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Title: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Dave W on October 10, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
What a bargain!

https://www.julienslive.com/lot-details/index/catalog/500/lot/219560/ERIC-CLAPTON-CREAM-STAGE-PLAYED-1964-FOOL-GIBSON-SG-ELECTRIC-GUITAR?url=%2Fauctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F500
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on October 10, 2023, 10:26:13 AM
And what would it cost me to get rid of the paint job?

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Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: BTL on October 10, 2023, 01:42:49 PM
Collectors gonna' collect.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on October 10, 2023, 02:54:21 PM
For finish? A sin if there ever was one.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: ilan on October 13, 2023, 04:48:30 AM
Always loved the artwork on this guitar. I'm still thinking of one day having a similar design painted on my '73 white Ric.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on October 13, 2023, 05:32:55 AM
I once read that it never really dried right, but remained soft, sticky and gooey plus ruined the sound (Dave: Discuss!), any truth to that? It should have dried out by now.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: BTL on October 13, 2023, 05:40:12 AM
For finish? A sin if there ever was one.

:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: morrow on October 13, 2023, 07:23:08 AM
I once read that it never really dried right, but remained soft, sticky and gooey plus ruined the sound (Dave: Discuss!), any truth to that? It should have dried out by now.

I think that was Bruce’s painted Bass VI that was gooey.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on October 13, 2023, 09:34:21 AM
My bad!
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: slinkp on October 13, 2023, 11:02:32 AM
In the description on that auction page, Rundgren who had it restored says that it wasn't properly sealed and paint was flaking off and the neck wood deteriorating. He doesn't mention the paint being gooey though.

Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Dave W on October 13, 2023, 11:11:49 AM
I think that was Bruce’s painted Bass VI that was gooey.

You are correct, sir.

He said he never liked the feel of it after it was painted.

I blame the Dutch.   ;)
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Basvarken on October 13, 2023, 11:25:51 AM
I have a nice Fool story.

About 30 years ago I celebrated my birthday with friends. And we had the good habit to give each other useless presents. Such as ugly crockery and drinking glasses. But also horrible vinyl records from artists you were absolutely sure the birthday boy/girl would really hate. And as a bonus; the uglier/sillier the artwork, the better of course.

So on one of those birthday parties I got a stack of horrible vinyl records wrapped in nice packing paper.
- Alle Dertien Goed
- Gert & Hermien
- Het beste van Henk Wijngaard

And a very silly looking record by "The Fool"
Infantile artwork in blistering colours.
The music was even worse. Bad songwriting on hippy flutes and out of tune guitars.

We had a good laugh over that.  :mrgreen:

The next day you'd throw them away along with all the ugly crockery, drinking glasses, cigarette butts, balloons and garlands.
And so I threw away that hilariously bad elpee by that horrible band The Fool.
I had no idea who they were. And I had never heard of their Art Collective and artwork for Cream.

Until I found out a couple of years later that this vinyl record was a highly sought after collector's item.  :mrgreen:


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By the way: Simon Posthuma's son Douwe Bob is a successful musician in The Netherlands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZugH_-RIb4


Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Dave W on October 13, 2023, 08:41:39 PM
I had no idea that they were also a band.

Oh well, I'd guess a lot of us have sold something that later became valuable.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Dave W on November 17, 2023, 11:23:00 AM
Sold for $1.27 million (https://www.guitarworld.com/news/eric-clapton-the-fool-gibson-sg-auction-sale)  :o
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 17, 2023, 02:29:12 PM
Probably Joe Bonamassa. 
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Dave W on November 17, 2023, 03:23:46 PM
No, it was bought by James Irsay, owner of the (NFL) Indianapolis Colts.

From the article:

Highlights of his collection – for which he was offered over $1 billion – include Jimi Hendrix’s ‘65 Fender Jazzmaster, David Gilmour’s Black Strat and Kurt Cobain’s Smells Like Teen Spirit Mustang. Irsay’s own personal highlight from the collection, though, is Bob Dylan’s Newport Folk Festival sunburst Fender Strat – the same model that was once found in an attic – which he called “one of the most important instruments in rock ‘n’ roll history”.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 19, 2023, 10:11:26 AM
Well, in that case that SG is now exactly where it belongs, namely in a collection of 20th century cultural artifacts. In essence, a bunch of rock'n'roll Stradivaris. A good home. You don't really want guitars like that to be continued to be played until they need a refin, a refret or new pups - they need to be preserved in the state they were used to write rock history.

I agree with his assessment of the Dylan Strat btw. Dylan was no Chuck Berry or Jimi Hendrix in a musical sense, but he brought the power of social commentary into rock music.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: lowend1 on November 20, 2023, 01:55:26 PM
Well, in that case that SG is now exactly where it belongs, namely in a collection of 20th century cultural artifacts. In essence, a bunch of rock'n'roll Stradivaris. A good home. You don't really want guitars like that to be continued to be played until they need a refin, a refret or new pups - they need to be preserved in the state they were used to write rock history.

I agree with his assessment of the Dylan Strat btw. Dylan was no Chuck Berry or Jimi Hendrix in a musical sense, but he brought the power of social commentary into rock music.

The Fool SG has already been repaired extensively during Rundgren's ownership - retouching, clear-coating, replacement of portions of the neck, headstock and some electronics - so it's not exactly pristine. Somebody actually built him a replica, which he said played and sounded better than the original.

Dylan's Strat is is of great importance primarily because he used it onstage at Newport, which was his first-ever performance on electric guitar. That set was seen as a turning point in popular music - where acoustic folk and electric rock were inexorably linked. Dylan's hard-core fans were horrified by his embrace of the electric.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: westen44 on November 20, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
I'm just not relating at all to the fanaticism of acoustic guitar fans.  Somehow by accident, I once landed on a forum in which there was a flame war between electric and acoustic fans.  Normally, I'm not on any guitar forum at all.  But I was briefly on that one.  That was the most intense warfare on a forum except for one other forum I was once on.  I've heard about how horrified Dylan's hardcore fans were when he switched to electric at Newport and I believe it. 
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 20, 2023, 02:12:58 PM
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Chris P. on November 21, 2023, 09:01:25 AM
Marijke Koger still paints guitars.

https://www.facebook.com/marijke.kogerdunham
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 21, 2023, 11:01:27 AM
I wasn't even aware of her, how embarrassing, she's an indelible part of pop culture!

https://marijkekogerart.com/marijkeKoger/psychedelicGuitarArt.php

Alles Gute kommt aus Holland.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: lowend1 on November 21, 2023, 11:17:42 AM
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.

Oh dear, this sounds like a prompt for a "oddest cover songs" thread...
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Chris P. on November 21, 2023, 02:51:53 PM
I wasn't even aware of her, how embarrassing, she's an indelible part of pop culture!

https://marijkekogerart.com/marijkeKoger/psychedelicGuitarArt.php

She is. But don't feel bad, you are concentrating at fallschirmjäger while I try to concentrate on Dutch popart.
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 21, 2023, 03:54:46 PM
 :mrgreen:

All great art kommt aus Holland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7WVNxNnWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXezPSfATy8
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: westen44 on November 21, 2023, 10:51:49 PM
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.

All I can say is that although it can have many merits, sometimes I can't handle folk music, either.  I never wanted to boycott it, though, or help start a riot against it. 
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: uwe on November 22, 2023, 06:48:03 AM
Fate had it that even at an advanced age I saw myself confronted with an avalanche of folk music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSk0sdG1RXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1aB4Be--Jc
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: westen44 on November 22, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
But there is a big difference between traditional American folk music and neo-medieval folk rock.  In general, I'm not very enthusiastic about the former.  I had mentioned in another post about Nordic Roots music.  Sometimes this can seem like a blend of medieval folk and rock.  It can be odd and maybe even a little unsettling, but a band like Hoven Droven which I've also mentioned can get my attention.  You just don't hear stuff like this at your local venue with a cover band.   At least I don't.  If i were in Sweden, I might be able to speak about it with a little more authority.


https://youtu.be/HXuNdjxRdh8
Title: Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
Post by: Highlander on November 22, 2023, 04:17:39 PM
Marijke Koger still paints guitars.
https://www.facebook.com/marijke.kogerdunham

Peter Cook is a FB friend of hers...
I've not been following/replicating her style of fins...  :mrgreen:

And if you're throwing in some Joan Baez... lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9-HI_VjwE&ab_channel=JudasPriestVEVO