015, 03:17:24 AM
Ok apologies for taking a while to get round to answering your question Uwe.

the short answer is that there is no clear dividing line between Aspergers and Autism. the newest  version of DSM (the psychiatrist's diagnosis manual ) states that Aspergers is no longer a separate condition , that it is now high functioning autism.

They both revolve around difficulties with making sense of the world, but with lower functioning autism that relates to sight sound and touch, whereas with Aspergers they struggle to understand more complex social constructs such as emotions or sarcasm

the problem is that Autism research is a fiendishly tricky thing, teasing apart skeins of different symptoms such as ADHD, OCD, PDA, Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, body dysmorphia and obsessional behavior (trains, people, numbers) and trying to understand whether they are symptoms of ASD or separate conditions that are co-morbid with ASD. All of these conditions occur within the neurotypical community although in ASD patients they are more common, more intense and more likely to cluster in the same individual.

Hence the current definition of ASD: Autistic Spectrum Disorder the idea that we are all autistic to some degree, with mild dyslexia, social awkwardness  or OCD at one end , Aspergers a quarter of the way down and fully locked in, non verbal, rocking,  twitching Autistic at the other end.

 So to answer your question in laymans terms, an Aspie (not derogatory that is how they describe themselves) is someone with ASD symptoms but enough verbal and comprehensive skills to often pass for neurotypical. in fact one of the problems with working with them is often their verbal skills so  high as  to give you a wrong impression about how much they are actually understanding their social milieu, and one of the theories about the male/female discrepancies in numbers is that female social aptitude means that many undiagnosed aspies are able to hide their difficulties

 A good way of getting your head around it is popular characters, Rain man was Autistic, Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory is Aspergers (so much so that I wince when I watch it, so much of the humor is based around laughing at his disability)

I will caveat that I have only been working with ASD for 4 years during which i have encountered probably a 100 kids with autism so I am by no means an expert.
 
My previous assertion that Aspergers is a separate condition is based on my observations that the term " typical Aspie behavior"is often used whereas one of the defining characteristics of regular autism is that there is no typical autistic behavior, in fact one of our headmistress' favorite quotes is " once you know one child with autism... you know one child with autism"

 Also, literally in the week after the draft DSM definition of ASD ,a study was published where a trial of a blood test for autism had a 70% accuracy, but when those with a previous Asperger's definition were removed from the figures the accuracy jumped to 97% implying that there is chemically something different going on

hope that helps
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 20, 2015, 08:13:48 AM
That's very interesting and helpful.

Also confirms what I (and people who know me well) know about me: obsessional behaviour, I guess as owner of close to 200 basses and some 4.000 CD's (about 1.000 of them DP-related, Airey, Blackmore, Bolin, Coverdale, Evans, Gillan, Glover, Hughes, Lord, Morse, Paice, Simper, Turner)  I can't talk myself out of that one, I've always collected even as a child.

But if inability to understand sarcasm is a sign of ASD, then I have been surrounded by Aspies all my life!!! The amount of people that either take as sarcasm when I'm serious or take a serious comment of mine as sarcasm/irony/cynicism has always been vast.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: nofi on September 20, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
if part of  ocd behavior means people constantly bragging about the things they own, then you are not alone here by a longshot. emotions and verbal meanings are difficult to convey online. we know you well enough to get a handle on what your intentions are most of the time. :o about your purple cds, i think you only need 5 or 6 to have all the good ones. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 20, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
I don't think that Aspies brag, they hoard and do not really want to share it with anyone.

The five or six vital DP albums? Easy:

Book of Taliesyn
Machine Head
Burn
Come Taste the Band
House of Blue Light (Slaves & Masters if you want to give JLT his credit, it's a very organic and well-written album)
Purpendicular (or Now What?!)

Listen to those six albums and you'll understand the Purple ingredients that never change:

guitar riffs, Hammond groove and swinging drums

plus

that based on these pillars they were a diverse band: 60ies prog, blues, heavy rock, funk, jazz influence and pop.

Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on September 25, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
This isn't quite as Eurovision as their usual singles ... The eyewear remains an acquired taste though, must be some type of running gag of Ritchie not conforming to expectations even in his self-chosen renaissance niche. He never wears shades (of Deep Purple or other) on stage with this band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64UXanfRL9A
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on September 26, 2015, 12:27:40 AM
When we first started living together and moved all our stuff into one place, Jackie noted that I had a "few" collections and gave up counting at 22... not sure if it's worse or better (he say's, lying thru his teeth, in full sarcasm mode...

Roshina summed me up with a the 11 words in a Jill Sobule throw-away number at one of her concerts...

"The ritalin kid, the ritalin kid; hey... look at that squirrel..." (fading away from the mike...)

We know plenty of stuff about mental health (what an oxymoron) in our family, on both sides going back over the years... must be something to do with the sheep...
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Basvarken on October 22, 2015, 04:00:48 AM
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Got your tickets yet Uwe?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on October 22, 2015, 05:19:53 AM
There must be some very scared white Fernandez Strat copies out there right now.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 22, 2015, 06:16:06 AM
Alan, you darn poison tongue!!!  :mrgreen:

I'll go to both gigs, yes. I am not worthy, but I will go and lick the anointed Fernandez Strat copy splinters from the holy ground sanctified by His Presence.

My honeymoon in Venice and Rome last week was somewhat overshadowed by the first hemorrhoid in my life - I always thought hemorrhoids were for other people. Now I know better. This news which der Holländer has so graciously shared with me (danke schön!) has a - how shall I put this ... - soothing effect.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 22, 2015, 07:35:59 AM


 Congratulations Uwe!

Alison and I were wondering when you were gettin' hitched. We wish you and Edith all the best!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: patman on October 22, 2015, 07:40:58 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 22, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
I admit hemorrhoid affliction and people congratulate me ... this place is way strange.  8)
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: lowend1 on October 22, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
I admit hemorrhoid affliction and people congratulate me ... this place is way strange.  8)

...and Mark didn't even ask "What took you so long?" ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 22, 2015, 09:22:03 AM
I admit hemorrhoid affliction and people congratulate me ... this place is way strange.  8)

 Hey now!
 I was being sincere......... That's the problem when one is the clown  :-*

Congratulations on both of your life changing events  :o
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Pilgrim on October 22, 2015, 01:10:29 PM

Congratulations on both of your life changing events  :o

That's more like it!

Congrats on at least one of your life changing events, Uwe!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: OldManC on October 22, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Congratulations, Uwe (on the nuptials AND the pending religious experiences)!

And sorry about the 'rhoids.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
Known as the Farmers over here ... Farmer Giles... piles... ;D

As for the newly weds... something old (the song) something new (transmission method)...  ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvuNb8DevE

Glückwünsche...!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Nocturnal on October 22, 2015, 05:07:42 PM
Congrats on the life changes Uwe!!!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on October 22, 2015, 07:44:56 PM
Congratulations to you and Edith!

Will we hear the pitter-patter of a little future bassist's feet in the future?  :vader:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 22, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
Congratulations to you and Edith!

Will we hear the pitter-patter of a little future bassist's feet in the future?  :vader:

 That new rhythm method works wonders!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 03:21:11 AM
Edith, who is 55 (yup, four months older than me, I dig cougars!), sincerely appreciates the misconceptions of this forum about her fertility and feels suitably flattered (whenever her hot flashes allow her, that is!). But our kids are in their early to mid-twenties!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 03:27:35 AM
...and Mark didn't even ask "What took you so long?" ;D ;D ;D

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

That's what my gay physiotherapist quipped too when I mentioned it to him (I mean you have to talk about something at these sessions!):

"Isn't that something only gays get?"

And I answered:

"Naw, it's just more debilitating with you guys."


Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Basvarken on October 23, 2015, 03:29:20 AM
Congrats. But, what took you so long to get married?
Sorry to hear the hemorrhoid spoiled part of the honeymoon fun.
But you'll survive...
(http://geizhals.at/p/996658.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Alanko on October 23, 2015, 05:48:53 AM
My honeymoon in Venice and Rome last week was somewhat overshadowed by the first hemorrhoid in my life...

Too much pasta?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: gearHed289 on October 23, 2015, 07:30:49 AM
I somehow thought you two had already made it legal, but congrats! Gotta respect any middle-aged man with a 200 piece bass guitar collection who manages to find a wife.  ;D
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Pilgrim on October 23, 2015, 08:13:32 AM
That new rhythm method works wonders!

Bass players know all about rhythm, jah?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 09:05:34 AM
"But, what took you so long to get married?"

Serious question, serious answer: While my first wife and I separated in 2007, we divorced only last year. Why? Because my instincts told me that it would benefit divorce proceedings if the negative emotions of the first years following the separation had died down. And it worked. There was no dispute about money or kids. My first wife even refused to take a lawyer (even though I implored with her to do just that), instead she just said: I trust you to be fair. And so - after seven years of separation - we had a noiseless divorce last summer and on that very same day flew together to Berlin as it was my son's birthday. That didn't come without a price though: Edith had in the intervening years given up hope "for it to ever happen" (and could be vocal about it!  ;) ), but I have proven her wrong in no uncertain terms!!!  :mrgreen:

Epilogue: And at the wedding party, both Edith's ex-huband (as regards all things Edith, we two always agree - she finds that somewhat disconcerting) and my ex-wife were there among the guests. Plus my ex-wife's new significant other who is - coincidentally - one of my two oldest and best friends. They are a great fit. (His son and my son now goad each other with: "Hi stepbrother!".) I sometimes smile to myself and think that I live a life straight out of a sitcom!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 09:11:13 AM
I somehow thought you two had already made it legal, but congrats! Gotta respect any middle-aged man with a 200 piece bass guitar collection who manages to find a wife.  ;D

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 23, 2015, 09:52:51 AM
"But, what took you so long to get married?"

Serious question, serious answer: While my first wife and I separated in 2007, we divorced only last year. Why? Because my instincts told me that it would benefit divorce proceedings if the negative emotions of the first years following the separation had died down. And it worked. There was no dispute about money or kids. My first wife even refused to take a lawyer (even though I implored with her to do just that), instead she just said: I trust you to be fair. And so - after seven years of separation - we had a noiseless divorce last summer and on that very same day flew together to Berlin as it was my son's birthday. That didn't come without a price though: Edith had in the intervening years given up hope "for it to ever happen" (and could be vocal about it!  ;) ), but I have proven her wrong in no uncertain terms!!!  :mrgreen:

Epilogue: And at the wedding party, both Edith's ex-huband (as regards all things Edith, we two always agree - she finds that somewhat disconcerting) and my ex-wife were there among the guests. Plus my ex-wife's new significant other who is - coincidentally - one of my two oldest and best friends. They are a great fit. (His son and my son now goad each other with: "Hi stepbrother!".) I sometimes smile to myself and think that I live a life straight out of a sitcom!  :mrgreen:


  As long as nobody is marrying their sister this is all good.........


Remember to exercise that hemmoroid afflicted area, certain devices properly lubricated are highly recommended  :o

Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 10:23:24 AM
Ah, that cooling effect ...
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 12:00:04 PM
Known as the Farmers over here ... Farmer Giles... piles... ;D

As for the newly weds... something old (the song) something new (transmission method)...  ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvuNb8DevE

Glückwünsche...!

If I tell Edith "I wanna go tandem with you", she'll only suspect the worst!!!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 4stringer77 on October 23, 2015, 12:19:34 PM
Congrats on the new marriage Uwe! Any idea about who else will be on stage for the Rainbow shows?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Pilgrim on October 23, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
If I tell Edith "I wanna go tandem with you", she'll only suspect the worst!!!

Considering your marital history and the interweaving cast of characters therein, she might suspect something truly unusual!
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 12:41:54 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2015, 12:57:55 PM
Congrats on the new marriage Uwe! Any idea about who else will be on stage for the Rainbow shows?

Nothing yet. Blackers is being his opaque best. He has stated though that the singer is "yet" unknown, but "will probably become famous" based on these gigs, "he is that good", being supposedly "a cross between Ronnie James Dio and Freddie Mercury". So now we all know.  :mrgreen:

For all his flaws, Ritchie has always had a hand for picking good people from obscurity and giving them a career once he had dumped them again. With the possible exception of Cozy Powell and Roger Glover (both not exactly superstars known outside the heavy rock world in the 70ies), the carousel of newly-picked Rainbow musicians never included anybody even remotely famous. Make up your mind whether that shows how Blackmore wants to always retain ultimate control or has a penchant for fresh talent. Interestingly enough, no one who has played with Rainbow (the whole dozen or so!) has ever had an axe to grind with the Stratmeister. With the distance of a few years, they were all grateful. Bain, Carey, Stone, Dio, Daisley, Bonnet, Airey, Rondinelli, Rosenthal, Burgi, Turner and White especially have always said that he set them off on a career. The orignal Elf members (other than Dio) are the exception because they (rightfully so) feel that he hijacked their band, poached their singer and then dumped everyone else. But the original Rainbow line-up was a studio affair only, Blackmore had no intention to tour with them. Whether he told them that is another matter though.

Blackmore also favored unknown Ian Gillan over better known Rod Stewart (back then on the way to fame with Jeff Beck Group) when it came to replacing Rod Evans in original Deep Purple and was instrumental for the band getting in David "unknown boutique saleman from Redcar" Coverdale as replacement for Gillan when Mk II folded.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: 4stringer77 on October 23, 2015, 01:55:01 PM
Rod Stewart was almost in Deep Purple? That's as weird as Les Claypool almost being in Metallica. I can't imagine Rod belting out Child in Time but then again I'm sure nobody thought Rod and Bob Dylan would both be covering Sinatra so many years later. I like what Bob has done with the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxy_hy22CA
Enjoy the Rainbow shows and let us know whether the ensuing DVD will be worth buying.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: TBird1958 on October 23, 2015, 02:47:17 PM
Ah, that cooling effect ...

 Just remember, good rectal health is no accident  ;)
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Highlander on October 23, 2015, 03:52:19 PM
If I tell Edith "I wanna go tandem with you", she'll only suspect the worst!!!

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: Dave W on October 23, 2015, 04:21:48 PM
If I tell Edith "I wanna go tandem with you", she'll only suspect the worst!!!

Tell her that love means exploring all openings.  ;)
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 26, 2015, 07:07:39 AM
Rod Stewart was almost in Deep Purple? That's as weird as Les Claypool almost being in Metallica. I can't imagine Rod belting out Child in Time ...

They didn't think he was good enough after seeing him live (no joke!). The Jeff Beck Group was - along with Cream and early Led Zep - a pivotal influence on a lot of British bands. There might have also been a connection with Jon Lord as he was in a band/project with Ronnie Wood prior to Deep Purple (Santa Barbara Machine Head) and even prior to that had played with Ronnie's brother Art in the unsurprisingly named Artwoods. Anyway, The Faces and DP would stay friendly. DP broke America as the opening act of the Faces on their numerous tours, and DP never complained about their treatment and were full of praise for the backstage parties the Faces threw. Their only criticisam was, according to Ian Paice, that "the Faces were sometimes too knackered to play properly and that worked to our advantage as we would only party after our gigs", but that was of course part of the Faces' charm.

I doubt that Rod Stewart would have even seriously considered joining DP - coming from the Jeff Beck Group his work experience with guitar heroes had been such that he probably did not feel that it really warranted repetition. Instead he thought that the Jeff Beck Group bass blayer should play lead guitar in his new group.  ;) Plus, and this is where your Child in Time argument comes in, Purple wanted someone with a Robert Plant type range to follow their original singer Rod Evans who was essentially a baritone. While the young Rod Stewart still had a great range, he wasn't into screaming above the music in the vein of Plant, Gillan, Byron or Ozzy.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 26, 2015, 08:15:09 AM
Tell her that love means exploring all openings.  ;)

The allegedly rampant popularity of derriere sex among women is largely a male misconception I believe. 8) It's one of those things the two genders rarely agree on and can be a real romantic spoiler.  ;D
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on October 28, 2015, 03:38:46 AM
Meanwhile, in another part the world ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7_BHeZL6KQ

First gig of the new tour, revamped set, even one new, as yet unrecorded song ... not bad for the ole warhorses! Hearing them now as opposed to the 70ies in full flight, they have essentially become a Prog band thanks to Morse's and Airey's songwriting plus Gillan's steadfast refusal "to sing what other singers might have sung here". That was actually what made Blackmore and him fall out in 1972/73 and ended DP Mk 3. Blackmore flipped when Gillan came up with the following lead vocal melody over one of Blackmore's riffs, he wanted something more conventional/accessible (great Strat solo though!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5H6uKtpNwY
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News?
Post by: uwe on November 09, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Vamos, Ricardo Negromoro haffa chosen heez singa!!! Let me introdooza to you: Ronnie Romero!

(https://fbcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xal1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/12096194_733299433470775_7923155008765090780_n.jpg?oh=14d7fe2dd889b9d3780f8dc955816520&oe=56C048C9&__gda__=1455795898_2e76b7a0ec6b56d484a875ec859601c1)

http://www.thehighwaystar.com/news/2015/11/07/blackmore-names-his-band/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbcYqyvW30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJZYvHRVKE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBjVvLoRoY

The future is Hispanic, eat your heart out, Donaldo***. And it de veras can sing.


***To trump any arguments about me sneaking in a hidden political comment, I meant the Donald with the bad hair:

(http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/alternative_general/don_airey/airey_29572.jpg)

Don Airey, ex-Rainbow and current Deep Purple organist. What other Donald could possibly make sense in a thread devoted to Ritchie Blackmore?!  
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Basvarken on November 09, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
He has moments where he sounds like that other Ronnie.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on November 09, 2015, 04:31:53 PM
And a young Coverdale all rolled into one. I'm sure his nick-name "Ronnie" is no coincidence, he's probably a Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 08, 2015, 09:57:42 AM
Always heart-warming when young people play the songs of their elders, in this case little Scott Holiday of Rival Sons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpwcB0H5G5U

That European tour with Purple should have helped Rival Sons' career in leaps and bounds, they had a really good sound courtesy of Purple, went down extremely well with the Purple crowd (not too modern, eh?) and the tour was largely sold out. Not that they don't deserve it, I knew their last album, but found them even more impressive on stage.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: gearHed289 on December 12, 2015, 09:59:39 AM
Ol' Blackers sounding darn good here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gHc4GE0NE
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 14, 2015, 08:05:47 AM
An NME scribe once wrote. "Blackmore is never gonna be another Hendrix, he is not into that sort of frenzied inspiration: What he has built his reputation on is a clever mix of dynamics and drama."

And my son, himself someone who prefers Jimmy Page and Slash as guitarists, once observed: "Blackmore's solo playing doesn't have any sex or dirt in it, which is why it does little for me, but his solos are sophisticated and clever to the point of cunning. He thinks different to other guitarists."

Both comments kind of sum Blackmore's one-of-a-kind solo style up. I would add that I know of no other hard rock guitarist with the same fluid all-over-the-fretboard dexterity and the ability to play uncommon scales, yet never sounding like he is rehearsing them. He just plays unusual melodies and notes in a style of his own. Plus he has a real knack of leaving space and being rhythmically accurate without sounding rigid. He is in control of what he is playing in a soaring way. Miles Davis comes to mind (if only as regards the approach to solos), and I'm not joking either.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: TBird1958 on December 14, 2015, 11:41:35 AM
An NME scribe once wrote. "Blackmore is never gonna be another Hendrix, he is not into that sort of frenzied inspiration: What he has built his reputation on is a clever mix of dynamics and drama."

And my son, himself someone who prefers Jimmy Page and Slash as guitarists, once observed: "Blackmore's solo playing doesn't have any sex or dirt in it, which is why it does little for me, but his solos are sophisticated and clever to the point of cunning. He thinks different to other guitarists."

Both comments kind of sum Blackmore's one-of-a-kind solo style up. I would add that I know of no other hard rock guitarist with the same fluid all-over-the-fretboard dexterity and the ability to play uncommon scales, yet never sounding like he is rehearsing them. He just plays unusual melodies and notes in a style of his own. Plus he has a real knack of leaving space and being rhythmically accurate without sounding rigid. He is in control of what he is playing in a soaring way. Miles Davis comes to mind (if only as regards the approach to solos), and I'm not joking either.


   
An NME scribe once wrote. "Blackmore is never gonna be another Hendrix, he is not into that sort of frenzied inspiration: What he has built his reputation on is a clever mix of dynamics and drama."

And my son, himself someone who prefers Jimmy Page and Slash as guitarists, once observed: "Blackmore's solo playing doesn't have any sex or dirt in it, which is why it does little for me, but his solos are sophisticated and clever to the point of cunning. He thinks different to other guitarists."

Both comments kind of sum Blackmore's one-of-a-kind solo style up. I would add that I know of no other hard rock guitarist with the same fluid all-over-the-fretboard dexterity and the ability to play uncommon scales, yet never sounding like he is rehearsing them. He just plays unusual melodies and notes in a style of his own. Plus he has a real knack of leaving space and being rhythmically accurate without sounding rigid. He is in control of what he is playing in a soaring way. Miles Davis comes to mind (if only as regards the approach to solos), and I'm not joking either.


 Not that I disagree about Ritchie, but yeah, Michael Schenker with UFO really didn't sound like any other guitarist to me.
 
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 15, 2015, 10:17:16 AM
I can confirm that, Schenker is one of a kind too. I saw UFO just yesterday - opening for Priest in Stuttgart - and while Mogg's pipes are still fine (and the Way-replacement Rob de Luca plays of course a TBird), Vinnie Moore's Mike Varney/Shrapnel/Guitar Institute of Technology-acrobatices ruined every song, the guy is unable to even remotely emulate Schenker's lyrical melodicism and his rhythm playing has none of Schenker's musicality either. I really wanted to like that new line-up but Moore played throughout in a way as if he wanted to prove that people who dislike guitar solos have very good reason to. He can't take you on a journey in his solos and all his tricks and licks sound wanton. I know that any UFO guitarist has a chip on his shoulder because of the Schenker legacy, but compared to Vinnie Moore even Paul '"Tonka" Chapman and "Atomic" Tommy McClendon were inspired, consummate and tasteful musicians.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: TBird1958 on December 15, 2015, 10:45:25 AM


 The first time I heard "Rock Bottom" I knew he was great - I think he's got a wonderful style as a soloist (he actually uses the whole fretboard like Blackmore) *and* he's a stellar rhythm player as well, which counts for even more in my bookie.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: gearHed289 on December 16, 2015, 07:46:51 AM
Vinnie Moore's Mike Varney/Shrapnel/Guitar Institute of Technology-acrobatices ruined every song, the guy is unable to even remotely emulate Schenker's lyrical melodicism and his rhythm playing has none of Schenker's musicality either.

That's too bad. I hadn't really heard him with UFO (or anywhere else really). This past Sunday I saw a great DVD of MSG circa 1981. Pretty great stuff! Lot's of UFO material, and a great band with UFO's Paul Raymond on keys and rhythm, and Cozy Powell on drums.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: OldManC on December 17, 2015, 08:13:00 AM
Congratulations, Uwe.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 17, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
What have I done wrong now? You already congratulated earlier in this thread to my rectal afflictions and/or marital changes!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: TBird1958 on December 17, 2015, 09:15:26 AM


 If it feels good, do it!  :-*
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: OldManC on December 18, 2015, 10:22:45 AM
What have I done wrong now? You already congratulated earlier in this thread to my rectal afflictions and/or marital changes!  :mrgreen:

Ha ha! My first thought when I heard the RRHOF news was not, "Wonderful! Will Richie need new hose," But, "Awesome! I'll bet this will make Uwe's year!"
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Dave W on December 18, 2015, 01:14:54 PM
Uwe's acting as if he hasn't heard the RRHOF news.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: lowend1 on December 18, 2015, 10:15:59 PM
I certainly thought he would have commented when he realized that only the current incarnation was being honored...
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 21, 2015, 10:00:00 AM
Are you insinuating DP have finally made it there? I don't believe it. And how uncool. 8)


Oh my, "Big Ian" (Gillan) is already being difficult about it:

"Dear Friends, Families and Fans,
 
Putting the past shenanigans to one side, the induction is not – in clear fact – for Deep Purple.
 
It is an arbitrary selection of past members, which excludes Steve Morse and Don Airey; both of whom have been with the living breathing DP for a very long time.
 
Obviously this is very silly, and so my response is quite simple: ‘Thank you very much’.
 
And….what a coincidence…This morning I got an invitation to a wedding from some dear old friends. Unfortunately my family was not invited and they said that I would be required to sit next to my ex (we divorced decades ago) at the wedding feast.
 
They were shocked when I called to thank them and decline the invitation.
 
Cheers,

Ian Gillan"


And "Little Ian" (Paice) is as usual diplomatic and hedging his bets.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/deep-purples-ian-paice-on-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-at-last-20151217


With not all members inducted, it's gonna be a can of worms. Kiss all over.

George, thanks for your congratulations, I just had no idea! I only learned now, I'm still digesting.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 21, 2015, 12:27:15 PM
Better late than never, this is what I posted at The Highway Star:


Oh my – into the fire … A can of worms. So they have basically inducted the three line ups that featured the Lord-Paice-Blackmore triumvirate, i.e. Mk I-III, and I can see the logic in that. Mk 1 was the foundation (I don’t think there would have ever been a Machine Head if “Hush” had died a death in the US charts in 1968), Mk II were the creators of a certain sound and Mk III administered MK II’s legacy and crowned it with the California Jam event. I’m happy that Nic Simper gets some credit – I’m sure it means a lot to him – and Rod Evans (if he was around), Jon has to watch from somewhere else.

My preference would have been to have later (Bolin and Turner) and current members nominated too (Morse and Airey). I’m a fan, there is no Deep Purple line up that I dislike (yup, I even think that Slaves & Masters is a worthy effort and the second Hammersmith night I saw with JLT was a good gig).

But, let’s face it, Purple are getting inducted for their past of In Rock, Machine Head and Made in Japan and possibly Burn and Perfect Strangers, not for Come Taste the Band (one of my all-time favorite Purple albums, but hardly known outside of Purple-ite circles) or Purpendicular and Now What?! (two albums I love as well, but unlike the Mk II output not riding high on the contemporary waves of public delight – back in the 70ies, almost any record-buying home would have an Mk II album somewhere). For the record: If it wasn’t for Morse and Airey, current Purple wouldn’t have any new music to play and I really like what they do for the band. [Though Airey meanwhile has a dominance live with DP that makes them sound a bit like ELP with a guest guitarist in places! ; – ) ]
 
Big Ian’s comments are of (still) emotional nature and, by the way, if you divorced your wife several decades ago, you should be able to sit beside her today. My wife and I are both into our second marriage and had our ex-spouses at our wedding party (and they both honored us with their presence).
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: patman on December 21, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Finally bought a copy of Fireball to celebrate....
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on December 21, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
That album - Gillan's favorite - has grown on me over the decades. It used to be my least favorite of the Mk II 70ies era (not too many immediate scorcher riffs on it), but nowadays I appreciate its experimental, even psychedelic character. In Rock was more no-holds-barred, Machine Head more accessible and polished and Who Do We Think We Are more sophisticated/refined with a pop/Beatles slant in the melodies, but Fireball was just off-the-wall in a good way. 
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Post by: patman on December 21, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Growing up we used to listen to it through an old (read ancient) Fender deluxe amp...it was my high school group of friends favorite Deep Purple album...

Fireball

"Meddle" by Pink Floyd

the first "Soft Machine" album...

over and over and over...

Of course "Machine Head" was cool for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: lowend1 on December 21, 2015, 07:48:03 PM
One would be hard pressed to find any DP album (MKII on) that wasn't good. Yeah, even House Of Blue Light, which gets no love in some quarters. Personal fave? In Rock, because it made such a definitive statement.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: OldManC on December 22, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
Better late than never, this is what I posted at The Highway Star:
...

I think you captured it perfectly in your post, Uwe. It's too bad that the organization which oversees this bestowal of "honors" does so in such a ham-handed manner almost every year.
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Post by: uwe on December 22, 2015, 05:06:08 AM
One would be hard pressed to find any DP album (MKII on) that wasn't good. Yeah, even House Of Blue Light, which gets no love in some quarters. Personal fave? In Rock, because it made such a definitive statement.

I really like House of Blue Light! It's brimming with good ideas though the execution was a bit stiff in places (Perfect Strangers was a more safe and conservative album). The Purple guys disown it today because internal band communication had already gone pear-shaped by then again with Blackmore and Gillan being at their usual loggerheads, it was an unhappy album for them. So was Who Do We Think We Are, but I thought that had great melodic songwriting. Unhappy albums aren't always bad ones.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Pilgrim on December 22, 2015, 08:37:01 AM
Machine Head is probably the only DP album I have. I like it...has my favorite DP cuts on it.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: lowend1 on December 22, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
Machine Head is probably the only DP album I have. I like it...has my favorite DP cuts on it.

You've almost certainly short-changed yourself.
I think that with Deep Purple (more so than most other bands), there is a great wealth of deep cuts on all of their albums. You miss any of them, and you're probably missing at least 2 or 3 great songs on each. I first discovered "Black Night" on an import (in the US) compilation called "Powerhouse" as a live track. The change in styles with each incarnation of the band alone is reason enough to become a completist. Playing In Rock and Stormbringer back to back will have you cocking your head at an angle like a dog, saying "What just happened here?". 
Purple music aside, another absolute essential is the original cast album of Jesus Christ Superstar, where Ian Gillan turns in a vocal performance for the ages.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: 66Atlas on February 23, 2016, 11:19:52 AM
Well, apparently Mr Turner is none-to-happy about this announcement.  Maybe they'll find a way to make up before the shows.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/joe-lynn-turner-blasts-ritchie-blackmore-rainbow-comeback-the-fans-deserve-better-than-a-cover-band/#kmcKwSwgFmh4XvCu.99



 
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on February 23, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
Alas!, that's so pure Joe. His opened mouth is best when it's singing, not talking.

It's all sour grapes and hurt vanity: The new Chilean singer got the job in the same way as Joe was invited to Rainbow back in 1980/1: As an unknown from an unsuccesful previous band background, solely on the strength of his singing, not on what he had done before or where he came from. It's how Blackmore nearly always picked his musicians. In that regard, the new "Rainbow"-line up is wholly consistent with previous ones. Cozy Powell and Roger Glover were the only "name" muscians that Blackmore ever invited to join Rainbow. Powell got the job on the basis of his good looks and his energetic drumming (plus that Blackmore was a Jeff Beck Group nut), Glover because Blackmore knew and rated him from Purple days (where Roger had been hired as an unknown who came piggyback with Ian Gillan). It was actually Graham Bonnet who put it to Blackmore that they should complete the line up with Roger Glover as the bassist who up to this point had only produced and played bass (in the absence of a bass-playing band member) on the "Down to Earth"-sessions.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Dave W on February 23, 2016, 08:34:08 PM
Let me get this straight --  a guy who doesn't own the band and who wasn't an original member tries to work out his own return with Blackmore's manager and thinks that entitles him to a position? And he's shocked that he's turned down?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on February 24, 2016, 06:01:53 AM
Dave, he's a wop from New Joisie, does that explain things?  :mrgreen:

To give ole Joe credit:

- He's a fine singer in his somewhat less than idiosyncratic AOR mode. Unfortunately, Lou Gramm was there before him.

- He was a member of the third major Rainbow line up that lasted with him from 1980 to 1984 (longer than all the others), which in Rainbow-terms is decades. He did what he was asked to do for Blackmore, i.e. AORize Rainbow for the US market as the now so hallowed Dio line up of Rainbow had gone nowhere in the US (Blackmore was losing money with the venture), Blackmore had become tired being the opener for bands like REO Speedwagon, he wanted airplay, a not just all-male fanbase and no more dungeons and dragons.

Your disdain for stadium rock accepted, even you have probably heard those two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gcc3hDC4kI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VZgBQ-gTI

That's Joe on both tracks and he was pivotal for that line up's particular music, co-writing most of it. He also had a spell with Deep Purple as their lead vocalist in the early 90ies, a period most DP-fans like to forget about, but that is unfair IMHO, Mk 5 didn't do bad music at all, it was just very Americanized:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1RSuGdedX8

Blackmore and Turner never fell out (though I have a hunch that Blackmore doesn't take him quite seriously, he once said he was "much like Glenn Hughes"), but Turner tends to be an over-eager puppy and talks too much.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Dave W on February 24, 2016, 09:16:50 PM
No, I hadn't heard either of those Rainbow tracks. I wasn't implying any lack of talent on his part, he's just clueless if he doesn't understand how ridiculous his complaint sounds.
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Post by: uwe on March 04, 2016, 08:02:02 AM
Uhum, "new music" (in Nofi speak: "pile of horse shite-only Uwe loves it-tired, outdated Euro hard rock schtick that just refuses to die") from Ritchie's new other Ronnie ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXB3GuyUtXo


Who sure has the style of the old Ronnie down pat. But not a bad singer. People always underestimate how much it takes to project a credible, dominant voice in a heavy rock/power metal setting, but this Ronnie doesen't seem to have too much an issue with it.

If that is already the influence of his new boss that he has to have castle maidens run around in this vid?  ;D
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Post by: Basvarken on June 19, 2016, 01:46:57 AM
So Uwe, tell us how were they?

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Post by: Basvarken on June 20, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: Highlander on June 20, 2016, 03:10:02 PM
Have I missed something significant...?
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Basvarken on June 21, 2016, 08:44:36 AM
The YouTubes that I saw showed an uninspired Blackmore.
Plus a singer with a good voice, but zero stage presence.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Dave W on June 21, 2016, 02:26:21 PM
Have I missed something significant...?

Only Blackmore with Rainbow in Germany. Nothing Uwe would be interested in.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Highlander on June 23, 2016, 12:45:11 AM
Ah...

I note he's AWOL again...

Could you imaging work commitments forcing him abroad when he has/had tickets for it... :vader:
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Dave W on June 23, 2016, 07:16:35 AM
He's busy. I did let him know about Bill.
Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: uwe on June 23, 2016, 03:06:13 PM
I am. But I shall return!!!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bc/a0/e1/bca0e12ed54717a782ed464f92de506f.jpg)

You wanna know how it was? Here is what I posted at The Highway Star:

1. uwe hornung says:
“He did well for someone of his age, who doesn’t play this music anymore & hasn’t for 2 decades or more!”

Agreed, but is that our new standard for Blackmore gigs?

“It was a nice evening at Bietigheim, but Ritchie was not on fire.”

Indeed.

First some statistics: I’ve seen the pre-DP-reunion Rainbow five times (including the legendary 1977 Munich gig with an incarceration-motivated Ritchie), the Doogie-led one twice, Blackmore’s Night more often than I would dream of revealing here (I still faithfully go, but never make it to the first row for lack of sartorial elegance) and DP (lamentably only from the reunion onwards) several dozens of times. I consider myself a DP family fan and appreciate all three banjo-players: Ritchie, Tommy and Steve, everyone of them can do something or other especially well (and better than the other two).

I saw both German Monster of Rock gigs. Loreley just scraped away from being a disaster, Stuttgart was ok to – in all benevolence – goodish in places.

Let’s devote some time to the band:

– The Mohawk Kid was the strongest instrumentalist on stage and seemed genuinely into it. I don’t know what the size of his kit should have to do with his abilities, so let’ not go there. He provided what the music needed, neither over- nor underplaying.

– Sir John of Normandy: Always the best Blackmore’s Night bass player, he – I hate to write this as a busy bass player myself – consistently overplayed and, at Loreley especially, had this honkish, midrange-dominant sound that had him sounding like John Gustafson of the Ian Gillan Band. Now don’t get me wrong: I love the IGB and especially John Gustafson’s playing and sound IN THAT SETTING, but Rainbow needs a meat and potatoes approach on bass and a similar bass sound. In the old days, Ritchie wouldn’t have allowed Bob to get anywhere near a Rainbow line up, he simply doesn’t have the force of Bain (punkish), Daisley (technically exquisite) or Roger (relaxed, but a pumpin’). The mixer had a heart in Stuttgart and darkened and de-midded his sound considerably there, but the man from the D-Day beaches still overplayed (plus a lovely bum note during Stargazer which took him a couple of seconds to realize, but that was cute, shit happens).

– Riff Raff on keyboards: A disaster, he made even a real stiffer like David Stone sound like Fats Domino. Poor ole Jens knows so little what to do with Rainbow’s music, he sounded awkward (and as grooving as an IKEA shelf mis-built without a manual) throughout, his keyboard solos a nadir of not knowing what to do and switching around sounds aimlessly. You could also tell he was unhappy at both gigs. He couldn’t even deliver Child in Time with authority. By far the worst keyboarder I have ever seen on stage together with Blackers, he couldn’t even play the short intro to Perfect Strangers without sounding lost and angular.

– The other Ronnie: He can sing very well (if not with a lot of dynamics, it’s pretty much full frontal onslaught all the way). Sort of a very young (pre-Rainbow even) Dio with a Bonnet-type turbo charger in his voice. Heeze command of zee Eengleesh langwitch whezzer eet eeze lyrics or stage raps left desgraciadamente much to be desired, no?! Well, at least we now know that Bob plays “bus”, I was wondering about that sound already! Young Ronnie’s enthusiasm is addictive, but he could not really (yet) fill a stage as a frontman, neither Dio’s natural authority nor Bonnet’s happy-go-lucky outrageousness. Senor Romero came across like a top candidate of “Britain’s Got Talent”, which in a way I guess he is. He reminded me of Ripper Owens really who had too big shoes to fill too though he was technically a very athletic and pitch-perfect singer.

Did we forget someone? The lead guitarist, yes … Ritchie was on both evenings: “hardly any diamonds, but a lot of rust”. It has nothing to do with speed, I like it when he plays slow, but he seemed listless for much of the time. That said, he perked up for the second night without reaching heights of inspiration. Sorry, I’ve seen him do that too often – even within a few minutes of picking up a Strat with the outfit of his Missus – to say anything more about those two Monster gigs. Loreley suffered especially from him taking on songs too slow – this from the man who in the late 70ies and 80ies would play too many Rainbow and DP songs much too fast bordering on the hectic – Highway Star was slower than the studio version, MOTSM, LLRnR, Black Night and SOTW plodded as well.

Standout moments? Child in Time (with nice sing along parts from the audience), Catch the Rainbow and Stargazer.

Oh, by the way the PA mix at Loreley was terrible (it had been fine with TL – who sounded like Nickelback covering Lynott, heavy-handed, but committed as they were – and MMEB, who were perfectly in synch as a band and whose keyboarder could play more fluid with one finger than Mr Johansson could with 10) and improved only slowly. Mix in Stuttgart was good, but could not mask keyboard inabilities. Candice and her backing vocals sidekick from BN were largely inaudible at both gigs.

All you who dislike the current DP line up: The two Monster gigs amply showed that that mighty DP sound, rumbling, but always rolling and grooving cannot be easily replicated. Not even by Herr Blackmore (but then the old Rainbow line-ups could never swing as well).

Now before some of you accuse me of “What kind of a fan are you?!”, I’ll reply: “A tough and stern one, just like Ritchie used to be!”. ; – p

I’ll be seeing Blackmore’s Night again next month. And I would have gone to both Monster gigs even had I known of the lacklustre performances beforehand. Try to match that for loyalty. ; – )


2. uwe hornung says:
Those guys had more than half a year to get ready for gigs they knew would be very important. Even with Blackmore’s finger out of action, the other four – you can rehearse without a lead guitarist you know or they could have gotten someone in to dep for Ritchie’s parts in rehearsals, Yngwie isn’t all that busy these days : – ) and Jens surely has his phone number – should have been shit-tight (like MMEB and even Thin Lizzy with two new guys were) from rehearsals, they weren’t. That is especially true of Johannsen – I think being used to more complicated music he totally underestimated the demands of the job and was visibly disconcerted for it too.

Rehearsals are a matter of discipline, I have never ever seen a rusty Judas Priest for instance, even at first gigs of a tour after a lengthy hibernation.

And the truth is: Ritchie doesn’t have the practice and endurance anymore for an evening full of lengthy inspiring solos.


3. uwe hornung says:
“It occured to me that the more bluesy and groovy Purple songs just don’t fit very well with the grandeur and majesty of most Rainbow songs.”

Rainbow (all incarnations except the first studio line-up, the Elf guys had a nice American groove) and “groove” are from different planets!!!

Gillan (the band) didn’t groove either, it was all punkish energy. Early Whitesnake grooved (later versions didn’t) and I can tell you two reasons for it: Little Ian & Jon.


4. Uwe Hornung says:
Let’s put it this way: If Jens had set his sights to become for Rainbow 2016 in the keyboard department what Axl Rose became to that former Rainbow opening act from Australia in 2016 in the vocal department, then he failed abysmally. And an excellent keyboard player is key (pun by coincidence) in a DP type line up band. Jon Lord, Don Airey, Tony Carey and Colin Towns all were. And the Stones and Rosenthals of this world were at least decent, Mickey Lee Soule a great piano (but not really organ) player. You don’t even have to be a great technician as long as you have some soul and grit in your playing, think of Ken Hensley who never put himself in an Emerson, Wakeman & Lord league, but he could certainly rock the keys.

I don’t doubt that Jens can play, but he seemed to be frozen both nights. Sometimes instrumentally very good people just don’t work out for certain kinds of music – Colin Hodkinson’s failure to gel with Whitesnake comes to mind. Did someone mention Steve Vai?! ; – )


Title: Re: Breaking Deep Purple News? Chile in Time!!!
Post by: Basvarken on June 24, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
Okay. That pretty much sums up what the YouTube vids already revealed indeed.