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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011, 10:54:57 AM »
looks like an  longscale eb3.  doesn't help the sound that much
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2011, 01:21:03 PM »
looks like an  longscale eb3.  doesn't help the sound that much

What is wrong with the sound of an EB-3?

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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 09:13:54 AM »
you have to put this thing in context. outdoor venue, thirty five year old audio/video technology etc. i think it sounds fine for what it is.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 09:20:39 AM »
  I love the sound! It doesn't sound like a P which is about what everyone played back then. It  shows those long scale EB3s are perfectly usable. It's fun watching these clips I had almost forgotten about these guys, they made there own little place in Rock and Roll history, I'd trade places in a second.......................barring any typical hazards of the job.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 06:03:26 AM »
one more time.



btw that's tommy aldridge on drums.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 07:19:42 AM »
Black Oak haven't progressed rock music (or even Southern Rock), but I find their absolute no-holds-barred, unashamed "butchness" endearing. From another planet (outside of the PC universe), but cute. I don't think they took themselves too seriously, nor did - judging from the bemused look of most of the California Jam crowd (which on this day were there to see "serious hard and soft rock acts" such as Seals & Crofts, The Eagles, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and ELP, though the latter never played thanks to DP sabotaging their appearance) - most of their audience. I have a recent double CD anthology of their work and I doubt whether any CD collection needs more of their work to be representative, in fact one CD should probably do it.

Young David Lee Roth must have studied Jim Dandy quite intently.

And Tommy Aldridge has drummed worse, a lot more bloated music in later years.

And hearing an EB-3L that clearly is nice. Goes to show how long scale, a maple neck and a pup moved away from the neck can do your being heard as a bassist a whole lot of good.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 02:39:43 PM »
that eb3l must have been quite new then.
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2011, 05:19:22 AM »
The California Jam was in 1974, EB-3Ls had been around since 1969 already, the maple neck, neck pup farther back ones since 1972. In fact, with the introduction of the Ripper and Grabber as Gibson's new mainstay model, EB-3Ls were a dying breed by then - the ugly relative in the cellar with zero promotion though still in albeit limited production.

I have to disagree re the sound: Comsidering that this was 1974, a huge open-air (largest one in the world until then) and Black Oak basically the opening act of the whole thing, the sound is nothing short of excellent. And the EB-3L - not Gibson's greatest bass by a stretch - plainly audible with a full sound of its own. No complaints there.

The whole California Jam went like clockwork which astounded even the musicians playing there. ABC, which were filming the whole thing, made sure that organisation was perfect. Deep Purple had the choice to be top of the bill with ELP playing before them, but decided to reverse things believing that the festival would inevitably run late so that they would not be playing at the then scheduled time (still in daylight), but at dark bringing their light show to full effect, wheras being the last band to play might risk a very short set due to the curfew. But as a matter of fact the festival ran so smoothly it ran half an hour early and DP were asked to commence their set in broad daylight. Blackmore refused to leave his trailer though until the sun set and ABC directors as well as ELP managment were frothing at the mouth ("You will never play the US again!") and threatening damages and, in the end, saying that DP would not be allowed to play at all then. DP road manager Ossy Hoppe then made an impromptu stage announcement to the audience: "Do you want to hear Deep Purple?" to thunderous approval (Dave Westheimer's solitary no was unceremoniously drowned out) and it was clear that taking DP off the bill at that point would have been asking for a riot. Finally, Blackmore left his trailer, hating all things ABC (hence the camera smashing when an ABC camera man got too close to him during Space Trucking) and Deep Purple came, saw and conquered. Their largest gig ever and the one that put the Mk 3 line-up and their new Burn album squarely and fairly on the map of endless US tours.

ELP never got to play due to  the curfew of the festival and the considerable damage Blackmore's staged Marshall backline explosion had done. Their management threatened to sue, but it was all settled quietly when they found a cheque in the mail from the DP management. As did the ABC camera man who according to lore retired from his job after that particular show (I doubt that, in the vid he doesn't act scared, but follows Blackmore after the first few hits, maybe he became a theater of war reporter later on!  :mrgreen: ). Who knows, maybe he was even part of the ploy and that part was staged too, Blackmore had a penchant for the severest of practical jokes, but always tried to make sure no one got hurt.

Of course we need scientific evidence for all this: Watch Blackmore ruining not one, but three Strats in a row, smashing an ABC camera with the second one and cueing in the Marshall explosion at 3.15 which proved to be a bit hefty, blowing Blackmore almost off the stage and lightly burning both Paice and Hughes in the process.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2011, 05:39:42 AM »
 Wow! If I was 15 I would have been impressed by this. Richie can be such a wanker.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2011, 07:03:31 AM »
Haha, I must have been about 13 years old or so when I first saw this and I was sort of impressed AND I thought he was an idiot.

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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 07:08:37 AM »
 I remember some televised bits of CJ on late night TV. I do remember the cameraman's view as Richie smashed his strat over the camera.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 07:39:07 AM »
i remember the 'exploding' amps. i thought it silly that a band like dp would pull a cornball stunt like that.
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Re: This one's for kenny
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 07:51:28 AM »
I never even heard of the event.

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2011, 08:20:47 AM »
I never even heard of the event.

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2011, 09:00:08 AM »
I never even heard of the event.

That, dearest Dave, is too bad as the event featured a motley assortment of bands you despise or idiosyncratically damn with indifference!  :mrgreen:



Admittedly, you haven't pulled the rug from underneath Earth, Wind & Fire here yet! You could always say something like "Emerson, Wind & who?", or "I never listened to either Black Radio or Black Sabbath in the seventies", alternatively "Weren't they known for Celeeeebraaaate Good Times, Come On! before Lionel Ritchie left them?".  :rimshot: :rimshot: :rimshot: Which would have made them Earth, Commodores & the Gang!  :mrgreen:

"The California Jam (1974) set a record for the largest number of paid attendance at such an event. Although more
people attended the festival at Woodstock in New York, only a few had purchased tickets. Another record
established at California Jam was for the largest (most powerful) concert sound system ever assembled. Tycobrahe
Sound Company combined the touring systems of Black Oak Arkansas, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Earth Wind and
Fire, and Rare Earth (each manufactured by Tycobrahe), plus 16-ft bass horns from Phoenix Sound and several folded
bass horns from Flag Systems.
Total power was 54,000 watts RMS, provided by a number of BFA-2000 amplifiers,
manufactured by Tycobrahe. Emerson, Lake and Palmer's touring sound system was set up about 1/2 mile from the
stage and timed with a tape delay to coincide with the sound from the stage.
Acts that performed at the festival in
order of appearance: Rare Earth, Earth, Wind & Fire, Eagles, Seals and Crofts, Black Oak Arkansas, Black Sabbath,
Deep Purple and Emerson, Lake & Palmer."



Wonder if those 16 foot bass horns are still obtainable?  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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