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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: ilan on June 24, 2023, 12:29:26 AM

Title: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: ilan on June 24, 2023, 12:29:26 AM: https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Electric-Bass/MOD-RAM021532/Snow-Cone-Sparkle

Not my taste but YMMV

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Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Dave W on June 24, 2023, 04:25:55 AM: No. Just no.

I wonder what the cosmetic defect is. Some horror covered up by the sparkles?
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Grog on June 24, 2023, 06:32:29 AM: Invisible knobs??? Now i have not seen everything……….
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: slinkp on June 24, 2023, 12:18:57 PM: I think it's fun, but I would only want something like that for myself if it were an Epiphone at Epiphone prices.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 24, 2023, 01:50:35 PM: It looks like something from the Gibson Goddess series, when 15 years ago they made lighter guitars with slimmer necks in more feminine fins for women. I didn't think it a bad idea at the time, but it failed.

The SG Bass probably has a sizable share of women playing it, given how light it is and how small its body plus the short scale neck of course. It certainly looks better on a diminutive player than a P Bass.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: ilan on June 26, 2023, 03:43:55 AM: Not their best job.

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Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Dave W on June 26, 2023, 07:21:29 AM: Seems like nothing in the Mod Shop is their best job.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: slinkp on June 26, 2023, 08:44:57 AM: What's with binding on the edge of the frets?
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 26, 2023, 09:11:18 AM: Quote from: Dave W on June 26, 2023, 07:21:29 AM
Seems like nothing in the Mod Shop is their best job.

I've always appreciated Dave's more supportive side. Not one to pull the rug from underneath you at all: "You just keep doing what you do, over time you won't get any better judging from what I see now, but people will get used to it more."
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 26, 2023, 09:16:19 AM: Quote from: ilan on June 26, 2023, 03:43:55 AM
Not their best job.

(https://images.ctfassets.net/m8onsx4mm13s/6X3cxALSzNYSpATo80pQyf/e876c2c14e0c2bae4cdd24ef69fce1a7/RAM021532-7.jpg)

Perhaps from a children's birthday party, yes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDAAartyClA

Buy one now, get a sparkly unicorn for free, collect them all!

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Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: TBird1958 on June 26, 2023, 10:40:29 AM: I really don't like it!

There, I said it.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Dave W on June 26, 2023, 11:10:35 AM: Quote from: uwe on June 26, 2023, 09:11:18 AM
I've always appreciated Dave's more supportive side. Not one to pull the rug from underneath you at all: "You just keep doing what you do, over time you won't get any better judging from what I see now, but people will get used to it more."

Gibson Mod™ Collection products may have minor cosmetic defects which are listed in the Warranty Evaluation for each product. These defects are AS-IS and are not covered under the Gibson Mod™ Collection's Limited Warranty.

It's not a bug, it's a feature. :)

Quote from: slinkp on June 26, 2023, 08:44:57 AM
What's with binding on the edge of the frets?

You've never noticed Gibson Fret Nibs before?

https://modernguitartech.com/blog/2020/7/6/gibson-fret-nibs

They disappeared for a few years in the late Henry years, around 2014, but that didn't last long.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: ilan on June 27, 2023, 03:45:05 AM: Quote from: Dave W on June 26, 2023, 11:10:35 AM
You've never noticed Gibson Fret Nibs before?

Fenders had them too. I don't know what they were good for but at least their absence is the dead giveaway of a refret.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Basvarken on June 27, 2023, 04:21:52 AM: I can imagine the main goal was to avoid sharp fret ends.
Metal has a different coefficient of expansion than wood.
Under extreme moisture or temperature changes frets can expand a bit, causing the so-called fret sprout. By locking them up with a binding you solve this problem.

Having said that; when the fret shrinks there may arise a gap between fret and binding. Causing problems with the high E (on a six string guitar) that can gut stuck in the gap.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Dave W on June 27, 2023, 07:10:22 AM: As I understand it, it's strictly a time saving method, i.e. lower cost.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Basvarken on June 27, 2023, 07:25:58 AM: I have my doubts about that Dave.

You have to route a profile on the sides of the neck to put the binding in.
Put the frets in and cut them exactly to the right width.
Then glue the binding in. Then route or file away the excess between the frets.

That's more labour intensive than hammer the fret in > cut off the over hanging bits > file them flush to the neck.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Dave W on June 27, 2023, 08:22:51 AM: Quote from: Basvarken on June 27, 2023, 07:25:58 AM
I have my doubts about that Dave.

You have to route a profile on the sides of the neck to put the binding in.
Put the frets in and cut them exactly to the right width.
Then glue the binding in. Then route or file away the excess between the frets.

That's more labour intensive than hammer the fret in > cut off the over hanging bits > file them flush to the neck.

Rob, you're the luthier, so I defer to your knowledge and experience.

All I know is what I've read over the years. Here, for example.
https://hazeguitars.com/blog/the-great-big-gibson-fret-nib-debate
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Basvarken on June 27, 2023, 09:04:12 AM: Oh yeah, I forgot that I built a guitar once with fret nibs too.
So the method is different.

First fret
Then cut and file flush
Next glue binding to the sides
Then file away excess between frets.

Still more work than without fret nibs:

First glue binding to the sides
Then fret
Next cut and file flush.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: ilan on June 27, 2023, 09:45:24 AM: For some reason it has always looked more classy to me. Like each fret has its own edge binding. Rics have them too.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 27, 2023, 02:17:19 PM: Plastic replaces wood - a bad trade.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Basvarken on June 27, 2023, 02:43:59 PM: That's why I used wooden bindings on this guitar ;-)

(https://www.brooksbassguitars.com/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/lp-sc-headstock-2-1500_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 27, 2023, 08:26:39 PM: Oh, you do lesser instruments such as guitars too then ...

I have to digest that first.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: Basvarken on June 28, 2023, 12:33:43 AM: Nur für Untermusiker :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on June 28, 2023, 03:35:26 AM: (https://media.tenor.com/1ND-AGMRRC4AAAAC/hans-landa.gif)
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: godofthunder on June 30, 2023, 03:06:36 PM: Putting the ugh in lee.
Title: Re: Mod Collection SG Bass Snow Cone Sparkle
Post by: uwe on July 03, 2023, 10:35:47 AM: Leughe? :o