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Gear Discussion Forums => Bass Amps & Effects => Topic started by: TBird1958 on December 19, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
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Hey All,
I'm thinking about a second slightly smaller rig for some of our shows where my 750 watts and 8x10 GK rig is a bit much. I still want a separate head/speaker set up and plenty of umph to compete with our loud drummer and the fact that I may not go out a PA. Another real concern is power, or rather often the lack of it - many times at shows I've had to scramble to find a 20amp circuit to power up the GK ( it really wants that much!) without causing a local brownout. And.............and while I really like my GK I want to have something different.
So I've been looking at what Marshall currently offers, specifically the MB450 head and an MBC410 which will give me 300 watts and a single cab, I like the thought of only moving one cab tho I'll likely make a dolly for it as they don't come with wheels.
Anybody here use one of these? or have an opinion pro and con?
I would also seriously consider an older Marshall head/cab like what Scott GOT59 is using but my efforts at research to this end are a bit frustrating due to my own lack of knowledge and again any thoughts from owners or former users are encouraged.
Vielen Danke,
Ze Fraulein ;)
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I use an old Marshall JMP Superbass head with it's 4x12 Greenback driver cab, i love it. when you crank it up you get a nice tube overdrive, it's not for people who loves sparkling clear and defined sound. It's pretty loud too, the drummer can't cover you. Before i used the JMC Superbass with the 400w 4x12 cab, very good too, a bit clearer and very LOUD! I've never played GK so i can't do a comparison, but i don't think they have much to share soundwise. You may want to consider the actual VBA amplification from Marshall, should be very nice and powerfull.
tschüß
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Mark one of my favorite rigs was a Late 79's JMP 100w Bass with a early 70's Marshall baffled 2x12 and a Hiwatt 2x15. Be warned the sound will be dirty and edgy compared to the GK which funnily enough I sold my 100w Marshall in '82 to get a GK 800RB because I was taking so much crap from sound men for my dirty tone, lack of line out miking cabs etc. Not that the GK wasn't a very capable piece of gear but I sold it inside of three months and went out and bought my Marshall Major. If you go the vintage head route just make sure you have a good DI ( like Radial Bones) Carry your own mike for your cab (if you don't you get lame-O excuses like I don't have any mikes left from the sound man) You can have a Marshall modded to have a direct line out, my Hiwatt DR201 has been modded like this and I have to say it works fantastic all that overdriven sound pumped right to the mains ! As for vintage cabs I love the look and the sound but I replace all original drives, a 30-40 year old bass driver just can't carry the load imho. I go through a number of drivers in a year so I load my cabs with Eminence and they work great, I also Like Peavey Black Widows. Celestions for bass to me sound AWEFULL and need to be replaced asap !. I think The Tbird /Marshall combination will rock! I say go for it !
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I have been curious about the new bass head and cabs that I've seen from Marshall. I'd like to hear some thoughts on that as well. The pricing isn't bad imo. I think the head Mark is reffering to is a SS with tube preamp?
Here is a link:
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-MAR-MB450H-LIST
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That might be worth a try, lot cheaper than the vintage route ! I'd be interested in checking one out !
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I have one of the 30 watt MB combos for plonking around in the living room. The "modern" channel tries to do the super clean sparkly tone, but comes up just a little short I think. The vintage channel is glorious, I frequently wish I could get that sound out of my big boy rig.
I've considered getting the MB 450 to do that. Mark, if you or anyone else gets one, I would love to hear an honest review of the beast.
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I was thinking that an MB450 and the matching 4x10cab would be a nice combo for about 1k. The vintage route sounds like big $$$ but I'm not ruling it out, the prices on those heads on ebay is sobering tho...........
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Mark, The prices on the 100w Bass heads these days will certainly make you pause. They are a one trick pony, If you like that Geezer Butler and Roger Glover grind you will be in heaven. Also with a Tbird they ape JAE very well. You do need a bit of stage volume to get tone out of them though, but you said you have to keep up with a hard hitting drummer so maybe it will work for you. I like the look of the new Marshall MB450, they have all the modern amenities like a line out, that will make your life so much easier. down the road I just might pick one up. If you get one I will be anxious for a report !
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Music 123 has a opened one for $439........................ wow :o 450w for $439 sounds like a deal ! I like the channel blend to.
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Yeah that's a good price on one, I *think* you 300 get watts when using one cab, 450 when you have 2 - I *think*.
The reviews I've read on M.F. by owners are pretty good on the amp, the only downside I've noted on the cab is that it's heavy (that's ok) and has no wheels - plus it's made from MDF and attaching castors directly isn't a good idea, so I'd have to build a dolly for it.
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I wondered about the cabs, to bad they are not birch ply :sad: You got the wattage thing right. Plenty powerfull.
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My rather messy 1968 50w "smallbox" (to be found in the amp section, somewhere) is frighteningly loud through a 120w Marshall cab (probably nowhere near you GK, though)...
I was told at the "Plexi" that if I spent a couple of hundred USD she'd be potentially worth upwards of 3K... cost me about £150, with a damaged Shergold bass, back in '82.
Never gigged with her as she is noisey and I've never got round to refurbing...
Your sound is pretty bright so modern Marshall's may suit, but like everything, you need to find the right "mix" of cab and amp...
I haven't played through anything really loud in over 25 years, so...
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What about Avatar? The 4 - 10 is rated at 1000W, has neo speakers, made out of 13 ply baltic birch ply, weighs in at 65 lbs and is just under $500 shipped. The 2 -12 is a little cheaper and weighs 55 lbs.
What about Markbass? They sound pretty good and they're light! The Littlemark II is rated at 450 watss into 4 ohms and weighs about 7 lbs.
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What about Markbass? They sound pretty good and they're light! The Littlemark II is rated at 450 watss into 4 ohms and weighs about 7 lbs.
...and may or may not continue to function after its warranty expires with 450 very 'quiet' watts.
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I realize a lot of folks jumped on the Markbass bandwagon, not I. Talk about being underwhelmed.
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I realize a lot of folks jumped on the Markbass bandwagon, not I. Talk about being underwhelmed.
I've not tried the Markbass series, but the Genz-Benz shuttles blew me out of my socks.
And in about 36 hours, I'll be able to use my new Genz-Benz gear!
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The Shuttles are horses of a different feather entirely. Good amps.
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...and may or may not continue to function after its warranty expires with 450 very 'quiet' watts.
I hadn't heard of high failure rates with Markbass?? Certainly would make bright doorstop or paperweight. What else would you recomend in the light/class D type amps?
Any track record on the new Marshall stuff?
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I hadn't heard of high failure rates with Markbass??
They spend alot of money, both online and in print, so that you don't. If their QC was half what their PR is, they'd be the best amps in the world. Their failure rates are not spectacularly high, but they ARE higher than they are touted and higher than should be acceptable. Another dirty little secret about ALL the new switching amps is that they are disposable. Big problems can be repaired, but at near or more than the cost of a new one. They also have about half or less the lifespan of a normal s/s amp under optimal conditions; I don't like that.
Certainly would make bright doorstop or paperweight. What else would you recomend in the light/class D type amps?
...the aforementioned Genz Benz Shuttles.
Any track record on the new Marshall stuff?
...none that I'm aware of.
Bass players just don't buy new Marshalls.